Hansard: NA: Unrevised hansard
House: National Assembly
Date of Meeting: 14 Jun 2022
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Watch: Plenary
PROCEEDINGS OF NATIONAL ASSEMBLY CHAMBER
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The House met at 10:00.
The House Chairperson Mr C T Frolick took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayers and meditation.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon members, in the interest of safety, in the Chamber, please keep your masks on and stay in your designated area.
DECISION OF QUESTION ON CONSIDERATION OF RECOMMENDATION OF A PERSON TO FILL A VACANCY ON ELECTORAL COMMISSION
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon members, I wish to remind you that on Tuesday, 7 June 2022, the required majority for a decision of the question on the recommendation of the person to fill the vacancy on the Electoral Commission was not obtained.
There was no debate.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon members, in terms of section 6(2), paragraph (c) of the Electoral Commission Act of 1996, the person nominated for appointment to serve on the Electoral Commission must be approved by a majority of members of the Assembly. Although a division has been demanded, we are still required to report our support for the nomination. The House needs a clear majority of 201 members who must support the nomination.
Division demanded.
The House divided.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): ... on that we have the record requisite members physical present in the Chamber and on the virtual platform to take this decision. Party Whips will then be given an opportunity to confirm the number of their members present and indicate if they vote for or against
the question. A member who wishes to abstain or vote against the party vote may do so by informing the Chair. We are just waiting for the table to confirm whether we do have a quorum present. I recognise the Deputy Chief Whip of the Majority Party.
The DEPUTY CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: Hon House Chairperson, my apologies, I just want to alert you to the fact that members are still struggling to connect. Not only ANC members but all members.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): We have opened the voting and waiting for the table to confirm whether there is a quorum present. If there is a quorum present, we proceed. The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: May I ask why you opened the votes because ... [Inaudible.] ... Cn I ask in terms of which
Rule did you reopen the votes ... [Inaudible.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon members, I am waiting for the table to confirm whether we do have a quorum present. A quorum of more than 201 members is on the platform.
We will proceed.
Having confirmed that we have the requisite quorum, we will now proceed. Is there a problem hon Mazzone?
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Yes, House Chair ...
[Inaudible.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon member, I cannot determine that from here.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Sir, absolutely no. I place no blame on anyone whatsoever. Can I ask if you check with the IT department when the votes started, if the quorum was 201?
That’s all I am asking.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): We do have the table staff here that keeps me informed of what is happening. I do not have the numbers in front of me, unless you want me to open the procedure again. Start afresh to ring the bells for another five minutes. [Interjections.]. Okay, let’s proceed hon members. Order. We do have a quorum present.
Question put: That the nomination of Mr V G Mashinini be recommended to fill a vacancy on the Electoral Commission. The voting has started. Whips, please confirm the numbers of your members present in the Chamber and on the virtual platform. Also kindly indicate if they vote for or against the question. Are the party whips ready to record the votes of their members who are present?
The DEPUTY CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: My sincere apology, we are still adding up numbers. The ANC is in full support. In attendance here is 53. On the virtual platform, the ANC is 152, totalling up 205 in full support. [Applause.]
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: House Chairperson, I have no idea how many members are there on the virtual platform because I haven’t received ... [Interjections.] ...
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Order, hon members. We are in a voting process. Please take your seat, hon Papo.
[Interjections.] ...
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Seven in the House but I have no idea how many on the platform because I haven’t been informed yet.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Okay, we will come back to you. Order, hon members. Just remain calm. We are dealing with a very important question before the House.
The EFF?: House Chair, we are 10 on virtual platform and eight in the House. We are 18 and vote against.
Mr N SINGH: We are eight on virtual platform and I am here, that makes it nine voting for.
The ACDP?: House Chair, we are two on virtual platform and one in the House. We vote against. Thank you.
Mr N L S KWANKWA: House Chair, one on the virtual platform and voting in favour.
Mr B N HERRON: House Chair, two on the virtual platform, voting in favour. Thank you.
Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: House Chair, one on virtual platform, voting in support. Thank you.
Mr M NYHONTSO: The PAC is one and votes in favour.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): I go back to the DA.
The Chief Whip.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: The DA has 10 members on the virtual platform and seven in the House. A total of 17, voting against.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Is there any member that wishes to abstain or vote differently to their party?
Thank you, hon members. The voting session is now closed.
[TAKE IN FROM MINUTES]
Question agreed to.
Nomination of Mr V G Mashinini accordingly agreed to in accordance with section 6(2)(c) of the Electoral Commission Act, 1996.
CONSIDERATION OF REPORT OF PORTFOLIO COMMITTEE ON HUMAN SETTLEMENTS ON BUDGET VOTE 33: HUMAN SETTLEMENTS, AND ON REVISED STRATEGIC PLAN FOR COMING MEDIUM TERM EXPENDITURE FRAMEWORK, PERIOD AND ANNUAL PERFORMANCE PLAN, 2022-23
There was no debate.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: I move that the Report be adopted.
Motion agreed to (Economic Freedom Fighters and Democratic Alliance dissenting).
Report accordingly adopted.
CONSIDERATION OF REPORT OF STANDING COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS ON SECOND ADJUSTMENTS APPROPRIATION, 2021-22 FINANCIAL YEAR BILL
The CHIEF OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: I move that the Report be adopted.
There was no debate.
Motion agreed to (Economic Freedom Fighters dissenting).
Report accordingly adopted.
SECOND ADJUSTMENTS APPROPRIATION, 2021-22 FINANCIAL YEAR BILL
(First Reading debate)
The ACTING MINISTER OF FINANCE (Mr M Gungubele): Hon House Chairperson of the NA, hon members, fellow South Africans.
Thank you for the opportunity to engage the House on the 2022 Second Adjustments Appropriation Bill, 2021-22 financial year.
The Second Adjustments Appropriation Bill, 2021-22 Financial Year, gives effect to adjustments to the appropriation of money from the National Revenue Fund for expenditure approved in the 2021-22 financial year and provides for the matters incidental thereto.
The provision of an Adjustment Appropriation Bill is an important piece of legislation in our country. It allows the state to react with agility to deploy financial resources to cater for the adjustments due to significant and unforeseeable economic and financial events. On that note, House Chairperson, I would like to outline the global and domestic context under which this debate is set; a global economy with the Russia-Ukraine conflict resulting in higher fuel and food prices and mounting inflationary pressure. This is in addition to a local economy that is experiencing low growth and high unemployment, recovering from the COVID-19 pandemic and the riots of July 2021, and most recently, the floods in KwaZulu-Natal and parts of the Eastern Cape and the North West.
This Second Adjustments Appropriation Bill, House Chairperson, is necessitated on two grounds. The first, is an additional deployment of financial resources towards the sourcing of vaccines against the COVID-19 pandemic. This includes a further R500 million to the national Department of Health to
pay for COVID-19 vaccines and associated costs of logistics.
Again, we must encourage all South Africans to vaccinate and get booster shots.
Secondly, the Appropriation Bill, hon members, is about deploying financial resources to South African Special Risk Insurance Association, SASRIA.
This adjustment is due to the financial impact of the 2021 July civil unrest. It is indeed, a fact that 2021 was a difficult year for our country, as we struggled to navigate our way through and mitigate the adverse economic and social disruption caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. We were faced with
unanticipated violence, looting and destruction of public infrastructure that took place in July.
SASRIA, is a non-life insurer founded to cover losses, including those arising from public unrest and civil disobedience. Since its establishment in 1979 and its 43-year existence, SASRIA has never experienced an event on the scale of the July unrest. Thus far, SASRIA has emphasized that it has always been able to honour its financial obligations. Public unrest, strikes, rioting, and acts of terrorism are encompassed in the risks covered by SASRIA’s short-term insurance. Government has reaped dividends amounting to R12,8 billion from SASRIA.
However, in 2021 SASRIA faced its gravest challenge yet as a result of the July unrest which resulted in R32 billion worth of claims. This hon House Chairperson, left SASRIA technically insolvent and unable to satisfy its financial commitments nor sustain its regulatory obligations such as a minimum solvency cover ratio of 100% mandated by the Prudential Authority. Our goal as government is to ensure that SASRIA is financially stable. In the current financial year, the government has given R22 billion to SASRIA to assist in settlement of claims and guarantee that the insurer has adequate capital to fulfil regulatory requirements.
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This comprises R3,9 billion through the Second Special
Appropriation Act (2021), R11 billion through the Adjustment
Budget, and R7, 1 billion through Section 16(1) of the Public
Finance Management Act to respond to unforeseen and
unavoidable events.
Beyond the financial responsibility, SASRIA, will also revise
premiums, evaluate reinsurance agreements, and explore
opportunities to expand its customer base to bolster its
ability to respond to risks.
Hon members, it is important also to state the current
socio-political context in which SASRIA is operating. The
macro-economic conditions of low economic growth, rampant
inequality and high unemployment are taking place in tandem
with the report from the Zondo Commission on State Capture.
As indicated during the budget speech, corruption is a major
blight on the economy, it dilutes limited resources meant to
serve the people of the country, weakens the capacity of the
state to deliver, renders us fiscally more vulnerable, and
erodes public trust in the state. Therefore, it must be eroded
at all costs. Thank you, hon members, thank you House Chair, I
now hand over to the House Chairperson.
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Mr N S BUTHELEZI: Hon Chairperson, hon Ministers and Deputy
Ministers, hon members, ladies and gentlemen. As we debate
this Bill allow me to pay tribute to the young people of this
country who, in 1976 and beyond, said “This far, no further”,
with oppression, repression and exploitation of the majority
by a minority who exploited hospitality of the owners of this
country.
I’m talking about Motaung, Mogoerane, Mosololi, Xulu, Zondo
... [Inaudible.] ... Ndwandwe, Mahlangu, and many other
martyrs. By the way all those people were hanged. These are
the young people who paid the ultimate price when they were
hanged in Pretoria in Central Prison. Let their deaths be not
in vain.
The ANC supports the 2021 Second Adjustment Appropriation
Bill.
The Bill gives effect to the adjustments to the appropriation
of money from the National Revenue Fund for expenditure
approved in 2021-22 financial year.
Also, adjustments are required to authorize expenditure
approved in terms of section 6 of the Appropriation Act of
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2021 and section 16 of the Public Finance Management Act,
PFMA.
This Bill proposes additional allocations of R500 million for
the requirement of the Department of Health vote 18 to
continue funding for the COVID-19 vaccine programme authorized
in terms of section 6 1(b) of the Appropriation Act of 2021.
It also proposed additional allocation of R18,1 billion to
National Treasury vote 8 to provide for recapitalization of
equity to the SA Special Risk Insurance Association, SASRIA.
This was authorized in terms of both the Appropriation Act and
PFMA.
Hon members, these provisions of legislations allow the
executive, through the Minister of Finance, to authorize use
of money from the National Revenue Fund in instances like the
July unrest which engulfed mainly the provinces of Gauteng and
KwaZulu-Natal; also COVID-19, which wreaked havoc in our
communities and businesses.
When this intervention happened in 2021, the situation was as
follows:
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According to the quarterly labour force survey unemployment
rate was at 34,4% at the end of Q2, 2021. The highest
unemployment rate since the start of the, Quarterly Labour
Force Survey, QLFS in 2008.
The official unemployment rate among the youth was 44,2% in
Q2, 2021; this included 11% of university graduates. Many
people were sick, hospitalised, in ventilators and many
succumbed to COVID-19. As you know, hon members, Parliament
lost its members too.
The President of the Republic, his Excellency, Ramaphosa,
summarizing the situation in his state of the nation address
observed:
For many, the fire was symbolic of the devastation caused by
COVID-19 pandemic, by rising unemployment and deepening
poverty. It spoke to the devastation of a pandemic that,
over the past two years, has taken the lives of tens of
thousands of South Africans, put two million people out of
work and brought misery families.
This statement aptly captures the state and the mood in our
country, hon members.
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As if that pain was not enough, lightning strike again with
unseen ferocity. The July Gauteng and KwaZulu-Natal resulted
in over 400 people dead.
According to the survey by the Department Trade, Industry and
Competition, DTIC, 312 businesses in the manufacturing, 444 in
retail and 240 in the services sector were affected. Combined
costs of damages were R7,4 billion and lost orders were
R16,8 billion.
The cost to economic growth, employment and opportunity cost
of resources that had to be diverted are huge. But again, the
wounds of apartheid, racism, bigotry and exploitation were
laid bare. Most business that were not insured by both SASRIA
and other insurances were those owned by black people in
townships and in rural areas.
The sad reality by DTIC was that:
Most adverse production effects would be temporary, but some
operations may not resume. This means there are people who
will never be able to get their jobs back.
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Our government did not throw its hands to the air. On the
contrary, it led from the front and championed the fight
against this devastation. This includes this House, in
particular, and Parliament in general. This Parliament made
resources available to fight COVID-19 and effects of the July
unrest to individuals, families and businesses.
It is no exaggeration to suggest that the previous battles we
have won indicate that we are about to win the war. Therefore,
members, the Bill in front of us, the Second Adjustment
Appropriation Bill, continues with that fight and it must be
supported.
Hon members, the ANC supports the 2021 Second Adjustment
Appropriation Bill to save lives and livelihoods. I thank you.
[Applause.]
Ms B M VAN MINNEN: Thank you, House chair. Appropriations
should be an efficient vehicle for moving money within a
fiscal year. It is governed by constitutional provisions by
various pieces of legislation and follows on a broad oversight
and consultation process. However, instead of understanding
what the National Revenue Fund is and how withdrawals are
governed, the ANC merely thinks it has an uncle in the
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furniture business with money stuffed into cushions for some
eventuality for when it needs cash to pay for the results of
its ongoing internal wars.
The National Revenue Fund is not cash crusaders. The ANC needs
to understand that it cannot continue with its unlimited
withdrawals to fund its ongoing self-enrichment at the expense
of the people and the economy. Among the appropriations this
year is the transfer of R18 billion to SA Special Risk
Insurance Association, Sasria, to cover insurance claims
stemming from the July 21 unrest across parts of the country
that saw destruction, looting and rioting resulting directly
from ANC internal difficulties and factionalism, and for which
the people of South Africa are now having to pay. The SA
Special Risk Insurance Association, Sasria, is an economic
enabler but instead of enabling economic growth and the fiscal
health of South Africa as is intended, it instead of merely
enabler of the ANC.
How many times does South Africans pay for the ANC failures?
How many times has ANC destruction be repaired by hard working
men and women who spent 27 years under the heel of ANC
rapacity? Where is the R500 million being utilised to the
extra COVID-19 vaccines? COVID-19 vaccines have proven highly
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effective and helped save thousands of people’s lives. It is
also enabled the economy to reopen, companies to rehire and
workers to go back to work. However, it’s also a matter of too
little too late. Too much time has been wasted and too many
business and economic opportunities squandered by leadership,
too busy swapping deck chairs on the Titanic.
In contrast, the Western Cape government has been and
continues to call for an end to lockdown and has worked
tirelessly to show South Africans there is an alternative to
the ANC. The Western Cape is one of South Africa’s economic
powerhouses has the lowest unemployment in the country which
contribute over 15% to the country’s gross domestic products,
GDP. Exports to the Western Cape to keep overseas markets
surged in 2021 despite the challenges of the Cape Town harbor
and the reason the Cape Town harbor is a problem is because
the ANC insists on Transnet controlling it, meaning, it has
falling to the bottom of the log at number 347 out of 351.
harbors in Africa.
This increase in exports occurred at the height of the
restrictions which saw some governments closing down basically
their entire economies. Key among this was the ANC, who
pursued the raft of its own destructive measures that did
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nothing to support this nation at this time of crisis. This
brings us to the cost of living which is destroying South
Africans, who, instead of living successful enabling lives are
merely trying to keep their heads above water amid the
wreckage caused by the sinking ship of state. So, for friends,
family and small good for nothing parasitical parties,
destroying state institutions and buildings.
It is very clear and obvious to anyone not looking at the
economy who glasses clouded by the gloom of dodgy ideology and
instead focus on the clear blue water of the Western Cape.
However, our national fiscal position would be better if the
ANC had opened the nation earlier and not constrain the
vehicle of economic development with the dirty petrol of
illogical restrictions and lockdown. The fact remains that
after 28 years of the ANC in this rule, instead of an uncle in
the furniture business, the shop is closed and the warehouse
has been looted by cadres and friends. Thank you.
Mr M N PAULSEN: I am happy, I serve a glorious God and I serve
a glorious movement; the Economic Freedom Fighters. The
Economic Freedom Fighters rejects the Second Adjustment
Appropriations Bill. The Second Adjustment Appropriations Bill
is a money Bill introduced by the Minister of Finance in the
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National Assembly to request us as Members of Parliament to
give money to the SA Special Risk Insurance Association and
money for COVID-19 vaccine.
As the EFF, we have consistently warned that parliamentary
processes are outdated and need to be reviewed. We need to
look at how Parliament can be more responsive. At the moment,
the parliamentary program and the calendar only serves to
rubberstamp the executive Bills and adopts reports to cover
government incompetence and adopt Bills to allocate money when
government and state entities have already spent the money. We
need a process to deal with money Bills so that we do not pass
Bills when money has already been spent. Chairperson, let us
now deal with two allocations in the Second Adjustments
Appropriations Bill.
Let us start with a R500 million allocations to the COVID-19
vaccine. Initially, the Department of Health was meant to
spend R6,6 billion but instead it spent R7,7 billion, which
meant the shortfall of R1,1 billion. The Treasury has already
come up with R637 million and the additional R500 million is
meant to cover the difference. What is not said here today is
that the R7,7 billion spent on vaccine was negotiated in
secret and as members of Parliament we were denied access to
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the so-called negotiated terms of the purchase. What is also
not being seen here is that even when there was Sputnik 5 from
Russia and Sinovac from China those were going to cost far too
less.
The incompetent Cabinet of Mr Cyril Ramaphalaphala misguided
by the SA Health Products Authority, SAHPRA, and controlled by
the white capitalist establishment was held band on the
Western vaccines.
Mr B A RADEBE: Hon House Chairperson, I am rising on Rule 82,
that we must refer to each other as ...
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): ... speak to the
microphone I can’t hear you, hon member.
Mr B A RADEBE: I am rising on Rule 82, that we must treat each
other in respectable terms. He referred to the President with
another name which is not his. Thank you.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Yes, hon Paulsen, let
us refer to each other in our proper names. Do not add other
things to this, please.
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Mr M N PAULSEN: I am really happy that when I said
Ramaphalaphala ...
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon Paulsen! Hon
Paulsen ...
Mr M N PAULSEN: ... [Inaudible.] ... he thought that I was
referring to Ramaphosa.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon Paulsen, hon
Paulsen, I made a ruling in this regard you must now continue.
If you do it again you will have to withdraw the remark. I am
just cautioning you at this stage.
Mr M N PAULSEN: However, what it’s not being said today is
that the Department of Health was incompetent and the
government reactionary. The SA vaccine program was late and as
a result, hundreds of people who were supposed to be with us
has passed on. Death that could have been prevented. The
second one is the SA Special Risk Insurance Association,
Sasria. The 2021 July unrest is proof that the SA Special Risk
Insurance Association, Sasria, model is also outdated just
like the parliamentary program.
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The SA Special Risk Insurance Association is the state-owned
company that provides insurance that covers against special
events such as public disorder strikes, riots and terrorism.
That SA Special Risk Insurance Association could not cover the
losses of individuals and companies that suffered from the
2021 July unrest as it is supposed to do, but cannot, it means
its operating model is not appropriate or the ANC is not
appropriate. We must review the SA Special Risk Insurance
Association. The SA Special Risk Insurance Association must
provide insurance for special risks without depending on the
fiscus when there are special events.
However, also, it is time for the SA Special Risk Insurance
Association to offer insurance to all South Africans. The SA
Special Risk Insurance Association must offer affordable
insurance to black people who were exploited and discriminated
by white-owned companies. We should be debating
recommendations about reworking the SA Special Risk Insurance
Association remodel to create an insurance company that will
offer affordable insurance. The EFF rejects the Second
Adjustment Appropriations Bill of this corrupt ANC. Thank you
very much, Chairperson.
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): The next speaker is
hon Buthelezi. Is the Hon Buthelezi on the platform?
Mr N SINGH: Hon Chairperson, it seems not, he wasn’t informed.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): You may proceed, hon
Singh. You may come to the podium if you are here, hon Singh.
Come to the podium.
Mr N SINGH: Thank you, hon Chairperson and I’ll take under 4
minutes. Chairperson, we live in desperate and uncertain
times. The events that gave rise to this Appropriation Bill
could not have been predicted and exposed weak points in
government preparedness in respect of infectious disease,
pandemics and civil unrest.
This Second Adjustment Appropriations Bill provides for
government budgetary allocations for the procurement of
additional vaccines in the fight against COVID-19 and in
further enabling state-owned short term insurer SA Special
Risk Insurance Association to provide insurance relief for
persons and businesses who were affected by the July 2021
unrest, KwaZulu-Natal and Gauteng. We remain firmly within the
grips of COVID-19, even with the trajectory of the disease now
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heading towards becoming endemic, we should not for one second
become complacent thinking that the worst is past. This period
must, therefore, be used to build further resilience into our
health and emergency response measures, to deal with future
coronavirus outbreak as when and where they occur.
COVID-19 has exposed the weaknesses inherent in our health
care systems and these must be strengthened. Chairperson, by
the end of November last year and in relation to the July
unrest in the provinces of Gauteng and KwaZulu-Natal, the SA
Special Risk Insurance Association had received just over
14 000 insurance claims totaling some R32 billion. The largest
claims coming from retailers, shopping malls and warehouses.
The above unrest in resultant damage have only further
weakened our already limping economy and countless jobs have
been lost as a result thereof.
Government is doing all it can to recompense losses and
incurred by business by financially backing SA Special Risk
Insurance Association in short claims through the Second
Appropriation Bill. Chairperson, this appropriation budget has
to be welcomed as it shows government’s intention to assist
business and restore investor confidence in South Africa.
However, government must also focus on improving co-ordination
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in our intelligence structures, which played a huge role in
the unpreparedness of the security cluster response to the
July civil unrest. The IFP supports the Second Adjustment
Appropriations Bill. I thank you.
Mr W W WESSELS: Hon House Chairperson, at the core of this
Second Appropriation Adjustments Bill is the question
concerning the effectiveness of government, its planning and
how the budgeting process works. If one goes and have a look,
firstly, for the reason at the need for this R18 billion for
South African Special Risk Insurance Association, Sasria, one
cannot talk about and debate this Adjustment Appropriation
Bill without reflecting on the reason for the unrest. The
reason for the looting, the reason for what happened just
about a year in KwaZulu-Natal and Gauteng.
This side of the House cannot sit here and just throw hands in
the air and think that they are not responsible for the
looting, corruption and the destruction of livelihoods and
properties. Your inefficiency to prevent, to actually see it
coming, to actually act, to not just sit and see it happening
and then want to appropriate funds to solve the situation is
at the core of the problems of this country. The fact that you
just sit back and you just watched as spectators. Let me say
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hon Chairperson that you are not spectators. You are the
ruling party although you cannot rule, although you cannot
govern, you are supposed to be governing. Your criminal
intelligence, your intelligence services should not be keeping
your Executive safe but it should actually be doing its job in
preventing crimes from happening, in preventing what happened
last year from happening and that is where your government
failed.
If one looks at the vaccines hon House Chairperson, there is
about 7 million doses of vaccines about to expire now. That is
the money we are appropriating now but it is a lack of
planning and it is a lack of efficiency by government that is
leading to money that is going to waste. What we are
appropriating here hon Buthelezi, Chairperson of the committee
is wasted in less than a week’s time.
We are appropriating R500 million that is wasted because those
vaccines are expiring because of the lack of efficiency by the
Department of Health. A lack of planning and a lack of seeing
what is coming.
Afrikaans:
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Agb Voorsitter, ’n tekort aan om oor die bult te kan sien en
te kan sien wat gaan gebeur. U kan nie net agteroor sit en
dink dat alles net in weelde gaan wees nie. Daar is probleme
en u moet die probleme kan voorspel en u moet kan optree. Maar
soos altyd, agb Voorsitter, oorskry u arrogansie u
intelligensie. Ek dank u.
English:
Mr S N SWART: Hon House Chair, this Bill proposes the
allocation of additional funding mainly the R18 billion to
South African Special Risk Insurance Association, Sasria. We
all know the July unrest in 2020 one events the disorder riots
and unrest led to an extensive damage and accounted for 70%
and 30% of the loses in KwaZulu-Natal and Gauteng for Sasria.
The ACDP agrees that the support provided to Sasria as the
payment of claims is important to support the recovery of
businesses especially in small, medium-size businesses that
have been hard hit by the unrest.
What we are concerned about is that to date very few people
have been held responsible for this widespread wanton
destruction and tragic loss of lives. Taxpayers are yet again
having to foot the bill for this orchestrated insurrection.
The High Level Expert Panel Report is incisive. It found out
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that while the looting, destruction and violence have come and
gone what they found is that little has changed in the
conditions that caused the unrest. This leaves the public
worried that there might similar eruptions of large scale
unrests in future. The question many argue as the panel found
is not if and whether more unrest and violence will occur but
when.
There is also worry that the violence has left a sense of
uncertainty and vulnerability because of the ineffective
response of the State Security Services. That is the panel’s
finding which is an appetite for lawlessness by those who
might feel emboldened by the apparent lack of state capacity.
Perhaps the most significant input may which the panel hear,
the panel said we heard this several times that what appears
to be factional battles in the ANC have become a serious
source of instability in the country. Now, that is the panel
requested by the President to investigate the unrest and this
is a severe indictment on the majority party. Again the
question arises, why should taxpayers then foot the billions
of rand needed to recapitalise Sasria when the majority party
itself, as found by the High Level Expert Panel has become the
source of instability?
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It is obviously crucial that the findings of the panel are
implemented to avoid the repeat. Last year the ACDP takes note
of the R500 million allocation to the Department of Health for
Covid-19 vaccines. Now we wish to emphasise that we are
opposed to mandatory Covid-19 vaccines. We oppose any attempts
to the recently published health regulations to introduce a
vaccine mandate through the back door and to discriminate
between those who have been vaccinated and those who have not.
I thank you.
Mr N L S KWANKWA: Hon Chairperson, the UDM supports the Second
Appropriations Bill.
IsiXhosa:
Isizathu sokuwuxhasa yinto yokuba kudala sayithetha le nto,
isathukuza le ncoko, into yokuba iSasria, Buthelezi
ohloniphekileyo, niyayazi ukuba iyasiqhatha.
English:
Even on its page, it talks about it was inspired by young and
courageous people who shaped the course of history in South
Africa referring to the Soweto Uprising of 1976. In actual
fact, it was not inspired by that.
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IsiXhosa:
Ngabelungu ababesoyika izixholoxholo zabantu abantsundu
ngexesha kwakusilelwa inkululeko. Ngabantu ababezama
ukukhusela amashishini abo kuthi ...
English:
... and riots taking place at that time. Now, the crux of the
matter and the reason I am raising this matter is because ...
IsiXhosa:
... ukusukela oko le Sasria yasekwayo uza kuthi gaa ngoku ...
English:
... we have never done anything to try and reposition it and
try to make sure that it reaches ...
IsiXhosa:
... abantu abaninzi, abantu abahluphekileyo nabantu abahlala
ezilokishini zabantu abantsundu kuba iSasria ibingazukufuna
ukuncedwa ngurhulumente ukuba bebekwazi ukuyithengisa le nto
yabo.
English:
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If it was actively marketing its products into packages of
insurances that are affordable that can be accessed ...
IsiXhosa:
... ngabantu bakuthi. Nangoku ukuba ungakhe ufumane ulwazi
...
English:
... about the claims and the amount of money paid is that ...
IsiXhosa:
... abona bantu abakhuselekileyo nabantu abanoSasria
zinkampani ezinkulu zabantu abamhlophe bona bantu bawaziyo
umsebenzi wayo ukuba yintoni.
English:
For example, ordinary people only come across this name of the
company when they take insurance for houses and or vehicles
but there is nothing that actively sells this insurance.
IsiXhosa:
Loo nto ithetha ukuba usomashishini oselokishini akasoze
ayazi. Enye into kufuneka xa sikhuphe imali sancedisa ezi
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nkampani noba nguSasria lowo, sijonge ukuba le mali ayithotywa
ngamlenze kusini na.
English:
That these companies do not make claims for their benefit and
find out that the socioeconomic conditions that were worsened
by the riots are not exacerbated further even after the
insurance pay-outs have taken place.
IsiXhosa:
Asiyijongi loo nto ukuqinisekisa ukuba ...
English:
... there are conditions that are attached to. It is the
same thing that happened, as the side issue and not part of
this Adjustment Bill, the loan guarantee scheme.
IsiXhosa:
Yinto efanayo le nale yenzeka kwimali-mboleko kuncediswa
iinkampani ...
English:
... with rates that are favourable but we did not follow up
after the companies accessed the resources ...
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IsiXhosa:
... ziqhubekile zaqesha abantu bakuthi kusini na.
English:
The unemployment rate continues to shoot up but ...
IsiXhosa:
... urhulumente ukhupha imali ...
English:
... in bailing out these businesses in order for them to do
what is right. Another problem is the vaccines in South
Africa.
IsiXhosa:
Asifuni ukuba nencoko ngabantu abasweleke emva kokufumana
ichiza. Sibane sisithi ewe ziyabusindisa ubomi kodwa asifuni
ukuthetha ngaba bantu babhubhe emva kokuhlaba. Ndinabo mna
abantu phaya ekhaya abathe basweleka emva kokuhlaba bafumane
ichiza. Enkosi. [Kwaphela ixesha.]
English:
Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Hon House Chairperson, the NFP supports the
Second Adjustment Appropriation Bill tabled here today.
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Chairperson, I want to send a message to ordinary South
Africans. This special Appropriation Bill is as a result,
particularly to a large extent to what happened on July
unrests. What does it clearly tell us? Money that could have
been used to improve the quality of our people and deliver
services to them are now redirected as a result of the damages
that have been done due to the protesting.
There is nothing wrong in protesting and nothing wrong in
raising concerns about the delivery of service but going out
there and destroy the very same infrastructure and business
that are responsible for economic growth to create jobs in
this country, now this is because of it. So, what I want to
say is for South Africans to understand that you are now
becoming the cause of why we are where we are today. That is
the first issue.
On the second one is the issue of vaccines. I want to raise a
concern that while I too have taken my vaccines, there is a
lot of concerns that are raised currently in the country about
the side effects of the vaccines. The number of people that
are now having cardiac arrest, stroke and many other illnesses
are on the rise. The time has come to investigate thoroughly
by taking it into consideration that these vaccines were
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developed, manufactured and distributed from a very short
space of time and not even given enough time to ensure its
efficacy. So, whilst we support these, there are concerns that
we want to raise. Thank you very much, hon House Chairperson.
Mrs M C DIKGALE: Thank you very much hon House Chair, hon
Ministers and Deputy Ministers, hon members and fellow South
Africans. The ANC supports the Second Adjustment Appropriation
Bill.
Hon members, let me start by paying tribute to the young lions
of 1976, the young boys and girls who faced the most feared
brutal death of apartheid white minority government with
stones and bare fists. We owe our being here to the generation
of Hector Petersen and all those who perished at the hands of
the most brutal system of our times
The Bill amongst others allocates R500 million to the
Department of Health. This is to pay for Covid-19 vaccines and
related logistic costs. This ...[Inaudible.] ... find already
allocated to the Covid-19 funds. Hon members, this means that
R8,8 billion was allocated for this programme in the 2021/22
financial year.
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Hon members, they say we are all clever after the event. This
is true for some hon members in the opposition benches who
blame the governing party for slow economic growth and high
unemployment rates.
They have all of a sudden forgotten that this virus shock was
unknown when it hit the world and our country. No country has
budgeted for it, no country could have foreseen it however the
ANC led government was agile enough to mobilise resources in a
very short space of time to buy vaccines first for frontline
workers, elders and everyone else.
House Chair, I still remember some amongst us standing here
saying the ANC led by his Excellency President Ramaphosa,
Minister of Health, Cogta and the Cabinet had not budgeted for
the vaccines. Standing here, they did not want to believe
government when it said there were enough resources in the
budget to buy vaccines for everyone.
It is now common course that the South African government led
by the ANC has enough stock of vaccines. In fact, we now have
over supply of vaccines.
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Hon members, it is because of this ANC government that stood
and more than 35 million vaccine doses have been administered
to about 20 million people. While the second and third waves
of covid were devastating. There is no doubt that the latter
variants were less severe and thanks to the availability of
vaccines.
Hon members, the doubting Thomases among us must not let our
people die, whether in churches or anywhere for that matter.
The World Health Organisation director Tedros commented that
there is no doubt that the vaccine saved countless lives, the
vaccines are assisting to the turn the tight on the pandemic
and the vaccines are now giving many countries the confidence
to relax restrictions. They have indeed allowed our own
country to open up so that people can go back to work and
businesses can start operating.
Hon House Chair, despite the success we have scored, we are
not lowering our guts and that is why the 2022/23
appropriation Bills allocates the Department of Health a
further R2 billion for vaccines.
It will be amiss of me not to take a bow to all the frontline
workers who defied the odds, demonstrating unseen bravery and
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patriotism in protecting you and I as we were fighting this
stealth disease. The health workers deserve a special mention.
Some of our patriots perished in that fight. We shall forever
be indebted to them.
We join our Minister Joe Phahla in gratitude and I wish to
take the opportunity to express our gratitude to our gallant
health workers who have been and all remain the front line
worriers against the Covid-19 pandemic just as they have done
against HIV, human immunodeficiency virus, and Aids. Minister
Phahla there, there is no doubt that this enemy will be
defeated like the June 16 worriers defeated apartheid.
Hon members, there’s definitely vaccine hesitancy in our
country especially amongst the young people. Let us continue
to persuade them to vaccinate for their own good, their
families, for fellow students, fellow workers and our country.
This is youth month, go and vaccinate.
Hon members, so that there is no confusion, let us understand
what not supporting the Bill means. It means you are not
supporting the vaccination of workers, not supporting the Bill
means that no research on vaccine should take place and not
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supporting the Bill means that you are saying it is right for
young people to be unemployed.
Let me close by quoting his Excellency President Ramaphosa.
“Vaccines dramatically reduce the chances of severe illness,
hospitalisation and death.”
The ANC supports 2021 Second Adjustment Bill. Thank you very
much Chair.
Mr R A LEES: Hon Chair, with your permission may I leave my
camera off, I’m in a weak signal area, thank you very much.
Hon Chair, much of what my old friend hon Buthelezi and
Dikeledi have said about the good work that has been done by
front line workers and so on, we have to concur with.
However, the adjustments appropriation bill is essentially a
rubber stamp to approve funding already authorised by use of
section 16 of the PFMA, Public Finance Management Act, and
section 6 of the Appropriation Act.
This use of section 16 of the PFMA is yet another abuse of
section 16 as was done in 2017 when Malusi Gigaba, the then
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Minister of Finance, cynically used section 16 to pay SAA,
South African Airways, a bailout of R2,207 billion. Hon
Buthelezi will remember the controversy around that bailout.
But never fear, whilst the Minister of Finance has not abused
section 16 to secretly bailout SAA this time round, there is
still a further R3,5 billion SAA bailout to come in the
Medium-Term Budget Statement. This will bring the total
taxpayer bailouts of SAA just since 2007 to a mind-boggling
R51 billion.
The question is why has section 16 of the PFMA not been
invoked to provide the comparatively small R1 billion funding
for the KZN flood devastation? Why was this R1 billion promise
made by President Ramaphosa and yet two months after the
floods not a cent has yet been provided?
The ANC are happy to abuse section 16 to bankroll a bankrupt,
mismanaged and raped SAA but not to provide funds for the
desperate people of KZN.
The bald hypocrisy of the ANC is laid bare when they
pontificate about spending R14,5 billion to save 1000 jobs at
SAA but not spending R1 billion to save the people of KZN.
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It is ANC hypocrisy that says the 1 000 SAA employees are more
important than the 800 SA Express employees, the 700 Mango
employees and the 2 000 Comair employees.
It is ANC hypocrisy that says it is more important to provide
R14,5 billion to an SAA convicted of uncompetitive trading
than to provide the R1 billion in damages owed by SAA to
Comair.
It is ANC hypocrisy that provides R14,5 billion to a lost
cause SAA but not the R900 million ticket sales stolen from
Airlink by SAA.
It is ANC hypocrisy that allowed banks to coerce them into
placing SAA in Business Rescue even though loans by banks to
SAA were quite safely secured by government guarantees.
Chair, the massive government guarantees of R19,7billion were
issued to SAA with absolutely no parliamentary participation
let alone approval.
Hon Chair, I have before Parliament a private members bill
that is completely non-partisan and that is a first step
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towards reigning in the issuing of ill-conceived government
guarantees.
I am firmly convinced there can be no rational reason for the
ANC not to support this Bill. I sincerely hope that they do
support the Bill.
Hon Chair, the bottom line is that South Africa is burdened
with a lame duck President and a poverty cabinet with the
majority of ministers being incompetent and useless. Thank you
very much.
Mr Z MLENZANA: Greetings to you hon Chairperson, hon members
and South Africans. Let me start by saying, the ANC supports
the Bill. Rev Hlongwane of the Methodist Church of Southern
Africa said to me one day, I am quoting him: “Our democracy
has been undermined by those who claim to be democratic
leaders” My response to him Mqwathi was that, look ...
IsiXhosa:
... mfundisi yintshumayelo enkulu ke lena, ifuna ixesha
elifanelekileyo.
English:
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However, the hallmark of demagogues and charlatans and their
ability to sell is these suicidal solutions to poor masses,
when the nation is confronted with complex and difficult
problems, is what is always running within their bloods. The
pages of history are littered with such charlatans, some who
led the whole nations to the brink of destruction.
The fascists in Europe such as Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini
who plunged the nations of Germany and Italy respectively,
then to devastation of the Second World War, are prime
examples of what we are actually talking about. I need not
talk about Nongqawuse ...
IsiXhosa:
... abantu abangamaXhosa ...
English:
... would know that, the young woman was believed to have a
spiritual gift, claimed that ancestors appeared to her and
said AmaXhosa ... [Interjections] ...should destroy their
crops and kill their cattle because, by so doing the dead
would arise. [Interjections.] But needless to say, the dead
did not arise but ...
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IsiXhosa:
... abantu bakuthi ...
English:
... suffered a lot. The incidents of July 2021 where people
were mobilized to destroy economic infrastructure and
businesses that served them in KwaZulu-Natal and Gauteng based
on false promises, were examples of a brief triumph of
demagogues and charlatans like the ones who disrupted this
House’s sitting Chief Whip only last week, in their feeble
attempt steal political power. They say, because they are the
fascists of Europe, theirs is the minority cause.
IsiXhosa:
Bayayibona abantu bakuthi le nto niyenzayo ...
English:
... and they are no longer happy.
IsiXhosa:
Abasayiqhwabeli zandla, badikiwe.
English:
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Unfortunately, whenever such incidents of destruction occur,
it is the state which has to pick up the pieces and repair
that which is broken. These incidents of unrest dealt a double
blow to our economy.
IsiXhosa:
Beligqiba ukutsho apha ilungu elihloniphekileyo uDikgale ...
English:
... that, we were coming from or we were still in COVID-19 at
the time. The state-owned insurance companies SA Special Risk
Insurance Association, Sasria which was established in 1979 to
manage the property damages during political unrests,
experienced the biggest loss in this history by the year
ending 31 March 2022. They lost R27,8 billion before tax as
compared to a profit that they used to make of R2 billion in
the previous years.
The ANC supports this Second Adjustment Appropriation Bill
because it is an intervention by government to effect
adjustment to appropriation of money, from national revenue of
expenditure approved in the 2021 financial year.
IsiXhosa:
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Gqaba-gqaba ezi mali,
English:
... this R18,1 million ...
IsiXhosa:
... kubonakala ngokungathi niyayincwinela ...
English:
... we support it, because the number of claims to Sasria shot
up to 20 000 in the 2021 financial year as compared to 3 000
in the previous years. Government had intervened because the
record level claims of Sasria. A total of R22 billion was
needed, R3,9 billion was provided, R7,1 billion provided
through section 16(1), R11 billion through section 16(1)(b).
This R22 billion has been helpful to Sasria to settle claims
and recover its solvency cover ratio, SCR which had dropped
below the minimum of 100% as required by the Prudential
Authority.
Perhaps, let me quickly say, much as we understand that Sasria
...
IsiXhosa:
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... usebenza kakuhle ...
English:
... but we are noting that its beneficiaries are mostly ...
IsiXhosa:
... aba bantu babonakala namhlanje bengafuni ukuba uphunyezwe
lo Mthetho-oyilwayo.
English:
How we wish ...
IsiXhosa:
... ukuba abantu baseMzantsi Afrika ...
English:
... could be taking care of. The second part is that, you have
an unholy and undemocratic alliance and their friends in the
one-man led parties like EFF and ACDP as well as the remnants
of the apartheid fascism in the FF Plus, who are busy
rejecting this Bill. The FF Plus ... [Interjections.]
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Thank you, just a ...
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Mr M N PAULSEN: On a point of order Chair.
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Just take a pause. Is
that a point of order? Take your seat hon Mlenzana.
Mr M N PAULSEN: Chairperson, the point ...[Interjections.]
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Is that a point of
order hon Paulsen?
Mr M N PAULSEN: The EFF is led by a collective
...[Interjections.]
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Hon Paulsen, hon
Paulsen that is not a point of order. Take your seat. Go ahead
hon Mlenzana.
Mr Z MLENZANA: FF Plus, we don’t want to be reminded by
yourselves on how you infiltrated our organisation, as far
back as the underground times in exile and up to now.
IsiXhosa:
Nize kuma apha nisiqhayisela ngento yokuba ...
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English:
... you are busy infiltrating our intelligence system,
sinijongile (we are watching you.) However, going forward we
must ensure that, the state in the light of what I have just
said is strengthened in all respects to defend the
communities, defend workers, defend businesses across. When we
are saying businesses, we are talking of ...
IsiXhosa:
... aba bantu bahlala esitratweni begodola phaya, babe aba
baze kuthi namhlanje abafuni kuvunwe lo Mthetho-oyilwayo
ekuebni iza kuncedisana nabo. Sithetha ngaba bantu batsha
bazizamelayo abathi nabo ...
English:
... in the name that some of them have been mobilised ...
IsiXhosa:
... kukho into entsha ngoku Sihlalo apho kuthiwa kubantu
bakuthi, siya kuqhankqalazo okanye imatshi ...
English:
... only to find that ...
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IsiXhosa:
... ngumtabho.
English:
People are now mobilized to disrupt this country and we want
to warn South Africans ...
IsiXhosa:
... ukuba mabahlale bethe qwa.
English:
There is no one who is going to wake up to come and change
this constitutional democracy. Here we have got a patriotic
majority, which has got a right to speak out. Don’t be this
minority that is taking chances as if South Africa doesn’t
have a Constitution.
IsiXhosa:
Ufumanise ukuba ...
English:
... they just wake up mobilising people, marching just because
they are not satisfied ...
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IsiXhosa:
... yindlela i-ANC ekhokela ngayo ...
English:
... and think that tomorrow there will be no ANC. Let us go
and campaign ...
IsiXhosa:
... ukwenzela ukuba abantu bakuthi bathethe evotini.
English:
This that we have is a constitutional democracy. There is no
way ...
IsiXhosa:
... apho siza kuvumela khona abantu abangathi bagqwethekile
abasuka bavumbuluke becinga ukuba siza kusuka sithi uMongameli
makeme ecaleni.
English:
Who are you to tell us ...
IsiXhosa:
... ukuthi uMongameli owonyulwe sithi makeme ecaleni?
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English:
Who are you? Who are you? Why should we be told by you? The
AMC supports this Bill. I thank you. [Applause.]
The ACTING MINISTER OF FINANCE (M Gungubele): Thank you hon
Chair. Can you hear me?
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): We can hear you. Go
ahead Minister.
An HON MEMBER: On a point of order Chairperson.
The ACTING MINISTER OF FINANCE (M Gungubele): Hon Chair, may I
take this opportunity to express my gratitude to a very
healthy robust engagement on initiatives and efforts whose
attempt is to take South Africa forward. One appreciates the
honesty ...[Interjections.]
Ms E N NTLANGWINI: On a point of order House Chair.
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Just pause Minister.
What is the point of order?
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Ms E N NTLANGWINI: Thank you House Chair. It is very
disappointing that we are debating the Appropriation Bill, and
the National Treasury custodian leadership is not in the
House. They are not there. It is in fact ... [Interjections.]
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): That is not a point
of order. Please take your seat. That is not a point of order.
Go ahead Minister.
Ms E N NTLANGWINI: It is a sad day for ... It is a sad day.
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Go ahead Minster.
The ACTING MINISTER OF FINANCE (M Gungubele): Thank you very
much hon Chair.
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): You are not going to
repeat that. You are not going to repeat that hon Ntlangwini.
Go ahead Minister.
The ACTING MINISTER OF FINANCE (M Gungubele): Thank you hon
Chair. Our understanding in the Treasury is that, we are doing
everything to make sure that we reduce the liabilities of this
country. We reduce all factors that mitigate against healthy
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fiscal framework, that position this country on a recovery
path, that improves the credit worthiness of this country. So
that we continue to secure points from the investors’ ratings,
so that we continue to create an environment which improves
being a destination for investment.
It is only when you pay these liabilities. It is only one make
sure that we are geared, to deal with contingencies of this
nature. Thank you to hon members for actually supporting this
item with that at the back of their minds. Thank you very much
hon Chair.
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Thank you. Are there
any objections to the Bill being read for the first time? No
objections.
Bill read a first time (Freedom Front Plus, African Christian
Democratic Party, Economic Freedom Fighters and Democratic
Alliance dissenting).
Report Agreed to.
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(Second Reading)
isiZulu:
Mnu N S BUTHELEZI: Ngiyabingelela Sihlalo namalungu
ahloniphekile onke eNdlu ...
English:
The African National Congress supports the Appropriation Bill
2022 B7
IsiZulu:
Mhlawumbe ngingakaqhubeki nje bengazi ukuthi vele ...
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Just pause, hon
Buthelezi. Just take your seat. There’s a long pause with the
secretary today. We going to ask the secretary to read order
five. It’s taking long.
SECOND ADJUSTMENT APPROPRIATION BILL 2021-22 FINANCIAL YEAR
(Second Reading)
IsiZulu:
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Mnu N S BUTHELEZI: Malungu ahloniphekileyo mina bengazi ukuthi
ilungu elihloniphekile uMazamba uma eqala ukukhuluma
uzokhuluma ngamabhanoyi ese-SAA ngathi kukhona inyanga
eyambulala yase iyalahleka.
English:
We are talking about the Adjustment Appropriation hon
Mazambane ...
IsiZulu:
... uqhamuka uzositshela ngamabhanoyi. Sikhuluma ngeSasria,
awusho lutho ngayo. Sikhuluma ngemigomo awusho lutho ngayo.
Wena uyazindizela nje. [Uhleko.] Uyandiza, uyabhabha.
English:
I dedicate my debate to those visionaries who congregated in
Kliptown at the congress of the people and drafted the
historic document the Freedom Charter. I say they are
visionaries because their ideas have mostly outlived them.
Their ideas are as relevant today as they were 67 years ago.
Even the June 16th generation was motivated by ideals of the
Freedom Charter.
IsiZulu:
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Mazambane ngibuyele kuwena, siyizwile i-commercial yakho ye-
private members bill kodwa ibekwe kabi [ is misplaced.]
[Uhleko.] Ayizindizele njalo iye lapho ifuna ukuya khona.
[Uhleko.]
English:
The ACTING HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Hon Buthelezi,
apologies please take your seat. Take your proper seat down
there on the ground. [Laughter.] We apologise hon Buthelezi
but I hope after this the secretary will be well settled. I am
going to invite the secretary to read the Sixth Order.
There was no debate.
Bill read a second time
APPROPRIATIONS ON APPROPRIATION BILL
(Consideration of Report of Standing Committee)
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: Thank you very much
House Chair, I move that the Report be adopted by this August
House.
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There was no debate.
The Chief Whip of the Majority Party moved: That the Report be
adopted.
Motion agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom
Fighters, Freedom Front Plus, African Christian Democratic
Party and United Democratic Movement dissenting).
Report accordingly adopted.
APPROPRIATION BILL
(First Reading debate)
IsiZulu:
Mnu N S BUTHELEZI: Ngiyabonga Sihlalo, ngiqhubeka ngithi ukuze
abantu bakithi bazi ukuthi ukuphikisa lo Mthethosivivinyo
kuchaza ukuthini. Namhlanje sibhekene nesabiwomali.
Iphalamende ihlezi la izothi akuphume imali kuhulumeni
iyokhokhela izingane zakithi esikoleni, ikhokhele izibhedlela,
inike ogogo izimali, kukhokhelwe izingane zethu
ezisemanyuvesi. Uma iqembu leliphikisayo lithi alihambisani
nalo Mthethosivivinyo, ithi mazingenziwa lezo zinto.
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Ngiyethemba nilalele bogogo ukuthi labantu enibakhethile beze
la bathini.
English:
The main declaration that was made then is that South Africa
belongs to all who live in it. This does not suggest that we
should be happy above the geographical location. Belonging to
South Africa also means equal access to its wealth below and
above the ground. Hence our people were unequivocal in
declaring the people shall share the country’s wealth. Also
the land shall be shared amongst those who work it. There
shall be work and security.
Hon members, the Appropriation Bill is still in place of these
Freedom Charter ideas. Consolidated government expenditure is
R2,2 trillion for 2022-23. Expenditure by national vote is
R1,057 trillion. That’s what is divided among the different
national departments. This represents an increase
R282,3 billion compared to the 2021 budget.
Chairperson, centuries of colonialism, decades of apartheid
misrule of the benefit of less than 10% of our population,
COVID-19 pandemic, July 2021 unrest, the recent storms and
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floods, all have increased the number of people that need
government’s intervention for free services.
Hon members, the Bill allocates R1,121 trillion for social
wage based on consolidated expenditure for free services for
the most vulnerable. This budget, we are saying is
redistributive and is pro poor. According to the quarterly
labour survey, our economy produced 370 000 new jobs in Q1
2022 – a positive development indeed. The challenge of high
rates of unemployment still remains. The Presidential
Employment stimulus produced 879 000 jobs in agriculture,
education, health and many other sectors. We therefore welcome
the R9 billion allocation to this programme. It will create
513905 new jobs opportunities.
Mr President, we would like to suggest that let us also
include the SOEs and agencies within this initiative. Eskom,
Transnet, Prassa, DBSA, NEF, IDC and any other provincial SOEs
DFIs made good partners of this programme. The engineers,
accountants, finance and accounting graduates, artisans may be
absorbed by these institutions without added financial
obligations. Also many of law and accounting graduates cannot
find placements for their articles. We are proposing that we
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look at small firms, especially black and women-owned firm
partnerships. This will definitely provide a win-win outcome.
Chairperson, the Department of Trade and Industry and
Competition is allocated R10,859 billion in this Bill. This
department is very critical for Economic Reconstruction and
Recovery plan. It is critical in championing localisation,
industrialisation, black empowerment and economic
transformation and fighting against uncompetitive behaviour in
business. However, we are saying without fear of contradiction
that the resources allocated to DTIC do not correlate to the
responsibilities. Upfront, we are calling for more resources
to this department, hon Minister, when MBPS is tabled.
Statistics SA gives South Africa good news that our GDP grew
by 1,9% in Q1 2022 taking GDP above the level of preCOVID -19
level. Lest we forget hon members this happened despite July
unrest shock to the economy. These numbers are not just mana,
they are reflecting the agility and responsiveness of our
government to that dark cloud which befell our country.
We agree with Mr Patel when he said:
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we have to grasp the lesson that absence of economic
justice places the burden of climate, social or
geopolitical disruptions on those in society that can
least afford to shoulder these burdens.
That must be corrected with this budget. We would like see an
addition to 400 000 workers who acquired shares at companies
like Shoprite, Burger King, and imperial. Those were the
interventions of a competition committee. Hon members, these
lessons of dealing with unexpected shocks must be put in good
use in dealing with KZN and Eastern Cape floods, we urge
government to fast-track this process.
Chairperson, unfortunately, there is no substitute for
inclusive economic growth that will ensure that we have more
jobs opportunities, high revenues by Sars, higher disposable
income. We reduce the sovereign debt. We reduce the deficit
and more importantly, we decrease inequality and poverty. We
believe as the ANC that government must use its buying power
to fast-track localisation and broad-based economic
empowerment. The push back on economic transformation by the
beneficiaries of the largees of the colonialism and apartheid
is there for everyone to see. They are using every check to
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stop the rightful owners of this country to have access to the
land of their forefathers and foremother.
The Public Procurement Bill must be strong on the following
and we urge the hon members when they look at that Bill then
they ensure that the Bill enforces a fair and transparent
process. Most importantly, it must be unambiguous and
unequivocal on preferential procurement for black people,
women and African women, youth and in particular black and
African youth. It must be unforgiving on malfeasance and
corruption. It must be very strong on localisation. That will
allow the budget that this Parliament passes to be used for
economic growth and transformation.
Hon members, let us be very careful and watch those who want
to equate black economic empowerment to corruption. We cannot
allow black economic empowerment to be criminalised.
Corruption knows no colour. There is nothing black in the
corruption of Steinhoff. The defrauding of state during the
2010 World Cup collusive behaviour, the misrepresentation of
annual financial statements by Tongaat Hulletts for years with
the collusion of some of the big auditing firms.
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We agree with the president in his address to the BBC when he
said: Now more than any other time in our history, we need to
undertake the task of empowerment with greater intensity and
purpose in the face of resistance and those who use the new
weapon called law faire meaning people always go to court when
it has to come to the empowerment of black people. Let’s guard
against that. That’s what the President warn. We shouldn’t
allow that hon members.
IsiZulu:
Asiyibheke le nto. Sithi ukukhohlakala akunabala. Abantu
abakhohlakele ubathola yonke indawo.
English:
Let that not be used to stop economic transformation. The
people of this country have got their right to their economy,
especially in the over R2 trillion budget of this Parliament.
[Applause.] We can’t be sitting here.
IsiZulu:
Sihlezi ngalesabiwomali siyasibona siyadlula. Simi thina,
iyangena iyaphuma kodwa abantu bakithi abahlomuli kuyo.
English:
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Hon members, the elephant in the room as we urge you to
approve this budget is underspending, wasteful and fruitless
expenditure and adverse audit outcomes. The ANC supports the
Bill. I thank you. [Applause.]
Debate concluded.
Bill read a first time (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom
Fighters, African Christian Democratic Party, Freedom Front
Plus and United Democratic Movement dissenting).
BUSINESS SUSPENDED AT 12:45 AND RESUMED AT 14:00.
Dr D T GEORGE: Hon Chairperson, the Appropriation Bill saves
up spending from the National Revenue Fund and must be
considered within the broader context. The budget process is
fundamentally flawed. It does not ensure that the people’s
money is spent in the best possible way. The Financial and
Fiscal Commission has advised that their recommendations were
not properly taken into consideration especially on rapidly
rising debt, endless bailouts on state-owned enterprises and
systemic corruption in the public financial system.
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I asked the National Treasury on how they can award themselves
an excellent score on budgeting, when our public finances
clearly not effectively managed? The director-general
responded that 170 municipalities are financially
dysfunctional, that 61% of all municipalities. We see that
dysfunction when the people must navigate potholes, run out of
water, watch their cities and towns fall apart, while
government waste and steal their money and pretends that
everything is well.
A government that is out of touch and does not care. The
public financial collapse in not only local. The national
government promised R1 billion in relief to KwaZulu-Natal
after the floods, but does not have any money to give them.
Government promised the R350 grant to the most vulnerable
people disparate for some relief of the distress. It never
paid them and left them hungry.
Government has run out of money and no amount of borrowing can
fix what the ANC has broken. Government has eaten away the
foundations of our economic potential. One corrupt riddled
bite after the other.
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The role of government is to provide infrastructure,
education, health care, a social security net and a safe and
secure environment. A foundation to lift all who live in South
Africa out of poverty and enable everyone to become everything
that they are capable of becoming. That is the job of
government. To lightly regulate where necessary. Take action
should the market failure occur. And then get out of the way
for business to generate the jobs we desperately need.
The ANC-led government believes that a broken, incapable state
and a bankrupt state on enterprises can generate jobs and
economic growth. Are you really so far out of touch with
reality or are you just glazed over with greed? As you feast
at the trout and you avoid the hungry eyes of children in
KwaZulu-Natal and the Eastern Cape who are eating sand and
boiled grass and who will never know the taste of a piece of
chicken or meat or the better future promised to us all when
we stood in never ending queues in April 1994 to choose peace
over war and freedom over tyranny.
That hope was crushed. One failed economic policy after the
next.
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What will they say about four or more million US dollars or
63 million rand hidden in a furniture of the President, whose
poverty Cabinet lets them starve?
The Financial Action Task Forces warned South Africa that it
needs to improve the prosecution of financial crimes. If there
is insufficient progress by October, we will be placed on the
grey list of countries that pose the risk of the international
financial system. This will have dire consequences on the
ability of our banks to transact internationally and on
incoming capital flows. A symptom of a failing state.
Government can intervene in the event of a market failure, but
it should not cause that failure. The failed Black Economic
Empowerment model distorted the labour market by restricting
access to jobs on the basis of race and prevented private
business from operating efficiently by enforcing rent seeking
arrangements in the name of transformation. [Applause.]
The unconstitutional practice of cadre deployment meant that
incapable politically connected cronies mismanaged the public
service to the point of collapse. Public Sector Wages
spiralled upwards on the back of political patronage.
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During the International Monetary System, IMS’s recent visit,
we discussed our growth’s prospects and they reported their
concern over public debt. The Public Sector Wage will end
Eskom. No power, no growth. Eskom has piled up a mountain of
debt that bond investors find very attractive because of its
perceived risk free premium yields. They must understand that
it is not risk free, unless it is specifically underwritten by
government and then there is still risk of default as public
debt shifts upward.
Government cannot borrow our economy into sustainability. Debt
repayments are appropriated first and crowds out spending on
the basic service that government was elected to deliver.
Provincial allocations are reduced, while bloated national
departments get higher priority. We have a young population
and a culture of entrepreneurship that government policy has
failed to leverage.
Without decent education, all of that potential talent is
lost. Our big and growing informal economy contributes to our
lower growth rate and reforms to increase access to finance
than simplifying registration and regulatory requirements for
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new firms can help them grow and bring them into the tax net
overtime.
Our economy needs investment capital to grow. Local business
and foreign investors are holding mountains of investable
cash, but will not invest it because they do not trust
government. Domestic savings needs to be encouraged and the
best way to do this is to reduce the tax burden on hard
working South Africans. Tax is theft, when government
mismanages and steals the people’s money. Hard working
taxpayers whose money is wasted and stolen would have every
right to withhold it. This Bill is not appropriated
efficiently and we do not support it. Thank you, Chairperson.
[Applause.]
Mr M N PAULSEN: Hon Chairperson, may I start off by saying
that the rejects this Appropriations Bill. The Appropriations
Bill is the Money Bill that is introduced by the Minister of
Finance and Parliament passes it to allocate money to national
departments and state-owned entities. When we debated previous
Appropriations Bills, we demonstrated that the National
Treasury austerity programme is not sustainable. All these
budget cuts have an impact on the lives of our people.
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It is unfortunate that the Parliamentary Budget Office and
Financial and Fiscal Commission, who are supposed to work with
the Standing Committee on Appropriations to consider the
proposed Appropriation Bill and make necessary amendments have
turned into National Treasury cheerleaders.
Our society is facing a deep-rooted problem of gender-based
violence, GBV, and is in serious of a well capacitated Police
Service, and because of budget cuts the SA Police Service,
SAPS, had to cut about 600 staff. Thohoyandou Police Station
has one of the highest GBV reported cases, but the police
station does not even have clear processes for helping victims
of gender-based violence when they come to report. The so-
called gender-based violence desk at police stations, do not
have necessary capacity or resources.
We personally went to the police station in Nyanga and it is
not there. What is shocking, is that as Parliament, we passed
the Criminal Law Forensic Procedure Amendment Bill and the
Cyber Crime Act, all of which will need money. What budget
cuts?
The National Prosecuting Authority, NPA’s, budget is being cut
by more than R400 million purposefully. Even though calls have
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been made for a stable funding to deal with high-levels of
case backlog.
The people of Hamanskraal in Gauteng, Giyani and Musina in
Limpopo and many other areas do not have dependable and clean
portable water. The people of the Northern Cape and the Free
State continue to be subjected to bucket toilets.
The Department of Employment and Labour is failing to build
the capacity to lead the government’s drive to create jobs,
but the department failed to spend R584 million in the
previous financial year. There is no suggestion that the
proposed budget will make any difference.
Instead, some in the ruling party believe that the government
will solve the unemployment crisis by depending on the private
sector to create jobs. It is not going to happen.
We have budget cuts in the Department of Social Development
even when our society is dealing with deep-rooted social
problems and there is a need of social workers. The SA Social
Security Agency, Sassa, is closing more and more social grant
pay points leaving many in the rural areas stranded. They must
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spend the money they do not have to go and withdraw their
social grant.
When we stand up here and reject these proposed budgets, we
are not objecting to service delivery, we are objecting to the
senseless budget cuts.
Hon Chairperson, in addition to budget cuts, we must still
deal with a Bill that is missing critical funding areas. We
have a shortage of teachers in schools and a high teacher
learner ratio, but we still do not have a budget allocated for
reopening of teacher colleges.
We have a shortage of nurses in clinics and hospitals, and
public health care has collapsed, but we do not have a budget
allocation for reopening of nursing colleges
There is no funding for Technical and Vocational Education and
Training, TVET, colleges. There is no funding for free higher
education, despite all the promises. There is no funding to
address housing, roads and water infrastructure backlog. There
is no funding for sports, arts and culture. Despite calls for
funding to revive school’s sports and ensure equal gender pay.
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We need to do away with rubberstamping Treasury budgets and
look at the needs of our people, to pass an Appropriation Bill
that will change the lives of our people. Until that happens
the EFF rejects this Appropriation Bill. Thank you very much.
[Applause.]
The TEMPORARY CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Thank you, hon
Paulsen. I now recognise hon E M Buthelezi. Hon E M Buthelezi?
Not available. I now recognise hon Singh. You have extra work
today.
Mr N SINGH: Thank you, hon Chairperson. I’ve just been to Home
Affairs and it was the swiftest job that they have done in
changing surnames ... [Laughter.] ... to Buthelezi.
Hon Chairperson, in the words of Jean-Baptiste Karr, “The more
things change, the more they stay the same”. It is true of
this debate on Appropriations, albeit that some line items
have been reduced and others have received an increase. What
is telling is the fact that austerity is not written within
this budget. It appears that our government is unable to trim
the fat when it comes to superficial items that do not serve
the greater population. What is even more telling is the fact
that the developmental priorities in building a capable state,
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eradicating poverty and closing the gap of inequality, is not
embedded within the Appropriation Bill.
When I echo the words, the more things have stayed the same, I
can confidently pull a Hansard report on all the
Appropriations debates held in this House since the First
Parliament and you’ll see that very little has changed. It is
for this reason that to this day the local sphere of
government has been marred in corruption and those who have
continued to steal from the state have been treated with
impunity. To this day, monies have been cut to local
governments, although it can be argued that this sphere is
closest to the people in delivering on the needs of
communities countrywide.
We have continued to neglect local and rural development, and
therefore we continue to neglect the most pertinent needs of
our people who are suffering in abject poverty and are
suffering homelessness.
It would be an indictment on this government if expenditure
items are being sent back to National Treasury when millions
go hungry and even more people suffer the dire consequences of
fruitless and wasteful expenditure.
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Others fill their pockets with the monies of the state, whilst
others have nothing to fill their bellies with at night.
Monies that are wrongfully spent or even stolen from the
public purse are all monies that could lift our people out of
poverty.
South Africa needs a hand up and not a handout. What South
Africans want is to be and feel safe in their country, and
they want to be financially secure and cushioned from
corporate and state greed. We must ensure that government
sticks to this Appropriation sheet and by the financial year
books must balance if we are to effect real and meaningful
change in the lives of our citizens. Having said that, we
support this Bill.
However, hon Chairperson, I would like to raise another issue
that deals with appropriations and that is the transfer of
funds from national government or Treasury to provinces, to
compensate them for infrastructure damage inflicted during the
floods. It’s a matter of concern that up to now the monies
have not been transferred and we seem to see that there is
some disjuncture in the way both the provinces and the
National Treasury seem to be dealing with the matter. Whilst
we recognise and must emphasise that all money spent must be
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fully accounted for and must be granted within the prescribed
prescripts of the Public Finance Management Act, it is not
acceptable that service delivery, the restoration of
infrastructure and restoring the lives of people who have been
homeless due to all of this, is not done expeditiously. So, we
would urge National Treasury and the Minister to ensure that
there is no more talking past each other but talking to each
other between national and provincial governments.
The TEMPORARY CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Thank you, hon
Singh. You’ve become a reliable substitute. I now recognise
hon Wessels from the FF Plus.
Mr W W WESSELS: Hon Chairperson, the biggest question is what
is South Africa? Is South Africa a developmental state? Is
this Appropriation Bill and the budget developmental in
nature? Let’s look at the characteristics of a developmental
state.
Firstly, there should be a developmental ideology. It should
prioritise development. Now, as the ANC government you talk
development. That’s true. However, do you actually prioritise
it or do you prioritise your own corruption, your own stealing
and your own priorities above that of development?
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Secondly, government leaders should advance this ideology and
follow a determined economic strategy. Is there a determined
economic strategy? Do you know? Because it’s Patel versus
Trevor Manuel with the developmental plan versus the economic
growth plan, and that is how it has been forever. There is no
clear determined strategy. You don’t know what your economic
policy is. Not even the ANC ... in your organisation knows.
Thirdly, institutional capacity should be there. Is there
institutional capacity? No, because business cannot even
obtain a simple trading permit.
Then there should be, and this is very important, a
meritocratic appointment of officials, but no, you have a
cadre deployment system. You appoint people on everything
except on merit. You don’t appoint people to actually serve
the people out there. You appoint people because they are your
cronies.
Then, public servants should be neutral. Are public servants
neutral? No, because they are appointed in Luthuli House, and
that’s why you are not a developmental state. You are more of
a welfare state, but you are also not a welfare state because
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in a welfare state, education is prioritised. So what are you?
What is this budget?
No, hon Buthelezi, it’s not that we don’t want service
delivery when we say this Appropriation Bill is wrong. We want
service delivery, because whilst 40% of South Africans are
hungry, you protect your own. You spend money on the wrong
priorities. Let’s look at the crime rate ... an increase of
22%. However, let’s look at the budget. The budget increases
VIP protection ... the protection of your Ministers, with
8% but the police budget increases with 4,5%. How is that the
correct priorities? How can it be? An amount of R3,5 billion
... spent on VIP protection whilst people are murdered and
people are hungry. That is why we reject this budget. That is
the problem with this appropriation.
Afrikaans:
Maar die ANC juig en die ANC juig oor hierdie begroting, maar
eintlik is hierdie begroting ... [Onhoorbaar.]
[Tussenwerpsels.] ...
English:
The TEMPORARY CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Hon Wessels, just
take a seat. Hon Papo, you are not going to do a running
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commentary. The speaker is on the podium. Go ahead, hon
Wessels.
Mr W W WESSELS: I enjoy that, so carry on. Corruption does not
know colour. You are absolutely correct. However, you are
colour obsessed. You are obsessed with the past, hon Buthelezi
and not with the present, with the present people suffering,
with people not having access to education, with a shortage of
teachers, a shortage of health officials, yet, you spend money
on the wrong priorities. Admit to the problem. Admit to the
actual inefficiencies within the organisation of the ANC and
in the inefficiencies of government, and then we can get
somewhere. However, repeating the same rhetoric year in and
year out ... [Inaudible.] [Time expired.]
Mr S N SWART: Chair, the Appropriation Bill proposes a total
vote allocation of R1,57 trillion, which excludes the direct
charges of R902 66 billion for this financial year. Now,
thankfully, the economic outlook has changed significantly
since February’s Budget and the ACDP welcomes the higher than
expected 1,9% gross domestic product, GDP, growth in the first
quarter of this year. However, it must be noted that that is
the final quarter of last year’s Budget. That increase comes
amidst high inflation, rising interest rates and soaring fuel
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prices in this financial year, which are weighing heavily on
businesses and consumers.
Rising inflation is hurting lower and middle-class income
households and negatively affects the country’s
competitiveness and financing costs. Subsequent further
negative developments in the second quarter from 1 April have
created new significant downside risks to the growth outlook
and these factors include the global economic fallout from the
protracted Russian-Ukraine war, the economic effect of the
KwaZulu-Natal floods, persistent load shedding and heavier
borrowing costs for businesses and consumers as the Reserve
Bank’s interest rate rising cycle continues. Let us not forget
that a weakening currency also has a devastating impact.
Together, Eskom and Transnet present the most serious threat
to much-needed economic growth in the country, with load
shedding and challenges on freight rail and ... [Inaudible.]
... at ports causing massive congestion. Of course, as we
know, the country should be benefitting far more from the
commodity boom but rail and port challenges have largely
stymied this potential.
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Of even further and greater concern is that about two thirds
of South Africa’s 257 municipalities are in financial distress
and require assistance from National Treasury. According to
the outgoing director-general, the Treasury cannot cope with
the situation. Members, listen carefully. The Treasury says it
cannot cope with the situation. Of the 257 municipalities in
the country, about 170 are in dire financial distress and need
Treasury’s involvement.
Now, the Appropriations committee’s comments in this regard
are telling. It states that it has, on numerous occasions,
engaged with the Department of Co-operative Governance and
Traditional Affairs and the SA Local Government Association,
Salga, in trying to understand the financial and operational
challenges in order to find solutions to these challenges. It
is concerned about constantly recommending that the
appropriation of funds be given to local government when these
funds are not helpful to poor, indigent households and are not
helpful in alleviating the distressed situation of these
municipalities. The ACDP agrees. The country is no closer to
finding solutions for these distressed municipalities and it
is deeply distressing that National Treasury itself says that
it cannot cope. I thank you.
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Mr B N HERRON: House Chairperson, uniting South Africans of
all races and classes around a common programme to eliminate
poverty and reduce inequality, encourage citizens to be active
in their own development in strengthening democracy and in
holding their government accountable, raising economic growth,
promoting export and making the economy look more labour
absorbing, focusing on capabilities of both the people and the
country — capabilities including skills, infrastructure,
social security, strong institutions and partnerships both
within the country and with key international partners —
building a capable and developmental state and strong
leadership throughout society that works together to solve our
problems.
House Chair, these are the key objectives of South Africa’s
National Development Plan, NDP, 2030. According to the NDP, by
2030 there should be a reduction in the number of people who
live in households with a monthly income below R419 per person
to zero. We have seven more budget cycles to go to achieve
these objectives which are set out in one of the only
documents that almost universally unite South Africans. If we
are going to achieve these objectives, our budget has to align
to an implementation plan; the budget cannot be business as
usual.
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Last week during the Presidency budget debate we were reminded
of a horrifying media report of children eating sand in order
to survive in parts of Kwazulu-Natal. The President has twice
spoken of his fruitful engagement with opposition parties last
week, and in that meeting I implored the President to re-
examine our country’s spending priorities. I shared my own
experience of a visit into an informal settlement in Nyanga in
Cape Town where I met a young man who slaughters cats and dogs
to survive.
House Chair, none of us can ignore our collective failure to
address a level of poverty and food insecurity that forces our
fellow South Africans to eat sand or slaughter domestic
animals or someone’s pet in order to survive. We have no
choice but to re-examine our budget and spending priorities,
and to budget for the most basic food we need first. We have
to conduct the most difficult budgeting task ever. We have to
strip our budget back to bare bone — to zero — and rebuild it
making sure that our right to sufficient food, water and
social security are secured. Before anything else we have to
secure the social security of our people.
The first thing that should go into our budget is universal
basic income or basic income grant so that no one is forced to
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eat sand or dogs and cats. The former Minister of Finance
committed our Treasury to zero-based budgeting but we haven’t
heard much more about this since. Food, basic income, water
and health care are rights; they are not gifts, they must be
prioritised in our budget because they are the most basic
things a human being needs to survive.
It is too late for this budget, but we urge the Minister and
Treasury to go back to that promise to introduce zero-based
budgeting and implement it. We cannot continue business as
usual if we are to turn this around and achieve our NDP
objectives. Thank you.
Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Hon House Chairperson, I sit here sometimes
and listen to some of my colleagues when all they do is attack
and attack. What I find very funny is that some of them that
are in governance in different levels of government in the
country attack but don’t look back and look at the weaknesses
in the areas where they govern and the quality of life that
the people live in these particular areas.
In order to boost economic growth in this country we need to
create jobs. In order to create jobs, we need to create a
conducive environment. I have said this time and again that we
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cannot create jobs if we allow the imports of goods at the
rate they are coming in ... [Inaudible.] ... not competitive,
together with the difficult working conditions, the stringent
labour conditions in the country and the fact that our local
people cannot compete with the imports that are coming into
the country.
The second thing is that the number of people that migrate
because of the lack of development in rural areas to be urban
areas which impacts in the urban areas themselves, and you are
not planning to accommodate this. That is the other people. It
is not the responsibility of the state to create jobs but it
is for them to create a conducive environment in the private
sector to actually create jobs. Let me give you a good
example, I heard the Minister talk about Russia and Ukraine
... [Inaudible.] ... yet, South Africa has such beautiful land
with all the necessary resources. Lesotho has just taken
advantage of cannabis growing and hemp, South Africa is
lagging behind with that. We have beautiful land to create and
grow our own weed, yet we choose not to do that.
Let us look at the quality of education for the skills in this
country. Basic education is not preparing learners for higher
education. Technical and Vocational Education and Training,
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TVET, collages have 60% dropout, and let me tell you why.
There are no control measures in place. These learners that
are coming in are partying weekend after weekend and paying
very little to no attention to their studies. That is why
there is a dropout of 60% in the first year of TVET collages.
That is the other reason why you are not dealing with the
skills needs of the country, and you have to import more and
more skills into the country.
We talk about gender-based violence. I cannot understand why
we continue to blame the police department for this. It is not
their responsibility; they are supposed to be preventing
crime. It is the socioeconomic conditions; the availability of
grants, the high unemployment rate, the poor living spatial
living conditions of our people almost living on top of each
other, no proper roads, no electricity, no water in some of
the areas. These are the root causes of gender-based violence.
No man is born a murderer or a rapist. The question we need to
ask is how they became a rapist or a murderer, when and what
went wrong in ... [Inaudible.] ... In this country 78% of
black fathers are not in the lives of their children, and we
are expecting a child to be brought up in a normal way in an
abnormal society and expecting them to be productive and to
... [Time expired.] ... Thank you very much.
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Mr O M MATHAFA: House Chair, hon members, South Africans, I
greet you in the name of Monty Motaung, George Mahlangu,
Solomon Kalushi Mahlangu, who on 11 June 1977 bravely planned
to give the 1976 upraising a befitting first year anniversary
and thereby giving the struggle for our liberation more
impetus.
House Chair, let me state from the onset, the ANC support this
report. The support is motivated by the fact that, the budget
remains very distributive in nature and takes the needs of the
most vulnerable of our society into cognisance and act
accordingly.
Secondly, the Bill response to the priority areas as
identified in the state of the nation address, the Medium Term
Expenditure Framework and the Economic Reconstruction and
Recovery Plan. This is seen in the more than 50% allocation
for the social wage against the total consolidated expenditure
of about R2,2 trillion.
Hon Singh, it is not accurate to say that the most vulnerable
and poor are neglected in that particular budget. The total of
R257,001 billion appropriated to the Department of Social
Development with R96,6% or R684,4 billion of this destine to
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reach R18,6 million social grant beneficiaries. It is correct
that the effects of Covid-19 are still with us and the
President together with the Minister of Finance committed to
extend the Social Relief of Distress Grant until March 2023
and for this R44 billion is allocated.
On agriculture, House Chair, the Department of Agriculture,
Land Reform and Rural Development receives an allocation of
R17,287 billion. A welcome increase of R367 million. The
sector supported the economy by contributing 13,4% in 2022,
8,3% in 2021 and employs 860 000 with potential for more
growth.
In this allocation, R1,2 billion both to agricultural
research, for food security and research related thereto. This
intervention is in line with the Economic Reconstruction and
Recovery Plan priority intervention No 8, strengthening food
security to continue giving life to the purpose and object of
the Restitution of Land Rights Act of 1994, the Commission on
Restitution of Land Rights will receive R3,7 billion a short
in the arm for land restitution claimants. A plight of
emerging farmers for government support in addressing their
challenges is addressed with the Comprehensive Agricultural
Support Programme, namely, cash allocation of R1,2 billion.
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As the ANC, we urge Cabinet to look at ways and means of
speeding up payments for hemp and cannabis and also to ensure
black farmers and retailers in these products are not
marginalised.
Over the weekend, Chair, farmers like Elekanyani Muthogane, a
black female entrepreneur and owner of a company Khanokhethwa
from Centurion in Gauteng, the company produces raw cannabis
blast, cannabis sweets, skin care products and famous raw gene
name genius have to forgo valuable revenue due to market
barriers that still exist from historical ownership patterns
over our economy.
In her relating her story to me about the barriers that exist
in the farming, producing and selling of cannabis products,
she states that some instances black entrepreneur like herself
have to give up their intellectual property and products
formulas as payment in kind to laboratories and distillers
into emerging entrepreneurs not having the means to pay for
the fees charge in the market. And also having to compete with
the international capital which has identify South Africa as a
place to use for export.
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The R400 million allocation to the Agri-Industrial Fund for me
should give hope to Elekanyani and others particularly those
in the Eastern Cape and KwaZulu-Natal that the ANC government
has put agro processing in the centre of developing
competitive economic viable activities in agro processing.
House Chair, Priority 2 in the Medium Term Expenditure
Framework, MTEF, calls for economic transformation and job
creation. As the ANC, we are encouraged by the improvement in
the quarter 1 unemployment rate from 35,3 to 34,5 in the first
quarter compared to quarter 4 of 2021 showing that the
government Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan, ERRP,
interventions are bearing fruits. Hon George this is proof
that we do plan and we do to apply our actions to the
direction which is given by the President depending
strategies.
As such, the R9 billion allocation to the Presidential
Employment Intervention aiming to create 514 000 short term
jobs for the financial year 2022-23 and R9,4 billion in the
financial year 2023-24 is squarely in line with ERRP priority
area of mass public employment programmes.
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House Chair, youth employment remains one of the country’s
biggest challenges. In response to this challenge, the
President in his state of the nation address given account of
the progress made through the introduction of the Presidential
Stimulus Programme, which saw 850 000 of opportunities being
supported and the SA Youth Mobi Platform growing to
2,3 million young South African users. As such, the committee
welcomes that additional R18,4 billion allocations are for the
Employment Stimulus from the Presidential Intervention
Programme together with the R76 billion allocated for job
creation programmes.
In conclusion, on small business support: To support small
business, the Bill introduces new business bounce back scheme
with a commitment of R15 billion to small business loan
guarantees. This will be facilitated through participating
banks and development finance institutions. And given the
failure of the previous loan guarantee scheme, we are really
pleading with the stated financial institutions to do
everything in their powers to ensure that the bounced back
scheme succeed.
Over the MTEF period, the Small Business Enterprise
Development Agency plan to support emerging 10 500 SMMEs and
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co-operatives to be competitive in local markets and creates
17 500 jobs within the SMMEs ecosystem. To achieve this target
expenditure is expected to increase at an average of 2,9%
annually as compared to the previous two financial years.
Once again hon Chair, the ANC support this report. I thank
you. [Applause.]
Mr M G E HENDRICKS: Thank you very much, hon House Chair. Al-
Jama-ah support this budget. Hon House Chair, we are looking
forward to examine all the items in the budget to find where
we can access funds so that the youth can tell us that we have
provided for them. It is no good having a pro-poor budget if
you don’t at the same time have a pro-youth budget.
So, Al-Jama-ah, we are sure that many line items that we can
use to meet the aspirations of the youth because they are
saying young people died for us in 1976. What is there for us?
You remember that in 1976, hon Chair, South Africa for the
first time had TV and what happened in Soweto was on the
screens in Cape Town.
And Cape Town soon afterwards also started to protest. So, in
Cape Town we need to tell the youth what is in the budget for
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them. And I am very excited because Al-Jama-ah has already
identified several areas where the youth can be assisted with
co-operatives and they can use those co-operatives to take
their families out of poverty. I see hope for the fast-
tracking of claimants ... [Inaudible.] ... District 6. The
Deputy President lobbied for more allocations for land reform.
I didn’t waste my time to bring him to District 6. So, Al-
Jama-ah will lobby for a full return in two years’ time, not
four years. Deputy President, you delivered. Thank you very
much, hon House Chair.
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Thank you, hon
Hendricks. I now recognise the DA, hon Sarupen. Just before
you start, hon Sarupen, the platform on which you normally
stand is here. Should they bring it?
Mr A N SARUPEN: I will be fine. Thank you, Mr House Chair. I
don’t need the boost today. Thank you very much.
Mr A N SARUPEN: Hon House Chair, last week Monday we woke up
to a letter from the President who told us that the temporary
reduction in the fuel levy was unsustainable. And if the
President is so deeply concerned about the fuel price for
citizens, I suggest he look into his heart and into his couch
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and reach down there, he might find a dollar or four million
to help the rest of us out.
But, the away the President and the government describes this,
they use the term fuel price relief. It is not relief, because
the government is not subsidising fuel. They are reducing the
tax on fuel.
But they portray it as something it is not, because the
government doesn’t understand its social contract with its
citizens. The government views South Africans as people who
have to work for the state, who owe everything to the state,
and whose income belongs to the state. They do not care about
how much is left at the end of each month for families to buy
food, to pay for water, to pay for transport and to pay for
electricity.
On the topic of electricity, this budget is now the fourth
consecutive year of annual bailouts for Eskom, with
R20 billion. However, this is the same government that, since
load shedding started in 2007, has increased electricity
prices by 520%. They do not care about how families will pay
for electricity at the end of each month, as they see the
citizens job as having to work for the state.
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This budget provides R150 billion in direct finding to local
government, but this government has left 61% of municipalities
in a dysfunctional state. They do not care that their cadres
have stolen all the money that should be used for providing
water or repairing potholes. They don’t care about the cost of
replacing tyres or repairing cars from pothole damage, because
they think the citizens work for them.
And lastly, this budget will pay for more in debt service
costs than it will for any individual set of public services.
Let me break this down, for every rand that is spent on
police, R3 will be spent on debt. For every rand that is spent
on Sports, Arts Culture and Recreation combined, there will be
R25 spent on debt. For every rand that is spent on social
security funds, R3,50 will be spent on debt. And why are we in
this situation? Because over the last 12 years, the government
has done nothing but borrow money, only to allow the Guptas
and other state capturers to steal it. And do they care?
[Interjections.] Do they care? No, because they think the
citizens job is to pay for their mistakes.
And the fundamental problem with this budget, the budget in
process, the public participation and so on, is that we have a
government that is unaware that the social contract they spoke
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about at the start of the speech is at breaking point. As
citizens suffer with hyper-inflation and this hyper-inflation
is triggered, as the ANC keeps singing to us, by the war in
Ukraine. A war which they are doing nothing to prevent and
actually prop up in some ways. They don’t understand that
South African Citizens cannot be hacked at and squeezed for
more and more money.
South Africa needs reform and for that to happen it is now
apparent this government needs to leave. So, I am very
grateful that we only got two years left of this and we got
two years left of having to oppose these budgets, which the DA
will oppose today, so that we can finally get some reform in.
So, we don’t need to listen to the ANC speakers telling us
that we oppose transformation, the way they were telling us
over the last 10 years that when we were standing up against
state capture, we are opposing transformation, or as to cry
wolf here, we don’t need to do so; we don’t need to listen to
these hollow empty platitudes as we have about two years left.
The DA oppose this budget. Thank you very much. [Applause.]
Ms E D PETERS: Hon Chairperson, hon Ministers and Deputy
Minister who are here, hon members, the young people of South
Africa, ...
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Setswana:
Batjha
English:
... let me quickly remind hon Wessels that there is a saying
in English that the empty vessels make the most noise.
[Laughter.] Also, from where I come in Galeshewe, they say if
you are forever ...
Afrikaans:
As jy gedurig so kwaad is, sal jy vrek van hartseer.
English:
So, I want to say to him that he must just relax a little bit
because he is too cross for anybody’s liking.
Afrikaans:
Hy is meer kwaad as Eugene Terre’Blanche.
English:
So, I want to say to hon Sarupen, we don’t expect anything
from you and that is why, today, you can actually show that
you have nothing to say. Immediately, you indicated that you
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have run out of ideas. The EFF has nothing to raise. They are
here thinking that for them ...
Setswana:
... ba tshwanetse go dula e le batho ba ba lwang.
English:
They think that they are fighting because they are an
opposition. Being an opposition does not mean that you have to
fight; you have to oppose with concrete ... [Interjections.]
... input.
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Hon Peters, please,
take your seat. I see that you have brought some vooma, but I
want to ask the members to please ... [Interjections.] ... so
loud. Go ahead. We want to hear the speaker.
Ms E D PETERS: I just want to say to hon George, he comes here
and delivers a speech that his great grandfather was supposed
to deliver during the apartheid time.
I want to ask the EFF, how do you say all or nothing? There
must be services that get rendered in this country. So, whilst
we are dealing with the challenges of this country and the
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remaining vestiges of apartheid, we need to be able to deliver
services.
This being the 46th anniversary of June 16, allow me to
preamble my debate by borrowing revolutionary words from the
former President of the ANC.
Mr B A RADEBE: Chairperson, on a point of order: I know that
it is allowed for people to heckle here, but the speaker is
being drowned out. We cannot even hear what she says.
[Interjections.]
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Hon Peters, take a
seat. Please, complete your order, hon Radebe.
Mr B A RADEBE: I was referring to the running commentary that
is coming from the other side that must stop. [Interjections.]
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Hon Peters, sit down.
I will ask you to stand down. Your order is sustained. Hon
members, I repeat, heckling and interjections are allowed, but
let us not run commentary, whilst the speaker is on the
podium. Hon Paulsen, please rise. I am on the platform as a
Presiding Officer, I am making a ruling ... [Interjections.]
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Hon Paulsen, hon Paulsen, I did not ask you to speak. Hon
Paulsen, I am asking you and I will not repeat this. I am
asking you to conduct yourself as a member in this House to
not ... Hon Paulsen, sit down! I will not repeat this. Thank
you.
Ms E D PETERS: This being the 46th anniversary of June 16,
allow me to preamble my debate by borrowing revolutionary
words from the former President of the ANC, Comrade O R Tambo.
This is a tribute to the fearless young people of 1976, and I
quote:
Teargas, bombs, bullets and guns were the redress they got.”
He continued to say, and I quote again: “Since then, no less
than 1 000 of the cream of our people have been shot down in
cold blood in the streets of our towns and cities and in the
far-flung villages. Thousands are held in Foster’s presence.
The systematic murder of patriots of South Africa continues
behind the secrecy of these prison walls.
Tambo used these words addressing the UN National Assembly in
October 1976. The struggles of these martyrs cannot be
complete until the last vestiges of apartheid and new
colonialism are dealt a fatal blow.
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This Appropriation Bill is an attempt by the ANC to deal with
the stubborn remnants of that brutal system that O R Tambo was
reporting about to the UN. It is a tribute to these young
people that the Appropriation Bill allocates R29,6 billion to
Basic Education and R136 billion to Higher Education and
Training. This is on top and above the resources allocated to
Basic Education through the provincial equity share.
The ANC understands that the foundation of all successful
nations in the world is their investment to human capital
formations. No substitute for education. That is why the
consolidated government expenditure on education is about
24,3% of the total MTEF allocation.
We welcome the allocation of R29,56 billion to Basic
Education, which is 10% higher than the previous year. This
allocation will, among others, provide for Mathematics,
Science and Technology teaching, the Education Infrastructure
Grant, the Accelerated Schools Infrastructure Delivery
Initiative, the National Schools Nutrition Programme, and
early childhood development.
The infrastructure spend will contribute towards economic
recovery and to the provision of employment opportunities. The
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R49 billion National Skills Fund, NSF, allocation is most
welcomed. Setas are increasing their allocation for the
missing million - R1 billion this year, an increase from about
R700 billion last year.
Infrastructure spend in the Department of Higher Education and
Training, DHET, is R7,5 billion, which will, among others,
help student accommodation and also the building of a new
university campus in Giyani Limpopo. The biggest beneficiaries
of this targeted expenditure will be the sons and daughters of
the poorest of the poor and they EFF and the DA say they must
not get that money for the university.
When the opposition says that they are not supporting the
budget, they are basically saying no to NSFAS, no to ECD, no
to the provision of accommodation for these children. They are
saying that the children of the poor should not go to school
and not be provided with food. We as the ANC are saying,
indeed, the doors of learning and culture are being opened.
The health system of our country proves to be resilient. This
is despite the fault lines in our health system, which again
still shows the apartheid legacy.
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Covid-19, an unknown virus, wreaked havoc, not just in our
country, but throughout the world. We have lost over 100 000
people to the virus. This has resulted in many orphans, widows
and widowers. As you know, Covid-29 also puts breaks on our
economy and this led to higher rates of poverty, unemployment,
starvation and worsened inequality. Despite the fact that this
was a shock never budgeted for, by the end of March 2022, R42,
billion had been spent on fighting Covid-19.
Resources were mobilised through the reprioritisation and
higher than anticipated revenue collection. We join the
Minister of Health, Joseph Phaahla, in saying that this
pandemic has thought us a lot, but the biggest lesson is that
when we work together, when we pull in the same direction as a
nation, nothing can defeat us. Standing together, we are
strong.
We are also saying that, while vaccinations have given us some
respites, we dare not lower our guards. We must be vigilant.
We must always be on the lookout. The total budget in the
Appropriation for the Department of Health is R64,5 billion.
About R55,5 billion will be transferred to provinces, as
provincial grants to strengthen the health system in the
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provinces through infrastructure ... [Inaudible.] medical
interns and for community service doctors.
This budget to the national department is not the full story.
The full story is the consolidated expenditure in health is
R259 billion in the current year. This is our investment in
the health of our country.
Payment for capital assets is R1,4 billion. This is meant for
construction, maintenance, upgrading and rehabilitation of
health infrastructure. This is very important, because it also
positively affects our ERIP initiative. This also provides
jobs for our people. In this Appropriation Bill, there is an
allocation of R7,4 billion to provincial health departments to
support their fight against Covid-19. We urge the departments
to use our resources both intellectual and physical to enhance
local production. Our scientists outperformed themselves with
them discovering the Omicron variant of Covid-19.
We would like to see departments promoting increased local
production and procurement. Let’s manufacture as many drugs in
our country as possible. By doing so, we will be contributing
to more job creation, economic growth, better revenue
collection and a better life for all.
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It is important that the drugs that we use are actually
produced locally, so that our people can get the jobs and when
they get the jobs, they can then be able to invest in a better
life for themselves and their children and have a robust body
can withstand diseases.
So, those who are opposing this Bill are saying nurses should
not be paid, doctors and interns should not be paid. They are
saying that it is wrong to build hospitals and clinics. That
is what it is. I hope the people of South Africa are listening
to you, hon Paulsen.
The Department of Mineral Resources and Energy, led by hon
Mantashe, gets R10,34 billion from the appropriation. This is
a 10,4% increase from the previous year. In the Sona address,
amongst the priorities that His Excellency President Ramphosa
mentioned was, and I quote: “the rapid expansion of our energy
generation capacity”. This was echoed by the Minister of
Finance, hon Godongwana, when he said and I quote: “Our first
and immediate task must be to ensure sustainable energy
supply, reduce the risk of load shedding and accelerate the
transmission to renewable energy resources.”
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You may also want to add that it is also imperative that we
get all households connected to the grid. It is a pity that
the DA never talked about the sins of apartheid, as far as
keeping our people in perpetual load shedding. For the white
minority government, it was normal for them that the majority
of our people in townships and rural areas did not have
electricity. It is heartening that in the past year, more than
666 000 households were electrified, 45 000 households will
have solar over the MTEF.
It is important for South Africans to know that there are
initiatives to deal with electricity security. In the past
year, to deal with this challenge, the following happened: 200
municipalities are participating in the Energy Efficiency and
Demand Side Management Grant Programme, 1 850 megawatts from
bit window 4 of the renewable energy IPP producers programme
were connected to the grid, 2 600 megawatts of renewable
energy from bit window 5 are expected to be connected to the
grid within 24 months. There are many other initiatives, which
are collectively expected to add 13 000 megawatts.
To allow private-sector generation and allow diversification,
government gazetted 100 megawatts embedded generation. Nersa
has registered six generation facilities with a total capacity
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of 24 megawatts. I told you megawatts, not mega heads.
[Laughter.] [Interjections.]
We are happy to recommend the passing of this Bill to allow
this department to continue its work. The R10,4 billion
allocation to the department will assist the department to
procure R2 500 megawatts of nuclear energy by ... [Time
expired.] You can drown me out, but I have delivered my
speech.
The ACTING MINISTER OF FINANCE: Hon Chair, hon members, fellow
South Africans, may one take this opportunity to first thank
the Chairpersons of the Portfolio Committees both in
Appropriation and Finance for the diligent work done in
processing everything until we are where we are.
Our Appropriation Bill is unique as it is part of our social
compact which binds us together as society. It is indeed an
agreement that our spending as government must be to the
benefit of all South Africans yet still protect the most
vulnerable fellow South Africans.
Hon Chair, the Appropriations Bill was tabled in Parliament
together with the national budget on the 23rd February 2022.
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Since the tabling of the Appropriations Bill, we have
collectively approved the fiscal framework, approved the
Division of Revenue Bill and now we need to approve the
Appropriations Bill. And I must thank the hon members for such
a robust and exciting and illuminating debate that has taken
place.
We have had from political parties represented in this august
House. We have heard from the Parliamentary Budget Office, the
Financial and Fiscal Commission. We’ve heard from the people
of South Africa and presentations made to parliamentary
committees and thank the chairpersons again. They have also
been various Budget Votes where departments have outlined how
they are spending plans will realize their priorities. We now
stand ready to approve, hopefully so this Appropriation Bill
on behalf of the Minister of Finance.
What is being proposed is appropriation of money from the
National Revenue Fund, for the requirement of the state for
2022-23 financial year through the prescribed conditions, for
a spending a funds withdrawn from 2020-24 financially year
before the commencement of the Appropriation Act for 2022-24.
financial year. Again ... [Inaudible.] ... to provide for
matters incidental.
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Hon Chair, having thanked members for the robust debate, I
thought it is not a mistake that some of the hon members
tended not to affirm or acknowledge what they know as the
economic indicators that move in the positive direction in
this country. Be it the 1,9% growth, first quarter 2022, be it
the increase in consumption expenditure of 1,4%.
I will jump others and go to one other significant one, the
capital fixed formation which is increased by 3,6%. And of
course, positive indications from rating agencies that have
been reportedly sent through. And all these indicators ... To
say this government has got no clue in what it is trying to
do. You must divorce these indicators from the following. That
the President pronounced a R100 billion over ten-years to
unleash the economic infrastructure from the private sector,
so as to leverage on the blended finance.
You must divorce this from the fact that the Minister Finance
proposed R17,5 billion going forward in the Medium-Term
Expenditure Framework, MTEF, for infrastructure. You must also
divorce this from the R1,8 million committed to unlock R138
billion infrastructure. Which is taking place all over the
county be it in ... [Inaudible.] ... Gqeberha, Aberdeen,
around Tshwane and a number of other areas. These are seven
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major projects. To say this government has got no clue you
must divorce these indicators from these interventions.
Again, if you deal with the phenomenon of austerity, hon
Chair, as repeatedly over years, which I call now, a chronic
pronouncement by the EFF. I have realized that maybe the
problem is not that the budget is austerity. Maybe the problem
is to educate the EFF about the concept of the social wage
because more than 52% of our budget goes to social wage. And
we have never gone less than this. To say this an austerity
budget, from the numerical point of view, you know, you will
not make sense. But maybe from understanding the meaning of
social wage we can succeed to find one another.
And again, you will not ignore the fact that ... For you to
say, with these indicators, this government again is out of
tune, this government has demonstrated that Economic Cluster,
Security Cluster, Governance Cluster in particular, array ...
[Inaudible.] ... platform to turn around the economic
challenges of this country. That also finds expression even in
the budget. In the MTEF, no less than R7,4 billion goes to
Security Cluster. Maybe just to pick up one figure of R1
billion going to the justice section, National Prosecuting
Authority, NPA, in particular. All these are the interventions
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of the government, which for you to be able to say it’s out of
tune, you must divorce these interventions from these positive
indicators.
Remember, an increase of R3,6 in fixed capital formation, this
is a positive development with regard to productive capacity
in the country. Because those are tools for production mainly.
When rating agencies say our ratings are improving, again,
those are factors that improve conditions for investment in
the country. All those issues are positive indications, which
is difficult to dissociate from these interventions. Just in
2020, hon Chair, during the Sustainable Infrastructure
Development Symposium, out of 50 gazetted projects 29 were
reported to be under implementation, which amounted to no less
than R119 billion. And the very symposium last year, 55
projects were added in totality, having an amount of no less
than R500 billion in the capital space investment space. So,
all I’m saying is that all these are indications of a
government that is actually demonstrated that it is at work.
This government has also understood from the social
expenditure ... That find expression in social expenditure
that whilst you implement these other projects, which have got
medium and long term impact, our people in the meantime, must
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continue to have the minimum plate on their table. The R44
billion therefore, of Social Relief of Distress Grant, SRD
Grant, for 12-months, extending from the covid period is a
response to that. Even the intervention, by the President of
no less than R18 billion, in this financial year to employment
stimulus, riding on the success of last year, of no less than
500 000 people being employed and 60% being young people. All
these are interventions of government.
Then you must say these interventions have no relationship
with this positive indication before you can say this
government has got no clue. Only when you succeed, to make
sure that relationship doesn’t exist, then we are aligned to
your view.
Having said all that, may I take this opportunity again, to
thank all of you, hon the members, the stewardship hon Chair
in ensuring that a healthy debate which our democracy is at
bastion of continued as usual. Thank you, hon Chair and
looking forward to the adoption of the Appropriation Bill, as
tabled. Thank you very much.
Debate concluded.
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Bill read a first time (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom
Fighters, African Christian Democratic Party, Freedom Front
Plus and United Democratic Movement dissenting
Agreed to.
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Mr Q R Dyantyi): Hon members, before
we proceed to the next item just to take you back a bit to
item five the second reading, just in case it was not properly
recorded, the second adjustment Appropriation Bill has been
read the second time and the Bill will be sent to the NCOP for
concurrence. I thank you hon members.
As I call upon my next Presiding Officer, hon Ntombela, we are
now going to proceed. The time now is 12h45, I’m told lunch
was scheduled for 13h00 ... Unless you have a request.
Alright, with that hon members can then resume the business at
14h00. Thank you, the business is suspended until 14h00.
Business suspended at 12:45
Business resumed at 14:00
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CONSIDERATION OF VOTES AND SCHEDULE
(Appropriation Bill)
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon members, let me
first thank the parties for advising the staff on which votes
they will make declarations and record their objections as
well as which they intend dividing on. This information will
be of great assistance for the day.
I will put each vote and I will call those parties that have
requested to make declarations according to their submissions.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: House Chair, just a point of
clarity, where would you like the members to make the
declarations from, from theirs seats or should they come to
the front table?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): It’s actually up to the
members. We don’t usually use the podium for declarations of
vote but it is up to the members.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Thank you very much.
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): This is how the process
will be hon members. I will put each vote and ask for
declarations of vote as they have indicated. Members who are
in the chamber may make declarations of vote from the floor of
the microphone or the podium and those on virtual platform
will be recognised based on the list submitted by parties. I
will then put the vote for decision.
Hon members are reminded that in terms of rule 108(5), a
global time for declarations of vote has been agreed upon and
parties will be allowed to make declarations as per the agreed
time allocation.
Once a party has exhausted its allotted time, it will no
longer be recognised to make further declarations.
For divisions, bells will be rung for five minutes and one
minute thereafter and 15 seconds thereafter for further
divisions. For the first division after the break the bells
will be rungs as I’ve just said.
Hon members let me assist you as we start this process, there
are parties that did not indicate whether they will be
declaring or objecting but you now have the opportunity to
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approach the NA table and record if you wish to do so. We do
not want to leave anyone out although we had requested that
things should be done in time because if I’m not told by the
table staff that you have registered, that opportunity will
not be given because the time that we allocate for these
orders will be affected if we do not do that.
Mr N L S KWANKWA: House Chair?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Kwankwa?
Mr N L S KWANKWA: House Chair, how are those of us who are on
the virtual platform going to go about informing, in case
whatever we submitted does not reach the NA table for an
example? How are we going to attend to that challenge?
IsiNdebele:
USIHLALO WENDLU (Kkz M G Boroto): Ungipha ikinga wena Tshawe.
Ungipha ikinga nje uyawazi umthetho lo ukhona umnyaka
nomnyaka. Sihlala siwulandela qho.
English:
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Please try and find somebody from Mr Xaso’s office or anyone
else from the table staff to do that because this is not the
first time we do this and it’s not only coming in today.
Mr N L S KWANKWA: Thank you Chair.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Thank you.
Mr W M THRING: House Chair?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Okay hon Thring?
Mr W M THRING: Thank you House Chair. I did have my hand up
for quite some time and you may not have seen it.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): I’m sorry, I think my
staff has not logged in as yet. Please log in so that you can
assist me.
Mr W M THRING: House Chair just a point of clarity on the
virtual platform that we are struggling to hear, particularly
the members of the opposition, hon Mazzone included. So if we
could ask that they either sit down closer to their
microphones when they are speaking because it is really
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difficult to hear what they are saying on the virtual
platform. Thank you.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Thank you. I think this
is not the first time we talk about this and we hope that when
we return in August all microphones will be placed at the
correct length for people. It does not augur well when you are
speaking in this House and then you are seated. So, those who
are in here, if you can please try to come to the podium and
speak from the podium. It’s not that we are forcing you to
stand but because of the microphones you have to sit but if
you feel you can sit and talk it’s fine.
IsiNdebele:
... kodwana ayihlali kuhle ngombana kuba kwangathi asinayo
ihlonipho begodu asazi bonyana senzani lapha ekhaya.
English:
But anyway, it is fine. Let them come to the podium if
possible because it is difficult to speak when the microphone
is too far from you. I know that. Let’s clarify everything,
are we clear because ...
IsiNdebele:
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... ingaduma iyakhamba.
English:
Are we fine? Okay. I will now put vote 1.
Vote No 1 – Presidency Put
Mr N SINGH: Hon Chairperson, at which stage will you require
declarations?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon members, I thought
it’s a change of mind because nobody said they want to
declare. I will call those parties that have requested to be
recognised to make declarations then I’ll go back to vote 1.
Declarations of Vote No 1:
Prince M G BUTHELEZI: Hon Speaker and hon members, allow me
first to thank his Excellency the President for his commitment
to talk me to seek the approach more after the vicious attack
launched against me by the hon premier of KwaZulu-Natal Mr
Sihle Zikalala.
In last week’s debate, the hon Chief Whip of the ANC the hon
Pemmy Majodina quoted mama Winnie Madikizela-Mandela’s book
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titled 491 Days. Perhaps Chairperson I should quote from the
book as a timely reminder. Mrs Madikizela-Madela wrote and I
quote;
Buthelezi was one of the greatest fighters in his day, he
was entrusted with fighting the system from within. And
that is what the people do not know.
The premier may plead ignorance but only a fool refuses to be
educated.
Hon Chairperson, in the absence of any opportunity to ask and
get answers of the details of this budget, the IFP cannot be
expected to tell South Africans that it is sound.
In the three years prior to lockdown, traveling have systems
within the executive support services were curbed and now
there is more travel than ever before, perhaps because the e-
Cabinet system enables the executive and support self to work
from anywhere.
Accordingly, the expenditure on computer services has grown to
925%, policy and research has sky rocketed and travel costs
have increased. We appreciate the President and Deputy
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President for forfeiting a salary increase this year. We
admire that in solidarity with many who lost their livelihood.
The President’s salary bump now is from R2,9 million to
R5,1 million and that is rather jarring particularly when the
Independent Commission for the Remuneration of Public Office-
Bearers actually recommended a million rand less.
Perhaps all this is necessary ... [Inaudible.] ... but we are
not afforded the opportunity to ask. Thank you.
Mr N L S KWANKWA: Thank you very much House Chair. House
Chair, partisanship and duplicity have no room in the office
of the President of the Republic of South Africa for they
contradict the essence of existence like Caesar’s wife, the
President must be above and beyond suspicion.
Going to last week Thursday’s Budget Vote on the Presidency,
the UDM gave the President the benefit of the doubt and had
hoped that he was going to use the budget vote to deal
comprehensively and honestly with the allegations of
taxabation, money laundering and defeating the ends of justice
against him.
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Unfortunately, in our view, the President failed dismally to
do so and in light of this we cannot with a clear conscience
support this budget vote. Thank you Chair.
Sesotho:
SEPHADI SE KA SEHLOOHONG SA MOKGA WA BONGATA: Modulasetulo, ha
ke lebohe sebaka le motsotso ona. Ho bohlokwa hore re
tshehetse tekanyetso ena ya Moporesidente bakeng sa ho
ntshetsa pele le ho tshireletsa Molaotheo ka nako tsohle ka
kakaretso.
Ntate Moporesidente le ofisi ya hae, ba shebane le boikarabelo
ba setjhaba le ho ntjhafatsa setjhaba. Ke ka lebaka leo ANC e
tshehetsa kgetho ya pele ya Moporesidente ...
IsiXhosa:
... ukuqinisekisa ukuba urhulumento lonke lusengela thungeni
linye, ukuze abantu bakowethu baphuhle.
English:
The evidence of an over aching role of coordinating
government’s work and building a social compact among social
partners in order to achieve the national development
objectives has been brought before the National Assembly
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committees on a quarterly basis and we therefore have the
evidence of progress assessed against each budgeted programme.
Hon House Chair, we as the ANC still maintain that, let the
law take its course, let us allow the law enforcement agencies
to deal with the matter that has been reported by Mr Fraser
and not interfere at this current moment.
IsiXhosa:
Masiwuyeke umthetho uthathe indawo yawo. Sima apha siluxhasa
olu hlahlo lwabiwo-mali. Enkosi.
Agreed to.
Vote No 2 - Parliament Put
Declarations of Vote:
Mr N L S KWANKWA: Chairperson, as this House is already aware
that we wrote to Speaker of the National Assembly asking her
to inquire into the allegations I’ve mentioned in the previous
budget vote. Unfortunately, once again we feel we are of the
view that this House has missed an opportunity to properly
hold the President accountable and exercise its oversight role
in terms of the Constitution.
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And because this House consistently fails to do so and has
been consistently failing to do so since the last term and
continues to do so even now when given an opportunity to
devise ways and means in which we can ensure that we hold the
executive to account. For those reasons, we cannot support the
budget vote. Thank you very much.
Mr X S QAYISO: Thank you very much House Chair. Parliament’s
budget vote is about whether Parliament’s transformation
project is on track and whether we have the necessary
financial resources to do the work.
Our role is one which understands that oversight is continuous
and in which there is a reinforcing working relationship
between the legislature and the executive ensuring that the
government policies and programmes are implemented effectively
and efficiently.
On Parliament’s budget, we have stated before that the current
arrangement is unsustainable and Parliament must be part of
determining its budget, internal priorities and alignment of
its needs.
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The current issues that create a shortfall in Parliament’s
budget must be addressed before the February 2023 budget.
There remaining line items in the Parliament budget which
Parliament has no say over and are the causes of the shortfall
in Parliament’s budget.
We call for the speedy resolution of these matters with the
National Treasury to enable Parliament to have a budget that
addresses the actual needs of the institution. The ANC
supports vote 2.
Question agreed to (Democratic Alliance, African Christian
Democratic Party, Economic Freedom Fighters and United
Democratic Movement dissenting).
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 3 - Co-operative Governance – put.
Declaration(s) of vote:
Mr I M GROENEWALD: House Chair, the ANC government has
established a clear and distinctive footprint throughout South
Africa. Local communities and provincial residents have no
difficulty in recognising the evidence of ANC rule in our
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towns and most of the provinces. The ANC footprint is one of
the potholes, with dilapidated infrastructure, a breakdown of
basic service delivery and general decay.
The Department of Co-operative Governance and Traditional
Affairs could not come up with a single successful
intervention at either the provincial or municipal government
level. Not one. On 29 May, the MEC of Finance in the North
West said a majority of municipalities are in such a financial
crisis that the provincial government had to intervene. These
municipalities normally continue to adopt unfunded budgets
against every prescript of the Municipal Finance Management
Act. In the current budget process, it has become clear that
municipalities such as Matlosana, Rustenburg and J B Marks are
also following the same route. These municipalities which are
the economic hubs of the North West are deteriorating daily.
The ANC footprint of decay and destruction is spreading at a
steady rate. Job losses and disinvestment by small, medium to
large businesses due to incompetence and a spirit of self-
enrichment of the local ANC administrations are the order of
the day.
Legislation passed in this House is supposed to protect our
communities from the greedy government but is blatantly
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ignored by the ANC-ruled municipalities. As a matter of
course, it is clear the ANC have no respect for the
legislation, the rule of law or the interest of the citizens
of South Africa. They are effectively governing against the
people of our country. The ANC footprint of decay is of
noncompliance and can only be the fault of the ANC and no one
else. Thank you.
Mr B N HERRON: House Chair, if the various fires, droughts and
the most recent KwaZulu-Natal flooding crisis have taught us
anything, is that our preventative methods, as well as our
disaster risk management, are not up to the standards we
require. The COVID-19 pandemic was not the first of its kind,
nor will it be the last that we struggle to find solutions to
global disasters in their various forms. It is imperative that
we improve our disaster management infrastructure and
planning. No human being deserves to have their lives thrown
into turmoil from circumstances out of their control.
But our core function as the government is to be the champion
of the people who go through such a harrowing ordeal. With a
rising population, depleting resources, and undeniable climate
change, one can expect that there is an inevitability of
another crisis perhaps even worse than that experienced in
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KwaZulu-Natal. It is time for the department to manage its
disaster risk management in a way that protects and makes its
citizens the priority. This is not a fund that should be
tampered with defunded or forgotten but should be a
preventative measure between life and death. The fund aids in
supplying basic needs, not luxuries to those who have lost
everything. Our hope for the future and our children's future
is the only thing that no one can take away from our citizens.
Let us be a champion of that hope. Thank you.
Mr A M SHAIK-EMAM: House Chairperson, a report by the civil
society group Corruption Watch reveals that municipality
managers commit the most corruption in local government.
Corruption Watch makes this claim on revelations based on more
than 5 000 whistle-blowers that have reported cases of
corruption within local government to the organisation since
its exception in 2012 until the end of June.
In its 9-year existence, Corruption watch has received almost
33 000 whistle-blower reports, 16% of which represent
allegations of local government corruption. The highest number
of allegations of corruption in local government, a record
number of 857 were received in 2020 alone. Now, this is during
the time of COVID-19.
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So I think what I am saying here is corporate governance must
do a lot more, first of all, to ensure that we have the
capacity in these municipalities. That the people that are
employed are best able to do the job. And then we need to
ensure that those that are tasked with the responsibility of
delivering services do it with the highest level of ethics and
morals. Coming to that, I am talking about the value for money
that we are not getting from the local government which is
resulting in billions of rand being lost. Measures must be put
in to ensure that we get value for money and no one unduly
enriches themselves. We will support this. Thank you very
much.
Mr B M HADEBE: House Chairperson, I rise on behalf of the ANC
to support Budget Vote No 3. This budget fundamentally
responds to the State of Local Government report by funding
the Municipality Support and Intervention Plan which has been
developed to assist 64 dysfunctional municipalities and 30
municipalities currently under section 139 intervention.
The newly remodelled Community Works Programme which provides
short-term employment, transfer of skills and development in
poor communities is the apex priority of this budget. This
demonstrates the government’s commitment to resolving the
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triple challenges of unemployment inequality and poverty as
outlined by the National Development Plan.
The budget also supports the implementation of the District
Development Model, one plan for 44 district municipalities and
seven metropolitan municipalities. This will foster practical
intergovernmental relations to plan, budget and jointly
implement to provide a coherent response, maximise impact and
align plans and resources.
We are also encouraged by the commitment to the infrastructure
development management support in the midterm, responding to
water and sanitation challenges in our communities. The ANC
supports the Vote. Thank you.
Division demanded.
The House divided.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): The Speaker had
determined that, in accordance with the Rules, a manual voting
procedure would be used and that the whips would conduct a
headcount of members in the chamber and on the virtual
platform for the purpose of ascertaining quorum and voting.
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A quorum being present in terms of Rule 98(1), voting
commenced.
AYES – 232: (ANC – 218; IFP – 10; Good – 2; NFP - 1; Al Jama-
ah – 1).
NOES – 117: (DA - 74; EFF - 29; FF Plus - 9; ACDP – 4; UDM –
1).
Question agreed to.
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 4-Government Communication and Information system-put.
Ms N NTLANGWINI: House Chair, on a point of order: You can
never call the FF Plus and all of those smaller parties before
us. It is first the DA and then the EFF. Then you can call
those other ones ... [Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms G B Boroto): Hon members, listen.
IsiXhosa:
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Mr N L S KWANKWA: Hayi, hayi Natasha, musa ukusigezela wena.
Tyhini!
English:
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms G B Boroto): Nqabayomzi, hold on.
Let me explain to the hon member. Hon members, this request to
submit was given weeks ago. The EFF did not submit and they
did it now. Should I just jump and go to the EFF?
[Interjections.] I even forget ... No, no, no.
[Interjections.] Hon member, don’t respond to me like that.
Hon member, we have an agreement that your Whips took in the
Chief Whip Forum. Hon member, please, don’t do that.
[Interjections.] Hon member, please. We do this to assist
ourselves and that is what I am going to do. I am going to
read it like that. [Interjections.] What is your problem?
Okay, let us proceed.
Question agreed to.
Vote agreed to.
Vote No 4-Government Communication and Information Systems –
agreed to.
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(Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front
Plus and African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).
Vote No 5 – Home Affairs – put.
Declarations of vote:
Mr F J MULDER: Hon Chair, the Department of Home Affairs is
currently competing for the first place or a possible runner-
up position in stealing the limelight for the most
dysfunctional department. The department failed its mandate as
the custodian, protector and verifier of the identity and
status of citizens and other residents in South Africa and is
staggering under the enormous backlog with the issuing of
passports and other travel documents.
Thus, the Department of Home Affairs has failed its mandate as
far as the regulating and facilitating of immigration and
movement of persons through the ports of the country is
concerned.
The department has also failed to adhere to the ruling of the
Constitutional Court three years ago, to amend the Electoral
Act to comply with the South African Constitution, in time.
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Extraordinary measures need to be implemented by Parliament on
an urgent basis. The FF Plus will not support the Vote 5.
Thank you.
Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Hon House Chair, I must reiterate that I do
not support those that say that Home Affairs is performing
dismally. I think there has been a lot of progress in Home
Affairs recently.
Let me tell you why I know. I know because I deal with them
all the time and I know their success. Yes, let me tell you
some of their successes. First of all, a tender that was going
to be awarded, Home Affairs, with the intervention of the
Minster, has stopped it, running into hundreds of millions of
Rands. That is the first success.
The second success is that every week without fail, buses
leave South Africa going to Zimbabwe, carrying passengers that
do not jump out of that buses without any documentation. The
Minister has intervened. Not a single one goes pass now. I can
tell you that, because I was the one who complained about it.
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Thirdly, let me tell you, work permits in this country have
been sold for R30 000 each. He has identified those who were
responsible. It is not happening anymore.
Fourthly, the issue of the passports - you know, the syndicate
that has been brought down. It is all through the invention of
the Minister.
Yes, there are challenges in the Department of Home Affairs.
It cannot be sorted out overnight. What we need is to ensure
that there are adequate resources and very importantly, the
ICT system needs to be dealt with. If you don’t sort these
problems out ... And yes again, the Minister has now called
for ... He is going to have those offices opened on a Saturday
as well, in order to be able to provide it.
My view is, let us support this Budget Vote, let us support
the Minister and his team, so that we can provide better
quality service. We support this. Thank you. [Applause.]
Ms T I LEGWASE: Chairperson, I rise on behalf of the ANC in
support of Budget Vote 5 of Home Affairs. All South Africans
are dependent on the Department of Home Affairs, because of
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its sole mandate to secure and manage official identity and
status.
The Department of Home Affairs services are divided into two
categories: civic services and immigration services. The
department’s mandate is to manage citizenship, civic status,
internal migration, refugee protection and the population
register.
Much progress has been made on the implementation of the
Border Management Authority, BMA. The BMA model will be
implemented at land, air and sea ports of entry. The BMA will
create a platform for proper co-ordination between government
departments.
We welcome the department’s fight against corruption and
encourage it not to relax its effort in ensuring a safer
country. The department set up a series for road blocks, in an
effort to address the challenges of undocumented immigrants
near the Beitbridge Border Post. This is also welcomed.
As we have said before, everyone who enters South Africa
legally will be welcomed. Once again, I rise to support the
Budget Vote. Thank you
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Declarations of vote made on behalf of the Freedom Front Plus,
National Freedom Party and African National Congress.
Question agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom
Fighters, and African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).
AYES – 233: (ANC – 219; IFP – 10; Good – 2; NFP - 1; Al Jama-
ah – 1).
Vote No 6 – International Relations and Co-operation – agreed
to (Democratic Alliance, Inkatha Freedom Party, Economic
Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front Plus and African Christian
Democratic Party dissenting).
Vote No 7 – National School of Government – agreed to
(Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front
Plus and African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).
Vote No 8-National Treasury-put.
Declarations of vote:
Mr M N PAULSEN: Chairperson, we don’t have a declaration; we
have a question.
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): No, no. I think that
there has been an agreement that there will not be questions,
but there will be declarations.
Mr M N PAULSEN: Okay, then, if that is how ... I will still do
it anyway. When Mr Cyril Ramaphosa, also known as Rama phala
phala, went to KwaZulu-Natal in April, after the floods, he
promised R1 billion to rebuild homes and critical
infrastructure. It is almost three months now and the National
Treasury is refusing to release the money. While the National
Treasury refuses to release the funds, people are sleeping in
halls with no food and water and cannot rebuild their lives.
Provincial and municipal interventions are poorly co-
ordinated, because they do not have any money. Municipalities
do not have the capacity to make applications for grants and
the Treasury failed to make the process practical and easy, to
ensure that the money is released on time.
Why is the National Treasury failing to release the promised
R1 billion? Did Mr Rama phala phala lie to the people of
KwaZulu-Natal about the R1 billion disaster relief? Thank you
very much.
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Mr B A RADEBE: Hon House Chair, on a point of order: I rise on
Rule 82 again, people cannot be given new names in this House.
[Interjections.] [Inaudible.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms G B Boroto): I heard him. Hon member
Paulsen, please, let us not give members new names. That is
Rule 82. We have to use the names that we know in the House,
please. [Interjections.] No, I don’t need your answer.
Mr M N PAULSEN: If it is relevant to ...
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms G B Boroto): No, I don’t need your
answer, hon Paulsen. Please, sit. It is just a warning,
please. Can you please switch off your mic? [Interjections.]
Mr Q R DYANTYI: Chair, on a point of order: There was a ruling
earlier on that point. There is a ruling. I hope there will be
no warning. There is a ruling that must be implemented. Thank
you.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms G B Boroto): Okay. I am sorry, I did
not know about that, but as I am here, I have warned the
member and should it be repeated in this House, there will be
consequences. Let me ...
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Mr N L S KWANKWA: House Chair, the South African economy fails
to deliver what it is ...
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms G B Boroto): Hon members, I cannot
hear. Even the order that was mentioned, I did not hear what
was said. That is why I allowed it to go that way. Please, I
must listen to every member. Hon Paulsen and hon Mfundiswa,
...
Afrikaans:
... asseblief.
Mr N L S KWANKWA: House Chair, the South African economy fails
to deliver what is expected of it. While we acknowledge that
certain fundamentals, to some extent, are in place, it is
equally true that the urgently required jobs and economic
growth are not materialising.
It is a fact that, since 1994, hundreds of thousands of jobs
have been destroyed and the formal employment shrinks at an
alarming rate. There are signs, as of late, that the South
African economy is held afloat by a potential that has not
been properly unleashed.
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In our view, the problem with the South African economy is
that, with the privatisation of SOEs, we are failing to
recognise that a responsible government cannot depend on
market forces alone and sit back while the economy and the
quality of life of all citizens are being destroyed.
In the final analysis, the needs of every South African are
rooted in the need for a decent job and a decent income, which
this government has failed to provide the past couple of
years.
We are of the view that, until we an economic clean up, it is
not possible for us to address all the economic challenges
faced in South Africa at the moment. Thank you.
Mr M G E HENDRICKS: Hon House Chair, the budget for the years
2022-23 has been approved. Al Jama-ah would like to thank the
hon House Chair for giving us an opportunity to make a
declaration on the Treasury’s slot.
It is Treasury that finally releases the money for every line
item of expenditures in all the Votes. So, Al Jama-ah feels
that it is making a declaration in the right slot.
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We want Treasury to, with haste, release money that will make
the youth feel that the sacrifices of youth of 1976, for them
in 2022, was worthwhile. Al Jama-ah will get the full pound of
flesh that Shakespeare wrote about in Merchant of Venice.
As a Member of Parliament, I am in support that Prof Haron,
Asha Alie, Gafsa and Fajeelah will find opportunities in the
Minster’s budgets that assist the youth to get funding for
projects to take their families out of poverty, to get their
full pound of flesh.
I have been invited to the after party of the Social
Development Ministry and I hope to get my full pound of flesh
for the youth, because that is what they are holding us
accountable for.
I don’t know if hon members know the song:
Afrikaans:
Mammie, ons gaan Paarl toe?
English:
Hon members do know that the hon member of the FF Plus asked
his Excellency President Ramaphosa if he hated Afrikaans. He
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must ask the hon members who are Afrikaners why many people
say ...
Afrikaans:
... maar julle is dan verengels.
English:
It is my constituency that keeps Afrikaans alive and the
Minister of Police will confirm that there is a lot of DNA
when he does these labs, found in nearly every Afrikaner
family.
Al Jama-ah is having 11 events to commemorate 16 June and the
Western Cape Parliament is funding the signature event in
Paarl where the Afrikaans Taal Monument is. There is no
indication of the struggle of the Black Consciousness
Movement. So, in Paarl we are going to unfold the untold story
of 16 June and its aftermath. So, I am asking Parliament, ...
Afrikaans:
... gaan julle ook Paarl toe?
English:
I am asking the nation, ...
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Afrikaans:
... gaan julle ook Paarl toe?
English:
That is the place to be at 10:00, at the Charleston Hill
Secondary School in Klein Nederburg and in time for the
documentary on 16 June, the untold story told by the community
of Salt River. For all of us who lived and experienced
apartheid, what happened on 16 June in 1976 in Soweto and the
solidarity marches and protests that followed on the Cape
Flats in townships such as Bonteheuwel, Salt River and Hanover
Park - the heroic struggles - remain embedded in our minds.
I am not sure if you remember that 1976 was also the year when
we got TV in our homes. So, what happened in Soweto spread
rapidly to Cape Town to the Cape Flats and we saw how young
learners were slaughtered.
Al Jama-ah honour the family of Christopher Truter, who lived
in Bonteheuwel, when he took up a seat in Parliament. Part of
his skull was split and his brains and tongue had to be pushed
back by his sister and paramedics, as they tried to save his
life. That photo is now on our T-shirts for 16 June.
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The Truter family and the Bonteheuwel community are aging
asking whether Christopher Truter died in vain and when they
watch on their TVs budget by budget and Vote by Vote, which
hon members are now getting to approve one by one, they may
see very little in the budgets that benefits the youth.
The youth of today is joining us in the commemoration, but
don’t see their legacy. I honoured the youth of Soweto by
publishing a ... [Inaudible.] ... book of most of the 500
iconic photos, the best on record, taken of the Soweto Rise by
Peter Magubane. I gave his Excellency President Ramaphosa and
other Ministers like hon Patricia de Lille a complimentary
copy. I ask them humbly today again to study the photos, if
they have not done so.
All Ministers must do so. I have two copies in my office at
Parliament Room 649. They must study it to be reminded of the
struggles and sacrifices of the youth and after studying it,
relook at their budgets and see if they have put in more than
previous apartheid government for the youth for the year 2022-
23.
We agree with the hon member that we need a political will for
socioeconomic reform and we acknowledge the National Youth
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Policy for 2030 and the Presidential Stimulus and Incentive
Scheme.
South Africa needs a pro-youth budget. Many of the political
parties are going to make declarations after me. Ministers
must find time to unpack the 40 Money Bills or more and tell
the nation if there are any direct benefits for the youth to
take their families out of poverty. If Ministers have not
provided that, they fall short.
Al Jama-ah has traversed the villages and towns to ask the
youth what they wanted from the 2022-23 budget. They told Al
Jama-ah they want government programmes for the youth to take
their families out of poverty. So, that is the initiatives
that we are embarking on.
Al Jama-ah does not want to see, proudly made in South Africa,
because that means that it is made by whites. We want to see
proudly made by the women and youth of South Africa.
The Minister of Social Development, hon Zulu, is on the right
track to achieve this and my parliamentary office is already
working with her officials. We are going to use the co-
operative grants that are available in the NDA to take
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families out of poverty, by establishing dress-making ...
[Inaudible.] ... carpenters. The target is 90 of them starting
in Lentegeur Mitchells Plain. to revive the clothing industry,
which the Ministry of Trade and Industry destroyed.
President Cyril Ramaphosa is now called on to cut, make and
trim, which the Department of Trade and Industry don’t like –
a localisation venture.
We are proud to announce that we are having 11 commemorated
events and it is a challenge for us when we are held
accountable for what is in the budget. We were in Melville
near Groutville last week for the first event and we got the
stern message from nearly 100 residents and elders that
something must be done to take the youth-led families out of
poverty.
The Albert Luthuli family has a hectare of land along the
river there and I don’t know if people in this House know who
Chief Albert Luthuli is, but he was a great man. He got the
Noble Peace Prize and they want to grow peanuts and then they
want to manufacture peanut butter.
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So, we are hoping that Ministers listening to this will come
to the party, like the Minister of Social Development has done
and tell the people of Groutville where Chief Albert Luthuli
was banished that this is what you have for them in the
budget. Youngsters, we understand that you want to take your
families out of poverty, here are peanut seeds and we will
provide all the assistance so that you can manufacture peanut
butter.
We also supported the careers day in Umzinto for 200 learners.
According to councillor Asghar Khan, our PR councillor, who is
Chair of the Municipal Public Accounts Committee, Mpac, these
youths wanted to know what will be in the budget for them to
pay for their registration fees for the institution of
learning. They also wanted to know what the appeal process is
when applications are turned down, because they hear of so
many applications turned down from people in the rural
villages.
Al Jama-ah has not taken the amend by the Minister of Justice,
hon Ronald Lamola, lightly that one has to be a pensioner to
be a President or Deputy President of South Africa. So, Al
Jama-ah is asking the question to the year 2022-23, do we have
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opportunities for the youth? How can they access positions in
government?
We know that millions of youth are unemployed, nearly 65%. We
are also having an event in Dimbaza where activists were
thrown into this desolate place in Kings William’s Town. Now,
there is an industrial park, but the Minister of Trade and
Industry has dump that community. The youth are asking Al
Jama-ah whether there will be money in the budget to revive
the desolate industrial park. There are so many job
opportunities there, but people call the Department of Trade
and Industry a lame duck.
This, I hope, is one of the first pro-youth budget speeches
ever and Al Jama-ah is proud to take the lead. The Ministers
... [Time expired.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms G B Boroto): Hon members, don’t do
what you have been doing. A party has the right to use
whatever minutes. Al Jama-ah has used their global 10 minutes.
We cannot stop them. It is their wish. So, don’t raise your
hands.
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Ms P N ABRAHAM: House Chair, the Budget Vote of National
Treasury is about providing the financial resources to support
the safe and strategic management of the nation’s financial
resources and to act as a centre to transfer funds to the
three spheres of government. It is this Budget Vote that
performs the critical functions of the provincial equitable
share, a significant portion of which is adjustment for the
compensation of employees, for the implementation of the
nonpensionable cash gratuity.
The Vote of the National Treasury has, at its core, the
financing of responsibilities for the sound control and
management of South Africa’s public finances. Sixty percent of
this Budget Vote has to do with provincial transfers. When
taken together with other transfers under different
programmes, it is this Budget Vote that can claim to
significantly redistribute finances, to ensure crucial
functioning of the state.
The review that National Treasury is undertaking with regard
to government’s macroeconomic policies in the global financial
crisis of 2008 to the present, must be welcomed. We need to
add that Parliament must be involved in this exercise. We
shall remain informed by our need for inclusive economic
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growth and a vibrant mixed economy of state and private
sector. The ANC supports the Budget Vote of National Treasury.
I thank you. [Applause.]
Vote No 9 –Planning, Monitoring, and Evaluation - put
Agreed to.
[Take in from Minutes.]
Vote No 10- Public Enterprises – put.
Declarations of vote:
Mr G K Y CACHALIA (DA): Chairperson, the purpose of the vote
is to drive investment, productivity and transformation in the
department’s portfolio of state-owned entities, SOEs to unlock
growth and more, and so the President tells us that, we are
firmly on track to implement the reforms outlined in the state
of the nation address. Slots are available to private rail
operators, and that we are on the cusp of a fundamental
transformation in the electricity sector and that Eskom and
the private sector is set to accelerate the embedded
generation projects and cut red tape
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We are also told that 68 projects with a combined capacity of
over 5 000 megawatts are being developed, even if we park the
SA Airways, SAA’s albatross and the dead dodo that is Denel.
With regard to Eskom and Transnet alone, based on the past and
the present, don’t believe a word, because the road to hell’s
darkness is paved with good intentions. The proof of the
pudding is in the eating. The reality is that more than 30% of
Eskom’s generation capacity has been offline due to unplanned
outages for the last four weeks and the average generation
fleet availability, so far this year, is only 59%, compared to
62% last year.
So much for Eskom’s Reliability Maintenance and Recovery
Programme, and in case you were wondering where the money will
come from for the bold new plans, it seems pretty unlikely
that Eskom will be able to take on any new debt unless its
current debt level has been reduced significantly. So spare us
the pipe dreams, and fix what you can, and privatise
aggressively now, in both Eskom and the crumbling Transnet, on
terms that will attract investors. There is no other way. We
cannot support this vote.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): The IFP. Oh you’re
here. The EFF.
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Mr M N PAULSEN (EFF): House Chair, you can never call that
dying party before the EFF.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): No, don’t refer to
dying parties, you may soon get there.
Mr M N PAULSEN: No, we are going to die here. Chairperson, the
disposal of 51% of government shares in SA Airways, is
continuing as a secret. In the meeting of SCOPA, the committee
members were told that the R51 sale to Takatso was above
board, and there is nothing wrong with it. But we know that
this is not too. We know that state-owned entities are
weakened so that the assets are sold to cronies of the ANC for
a fractional virial value.
We also know that, the plan to steep the strategic assets is
political, and seeks to perpetuate future of EFF government at
the mercy of the white capitalist establishment. Two burning
issues remain, and South Africans need to know. Is the sale of
51% of SAA share still ongoing? Has Takatso paid any money
towards the operation of SAA? If not, SAA is operational as we
speak, even though it is operating at a minimal capacity.
Surely, SAA is able to operate without Takatso, as it is doing
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now. Takatso brings nothing strategic to the table, it’s just
another ANC looting spree. We object to this Budget Vote.
Mr N SINGH(IFP): Thank you, Chairperson. I am making the
declaration on behalf of hon Buthelezi. Chairperson, we
certainly do not rejoice in the failure of our state-owned
entities. We have a duty to our country as members of this
House, to ensure that our entities such as Eskom, SAA and
Denel, do better, but they can only do better, when there is a
sufficient political will to do so, by our government.
The IFP has long held the view that these state-owned entities
need a total overall and funding model. We have on numerous
occasions suggested on this House that, the privatisation or a
public partnership model would work best to turn these
entities into profitable and sustainable companies. While the
suggestion remains ignored, the IFP will not support this
budget. Thank you.
Mr N L S NKWANKWA (UDM): Thank you very much, House Chair. An
independent evaluation report on SAA with all its subsidiaries
and assets, including routes aircraft, technical and aircraft
spares, duty-free aprons services and properties, will show
that 51% cannot be just handed over just for nil
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consideration. As you understand, SAA’s engineering division
alone, might worth at least R5 billion in assets and
intellectual property. The question therefore is, how much is
this 51% stake actually work for, or is it the true value of
SAA.
The other issue that we have always wondered is, why has there
been no complete transparency in so far as this deal is
concerned? What also concerns us greatly is that, not only
with SAA, but as it is the case with other SOEs, it seems to
be an agenda to destroy SOEs and privatise them so that the
Comrades in corruption, can actually be in line to benefit
from these SOEs, which is something we do not support and
something we do not agree with. It is exactly what Eskom is
experiencing at the moment, as is the case with other
entities. For those reasons, we are not going to support this
Budget Vote, Chair. Thank you.
Ms J TSHABALALA (ANC): Chief Whip, Deputy Chief Whip, House
Chair, the ANC supports the Appropriation Bill for the
Department of Public Enterprises. The work of the Department
of Public Enterprises, in so far as turning around the SOEs
shows positive results, and with the support of this
Appropriation Bill, more positive results will be visible.
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Transnet is currently implementing the Private Sector
Partnership, PSP, business model, to respond effectively to
the inefficiencies in the port and rail network, and this must
strengthen the competitiveness, operational, as performance
and financial sustainability.
With that said, I want to employ, hon Mr Bheki Cele, to really
come and assist with so far as the Booysens Metal, where there
is in the informal settlement, all they are taken by illegal,
rather people, that are doing illegal mining. So, the
community really needs your help, even Councillor Monyameni
will be appreciative if definitely, Ndosi, you can come down.
On the SAA, DA, we have constantly reminded Parliament that
aviation business had difficult area that the COVID-19
pandemic, had the devastating effect on aviation worldwide.
But the DA is deaf to good sense and blind to alternative ways
of dealing in aviation, and as SAA in particular.
The money appropriated to SAA is the amount needed to complete
the implementation of the business rescue plan. These are
legal obligation where money is required to pay creditors and
for unflown tickets and liabilities, let me repeat, these are
legal obligations that we have to repeat. Now, we are
fortunate that SAA survived, colleagues, business rescue,
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founded better partner and it is modestly chipping to the
skies. At the same time, SAA must be careful about the impact
of fuel prices.
Now, Mr Lees really tried to defend the majority white pilots
earlier in this process, now, you continue to undermine the
potential success of a unique restructuring as a state entity,
SAA will survive the activity and antagonism. On yourself, hon
Cachalia, similarly, Comair will go even on more difficult
process, with the devastating impact on staff. We have
extended our empathy with them, but what Mr Lees and hon
Cachalia don’t ask themselves is, what impact problematic
business decision such as deals with Boieng, have own
viability of the aviation in business?
This is what we really having to be dealing with, hon
Cachalia, privatisation, start to privatise the DA. We support
the vote.
Question put.
Division demanded.
The House divided.
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The House Chairperson, Mr C T Frolick, announced that, the
Speaker had determined that, in accordance with the Rules, a
manual voting procedure would be used and that the whips would
conduct a headcount of members in the chamber and on the
virtual platform for the purpose of ascertaining quorum and
voting.
A quorum being present in terms of Rule 98(1), voting
commenced.
[Take in from Minutes.]
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 11 – Public Service and Administration – put.
Declarations of Vote:
Dr L A SCHREIBER: Hon House Chairperson, last Friday the DA
did what this government, and specifically this department,
has steadfastly refused to do. We declared war on cadre
deployment corruption. The DA’s court case against ANC cadre
deployment is unprecedented. For the first time in our
democratic history, we have put the entire ANC on trial. We
have done so because we understand that this administration,
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led by a man who not only chaired the cadre deployment
committee but who stands accused of fraud himself, has no
intention to replace our corrupt and failing state with a
capable state.
In many ways this historic court case is not even really about
the ANC. This dying party and its corrupt practices represent
the past. Instead, with this court case, the DA has actively
started to build the future that will follow after the
collapse of the ANC in 2024. By outlawing cadre deployment
ahead of the next election, the DA will lay the foundation for
the success of the government we intend to constitute after
that election. Thanks to the action we took last week, the era
of reconstruction that will come after the collapse of the ANC
will be free from all forms of cadre deployment. In its place
will be a constitutional firewall that separates party and
State. This will make it illegal for any political party to
ever again perpetrate cadre deployment corruption and state
capture.
By outlawing this corrupt practice, the DA will ensure that
our incoming administration appoints all officials on the
basis of merit alone — know-how, instead of know-who. With
this case, the DA has demonstrated that we are not waiting
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until 2024 to shape the future we want for the country we love
so dearly. By declaring war on cadre deployment in all its
forms, the DA is positioned as the solutions-focused political
home for all South Africans who not only want an end the era
of ANC-engineered decline, but who want to ensure that the
country we build after the fall of the ANC is one we can all
be proud of. Thank you. [Applause.]
Ms M M NTULI: House Chairperson, the ANC supports Vote 11. The
Department of Public Service and Administration is responsible
for establishment of norms and standards in the public service
across all spheres of government. The department needs to fast
track the finalisation of the Public Service and
Administration Amendment Bill and the Public Service Amendment
Bill. The Department must also ensure that public service
regulations are complied with. Lifestyle audits in the public
service were implemented to ensure transparency and to cap the
plight of corruption. The department should ensure for
uniformity of the implementation of lifestyle audits in the
public service.
We therefore commend the department for having launched the
Public Administration Ethics, Integrity and Disciplinary
Technical Assistance unit to improve ethical and anti-
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corruption policy, strengthen ethical infrastructure,
discipline management and synchronisation of all three levels
of public administration.
Corruption and poor performance prohibits South Africans’
access to better services, and the ANC-led government is
fighting corruption in all its manifestation. I thank you,
House Chairperson.
Division demanded.
The House divided.
[Take in from minutes]
Question agreed to.
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 12 – Public Service Commission – put.
Question agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom
Fighters, Freedom Front Plus and African Christian Democratic
Party dissenting).
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Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 13 – Public Works and Infrastructure – put.
Declarations of Vote:
Ms S GRAHAM: Hon House Chairperson, this is the third budget
and annual performance plan that we have been asked to approve
in the Sixth Parliament. While the Department of Public Works
and Infrastructure is absolutely central to the functioning of
government at every sphere, it has been beset by problems,
scandals and disasters over the last three years.
Under the leadership of Minister Patricia De Lille, the
Department of Public Works and Infrastructure has lurched from
the Beit Bridge Washing Line debacle to the destruction of our
National Assembly by fire. From the ongoing battles between
the Minister and the Director-General of the Department, Sam
Vukela, who has spent over 2 years on paid suspension, to the
failure of the Minister to address the claims of abuse and
sexual harassment at the South African Council of Architect
Professionals.
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The land invasions on Public Works property in Knofflokskraal
in the Western Cape, spearheaded by members of GOOD in the run
up to the 2021 elections, placed the Minister in direct
conflict with her department. A fact she denied. It seems that
under her leadership, both her department and her party are in
crisis.
At every available opportunity, hon Brett Heron of GOOD has
demanded that the DA act with transparency in investigations,
appoint external investigators and widen the scope of the
current investigation dealing with sexual harassment claims
against a DA leader. Yet, in dealing with the allegations
against a GOOD MPL and a GOOD Deputy Mayor of sexual
harassment, skinny-dipping in front of party members and, I
quote, “acts of gehoerdery”, we are required to be satisfied
with a blanket claim of the confidentiality of their internal
processes. To quote the hon Heron, “The hypocrisy is
astounding”. At least the members of the Minister’s party now
have a use for the washing line – it seems it is needed to air
GOOD’s stinking panties. We do not support this Minister’s
budget. I thank you.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon members, order.
Order, hon members. I want to caution hon members on use of
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language. Even if you quote an outside source, you cannot
bring it in to the House. However, no party Whip objected to
the use of that language, but the language is inappropriate.
The ACDP? [Interjections.] Hon member of the DA at the back, I
have just made a ruling and you repeated it. Will you withdraw
that remark? [Inaudible.] No, you must get up and withdraw.
An HON MEMBER: I withdraw it.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Thank you. The ACDP?
Mr W M THRING: Hon House Chairperson, in the recent Budget
Vote debate of Public Works and Infrastructure the ACDP called
for an accelerated public and private partnership to unlock
the potential of property assets worth hundreds of billions of
rands. Shockingly, the department, as the largest property
portfolio holder in the country, is unable to leverage the
competitive and comparative advantage it has in the property
sector.
Billions of rands to be added to government coffers if due
consideration was given to this public and private partnership
to eliminate inefficiencies, corruption graft and
contraventions of the Public Finance Management Act, PFMA —
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all too prevalent in this department. To underscore this point
of the ACDP, one only needs to look at the debacle of the
Telkom towers purchased for R695 million in 2016 as the South
African Police Service, Saps, headquarters but has remained
empty for over five years. While some progress has been made
with the project, there are still numerous ongoing challenges.
Furthermore, the ACDP was the only party that called for an
external investigation into the R85 million Jersey Barrier
Wall Project along the South African Mozambican border. In
this regard, we welcome the investigation by the Special
Investigating Unit, SIU, into the tender irregularities at the
Kosi Bay Border Post.
The ACDP has continuously raised the important issue of the
state’s immovable asset register necessary to contribute
towards economic and social development and transformation of
the built environment. This mandate will never be accomplished
without a complete immovable asset register. The state cannot
unlock land and property for social and economic development
if it has no accurate record of what it owns. The ACDP does
not support this Budget Vote. I thank you.
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Ms L N MJOBO: Hon House Chairperson, the ANC supports Budget
Vote 13 of Public Works and Infrastructure. The ANC supports
the Appropriation Bill for Budget Vote on Public Works and
Infrastructure. The programmes and projects of the department
seek to optimise the value of the government property and
contribute substantially to job creation through the Expanded
Public Works Programme, EPWP.
This programme has created nearly a million jobs per annum and
will reach its five million jobs target over the Medium-Term
Strategy Framework period. The efficiency of the department is
expected to perform better through the implementation of the
10 areas of business improvement. Infrastructure South Africa
is geared towards playing a critical role in infrastructure
development as part of the Economic Restructuring and Recovery
Plan.
Reversing poverty, inequality and unemployment is important to
the people of the country, and therefore supporting the Budget
Vote of the department is supporting infrastructure
development skills and job creation. Thank you, House
Chairperson. The ANC supports the Budget Vote.
Division demanded.
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The House divided.
[Take in from minutes]
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 14 – Statistics South Africa – agreed to (Democratic
Alliance, African Christian Democratic Party, Economic Freedom
Fighters, Freedom Front Plus dissenting).
Vote No 15 – Traditional Affairs – put.
Declarations of vote made on behalf of the Inkatha Freedom
Party, National Freedom Party and African National Congress.
Declaration of vote:
Ms S A BUTHELEZI: Thank you, House Chairperson. The IFP has
consistently and adamantly call for the strengthen of co-
operation between traditional leaders and former government
structures. Traditional leaders speak on behalf of millions of
South Africans and they cannot play second ... [Inaudible.] in
the developmental agenda. The Presidency’s recent Budget Vote
speech on the Presidency held that we also sought to engage at
the Presidency level which traditional leaders to address
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their specific challenges including the issue of land and ...
[Inaudible.] and that the Deputy President will apparently
provide feedback on this process.
The lack of detail on such engagement is astonishing and we
submit that the government is simply paying lip-service to
this commitment. The department’s annual performance plan
reveal that guidelines have been published on section 24 of
the Traditional and Khoi-San Leadership Act providing details
on the partnerships between the government and traditional
leaders. However, this Act already came into operation in
April 2021. Why did it take more than a year for the
government to publish these regulations? Lofty promises of
involving traditional leaders mean very little. We need to see
clear commitments and actual involvement of these traditional
leaders.
Lastly, the IFP wishes to stress its deep concern over the
murder of traditional leaders in KwaZulu-Natal. We have been
vocal about brutal killings of these leaders and we submit
strongly that much more urgent intervention is needed from the
government. The time for promises is over we need the
government to act now. I thank you.
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Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Thank you, hon House Chairperson. Let me
start off by talking about the new Traditional and Khoi-San
Leadership Bill that was signed by President Cyril Ramaphosa.
Many people on the ground have raised concerns about this
particularly the fundamental rights in showing about the power
of unelected and predominantly male traditional leaders in
rural areas. We know that despite the fact that many of us
coming to this House and promote the interest of women
particularly, but we know in traditional areas and rural
areas, of course, women’s rights are violated because is a
male-dominated society. However, let me also raise a concern
that South Africa subscribes to the United Nations Declaration
on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, UNDRIP, and that is the
protection of indigenous people’s rights. The Khoi and San who
are and without any dispute, the first indigenous nation in
this country everyone white, coloured, black and everybody
came here after the Khoi and San were already here.
Therefore, I’m not saying there’s no work being done. A lot of
work has been done in this regard, however, not enough is
being done in this country to address the rights of the Khoi
and San people. It’s actually a slap in the face when we talk
about languages and many other languages are being introduced
but not looking at the Khoi and San language. Very important
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is the restitution of land, particularly if you look at what
is happening in the two rivers project down the road which has
significance to the Khoi and San nation where they have
actually had to go to court to stop the project. The National
Freedom Party wants to raise this concern that we think it is
time that we deal with the challenges that the Khoi and San
face. The NFP will support this. Thank you very much.
Mr G G MPUNZA: Thank you, hon House Chair. Hon House Chair and
hon members, the Department of Traditional Affairs informed by
the ANC policies has demonstrated its commitment to the vision
of a community development oriented institution of traditional
leadership. Since the promulgation of the Traditional and
Khoi-San Leadership Act No 3 of 2019, we have seen progress
from the department in terms of pursuing its objectives which,
amongst others, are to provide for the recognition of
Traditional and Khoi-San communities, establishment and
composition of traditional local house of traditional and
Khoi-San leaders and the development of the Customary Law.
Department through its budget will be able to strengthen the
progress in the ... [Inaudible.] resolution of the success in
dispute and traditional leadership. Stability in the
traditional leadership is ... [Inaudible.] in which we will be
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able to pursue social cohesion in our communities through
programmes aimed at creating awareness around gender-based
violence and femicide, xenophobia and other challenges which
affect the youth of our communities. This budget also creates
the basis for traditional and Khoi-San communities play a
greater role development. The ANC fully supports the budget.
Question agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom
Fighters, African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 16 – Basic Education – put.
Declarations of vote made on behalf of the Democratic
Alliance, Inkatha Freedom Party, Economic Freedom Fighters,
Freedom Front Plus, United Democratic Movement, National
Freedom Party and African National Congress.
Declaration of Vote:
Ms D VAN DER WALT: House Chairperson, quality education for
our children should always be a high priority as we invest in
their future and the growth of our country. It is, therefore,
important that the consideration of Vote and Schedule in the
Appropriation Bill doesn’t become here a ticking of the boxes
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exercise. The ... [Inaudible.] on investment in our children
must realise into opportunity whilst ending poverty and
unemployment.
We will achieve it if we have over 1 500 unqualified teachers.
No. We will achieve it if we have 24 000 teacher vacancies.
No. We will achieve it when many learners don’t receive
learning and teaching support material, LTSM, every year. No.
We will achieve it when the hike in petrol prices will cause
an increase in food prices and our children will suffer from
malnutrition. No. We will achieve it in overcrowded
classrooms. No. We will achieve it when 45% of our learners
drop out before matric. No. We will achieve it when the
greatest learning losses can be seen in the Foundation Phase.
No. We will achieve it if we ignore more effective better
catch-up plans. No. We will achieve it if our children can’t
read with meaning. No. We will achieve it if we continue to
ignore the importance of mother tongue education to all
language users. No. We will achieve it if we continue to
neglect our children with special needs. No.
We will achieve it with the rising teenage pregnancies. No. We
will achieve it if we pass the Bill ... [Inaudible.] which
seeks to centralise powers to politicians and officials just
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like the previous government school system. No. We will
achieve it when this Bill forces more administrative burden on
our teachers. No. We will achieve it if we remove the powers
of school governing bodies, SGBs, to determine the language
and admission policies of their local communities. No. Thank
you, Acting House Chair.
Dr S S THEMBEKWAYO: The Economic Freedom Fighters rejects Vote
16 for the Department of Basic Education as presented. Acting
House Chairperson, it was the architect of apartheid who once
said that black should never be shown the greener pastures of
education. They should know that their station in life is to
be hewers of wood and drawers of water. South Africa’s
education system even under a black government perpetuates
inequality, poverty and indignity characterised by crumbling
infrastructure, overcrowded classrooms and poor education
outcomes with unproductive obsession with Grade 12
quantitative results. For instance, a recent international
survey found that more than three-quarters of children aged
nine cannot read for meaning. In some provinces this is as
high as 91% in Limpopo and 81% in the Eastern Cape.
The Minister will insist that the Medium-Term Expenditure
Framework allocated of about R9 billion increasing by 4,9%
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from 2021 to 2022 overall allocation demonstrate the
department’s commitment. However, the department’s own
statistics show that out of 23 471 public schools, 20 071 have
no laboratories, 18 019 have no libraries, 16 897 have no
internet, 239 have no electricity and many more have
inadequate sanitation facilities. The gap in the tested scores
between the top 20% schools and then is enormous. The
department cannot even adhere to its own norms and standards
for school infrastructure that it took almost eight years and
pressure from Civil Society Equal Education to build a decent
school at Vukile Tshwete Secondary School in Keiskammahoek in
the Eastern Cape to finally have flushing toilets. Beyond
infrastructure challenges lack of sufficient transport in ...
[Inaudible.] and mostly black learners’ right to education
with learners walking over 3 kilometres even though Basic
Education and the Transport Department are required to ensure
transport is provided to Grade 12 learners who live more than
3 kilometres from schools.
The EFF rejects the budget in its current form and calls for
the review and reform of how the education budget is
distributed to achieve equitable access to education.
Supporting this budget will be supporting the repeated
failures of the government to address the issues of lack of
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accountability from a Minister who has been doing the same
mediocre jobs since 2009. The EFF rejects the budget because
conditions at Nyangilizwe Senior Secondary School in Mthatha
remains crowded without adequate sanitation. Putuma Junior
Secondary School in Mbhashe Local Municipality has worsen with
children forced to relieve themselves in the field because
there are simply no decent toilets. The EFF rejects this Vote
16. Thank you, Acting House Chair.
Afrikaans:
Mnr W J BOSHOFF: Agb Huisvoorsitter, in die dreowige paar
oomblikkies wat ek het om te praat oor basiese onderwys gaan
ek net op die Basic Education Laws Amendment, Bela, Bill
[wetsontwerp] konsentreer, omdat dit om sigself genoeg rede is
om teen heirdie begroting te stem.
Die Bela Bill [wetsontwerp] is uitgedateer.
English:
... it has been outdated before even has become law. It
ignores some realities, it ignores online schooling, it
ignores collaborative home-schooling, it ignores the fact that
people in education use curriculum from all over the world,
and it undermines one of the most important federal features
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of South Africa and that is a system of school governing
bodies governing schools rather than the state or the
department itself. The question is whether the Department of
Basic Education is ready to absorb the whole early childhood
development, ECD, system. Therefore, the conclusion is the ...
[Inaudible.] is the emblem of the failed state ideology of the
ANC which we reject and to end, I just want to say to the hon
Thembekwayo that the quote which just started the speech is a
false quote it has never been said.
Ms B P MBINGQO-GIGABA: Thank you very much, hon Acting House
Chair. I stand here on behalf of the African National Congress
in the Portfolio Committee of Basic Education to declare our
support for the Basic Education annual performance report and
the Budget Vote No 16. We submit this declaration few days
before we commemorate the 46 years anniversary of students
struggles against Bantu Education in June 16 1976. The
generation of 1976 was not only struggled against the use of
Afrikaans as a medium of instruction, but also access to free
quality education.
Hon Acting House Chairperson, the ANC government has live up
to the Freedom Charter injunction that the doors of learning
and culture shall be open to all. The department annual
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performance plan as presented demonstrates the commitment to
ensuring free quality and compulsory education. We have
welcome the decision that as from this financial year the
early childhood development centres will operate under the
Department of Basic Education to ensure that these centres are
not only a money-making schemes, but centres of learning and
preparation for Grade R. The African National Congress submits
its support for the report of the Department of Basic
Education and support the Budget Vote No 16. Thank you, Acting
House Chair. [Applause.]
Division demanded.
The House divided.
Acting Chairperson Ms R M M Lesoma announced that, the Speaker
had determined that, in accordance with the Rules, a manual
voting procedure would be used and that the Whips would
conduct a headcount of members in the chamber and on the
virtual platform for the purpose of ascertaining quorum and
voting.
A quorum being present in terms of Rule 98(1), voting
commenced.
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Ayes – 239: (ANC – 224; IFP – 12; Good – 2; NFP - 1).
Noes – 114: (DA - 72; EFF - 29; FF Plus - 9; ACDP – 3; UDM -
1).
Question agreed to.
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 17 – Higher Education and Training – put.
Declarations of vote
Mr N SINGH (IFP): Thank you, House chairperson. Students are
up in arms across our country demanding to be heard. Students
claim they haven’t received their accommodation allowances.
Others say that the institution’s failure to submit data to
National Student Financial Aid Scheme, NSFAS, harmed them.
Many students have been denied registration. Far too many
students remain financially excluded despite this government’s
commitment to free higher education, fee-free.
Chairperson, the situation countrywide at our various
universities and colleges remain tense. This can be due to
heightened frustrations of access, transformation and
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financial distress. I say that campuses have become pressure
cookers, and soon, if we are not to rectify the financial
lifeline promised our students things are going to pop off
countrywide. We must avoid such a student uprising. We must do
what is right and we must ensure that this budget is going to
be spent on the intended items outlined in the budget. We have
to support this budget because our students need to be
supported, but much more can be done going forward in this
department. Thank you very much, hon House Chair.
Ms K D MAHLATSI (ANC): Thank you very much, House Chair. I
rise on behalf of the ANC in support of Vote 17. The
Department of Higher Education Vote 17 has been one of the
rapidly increasing appropriations, particularly the allocation
for the National Student Financial Aid Scheme, NSFAS, funds in
universities. The increase in access to universities has
created an anomaly in the distribution of the vote, which is
largely skewed to universities while Technical and Vocational
Education and Training, Tvet, and the Community Education and
Training, CET, colleges are significantly underfunded. This is
an area that requires further assessment to ensure that our
skills development strategy responds to the various skills
needs of our country and our economy.
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The socioeconomic impact of our sector education training
authorities requires expansion and increased capabilities
recognising the level of youth unemployment in our country.
The Budget Vote of the department responds to social
challenges affecting students through higher health. The ANC
supports the appropriations to continue with the strides of
transforming our society and creating opportunities for all
South Africans to realise their full potential for education
or equal opportunities. We urge the department to also focus
on numerous transformational issues in the sector, importing,
nation building and social cohesion. We must indicate, Chair,
that 2022 has been much for a calmer year in as far as unrests
in institutions of higher learning.
Therefore, that is the indication that the department has been
doing quite well, though there are some challenges in terms of
the National Student Financial Aid Scheme, NSFAS, however, the
department spends 75% on its total allocation to the National
Student Financial Aid Scheme, NSFAS. Thank you very much,
Chair. The ANC supports.
Question agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom
Fighters, Freedom Front Plus, African Christian Democratic
Party and United Democratic Movement dissenting).
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The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M LESOMA): Hon members, I shall
not recognise an objection that is not before us. Hon members,
that will give us that the motion has been agreed to.
Ms E N NTLANGWINI: On a point of order, House Chair.
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M LESOMA): I have noted the
objection of the EFF, hon Ntlangwini.
Ms E N NTLANGWINI: But you said you will not entertain
objections which are not before you.
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M LESOMA): Hon Ntlangwini, is
that a point of order or you are just interjecting?
Ms E N NTLANGWINI: No, no, no, Chair, don’t do that. We have
given also to the House all of those Votes we are objecting.
Why are you saying you will not entertain the objections that
are not in front of you? Don’t do that. Don’t collapse the
House ... [Inaudible.] ...
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M LESOMA): ... hon Ntlangwini,
hon Ntlangwini, thank you very much. We shall proceed.
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Mr N L S KWANKWA: House Chair!
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M LESOMA): We have recognised
the objection of the EFF. Is that a point of order hon uh, ...
Mr N L S KWANKWA: Is an objection of the UDM. There was a
ruling earlier, you might not have followed it at the time it
was made that the House Chair will then allow people to
actually come in and indicate whether they are objecting to
votes or not.
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M LESOMA): Are you now
indicating, hon member?
Mr N L S KWANKWA: Yea, yea, objection of the UDM.
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M LESOMA): Okay, it is noted.
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 18 – Health – put.
Declarations of vote:
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Ms O CLARKE (DA): Thank you, House Chairperson. The Department
of Health is a clear demonstration of how fraud, corruption
and maladministration has destroyed health services for the
poor. COVID-19 corruption is proof of this. At Livingstone
Hospital in the Eastern Cape, they’ve ceased to do orthopedic
surgeries because suppliers have not been paid. When Dr Tim de
Maayer penned an open letter to raise serious concerns at
Rahima Moosa Children’s Hospital, he was then suspended for
speaking out against the shocking conditions and ultimately
for being a good doctor.
Looking at the budget in the amount of R8,8 billion has been
allocated to the National Health Insurance, NHI. Historically,
this program has been underspent and has not benefited the
poor who are increasingly vulnerable to a lack of service
delivery. Considering the massive irregularities in
procurement and the mismanagement of funds, R8,8 billion of
taxpayers’ money allocated will be at risk. South Africans are
increasingly cash strapped despite this, the department will
be funding the National Health Insurance, NHI, with an
increase in income tax.
South Africans are being taxed to death and can simply not
afford another tax or levy. It is unfortunate that income tax
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is being targeted. Funding should rather be used to ensure our
state hospitals infrastructure is maintained and upgraded, to
ensure compliance to norms and standards, and in order to
lower negligence claims, to ensure that we have the necessary
skills and human resources to provide quality universal
healthcare. We currently have a vacancy rate of 21,453 posts
for nursing and 0,31 for every thousand patients in doctor
services. Our medical legal claims are amounting to around
R3 billion per annum. Throwing money to the problem without
addressing corruption will not solve the problems of our
health system.
Fix up current healthcare system so that South Africans can
receive healthcare that they deserve. The National Health
Insurance, NHI, would just become another failed state-owned
entity, SOE, that will be plundered by fraud, corruption and
mismanagement by the ANC cadres. The DNA will not support the
Department of Health Budget. I thank you.
Ms N N CHIRWA (EFF): Thank you, House Chair. Chairperson, it
only benefits the tenderpreneurs associated with the ANC to
turn a blind eye on the reality that our public healthcare
system has officially collapsed. This is the reality that
President Ramaphosa’s administration has intentionally lead us
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to. To absolutely render the state useless whilst empowering
the private sector for the benefit of capitalists.
We are officially in full motion in witnessing the health
sector suffer a complete collapse and the transfer of our
people into the hands of the private sector for monetary
benefits through Bills like the National Health Insurance.
Then, we see the most gruesome display of capitalist greed;
putting a price on people’s lives and wellbeing, tenderising
our people’s illnesses, outsourcing our human rights to
healthcare to the Bill Gates and private sector faction that
the President belongs to and works tirelessly for.
Our hospitals continue to have a shortage of nurses, doctors
and general staff. Our clinics continue having shortages of
medicines even tertiary institutions like the Steve Biko
Academic Hospital are suffering from the complacency of this
government. ... [Inaudible.] ... not basic of equipments, no
service to cater for the health needs of our people. We will
continue to drum the truth into your heads. The prevention,
primary healthcare and education will forever remain a myth in
the public sector so long as a poor person has to wait for a
weekend to pass in order to be assisted in our clinics. Women
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in the Eastern Cape have to travel outside of their provinces
in order to access termination of pregnancies.
To date, Minister Joe Phaahla has done absolutely “fokol” to
assist the black women who were forcefully sterilised by the
ANC government. A crime of humanity ...
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M Lesoma): Hon member, hon
member, point of order. One second, just take your seat.
Please, take your seat. The word that you have used is
unparliamentary. I would request that you withdraw. The
“fokol” one. You are asking me and I am telling you.
Ms N N CHIRWA (EFF): ... [Inaudible.] ... nothing.
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M Lesoma): No, no, hon member,
just withdraw.
Ms N N CHIRWA (EFF): And to date, Mr Joe Phaahla has done
absolutely nothing to assist the black women who were
forcefully sterilised ...
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The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M Lesoma): ... point of order,
hon member, Chirwa. Just take your seat. Hon member, I have
requested her to withdraw ...
Ms N N CHIRWA (EFF): ... I did ...
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M Lesoma): ... no, no, wait.
Wait! Wait! She has done that. Then, I am explaining it to the
House. So, you may proceed with your declaration.
Ms N N CHIRWA (EFF): Thank you, Chairperson ...
The ACTING HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M Lesoma): ... is there a
point of order somewhere? Proceed, hon member.
Ms N N CHIRWA (EFF): Thank you very much, Chairperson. And to
date, Mr Joe Phaahla has done absolutely nothing to assist the
black women who were forcefully sterilised by the ANC
government. A crime of humanity of the highest order globally
that we last saw during the days of slavery and apartheid. It
must be known today that this is not the end. The ANC
government is not our permanent destination as a country. We
reject this Budget Report in as much as we reject a tired,
grumpy and lazy Minister, Joe Phaahla, and the money launderer
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who is held band to sell this country to the establishment
whilst our people suffer and die. Thank you very much,
Chairperson.
Mr T B MUNYAI (ANC): Thank you very much, hon House
Chairperson and the people of South Africa, the African
National Congress rises in support of the Budget Vote 18. As
the ANC we remain steadfast and committed to leaving no one
behind. It is our understanding that this proposed Budget Vote
is clear and solid. Therefore, we will expand government
efforts aimed at supporting South Africans whose lives have
been plunged into distress, especially after COVID-19 has
brought the unprecedented consequences that left the people of
South Africa and the global humankind that has never seen.
The declaration unashamedly supports the tabled Budget Vote 18
by the hon Minister of Health on the basis that the proposed
budget contribute to the broader agenda to provide the
comprehensive package of social services to the economically
vulnerable people of our country. A vote for this budget is
vote for progress and vote for this budget is a vote for the
proposed alignment with the agenda of universal social
protection for the vulnerable. This include the universal
health coverage as understood in our contest of the National
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Health Insurance to change the quality of healthcare for all
of our people regardless of socioeconomic status. I thank you.
Mr M N PAULSEN: Chairperson, we raised this earlier ...
[Inaudible.] ...
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M Lesoma): ... hon Paulsen, hon
Paulsen, please, can I explain to you why ...
Mr M N PAULSEN: ... [Inaudible.] ...
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M Lesoma): ... no, no, hon
Paulsen, just sit down. Thank you.
Division demanded.
The House divided.
Ayes – 239: [TAKE IN FROM MINUTES].
Noes – 112: [TAKE IN FROM MINUTES].
Question agreed to.
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Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 19 — Social Development — put.
Declaration(s) of vote:
Ms B S MASANGO: Hon Acting Chairperson, never before was the
gap between announcements of relief from hunger and starvation
and the actual fulfilment of those announcements wider for
millions in South Africa as it is today. The hon president
announced in February this year that the Social Relief of
Distress, SRD Grant of R350 would be extended to March 2023.
Today, no less than 10 million hungry would-be beneficiaries
have not seen a cent of the grant. They are starving but we
have to add to this fact that the basic food basket has
increased dramatically in the same timeframe. According to the
Household Food Index by Pietermaritzburg Economic Justice and
Dignity Group, last year a food basket cost R4 137 11. In May
2022 this year, the same food basket had increased to R4 609
89. The lack of caring for the people by government is
astounding – given the hardships the poor and the vulnerable
experience daily.
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Firstly, it was appeals that date back to August 2021 that
have not been paid, then it was the closure of post offices
that saw beneficiaries traveling long distances to receive
their grants. Now it is the delay in paying the meagre R350.
While these gaps continue to widen, heart-wrenching reports
explode daily of children dying of acute malnutrition.
It is for this reason, Chairperson, that the DA is calling for
clarity on the actual date the grant and the back pay for the
months that have lapsed will be paid. A caring government
would do all it takes to ensure that so many vulnerable
people, at the very least, are able to keep hunger and
starvation at bay even if it cannot restore their dignity and
protect their lives and livelihoods. That is certainly not the
current ANC-led government. Thank you.
Ms L L VAN DER MERWE: Hon House Chairperson, let me just first
start by correcting hon Paulsen. The IFP more than doubled our
municipalities from 12 to 29 in the past election. So, when
the IFP becomes a governing party in KwaZulu-Natal in 2024,
his party would still be an opposition, a party without a
single municipality. So, he must not mislead the House by the
comments he made about the IFP earlier. The IFP is trying.
Chairperson, that been said, in response to question sent to
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the Minister of Social Development by the IFP, the following
facts have come to light about this department and its
spending habits during the past financial year.
Firstly, they have cut funding to more than the 1 600 NPOs in
the Eastern Cape affecting the elderly and the children. Due
to budget cuts in the North West, many NPOs are on the verge
of closing their doors. One such Tlokwe Centre looking after
the gender-based violence victims can no longer pay its staff.
In Gauteng, a frail care centre looking after the elderly is
also on the verge of shutting down due to a lack of funds.
Even more alarming are the following facts: The Western Cape
Department of Social Development failed to spend R20,3 million
meant for sanitary dignity towels and for purchasing vehicles
for disabled children. The Free State, KwaZulu-Natal and
Limpopo failed to spend money meant for vulnerable children
through Early Childhood Development Centres, ECDC and the
ECDCs stimulus package. One of the worst offenders was the
Gauteng Department of Social Development which did not spend a
single cent of R122 million meant to employ social workers.
At the time when thousands of social workers are sitting at
home but the unemployment is a national crisis and social ills
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are on the rise. This is an absolute disgrace. It is on this
basis that the fact of this department is not spending its
millions it is allocated to protect he vulnerable. The fact
that it is not spending its funds to fight malnutrition to
protect the elderly, to fight gender-based violence, protect
gender-based violence victims, to protect those with
disabilities and to roll-out sanitary dignity products. We
record our opposition to this vote and we will abstain. Our
vulnerable citizens deserve better. I thank you.
Ms T BREEDT: Hon Madam Chairperson, this department and its
entities have had a huge responsibility over the past year and
will have for many years to come. Climate changes and all
other disasters are putting a burden over this department and
they need to be prepared which they are not. We have seen
multiple issues with the payment of the R350, Social Relief of
Distress Grant. Since its re-inception in April, many
applicants have still not seen a cent. This is not taking into
account of the people who have given up of receiving these
funds at all.
Afrikaans:
Subsidies aan nie-winsgewende en welsynsorganisasies is
gereeld ’n kopseer. Uitbetalings geskied nie soos wat dit moet
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nie, kommunikasie en terugvoer is afwesig en dit veroorsaak
dat baie van hierdie organisasies wat ’n ongelooflike werk
verrig, buitengewoon sukkel, nie hul werk kan doen nie en
selfs hul deure moet sluit. Ons gaan daarop moet fokus.
Dan, ons ou mense was die bouers van Suid-Afrika. Dit is aan
hulle toedoen dat Suid-Afrika die voedselmandjie van Afrika
is. Dit is net reg dat daar na hulle op hul oudag omgesien
word. Maar ’n verhoging van R90 in hul ouderdomstoelaag, wat
nie eers die inflasie van die mees basiese geriewe soos water
en krag insluit nie, is nie regverdig nie. Baie moet van hul
kinders afhanklik wees maar nie almal het daardie luuksheid
nie. Ons verarm ons mees weerloses. Dit is nie regverdig
teenoor die bouers van ons nasie nie. Ons kan nie hierdie
begroting aanvaar nie. Dankie.
Ms M E SUKERS: Hon Chairperson, this is the theatre of the
absurd. Theatrics in the House may get social media views but
the price is the further despair of our people. Our places in
this Chamber have been brought through blood, tears and long
toil years. The ACDP believes and stands on this that we are
in Parliament to serve the people of this nation in a way that
honours the price paid for our seats. As public
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representatives, we have the constitutional duty to provide
oversight and represent the interests of our communities.
The politics of easy answers promises communities, they will
rid South Africans of unwanted and illegal immigrants by
raiding small spaza shops in the Karoo and in doing so
contribute into the lawlessness that we saw in Diepsloot that
cost the man’s life. The politics of convenience and privilege
in the Western Cape, issues of corruption in the governing
party at a national level have led to the place where civil
servants can easily ignore the constitutional mandate of
Parliament and the voices of the people they are employed to
serve.
Their powerful political networks prevent them from being held
accountable to this House and through this House to the people
they serve. It seems we now have to beg for officials to
answer phones, to appear before the committees and we are
regularly told that they have other commitments. Then, there
are those outside the circles of the governing party who would
rather see less than for our people than do all we can to
ensure that our people are empowered to drive change.
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Surely, we cannot be that blind to see that we are opening the
door for further collapse and failure that would plunge this
country into further social darkness. We are facing the worst
social crisis any of us can remember. In August 2019, a
beautiful youngster entered the post office and in broad
daylight Uyinene Mrwetyana lost her life in the most horrific
manner imaginable. Both Uyinene and Jess Hess who died in the
same month are in many ways representing the of our dreams of
our country.
The dream is dying as young lives are lost on the flats. A
body count that resembles a war zone goes on unabated in our
country. It seems that there is no balm in Gilead. Last week a
woman was murdered brutally and her infant was left on top of
her copse alive. We are starring into the abyss.
Transformation in how we do politics is now a national
imperative if we want to avoid a systemic collapse in South
Africa. The right kind of politics is to put people first but
we are not doing so, shamefully.
We expect our people to hold their breath in between the
elections. They must wait for elections between the elections.
I received a call from the community organisations here in the
Western Cape who are scared that they will lose funding dare
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they make a wrong move by associating with this or that branch
of government. It is reportedly the same across the country
that community organisations are held at ransom by political
allegiance.
This House must drive political and social reforms for the
remainder of this term. We must drive it by giving power to
our communities and take seriously oaths we made before God
and men or we will go down in history as a Parliament that put
a show while hunger, poverty, lawlessness and violence are
standing at the gate. I thank you.
Mr B N HERRON: Hon Acting Chairperson, we have no declaration.
Thank you.
Mr D M STOCK (ANC): Hon Acting House Chairperson, I would like
to rise in support of the Budget Vote 9 of the Social
Development as it seeks to address a number of socioeconomic
challenges. Key to the ANC’s social transformation programme
is the meeting of the social needs which are aimed at
strategically dealing with the triple challenges of poverty,
unemployment and inequality. These are at the heart of the
Social Protection Policy which deals with the number of
challenges that the majority of our people are confronted
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with. This is in particular the vulnerable and the poor
communities of our people.
The ANC remains committed to improving the people’s livelihood
through poverty alleviation and building a caring and self-
reliant generation. A rejection of the budget vote in my view
is actually a disregard of the reality that our people are
facing with regards to poverty, unemployment and inequality. A
number of millions of our ordinary ground people are actually
waiting and actually relying on this Budget Vote of the Social
Development.
So, I do not think that this is a right moment to come and
talk politics by some of our colleagues in the opposition
benches and my learned colleagues in the portfolio committee.
I think we need to take the lives of our people very seriously
and rise in support of the budget votes. Indeed, these social
services that are actually provided by the Department of
Social Development are in affirmation for many that the ANC-
led government cares. Thank you very much hon House Chair.
Division called.
Voting.
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Agreed to.
Vote No 20 — Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities — put.
Declaration(s) of vote:
Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Chairperson, did you know that in South
Africa, 21,3% of children under the age of 17 years and
younger do not live with their parents, and yet
internationally, most children under the age of 18 live with
both parents. Consequently, many children are raised by their
grandparents or other relatives, especially in rural areas.
In South Africa, the more children there are in a household,
and that is more than four children, the greater the chances
are that they are being looked after by extended family
members ... 84,5%. In South Africa, only about 22% of children
have daily contact with their biological fathers and in 2018
only 36%, which is now 22%, of children live with their
fathers.
So the question we need to ask is — and I know many people
attack the SA Police Service and ask them to do your work —
what is going wrong? What is the role of the women of today?
Because every child that might not know who the father is —
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nine out of ten times — knows who the mother is and lives with
the mother or with the grandparents.
What is the message that we are sending to our children? So,
my message today to the mothers and the women of this country
is, choose the fathers for your children. Make the right
decision because if you choose the wrong fathers for your
children you will have dysfunctional families. You have the
opportunity to make that choice. If you make the wrong choice,
it is the children that are going to suffer because of it.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Order hon members!
Order!
Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Yes, thank you. The reason why I’m saying
this is because many people raise concerns about the high
crime rate in South Africa, about rapists and about murderers.
And, let us be honest that none of these were born rapists and
murderers. So the question is, what went wrong? When did it go
wrong? How did it go wrong? Why did it go wrong? Why are we
allowing it to go wrong? Why are we having children with men
... 78% of them don’t want to play any role in the life of the
child? Why are we choosing men that don’t want to pay
maintenance for their children? So I think to some extent ...
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Ms E N NTLANGWINI: On a point of order, Chairperson.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon Shaik Emam, there
is a point of order. The hon Ntlangwini?
Ms E N NTLANGWINI: Thank you, House Chair. I think the
comments that the hon Shaik is making are very sexist.
Secondly, why is he not addressing the issue with men and say
that men must man up? He must stop addressing it with women.
He must stop being sexist. Maybe perhaps that’s why he is not
married.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Thank you, hon
Ntlangwini. Hon Shaik Emam, you may continue. I will look into
the matter.
Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Hon Ntlangwini, thank you. However, if you
give me an opportunity ... I’m coming to the men. I’m coming
to the men.
Yes, I agree that men are not angels. Men must take more
responsibility for their children. No matter what your
differences are with your girlfriends or your wives, those
children are innocent. You need to pay maintenance. You need
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to be in their lives. You need to make sure that those
children are going to school.
If you look at the number of children today on the streets
alone that are not even going to school and we are doing
nothing about it ... So, what I’m saying is that we need
collective responsibility between mothers and fathers, and men
and women, in order to create a better society for the future.
If we are not going to do that we are going to have what we
have today ... dysfunctional families. That is why we are
having so many children becoming criminals, rapists and
murderers. That is what I’m saying. Thank you very much. The
NFP supports this Budget Vote.
Ms A S MHLONGO: Thank you very much House Chair. I rise on
behalf of the ANC in support of Budget Vote 20. Gender-based
violence and femicide, GBVF, has reached serious crisis
proportion in our country. Every year we pay condolences and
bury women that have been murdered by men. We need to put an
end to GBVF in our country and effectively implement the
National Strategic Plan of GBVF in all spheres of government,
particularly local spheres, as it is the sphere closest to our
people.
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We must continue to advocate for the rights of persons with
disabilities, and not to be silent on issues pertaining to
persons belonging to the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender,
intersex, queer and/or questioning, and asexual, LGBTQIA, plus
community. As our youth is faced with high levels of
unemployment, we must also pay attention to the manifestation
of crime, substance abuse and mental health that can be seen
as a consequence of social economic challenges amongst our
youth. Therefore, the department should continue to undertake
programmes that promote youth and women empowerment. The ANC
supports Budget Vote 20. Thank you.
Vote No 20 agreed to.
Vote No 21 - The Civilian Secretariat for the Police Service –
put and agreed to (DA, EFF, FF Plus and ACDP dissenting).
Vote No 22 – Correctional Services – put and agreed to (DA,
EFF, FF Plus and the ACDP dissenting).
Vote No 2 - Defence - put and agreed to (DA, EFF, FF Plus and
ACDP dissenting).
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Vote No 24 - IPID - put and agreed to (DA, EFF, FF Plus and
ACDP dissenting).
Vote No 25 - Justice and Constitutional Development - put.
Declarations of vote:
Mr F J MULDER: Hon House Chair, if the vision of the
Department of Justice and Constitutional Development was to
enhance an accessible justice system in a vibrant and evolving
democracy and to support organizational performance on all
aspects of administration, in line with set standards, meeting
the needs and expectations of stakeholders and to facilitate
effective and efficient resolution of criminal so ... and
family disputes by providing accessible, efficient and
administrative support to courts. And FF Plus would have
supported this vote.
Afrikaans:
Agb Voorsitter, die visie en realiteit is in werklikheid
ongelukkig ver verwyder en behoort die Parlement op ’n
dringende basis in te gryp om die departement verantwoordbaar
te hou omdat die departement in sy mandaat faal. Die VF Plus
ondersteun dus nie stempos 5 nie. Dankie Voorsitter.
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Mr S N SWART: House Chair, it is the central role of the state
to protect its citizens and uphold the rule of law and the
ACDP believes that it is largely failing in this regard. When
one considers that the criminal justice sector is struggling
to cope with high levels of crime and violence. The average
law abiding citizen feels overwhelmed by the lawlessness
pervading the nation. Consider the high levels of gender-based
violence senseless murders, robberies, hijackings, and
kidnappings. It is for this reason that the ACDP has called
for more resources to me to be made available to law
enforcement agencies and the National Prosecuting Authority,
NPA, to respond to this lawlessness. This in the knowledge
that the most effective deterrent to crime is the sheer
knowledge that the perpetrator will be apprehended,
successfully prosecuted and sentenced to a lengthy period of
imprisonment.
Sadly, there appears to be very little deterrent to crime in
the country, and South Africans are understandably the morning
that more must be done. They are becoming increasingly
impatient to see far more criminals behind bars. And stolen
state funds recovered and the ACDP agrees. Now when the
committee and stolen state funds recovered and the ACDP
agrees. Now when the committee visited courts and buildings,
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we were appalled at the condition of many of the department’s
infrastructure. Not only our court buildings are so neglected
that they become structurally unsafe.
A number of the courts cannot be accessed, and they cannot
access running water and electricity when there are outages
and in these circumstances, courts cannot stay open, which
contributes to increased backlog matters. And we know that
justice delayed is justice denied. So regrettably, the ACDP
will not support this Budget Vote. I thank you.
Ms N H MASEKO-JELE: House Chair, the Department of Justice and
Constitutional Development and other entities and institutions
received their budget allocation under the Justice and
Constitutional Development Budget Vote. Our courts remain
critical for enforcing defending of rights of people and
dispensing justice. They have played a pivotal part in
protecting the rights of women.
The battle of the fight against gender-based violence and
fermicide are sexual offences courts and Thuthuzela Care
Centres, which were introduced to focus on the speedy
adjudication of cases. We welcome the efforts made by the
Department of Justice and Constitutional Development and
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entire Justice, Crime Prevention and Security, JCPS, Cluster
in the fight against fraud and corruption.
It was reported that a total of R36 million in 2022-23 to
invest in information communication technology, ICT, in
institutions that include the investigating directorate,
Public Protector South Africa, and South African Human Rights
Commission was made. A total of 426 million over the medium
term to intensify the fight against corruption and ensure
efficient capacity for the investigation and prosecution of
criminal cases. Emanating from the state capture commission
and Truth and Reconciliation Commission, TRC, has been set
aside, among others. This will allow the independent
directorate to appoint an estimated 90 staff members in a
permanent capacity.
Indeed, these are good interventions by our caring government
of the ANC, which are indeed welcomed and appreciated by the
South Africans as by the words of the Acting Finance Minister
in the Presidency hon Gungubele. The ANC supports the Budget
Vote. I thank you.
Vote No 25 agreed to.
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Declaration of vote:
Mr N SINGH: Hon Chairperson, our military veterans have every
right to feel abandoned and betrayed by this government. Every
right to feel no longer useful and necessary after the
establishment of democracy in South Africa. The truth remains
that with the transition to democratic governance, the
subsequent dismantling of these liberation resistant military
wings was handled in a very poor manner. This has led to acts
of insurrection where military veterans have used their skills
to sow instability.
Demobilized veterans remain in many instances destitute and
due to poor education, little or no skills other than
soldiering out issues and problem of reintegration mental
wellness into society and they are left as outcasts of a
society that has forgotten them. This is completely
unacceptable and reparations and redress by government must be
prioritized for our military veterans. I thank you.
Vote No 26 agreed to (DA, FF Plus, EFF and ACDP dissenting).
Vote No 27 – The Office of the Chief Justice – put and agreed
to (FF Plus dissenting).
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Vote No 28 – Police – put.
Declarations of vote:
M. Gen O S TERBLANCHE: Chairperson, South Africa deserves
better. The SA Police Service has failed our citizens and let
the country down. The crime statistics of the last quarter
January to March 2022 indicates an increase in crime in most
categories. The enforcers of law and order, the police aren’t
successful in properly preventing crime detecting offenders
and the public no longer believes that the police are capable
of doing the job.
Cadre deployment has already left its mark here too. The
inflated top management echelon accommodates plus-minus two
hundred generals and 600 brigadiers. Some are even deployed as
station commanders with little to no effect. The reason being
competence does not necessarily correlate with rank seniority.
These highly paid individuals quite often lack basic
sufficient training, let alone any relevant experience.
Obviously, service delivery is not the main priority for
deployment but rather payback time for loyal cadres.
The outcome is unavoidable, just as an unqualified pilot will
difficulty even getting the aircraft airborne because he
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cannot fly and even if he managed to get it in the air, a
disastrous crash is certainly guaranteed. Service delivery is
crippled by Deoxyribonucleic acid, DNA, samples backlogs,
dysfunctional Central Firearm Registry, staff shortages, lack
of resources, dilapidated buildings, scarcity of police
stations, and the list just goes on.
The SA Police Service require transformation it must be
devolved to provincial level. And we need better political
leadership. The man with the hat must go. South Africa
deserves better. I thank you.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick) The IFP.
Mr M HLENGWA: Thank you very much, Chairperson. I hope I’m
audible?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Order hon members! The
IFP.
Mr M HLENGWA: Yes, Chairperson. Am I audible?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Can you try to speak
up please, we can’t hear you properly, hon Hlengwa?
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Mr M HLENGWA: Can you hear me now, Chair?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Yes, you are clear.
Mr M HLENGWA: Alright. Thank you very much Chairperson. I
raise this declaration of hon Majozi. As the IFP we recognize
and appreciate the critical and challenging role played by the
SA Police Service, SAPS, in maintaining safety and security in
our communities.
However, we must respond to the President’s claim in his
recent Presidency Budget Vote Debate when he said and I quote:
Progress has been made in building capacity within the
law enforcement agencies.
He went on to mention that the first cohort of 12 000 new
police personnel is in training. This is misinformation.
According to the portfolio committee reports, 10 000 will
replace personnel and 2 000 will increase the establishment.
Therefore, the number of personnel will increase by only
2 000.
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Further, the report states that the Directorate for Priority
Crime Investigation, DPCI, Hawks is severely under capacitated
and that the DPCI functions with a 48% workforce. These
capacity concerns must be addressed with urgency if the SAPS
and the Hawks are to fulfil their mandates. I thank you.
Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Chairperson, allow me to start off by
saying the work of policemen and police women in the country
is very difficult. And it’s not going to get easier anytime
soon given the fact that we have a very high unemployment rate
in the country. People are becoming desperate and I think the
latest crime statistics speaks volumes of what we can expect
in the future.
I can say this without any doubt. You can increase the police
force tenfold, you are not going to solve the problems in the
country, unless you deal with the root causes of crime in the
country. And we say this time and time again that the socio
economic conditions under which our people live is what is
making our people desperate to conduct themselves or behave in
the manner in which ... I give you one good example,
kidnapping used to be his forte of one particular syndicate, a
big syndicate. Now you have turns of copycat syndicates all
over people are becoming more and more desperate.
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I think the Minister is here and I just want to raise a few of
my observations. First of all, salaries that are paid to and
benefits that are given to our police officers - the men and
women in blue are certainly in adequate. The danger allowances
they get for what they do is certainly in adequate. I will
give you a good example, many of these administrative staff
sit close to where the firearms are kept. They don’t get any
danger allowances or anything whatsoever. But they are at high
risk because if somebody comes to hold you up at the police
station, they are the first ones that get held up, absolutely.
Another good example is the SAPS Goodwood Police Station here
in Cape Town that has those problems. Added to that is problem
that the danger allowances that they get is minimal. Criminals
today, and I have said this before, Minister, they don’t shoot
you in the heading anymore. When they know that you’ve
covered, they won’t shoot you. If you knew you had a
bulletproof vest, they don’t shoot you.
The Independent Police Investigative Directorate, IPID, does
not help the situation because criminals know what to do. In
other words, they will come to you with the back facing
because you’re not allowed to shoot. That’s why I always say
shoot the criminal with the contempt it deserves because if
you don’t, what are you doing? An entire community is going to
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lose a police officer. He has the responsibility to protect
the entire community. While that criminal is running riot to
that entire community. So who do you protect? You must protect
the police officer not the criminal. So I say, shoot him or
her with the content that they deserve.
Minister, if you want to become a doctor, you will take
Mathematics and Science in school. If you want to become an
accountant, you will take accounting. So why not if you want
to do policing introduce in the curriculum at school, those
subjects in terms of investigation ... And what would you do?
You will attract the right kind of learners to come in and
join the police force. Right now anybody and everybody when
you advertise is going to want to become a police officer
because they don’t have a job. The NFP will support this.
Thank you.
Ms G P MAREKWA: Hon House Chair, hon members, the ANC welcomes
and supports the Budget Vote. I need to say that the majority
of South Africans in this country still have respect for the
SA Police Service, SAPS. the budget is a very important
instrument in the realization of our 2030 vision.
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The budget will strengthen the South African Police Service to
address all crimes that are negatively impacting our
communities today. This will include the fight against gender-
based violence and femicide, human trafficking, that is in the
main ...
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Order hon members!
Ms G P MAREKWA: Human trafficking in the main targeting young
women of our country, the fight against drug peddlers and
those who are also destroying our infrastructure. The budget
will ensure that the police have the necessary resources
through recruitment in order to help increase police
visibility in our streets, because people are crying that they
don’t see the police. So when we vote for the budget will
ensure that the police will have more visibility. We will see
them in all our street corners and highways in the country.
This also will ensure that the police will deal with their
preventative and proactive strategy and to further reduce
their Deoxyribonucleic acid, DNA, backlogs. The fight against
crime in our country will never be won by the police alone.
But we need to mobilize the different sectors of our society
such as business, civil society, faith-based organizations,
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and including those owners that are having legal liquor
outlets.
It is through this Budget Vote that we shall make South Africa
a safer place for all who live in it women and children and it
will ensure that women are not encouraged to go for self-
defence classes instead of being at the workplaces and in
boardrooms and engaging in their future and the future of
their children. As the ANC, we support the Budget Vote. Thank
you.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Order hon members! Hon
Mandela, the hon members sitting in these front rows will have
to remove you from these front seats. You conversing too loud
with one another and you are distracting the rest of the
proceeding so please keep it down.
Division demanded.
The House divided.
AYES – 230: (ANC – 218; IFP – 11; Good – 1).
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NOES – 116: (DA - 71; EFF - 32; FF Plus - 9; UDM – 1; ACDP –
3).
Question agreed to.
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Question put.
Agreed to.
Vote No 29 - Agriculture Land Reform and Rural Development
Declarations of vote:
Mr N P MASIPA: Chairperson, based on the World Bank report,
secure property rights and access to land are crucial for
private sector development and job creation.
On this month of June, the DA, like many South Africans,
recognizes and honours our youth. We recognise the role that
they have played in bringing democracy to this diverse
beautiful country of ours.
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The youth should be the substratum of the labour market and
land reform initiatives should be built around them.
Regrettably, the divisive cadre deployment has obliterated our
youth’s hopes of meaningful participation in the land reform
and the economy.
House Chair, the policy uncertainty regarding the individual
property rights which are enshrined in the Bill of Rights is
destroying the economy for this country. Young people are
suffering the most. Banks are reluctant to invest in an
economy where the property rights are not protected. Land Bank
is the collateral damage of the expropriation of land without
compensation policy that was pushed by the ANC. The youth
unemployment now stands at over 42%.
House Chair, the management of the Ingonyama Trust and
communal property rights has shown the ineptitude of the ANC
government. They chose to ignore the recommendations of the
High-Level Panel, headed by Kgalema Motlanthe. Instead,
Premier Zihle Zikalala, if not stealing water, offends Prince
Buthelezi and physically attacks Mr Mchunu, instead of
addressing the burning land issues in his backyard.
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South African youth suffers the most from the corrupt ANC
government’s failure to address the ineffective policy on land
reform and insecure land tenure right.
Come 2024, the DA shall govern.
The 10,5 million hectares of land in the department’s hands
shall be in the hands of the beneficiaries to provide tenure
rights certainty. I thank you. Ke a o leboha, Chairperson.
Mrs Y N YAKO: House Chairperson, South Africa’s agricultural
sector has often, forcely, regarded as one of the most
developed and productive sectors with advanced infrastructure
from agricultural production, agro-processing promotion,
marketing and investment.
Firstly, what proponents of this view fail to recognize is
that whilst the agricultural sector in this country is
extremely unequal. On one hand it has primitive and feudal
features, mainly subsistence on former Bantustan areas; and on
the other, characteristics of commercial and mechanized
agriculture in predominately white South Africa.
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Agriculture in this country is deeply steeped and embedded in
racial and colonial planning and spatial designs of the past.
This is what proponents of this falsified view neglect to
mention. This colonial, racial and class-based features,
ownership patterns and realities remain unchanged, 28 years
into democracy.
Secondly, in the light of the Russia and Ukraine conflict with
dire consequences of global food production and security,
especially to 1,4 billion people in Africa in general, who are
at risk of starvation and hunger. Rwanda has said to attain
food sufficiency by investing US$1 billion worth of farming
equipment, materials, implements and logistics to boost its
farming and agricultural sector.
House Chairperson, if Rwanda can achieve this with a Gross
Domestic Product, GDP, of half than that of South Africa and a
horrible history which took 30 years back to politics of
genocidal proportions and bad leadership, what stops South
Africa with her over exaggerated agricultural advancements to
do the same or even exceed Rwanda?
The food economy in South Africa is dominated by white
minority at all levels, from land ownership and agricultural
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production to the agri-processing, packaging and retail of
food.
We conclude that failure of South Africa to do what Rwanda is
doing can only be blamed on lack of visionary leadership on
the part of the current corrupt government of the ANC.
We are told that South Africa is a food secured and can
produce sufficient food to feed the population, yet there
remain more than half of the citizens who suffer from food
shortage, malnutrition, starvation and hunger.
As we said before, and we wish to repeat it today, EFF rejects
the budget vote on Agriculture, Land Reform and Rural
Development. Thank you. [Applause.]
Afrikaans:
Me T BREEDT (FF Plus): Voorsitter, hierdie departement is
steeds besig met die verkeerde dinge. Die departement weier om
gehoor te gee aan sy landbouers. As gevolg hiervan, gaan die
departement nie net sy landbouers nie, maar die land vaal.
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Inenttings, veral die beskikbaarheid van inenttings vir
siektes soos Afrika-perdesiekte is steeds ’n probleem, maar
die departement en sy entiteite ontken dit steeds.
Die Portefeuljekomitee oor Landbou is nooit oor die
landboumeesterplan geken nie. Die komitee is verlede week, ’n
maand na die goedkeuring, oor hierdie meesterplan ingelig.
Tydens die vergadering het die departement vertel dat dit nie
eintlik ’n plan is nie, maar ’n konsep van ’n plan en dat die
implimentering van die plan nou eers ontwikkel moet word. Dit
is nie hoe ek dink ’n meesterplan werk nie, maar nou ja.
Ook is daar gesê dat daar staatgemaak gaan word op buite
finansiering, dat daar nie regtig binne die huidige
departementele begroting geld hiervoor is nie en dalk sal
hulle later geld hiervoor herpriotiseer. A nee a, die
departement kan mos nie iets as ’n meesterplan verkoop en dan
is dit net spookasem drome nie.
Met die Rusland-Oekraïne-krisis wat steeds woed, is dit juis
’n guldige geleentheid vir die departement om op landbou te
fokus, om die groei van die sektor te prioritiseer, om
sodoende te verseker dat ons voedselsekuriteit nie hierdeur
geraak word nie en ook dat ons ons landbou se kleinskaal- en
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opkomende boere tot by kommersiële boere kan uitbou. Ons sal
nie die begroting steun nie. Dankie.
Ms E M TLHAPE: Hon Chairperson, the ANC supports adoption of
vote 29. In order to allow for provision of equitable access
to land, integrated rural development, sustainable agriculture
and food security for all.
This vote will improve agricultural production and revitalize
infrastructure. And this includes the employment of about
10 000 extension officers over the, Medium-Term Expenditure
Framework, MTEF.
One of our priority concerns as the ANC is to see an increased
agricultural productivity on all land reform projects to
supports our food security programme.
We have called for the democratization, improved
administration and management of Communal Property
Associations, CPAs, for the realization of improvement of
ordinary lives of our communities living under these CPAs.
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We support, as the ANC, the intervention that is unfolding
with regard to Ingonyama Trust board; that hon Masipa is aware
of.
We support, as the ANC, the adopted policy on vulnerable
groups, that is your youth, women and people living with
disabilities, that seeks to mainstream the interest of these
groups across programmes of the department; that hon Masipa is
aware of.
This vote is progressive and it will, over the MTEF, finalise
more than 1 000 old order land claims. Notably, the fourth
phase of the District Six development will also be completed
in the same period.
Hon Chairperson, given the current fiscal framework, this vote
has thoughtfully allocated our limited resources towards
policy programmes aimed at the eradication of triple
challenges of poverty, unemployment and inequality. And
there’s no absolute reason to object to its adoption. I thank
you. [Applause.]
Division called.
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Question put.
Voting.
Agreed to.
Vote No 30 - Communication and Digital Technologies – put.
Declaration of vote:
Mr N SINGH: Chairperson, the IFP notes with growing concern
that the 30th June 2022 deadline for South Africa’s digital
migration is fast approaching.
In her recent budget vote debate, the Minister celebrated
various milestones including five provinces where analogue has
been switched off; this is not worth celebrating. The
International Telecommunications Union, ITU ... [Inaudible.]
... deadline for the switch off of analogue television signals
was 17 June 2015.
The Minister also referred to the revised SA Connect model
that will roll-out 33 000 community Wi-Fi hotspots over a
three-year period. This deadline too seems entirely
unrealistic as per our debate on this budget and the portfolio
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committee report. The department only managed to connect 970
out of 6 000 facilities in Phase 1 of the project.
Urgent action and consequence management for missed deadlines
is needed for these key projects to succeed. I thank you.
Ms A MOTAUNG: Thank you, Chair. The ANC supports budget vote
30.
Vote agreed to.
Vote No 31 - Employment and Labour – put.
Declarations of vote:
Dr M J CARDO: Hon Chairperson, unemployment is the single
biggest challenge facing South Africa. The figures are
alarming, 12 million people do not have a job, the expanded
unemployment rate stands at 45,5%.
Meanwhile almost two in every five people aged between 15 and
24 are not in employment, education or training; the so-called
needs. They are unnihilistic, exasperated, estranged and
traumatized by this government’s failure to build a better
life for the youth.
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The ANC destroys jots. Corruption and state capture have
trashed the economy. Loadshedding is taking us back to the
dark ages.
The ruling party champions policies and laws which fuel the
pandemic of joblessness. From expropriation without
compensation, to the Mining Charter, to the proposed
Employment Equity Amendment Bill, the ANC scares off
investors, strangles growth and kills jobs. This will be the
ANCs legacy when eventually it is turfed for the office. A
nation scarred by poverty, inequality and unemployment. Each
of them on every measure has got worse since 1994.
The Department of Employment and Labour doesn’t work for the
workers and it doesn’t work for the unemployed. The
Unemployment Insurance Fund, UIF, is floundering, the
compensation fund is dysfunctional and the, Commission for
Conciliation, Mediation and Arbitration, CCMA, is the ambled
of money at a time of rising retrenchments.
Despite its R3,9 billion budget, the department isn’t guided
by a plan to build an environment conducive to job creation.
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The DA government would get the job done by cutting red tape,
reforming our labour laws, exempting small businesses from the
automatic extension of collective bargaining agreements and
making it easier to hire young workers.
It’s time for South Africans to destroy the job destroyers,
the ANC, at the polls.
The DA will craft a budget that puts the unemployed first.
Thank you. [Applause.] [Interjections.]
Mr M NONTSELE: House Chairperson, the Department of Employment
and Labour seeks to liberate its existing programmes to
intensify its employment mandate. It seeks to provide social
protection to workers, it also continues to play the regular
... [Inaudible.] ... in the labour market to promote safe and
decent work.
The current circumstances of high unemployment the state had
to intervene, hence the number of interventions that include
Presidential Employment Stimulus, that has already benefitted
some 800 000 South Africans; that is youth, in particular, and
women, who are in the majority.
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The Department of Employment and Labour does its work ensuring
that funds allocated are used efficiently. This department has
received unqualified audit report consistently. And in respect
of the 2021-22 audit that is currently underway it is
envisaged that the Department of Employment and Labour will
receive unqualified audit opinion.
It is also highly encouraging to see that the Department of
Employment and Labour has released National Labour Migration
policy for comment. The policy seeks to bring about harmony
and stability in the domestic labour market space, where the
expectations of South Africans in relation to the access to
jobs is attended in a caring and positive manner.
House Chairperson, we need to call upon business to join the
social compact for the benefit of the country. The social
compact is meant, amongst others, that we share the resources
and as the ANC we are for a better life for all. That is what
the social compact is about. So, all the stakeholders may have
to move with speed to ensure that the positive impact is, in
fact, realized through the social compact.
The ANC supports vote 31, House Chair. [Applause.]
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Division called.
Question put.
Voting.
Agreed to.
Vote No 32 – Environment, Forestry and Fisheries – agreed to.
(Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front
Plus and African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).
Vote No 33 – Human Settlements – put.
Declarations of vote:
Mr B N HERRON: House Chair, the Good Party is encouraged by
the objectives of the Department of Human Settlements to
expedite the establishment of the Human Settlements’
development bank. But if the objectives are to be achieved
they have to be accompanied by reimagining of the country’s
current public housing programme to progressively resolve the
national housing crisis.
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Although South Africa has one of the largest public housing
programmes in the world we still have not learnt from our own
experiences that a free house is not necessarily an affordable
house. We have failed many South Africans by not reversing the
effects of the Group Areas Act in spatial justice and we now
found ourselves with suburb of poverty located far away from
job prospects and opportunities. Instead of sculpting and
reimagining our current housing provision, we are just
continuing to deepen the apartheid model of spatial planning.
Currently, we found ourselves in a situation where the housing
code doesn’t meet the constitutional requirements of providing
adequate housing and we are failing to create sustainable
communities, towns and cities. We are underestimating the
impact of urbanisation.
House Chair, the current housing code is a blunt instrument
that assumes we have economic equality across the country and
a uniform property market. A new housing code must address the
true meaning of affordability in the local context and include
the future of informal settlement with a tangible informal
settlement adequate plan. We need to continuously engage with
our metros across the country to identify well-located parcels
of publicly owned land in earnestly to be developed into
affordable housing. We need the courage to discard that which
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is not working and reimagine a new landscape of equity and
justice. Thank you.
Ms N N SIHLWAYI: Hon Chairperson, the ANC is unambiguous on
its support for the Portfolio Community On Human Settlements’
budget, Vote 33. The ANC understands from the principles of
the national democratic revolution that there can be no stable
democratisation without taking everyone on board. Everyone
should be included in the programme. Everyone should be
dignified in the programme.
The human settlement sector is in the process of transforming
itself. In that particular process we have to be all patient.
As we deliver housing we need to transform. The portfolio
committee supports the budget, Chair. Thank you
Question agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom
Fighters, Freedom Front Plus and African Christian Democratic
Party dissenting).
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 34 – Mineral Resources and Energy – put.
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Declarations of vote:
Mr K J MILEHAM: Chairperson, last week, President Ramaphosa
announced that the integrated resource plan would be reviewed,
that there would be a push to add new generation to the grid
and that the red tape hindering sub 100MW generation would be
removed. Sounds great! But talk is cheap. Minister Mantashe
and his department have proven to be a handbrake on all such
efforts.
If we are to end load shedding, we need a deadline for the
integrated resource plan, IRP, review. We need to allow all
the bidders in the renewable independent power producer
programme, REIPPP, to bring their generation online. We must
prioritise the urgent building of new energy storage capacity,
not new nuclear power stations. We need to make it easier for
people to install rooftop solar like Vietnam did. In one year
through legislative reform they installed 9 gigawatts of
rooftop solar. We need to get rid of the National Energy
Regulator of South Africa, Nersa, and municipal red tape and
make it cost-effective for homeowners and businesses.
Our mining industry is in the doldrums. The department has
failed completely and there are no signs of
recovering. Licencing is backlogged to the point where it may
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not be cleared for another three years, let alone deal with
any new applications. The system is rife with corruption and
ineptitude. Procedures are slow and expensive. The much-
heralded exploration strategy is a joke.
It is almost impossible for our miners to raise money for
projects because nobody wants to risk their cash in such an
unfriendly environment. The department is only interested in
its ongoing campaign for racial preferment under the guise of
transformation. It has only retarded the industry. The DA
rejects this budget.
Ms P MADOKWE: House Chairperson, we reject this Budget Vote as
we did before when we had a full debate on it. The department
has failed to catalyse the mining industry and ensure that it
serves all the people of this country. We have just come out
of a protected strike of Sibanye wherein they refuse to give
their workers R100,00 increase while paying CEOs over
R300 million in bonuses.
South Africa has been grappling with a massive energy crisis
for years and the department has lost a plot of the agenda
allowing lobbies for renewable energy to dictate terms for the
department.
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Fuel prices are at times high and this directly speaks to the
living conditions of the poorest of the poor who have been
struggling to make ends meet. The department has not crafted
any medium to long-term plan for dealing with this price
escalations living our people to their own devices. Increased
prices speak directly to increased food prices, increased
transport prices and increased overall expenses while salaries
remain the same, while the majority of our people are un
employed and depend meagre social grants and even those who
were promised R350 have been dealt another blow.
The looting of the strategic fuel reserves by corrupt
Ministers and their subordinates have left the country without
any measures to address the rising fuel prices. And the fact
that no one has been held accountable to date shows that this
government has no intention of protecting its people.
Glencore’s admission of foreign bribery and market
manipulation is yet another thorn that hovers above the energy
sector. There is no reason to believe that any of Glencore’s
business dealings in South Africa over the years were above
board.
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The EFF warned Parliament during the energy debate in 2016,
that Eskom is collapsing because of inflated and corrupt coal
prices. South Africa does not have stable electricity
generation today because Glencore was central to the
manipulation of coal process. When we refuse to withdraw that
the President of the ANC was involved with a criminal
syndicate we were chased out of Parliament to protect
criminals. Because of these corrupt agreements we now have
inconsistence electricity supply and exorbitant electricity
prices yet we have coal mines which would have been
nationalised to ensure cheaper and uninterrupted electricity.
We will not be shocked if similar information is disclosed in
the future about Shell whose business administration is
willing to defend over the livelihoods of our people in the
Wild Coast. Wed reject the budget, Chair.
Mr M G MAHLAULE: House Chair, the ANC supports the
Appropriation Bill for the Department of Mineral Resources and
Energy. The transformation of the mining sector in so far as
implementing the social and labour plans and addressing the
backlogs in the processing of mining licence applications is
especially for the benefit of the historically disadvantaged
South Africans. These two imperative priorities of the
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department depend on this Appropriation Bill for this
financial year. So, you can’t say you don’t support it.
Moreover the acceleration of both the integrated national
electrification programme and bid windows for the renewable
energy policy projects all hinge on this Appropriation Bill
more importantly. This Appropriation Bill will go a long way
in terms of assisting the department to improve its oversight
and regulatory work amid the growing fuel theft and illegal
mining. It’s only an enemy of progress who will not support
this progress. Thank you very much.
Division demanded.
The House divided.
AYES – 232: [TAKE IN FROM MINUTES].
NOES – 114: [TAKE IN FROM MINUTES].
Question agreed to.
Vote accordingly agreed to.
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Vote No 35 – Science and Innovation – agreed to.
(Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters and African
Christian Democratic Party dissenting).
Vote No 36 – Small Business Development– agreed to.
(Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front
Plus and African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).
Vote No 37 – Sport, Arts and Culture – agreed to.
(Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front
Plus and African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).
Vote No 38 – Tourism – agreed to.
(Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, Freedom Front
Plus and African Christian Democratic Party dissenting).
Vote No 39 – Trade, Industry and Competition – put.
Declaration:
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Mr M J CUTHBERT: Hon House Chairperson, as we speak the
Minister is in Geneva, Switzerland at the World Trade
Organization, WTO’s, 12th Ministerial Conference where he is
most probably speaking with forked tongue about the promotion
of international trade and co-operation. While back in South
Africa we have been left to discuss an isolationist budget fit
for a hermit at kingdom.
While he pays lip service to the African Continental Free
Trade Area, AfCFTA, and deepening market integration, the real
objective of this budget is to isolate our economy from both
the continent and the rest of the world. He speaks of
intensifying localisation through a series of blunt tariff
measures and an endless supply of development finance funding
for an exclusive few.
Instead of pursuing a horizontal industrial policy that allows
inherently competitive sectors to leverage comparative
advantage and specialisation, he wants to be able to pick the
winners and losers. While the winners may tolerate him for
their own selfish reasons, the rest of the business community
despises him. The reality is that if you don’t get with his
program then he will force you to do so. As remarked by the
Financial Mail columnist, Peter Bruce, last month:
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Localisation is going so badly that Patel is now offering
manufacturers full on antidumping duties against any
product they make, in return for promises that the
companies concerned will increase and protect jobs and
not raise prices faster than the prevailing rate of
inflation. It is a massive failure of policy, a bona fide
protection racket.
If this isn’t a glaring indictment on his policies, then I
just don’t know. Economic growth and development depend on
competition and free trade. At this rate we may never break
out of that hermit shell and we have Minister Patel to thank
for that.
Mr F J MULDER: Hon House Chair, the Department of Trade,
Industry and Competition is a department central to economic
development in South Africa. The department is responsible for
commercial and industrial policy. Its subsidiary agencies are
involved in promoting economic development. State capture and
corruption damaged the economy resulting in a large amount of
job losses in South Africa. It also caused severe damage to
that is direct and reasonable because so many of the corrupt
contracts hurt South Africa’s suppliers to replace them with
imports.
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When a crisis hit the world South Africa job losses are of
larger than average. The ANC government, more specifically
this department’s answer to job losses is to enforce the black
economic empowerment even more fiercely and aggressively than
ever before because of a lack and the absence of political
capital.
Without the economic growth redistribution of resources will
revert and certainly result in the redistribution of poverty.
There’re the FF Plus cannot support this budget. Thank you.
Mr W M THRING: Hon House Chairperson, the ACDP acknowledges
that within our constraints international and domestic
economic environments South Africa has one of the highest
unemployment rates in the world with the Gini coefficient that
places us the most unequal nation worldwide. After 28 years of
democracy under the ruling party unemployment and poverty have
increased to some of the highest levels ever.
While the ACDP supports the department’s master plan as an
intervention for industrialisation and economic recovery, we
reiterate our call for the scrapping of the health promotion
levy or sugar tax as a counterproductive levy in that the
affected industries purchase less sugar and then use sugar
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alternatives that are more harmful than the sugar itself. Our
repeated calls for beneficiations as a policy tool for
economic and employment growth must not go unheeded. Having
some of the richest mineral deposits in the world South Africa
cannot export the majority of our raw materials only to import
the finished products in perpetuity.
Hon House Chairperson, the time has come for the true leaders
of the country to arise, and the time has come to put aside
petty politics and point scoring. As we stand at the
crossroads of history making the time has come to move away
from race-based politics and policies. The time has come to
put South Africans first in the true spirit of the
Constitution which reminds us that everyone has the right to
bodily and psychological integrity which include the right not
to be subjected to medical or scientific experiments without
their informed consent. The time has come the ACDP reminds
this House that we must ensure that all South Africans know
that South Africa belongs to all who live within it, black and
white. I thank you.
Mr S H MBUYANE: Chairperson, the ANC supports Vote 39 of the
Department of Trade, Industry and Competition. The budget
responds to the essence of the reconstruction and recovery of
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our economy with a particular focus on special industrial
development and reimagining industrial policy, emphasising the
resuscitation of industrial park, the support for economic
special zones and support for various sector master plan. This
is a step in a right direction in creating conducive
environment for black industrialists and small and medium-
sized enterprises, SMMEs, to thrive.
The Appropriation Budget will support the ANC-led government’s
efforts to localise and build internal reliance in a face of
global uncertainties. This is essential for our old longevity
and job creation and suitability of our country. The ANC
supports Vote 39’s budget. Thank you very much.
Division demanded.
The House divided.
AYES – 217: [TAKE IN FROM MINUTES].
NOES – 116: [TAKE IN FROM MINUTES].
Question agreed to.
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Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 40 – Transport – put.
Declarations of vote:
Mr K P SITHOLE (IFP): Thank you, hon Chairperson. An effective
and innovative transport infrastructure is critical to
economic growth, yet, they remain many examples of unfinished
delayed project and project that are worth delayed and over
budget. The government must be selective in its choice of
transport infrastructure development.
We must prioritise building, roads and other transport
infrastructure that can unlocked economic development.
Encourage areas on South Africans are economically viable.
This must be done with the highest degree in promoting safety,
strictly attention to budgetary constraints and even stricter
attention to timelines. We must make provision for possible
delays.
We must not be heartened due to corruption and mismanagement.
In fact, there must be non-existence. This department is
really failing in its mandate to the people. We are already
seeing the disaster ...
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon member, the time
of the IFP has now expired.
Mr N SINGH: Only in this debate, Chairperson.
Tshiven?a:
Mufumakadzi Vho M M RAMADWA: Muhulisei Mulangadzulo, Tshimebi
tsha Buthano la Lushaka, Vho Pemmy Majodina, mufumakadzi ane a
fara lufhanga nga vhuhalini, o no isa ndau vhudzadzeni,
Muthusa Tshimebi Vho Dorries Dlakude, Mira?o yo?he ya Buthano
la Lushaka, na lushaka lwa Afurika Tshipembe, dzangano la ANC
li tikedza Mulayitibe wa Mukovho wa Vouthu 40 ya Muhasho wa
Vhuendi.
Vhuendi vhu na mushumo wa ndeme zwi tshi ?a kha u tikedza
bveledziso na thembabveledziso zwi tshi ?a kha bada na
tshiporo. Mbekanyamushumo ya muhasho kha i vhe i ne ya
khwinisa dzithandela dza vhuendi ha nnyi na nnyi. Thandela dza
vhuendi ndi tshipi?a tsha vhupulani ha Pulane ya u Vusuludza.
Muhasho u fanela u tevhedza maitele kwao nga u ri zwi khwinisa
ikonomi ya shango. Nwedzi wo fhelaho sa komiti ro tshimbila ri
tshi ?ola thandela dza muhasho ngei Mpumalanga, North West na
KwaZulu-Natal. Ri khou ita khuwelelo kha muhasho uri murumba
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kha u ?ambele zwan?a, tshumelo kha i ye vhathuni. Ma?we mahoro
mahanedzi ri nao kha komiti. Ri a dzula ra amba ra tendelana
fhedzi vha tshi ?a hafha vha ?a u hanedza ngauri vhone vha
?o?a u fhiri?anya hafha N?uni na u tsitsa tshirunzi tsha Nn?u.
Vha sumbedza vha songo ?iimisela u fha?a shango la Afurika
Tshipembe.
Kha vha ri ndi fhedze nga uri ri?e sa dzangano la ANC
thikhedzo yashu yo ?itika kha u bveledzisa thembamveledziso ya
vhundi na u sika mishumo zwine zwa vha ?ho?ea kha lushaka. Ndi
fhedza nga uri: Vho Ma?amela Ramaphosa, iwe philamisevhe. Na
zwenezwi zwe ra dzla ngazwo zwi ?o fhira. Kha vha ri ndi
fhedze nga uri: Kha vha ri vhse Vho Ramaphosa, kha vha ri
vhuse. Kha vha ri vhuse Vho Ramaphosa, kha vha ri vhuse,
muvhuso wa Afrika Tshipembe. Aa!
Question agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom
Fighters, Freedom Front Plus and African Christian Democratic
Party dissenting).
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Vote No 41 – Water and Sanitation – put.
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Mr N MYBURG: House Chair, as we all know, in many parts of
KwaZulu-Natal the people have been dealt a double whammy of
devastating floods and ANC incompetence.
Every additional day that it takes for government to get its
act together, is a further delay in the economic recovery of
the entire region.
Also, the provision of much-needed housing opportunities is
being stalled whilst government takes its time in getting its
act together.
The restoration of people’s dignity, and their prospects of a
better life is being put on the back burner whilst government
takes its time in getting its act together.
Whilst the people of Nelson Mandela Bay Metro faces a future
without water, the Amatola Water Board, broken by cadre
deployment, continues to stumble from one Special
Investigating Unit, SIU, investigation to the next.
The country desperately desires delivery with urgency and
efficiency.
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It is clear for all to see, this government has overstayed its
welcome, and it has reached its sell-by date.
As S’Thembiso Msomi writes in the Sunday Times this past
weekend: “It is no joke, we need to imagine South Africa
without the ANC”! Thank you, Chair.
Ms M R MOHLALA: Chairperson, we rejected this Budget Vote when
it was debated earlier but we feel the need to re-emphasise
our position on the uselessness of this department.
We noted back then the failure of the department to build
water infrastructure capable of meeting the water demands of
our growing economy. And the Minister stood up and rubbish our
assertions. If there is sufficient water infrastructure in the
country, why are we losing billions of litres of water as a
result of water leak, as a result of aging infrastructure
everything here in the country.
The people of Giyani have been without water for years despite
the investment made in that part of the world by the
department. Those monies went into the pockets of the thieves
in the ruling party who steal and then defend each other as
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they are doing in right now in the case of money staffed in
matrasses at Phalaphala Game Reserve.
We also bemoan by the fact that the water boards that have
been used as a playground for the ruling party patronage
politics and which have been factories for producing most
corrupt activities must be revamped and refocus towards
building water infrastructure and delivering water services.
Pollution of our river systems spillages of effluence
dysfunctional Wastewater Treatment Works and Water Treatment
Plant are daily occurrences in different parts of the world.
Today, in different parts of the country, today, there are
still thousands of people in KwaZulu-Natal without reliable
access to water after the devastating floods in that province
two months ago. Communities have resorted to getting their own
water tankers because they have no water in the middle of a
very cold winter.
We reject this report and we condemn the incompetence and
corruption of the ANC thugs sitting here in Parliament. Thank
you.
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Mr B A RADEBE: Hon Chairperson, I am rising on a point of
order here.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Order, hon members.
There is a point of order.
Mr B A RADEBE: Rule 84, unparliamentary language – they are
referring to the members of the ANC as thugs.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Yes. Order, hon
members. Hon Paulsen? Hon Paulsen? Hon Paulsen, there is a
point of order, I doubt if you heard it. Hon member who was
just in the platform made a reference to hon members as thugs.
That’s unparliamentary language and it must be withdrawn. I am
waiting for a member to withdraw. [Interjections.] I will
recognise you after wards. [Interjections.] No, I want to deal
with this point of order. [Interjections.] I will come back to
you. [Interjections.] Please, hon Paulsen? Please, take your
seat. [Interjections.] The hon member referred to Members of
Parliament sitting in this House as thugs. [Interjections.]
The hon member must simple withdraw.
Ms M R MOHLALA: Chairperson?
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Yes, hon member.
Ms M R MOHLALA: They are thugs. It’s just a fact.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon member, are you
going to withdraw the remark?
Ms M R MOHLALA: The President Ramaphosa together with ...
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon member, will you
withdraw the remark or not? If you don’t want to withdraw your
remark, please remove hon member from the platform. Thank you.
Mrs G K TSEKE: Thank you, House Chairperson. Budget Vote 41,
Water and Sanitation 2022, build on the strength of its
predecessors. It lays the foundation for building water
infrastructure to secure the future of the next generation.
Indeed, this is a budget that premise on the need of the
people. It thus seeks to change the lives of our people for
the better. It will improve access to water and sanitation
services for households which is currently at 89,4%. This
budget will provide much needed water infrastructure to
deliver water to the people industries and businesses.
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The infrastructure includes dams, bulk pipelines and the
pumps. The state of the nation address 2022 and the Economic
Reconstruction and Recovery Plan call for necessary
development of bulk water infrastructure and establishment of
appropriate institutions. The strategic water infrastructure
and institutions will accelerate water services delivery to
the underserved households.
In this regard, the plan to establish the National Water
Regulatory Infrastructure Agency and the Independent Economic
Regulator in the Medium-Term is a step in the right direction
that will ensure consolidation of all bulk water
infrastructure activities.
The establishment of this agency will also provide for
holistic management of waste water infrastructure in the
country as the recent Green Drop Report 2022 shows poor
maintenance and operation of the waste water treatment
infrastructure.
The independent in economic regulator will also provide the
platform for proper regulation of the water pricing regime
that will address the current municipal water debt to water
boards. This is the reason we as the ANC support Budget Vote
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41 on Water and Sanitation. Kea leboga. [Thank you.]
[Applause.]
Division demanded.
The House divided.
[TAKEN IN FROM MINUTES]
Question agreed to.
Vote accordingly agreed to.
Schedule – agreed to (Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom
Fighters, Freedom Front Plus, African Christian Democratic
Party and United Democratic Movement dissenting).
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon members, no, no
no. Hon members, the House is still in session. We have not
dealt with the last question that must be asked. So, please,
pay attention. The Secretary will read the last order of the
day.
APPROPRIATION BILL
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(Second Reading debate)
There was no debate.
Question put: That the Bill be read a second time.
Division demanded.
The House divided.
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Question agreed to.
Bill accordingly read a second time.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): The Bill will be sent
to the National Council of Provinces for concurrence. Order,
hon members. Order! Hon members, earlier today the hon Mazzone
on behalf of the DA wrote to the Secretary of the National
Assembly querying the presence of a quorum after division was
called on the first item of the day which was a decision of
question on consideration of the recommendation of a person to
fill a vacancy on the Electoral Commission. To support the
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query, Ms Mazzone states in a letter that she was shown that
the DA had 45 members in the virtual platform and that it was
proved at the time of the division they only had 10.
As I presided over that session and to clear any confusion, I
believe I should clarify this matter before the House is
adjourned today. Parties are provided with the attendance at
different points and proceedings. Members of the DA could have
dropped out of the virtual platform or loss connection. The
locking of doors on the virtual platform relates only to
admissions of members into the platform.
It is confirmed that no admissions were done on the virtual
platform while the division was in progress. The virtual
platform was therefore locked as the doors of the House were
also locked. And the records available. At the same time of
voting, the DA had 10 members on the platform and seven in the
Chamber. The total number of members in the Chamber and on the
platform was thus 257 and the decision of the House is upheld.
Hon members that conclude the business for the day and the
House is adjourned.
The House adjourned at 18:30.
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