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House: National Assembly
Date of Meeting: 09 Jun 2022
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PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
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The House met at 14:02.
The Speaker took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayer or meditation
The SPEAKER: Hon Members, order! Hon member, in the interest of safety, for all present in the Chamber, please, keep your masks on and sit in your designated area. Thank you.
APPROPRIATION BILL
Debate on Vote No 1 – The Presidency:
The PRESIDENT: Speaker of the National Assembly; Deputy President of the Republic, David Dabede Mabuza; Ministers and Deputy Ministers; hon members and fellow South Africans, ...
Mr A MATUMBA: Order, Chair.
The SPEAKER: Yes, point of order. Hon members, order! Order!
From all sides, order!
Mr A MATUMBA: Chair, on a point of order: My order is on ...
Speaker, my order is, today, we cannot find ourselves ...
[Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: What are you saying? Get closer to the mic.
Order, hon members. Please! You may be seated, Mr President.
Mr A MATUMBA: Chair, my order is on ... [Interjections.]
Speaker, my order is on the President. He is currently
suffering from acquired intellectual ... [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Please, take your seat .... [Interjections.] That is not a point of order. Take your seat! [Interjections.] That is not a point of order. Hon Mafumba, that is not a point of order! Take your seat!
Mr A MATUMBA: Speaker, I have not finished, but you are saying that I must take my seat. [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Hon Mafumba, take your seat! [Interjections.]
Ms P P MAKHUBELE-MARILELE: ... is insulting us as the ANC.
[Interjections.] He cannot insult the President. If he has something to say, let him say what he wants to say in a respectful manner. [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Hon member, take your seat! There is no point of order! [Interjections.]
Ms P P MAKHUBELE-MARILELE: You are the one who is suffering from whatever you are accusing the President of suffering from. The President is not suffering from anything.
[Interjections.] We are also calling an order on you.
[Interjections.]
Mr A MATUMBA: Speaker, you must give me ...
Ms P P MAKHUBELE-MARILELE: You are not given anything. You have already insulted us. You are not given anything. You have already insulted the President. What is he suffering from?
[Interjections.]
Mr A MATUMBA: Speaker, you must make a ruling, after I have addressed you. [Interjections.] I have not addressed you, but you are already making a ruling.
Ms P P MAKHUBELE-MARILELE: You don’t need to be given a ruling. You are unruly.
Mr A MATUMBA: You are making a ruling on what?
[Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Mr Matumba, please, take your seat.
[Interjections.]
The DEPUTY CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: Speaker, the programme of Parliament is very clear. Today, we are dealing
with Vote 1, the Budget Vote on the Presidency. The programme was adopted by the Programming Committee this morning. So,
nothing has changed and we will not allow anything to be done, other than the Budget Vote on the Presidency. I thank you.
The SPEAKER: Mr President, you may proceed with you Budget Vote Speech.
Mr A MATUMBA: Order, Chair. My order is allowed! It is Matumba, not Mafumba.
The SPEAKER: Hon Matumba, what is the point of order?
[Interjections.]
Mr A MATUMBA: My order is clear. Let me raise my order. My order is clear. [Interjections.] My order is clear.
The SPEAKER: Hon members on the virtual platform, stop it, please. [Interjections.]
Mr A MATUMBA: Speaker, my order is on the risk of this Parliament. I am saying, if the President is to address us, he will infect us with acquired intellectual intelligence
deficiency syndrome. So, ... [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Hon Matumba, take your seat! [Interjections.]
Mr B A RADEBE: Hon Speaker, I am rising on the Rule on a point of order: We have already taken a decision around this matter.
So, I request that your decision be respected and that we continue.
Mr J S MALEMA: Speaker, on a point of order: I don’t think we are going to run this Parliament like that, because you don’t
give a speaker an opportunity to express himself and then he gives you the point ... [Interjections.] ... which he is rising on. He gets interrupted and then you allow that. Can you allow the speaker to make his point and make a ruling ...
[Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Hon Malema, hon Rosina Machwene, will you please mute your microphones. Please. Hon members, those who have not
been given the opportunity to take the floor, will you please mute your mics. [Interjections.] Hon member, will you please take a seat!
Mr W T LETSIE: Speaker, no, we have raised our hands on the platform. Hon Malema just rises and you recognise him. You
don’t recognise us and we have raised our hands on the platform. [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Hon member, I am sorry. Hon Matumba had his hand up in the Chamber here. I am now recognising hon Phiri. Sit down, hon Matumba, please.
Mr A MATUMBA: But I am still on the floor, Chair.
The SPEAKER: You are not on the floor.
Mr A MATUMBA: I am still on the floor. We cannot have a person
... [Interjection.] We cannot have a person who is not loyal
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to his own country to ... [Interjection.] Can you rule on
that? Can a man who is not loyal to ... [Interjection.] It
cannot be possible. [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Hon members! Can you please mute the members on
the virtual platform? [Interjection.]
Mr A MATUMBA: Speaker, that is my order. You cannot have a man
who is not loyal to his country to address that country.
[Interjection.] .... take money to the bank, a man who fire
his own employee ...
Mr J S MALEMA: Madam Speaker, we are muted here. We don’t hear
anything. [Interjection.] We are muted! We are muted! We
cannot hear anything. [Interjection.] We are muted!
Mr X NQOLA: Speaker, we are completely out of the House. We
cannot hear anything and we are muted ...
Mr W T LETSIE: Yes, can ICT people please assist us? We cannot
hear.
Mr J S MALEMA: Can we be allowed to speak? We are muted here.
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Mr V ZUNGULA: In fact, they must go back and start from
scratch. We cannot hear anything.
Mr J S MALEMA: We never heard anything. Can you protect us?
[Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: ... within which to sort out the problem, so that
those who are on the virtual platform are able to follow the
proceedings. [Interjections.]
An HONOURAL MEMBER: This is not your house. You will speak at
your house. We are all equal here, whether one came late and
the other one came earlier. We are all equal.
The SPEAKER: ICT, are we okay now? [Interjections.]
An HONOURAL MEMBER: You can do that to the rest of the ANC
people who do not have a mask. You cannot instruct me. Who are
you to instruct me?
An HONOURAL MEMBER: Put on your mask first, put on your mask.
The SPEAKER: I’m told that the system is still being tested,
hon members. Patience, please. [Interjections.] Hon members,
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we will now proceed with the debate and I want to caution all
members, please, if you have not ... Even if you have raised
your hands, if you have not been given an opportunity to
speak, please, wait until you are given that opportunity. This
applies to everybody, including those who are on the virtual
platform. Hon members, I do have people here who are checking
how many hands we have on the virtual platform. May I now
allow Mr President to continue with his Vote.
Mr J S MALEMA: On a point of order: I was on the floor and I
was rudely interrupted and what followed after that, I could
not hear, because we were muted on the platform. We are
members of this ... [Interjections.] We must also be taken
into confidence with what transpired when we were muted.
The SPEAKER: Hon Malema, may I plead with you who are the
leader of a political party, that you do not just barge in,
you raise your hand and you draw my attention to you and then
we give you the opportunity to speak. Don’t just shout from
the virtual platform. It is incorrect.
Mr J S MALEMA: Hon Speaker, I was on the platform.
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The SPEAKER: For the sake of the decorum of the House, I plead
with you, I plead with you. Now, I recognise you.
Mr J S MALEMA: Hon Speaker, hon Matumba stood up on a point of
order. He was rudely interrupted and I will ask that he be
given an opportunity to present his point of order and then
you make a ruling, because at the point you were making a
ruling, we were muted and we were not able to follow the
proceedings. That is where I come from. Thank you.
Mr B A RADEBE: Hon Speaker, I am rising on Rule 92(8): It says
that once the Speaker has made a ruling on a matter, it is
done. You gave the other member a chance to raise his point of
order and he did raise it and you made a ruling. So, I
request, let us respect your ruling. If he has an objection to
the ruling, they know where to go to. Thank you.
Mr W T I MAFANYA: Chair, on a point of order: What was the
ruling? What was the ruling? On what? On what? On was the
ruling.
The SPEAKER: Hon Mafanya, remove your mask and then you can
speak. I am sorry.
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Mr W T I MAFANYA: Chair, ...
The SPEAKER: I actually read my ruling. I actually said, hon
member, that I am using Rule 92 and I went on and I read that
Rule and I went on to say that there is not a transgression
here and that there was a Programming Committee this morning,
which finalised the programme. It was presented to all Chief
Whips and this matter has been standing on the agenda or
programme of Parliament. So, today, we are dealing with the
budget of the Presidency. And I have invited the President to
take the floor and address Parliament. Hon Mafanya, will you
please now that I have clarified the matter to you, take your
seat.
Mr W T I MAFANYA: Chair, on a point of order: I want to put it
on record that the President... A charge has been opened
against the President. [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: No, hon ... [Interjections.] Thank you very much.
Hon Mafanya, ...
Mr W T I MAFANYA: There is a case of criminality that has been
opened against the President, and ...
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The SPEAKER: ... I have asked you to desist from this
unbecoming behaviour.
Mr W T I MAFANYA: ... and yet today, you want us to ....
[Interjections.] ... the law, to address us.
The SPEAKER: Yes, hon Gungubele, but I don’t want to be
delayed, because the hon member is not ready to take his seat.
The MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY: Hon Speaker, I thought if one
were to remember what hon Pandor said, I think that it is
logical, if somebody keep being irrelevant, and the second one
repeats the same irrelevance, we request the Speaker with
precision, to actually give those people the penalty they
deserve. I cannot explain what it is, because that member is
repeating an issue on which you have made a ruling. I think we
would request your indulgence ... [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Thank you very much. Hon Gungubele, I want to
follow every step to the letter, so that when I finally have
to throw people out, no one will say, I did not give them the
opportunity to speak.
IsiXhosa:
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Uuabona, Mathunywa.
English:
Hon Mafanya, do you still have a point of order?
[Interjections.] If you don’t, thank you very much. I now
invite the President to take the ... [Interjections.] I am not
allowing anyone ...
The SPEAKER ... Mr President, please take the floor
Ms E N NTLANGWINI: On a point of order, Speaker.
Mr W T I MAFANYA: Order, Madam Speaker.
Ms E N NTLANGWINI: On a point of order, Speaker.
Mr W T I MAFANYA: Order, Madam Speaker.
Ms E N NTLANGWINI: On a point of order, Speaker.
The SPEAKER: Hon Ntlangwini, point of order?
Ms E N NTLANGWINI: Thank you very much, Speaker. Speaker, we
can’t be addressed by a money launderer and a criminal.
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The SPEAKER: No hon ...
Ms E N NTLANGWINI: We can’t be addressed ...
The SPEAKER: Please hon member, withdraw that.
Ms E N NTLANGWINI: We can’t be addressed by a person that ...
The SPEAKER: Hon member?
Ms E N NTLANGWINI: The President is accused of serious crimes.
We can’t be addressed by a person like this.
The SPEAKER: Hon member, withdraw that!
Ms E N NTLANGWINI: This is an honourable House. We can’t be
addressed by a person with such huge accusations behind him.
The SPEAKER: Will you please withdraw that?
An HON MEMBER: Order Chair!
The SPEAKER: Now, I warn you! I warn you! I said you should
withdraw that statement. I said withdraw ... [Inaudible.]
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Ms E N NTLANGWINI: Hon Speaker, we can’t be addressed by a
person who has such serious accusations behind him. How do you
allow that?
An HON MEMBER: Point of order, Chair.
Ms E N NTLANGWINI: You are supposed to protect this House.
The SPEAKER: Hon Ntlangwini, desist from this ...
Ms E N NTLANGWINI: You are supposed to protect us and protect
this House.
The SPEAKER: I have warned you. Will you please desist from
this behaviour? Now, hon Ntlangwini, I have requested you to
withdraw.
Ms E N NTLANGWINI: Hon Speaker, I ... The deputy president of
the EFF wants to speak on the virtual platform and you are not
noting him. You are not noting him.
The SPEAKER: Hon Ntlangwini?
Mr N F SHIVAMBU: On a point of order.
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Ms E N NTLANGWINI: He has been calling points of order for the
longest ... [Inaudible.] [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Hon Ntlangwini, withdraw that statement.
Mr N F SHIVAMBU: On a point of order, Speaker.
The SPEAKER: Yes, point of order?
Mr N F SHIVAMBU: The point of order is that there is not going
to be any withdrawal for referring to Cyril Ramaphosa as a
money launderer. That is a fact which has not ... [Inaudible.]
... disproven.
The SPEAKER: Thank you very much. Hon Ntlangwini?
Mr N F SHIVAMBU: ... [Inaudible.] ... there is no withdrawal
that is going to take place because he is accused of serious
crimes and we cannot be intimidated by you, by anyone. We have
a right here in Parliament to raise an issue of a President
who is accused of serious crimes. So we can never just
withdraw things that are true. What are we if we are just
going to be made to withdraw things that are true?
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The SPEAKER: Hon Ntlangwini? Hon Ntlangwini? May I ... Hon
Shivambu? Will you please mute hon Shivambu. Please mute hon
Shivambu. Please mute hon Shivambu.
Hon Ntlangwini, I have requested you to withdraw the statement
you made and you are refusing. I’ve requested you twice to
withdraw and you are refusing to withdraw. Now I am warning
you, hon member. Please ...
Mr A MATUMBA: Order, Chair. Order, Chair. It’s a political
statement. She can’t withdraw a political statement. Chair,
she can’t withdraw a political statement.
The SPEAKER: Sit!
Mr A MATUMBA: We are here. We are politicians and we must make
political statements. [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Hon members! Now, hon ...
Mr A MATUMBA: So, it’s a political statement that the
President is a money launderer. He laundered 60 million on his
farm. It’s clear he is a money launderer.
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The SPEAKER: Hon Ntlangwini, you are refusing to withdraw.
Will you please leave the Chamber? Will you please leave the
Chamber?
Mr A MATUMBA: The President is here. Let him answer for
himself.
Ms J TSHABALALA: Point of order. Point of order.
Mr A MATUMBA: President, did you launder money? Let him
answer. He’s there. He’s seated.
Ms E N NTLANGWINI: What must I withdraw? You didn’t say what I
must withdraw.
The SPEAKER: That which you said.
Ms E N NTLANGWINI: What must I withdraw?
Mr A MATUMBA: President Cyril Ramaphosa, did you launder
60 million on your farm? [Interjections.]
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Ms P P MAKHUBELE-MARILELE: Floyd, your name is also mentioned
in the murder of Gardee’s child. Why are you speaking here in
Parliament? [Interjections.]
An HON MEMBER: They must be chased out. They must just leave.
The SPEAKER: ... [Inaudible.] ... will you please leave the
Chamber? [Interjections.]
Mr J S MALEMA: Repeat it outside.
An HON MEMBER: We are not going anywhere. [Interjections.]
An HON MEMBER: We are not going anywhere. [Interjections.]
Mr K CEZA: We are not going anywhere. No-one is going to leave
the House here. [Interjections.]
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: [Inaudible.]
Ms C C S MOTSEPE: No-one is going anywhere.
An HON MEMBER: Leave! Leave! [Interjections.]
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An HON MEMBER: The kidnapper must go! [Interjections.]
Ms J TSHABALALA: Hon Speaker, thank you for recognising me. I
rise ...
The SPEAKER: Serjeant-at-arms, please remove the members.
Serjeant-at-arms, I requested hon Ntlangwini and hon Matumba
to leave the House and they are refusing. Remove them!
[Applause.] Remove them from the House!
An HON MEMBER: Madam Speaker? Madam Speaker?
Mr A MATUMBA: She didn’t speak to us. I didn’t hear her ...
[Inaudible.] ... She must say it to us, then we can leave. No,
I didn’t hear her. I didn’t hear her. I didn’t hear that.
Speaker, our members of the EFF on the platform are muted.
[Interjections.]
Mr S TAMBO: On a point of order. On a point of order, Speaker.
[Interjections.]
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: We have raised our hands on the platform,
Speaker. Can we be recognised please? [Interjections.]
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Mr J S MALEMA: Speaker, on a point of order. [Interjections.]
An HON MEMBER: You won’t be recognised. Just get out!
The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE, LAND REFORM AND RURAL
DEVELOPMENT: Hon Speaker?
The SPEAKER: Hon Didiza, will you please give me an
opportunity to get these members out first?
Mr J S MALEMA: No, it doesn’t work that way. [Interjections.]
Hon Speaker, it doesn’t ... [Inaudible.] ... You are ejecting
the wrong people. [Interjections.] Speaker, you can’t treat
members as a group. [Interjections.] Speaker, you can’t
address members as a group. You are going to have to address
them one by one. [Inaudible.] [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Hon Ntlangwini and hon Matumba ... [Inaudible.]
[Interjections.]
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: You must tell Ramaphosa to leave, not
Members of Parliament. Tell Ramaphosa. [Interjections.]
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The SPEAKER: Hon Ntlangwini! No hon ... Hon members! Hon
Ntlangwini ... [Inaudible.] [Interjections.] ... given you an
opportunity, together with hon Matumba ... [Inaudible.]
Mr P G MOTEKA: Mr buffalo must leave the House. Mr buffalo.
An HON MEMBER: Speaker? Speaker?
Ms C C S MOTSEPE: Ramaphosa must also leave the House.
An HON MEMBER: Speaker, on a point of order.
An HON MEMBER: You yourself must leave the House.
[Interjections.]
Mr J S MALEMA: Speaker, you can’t remove members as a group.
[Interjections.] Speaker, you have to explain to each and
every member what ... [Inaudible.]
The SPEAKER: ... [Inaudible.] ... comply with the directives
of the Chair.
An HON MEMBER: You can’t even explain. [Interjections.]
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Ms H O MKHALIPHI: You want the Members of Parliament to be
beaten? [Interjections.] Your hands are dirty, like Baleka.
The SPEAKER: Your conduct is now directly impeding the ability
of the House ... [Inaudible.] [Interjections.]
Ms P P MAKHUBELE-MARILELE: Shivambu, your name is out there.
They are saying that you are involved in the murder of
Gardee’s child. [Interjections.]
An HON MEMBER: Speaker, on a point of order. [Interjections.]
Can you recognise me? Speaker, can you recognise me?
Mr N F SHIVAMBU: On a point of order. [Interjections.]
An HON MEMBER: Speaker, the deputy president is calling a
point of order. [Interjections.]
An HON MEMBER: Those bouncers have no right to touch our
members. They have no right to touch our members.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Natasha, moer [beat] those idiots! Moer
them! Moer them![Interjections.]
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An HON MEMBER: Speaker, you are removing the wrong people. You
are supposed to remove the kidnapper. [Interjections.]
An HON MEMBER: Take them out! We want to proceed with the ...
House! [Interjections.]
An HON MEMBER: You will never proceed. You will never.
[Interjections.]
The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE, LAND REFORM AND RURAL
DEVELOPMENT: Thank you very much, hon Speaker. Hon Speaker, on
a point of order.
Mr N F SHIVAMBU: On a point of order.
The SPEAKER: Yes, hon Didiza, on a point of order? Sorry, hon
members, the sound is really not good. I can hardly hear ...
[Inaudible.] [Interjections.]
The MINISTER OF AGRICULTURE, LAND REFORM AND RURAL
DEVELOPMENT: Hon Speaker ... [Inaudible.] ... you made a
ruling that hon Ntlangwini must leave the House. As she
resisted, she actually made a statement which is
unparliamentary. She said, we cannot be addressed by a
criminal and ... [Inaudible.] [Interjections.]
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An HON MEMBER: Yes, Ramaphosa is a criminal! [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Thank you, hon Didiza.
An HON MEMBER: We are absolutely fed up with your criminality.
The SPEAKER: Unfortunately, I did not hear that. Therefore, I
will have to go back to Hansard and come back to give a
ruling. Hon Tshabalala?
An HON MEMBER: On a point of order, Speaker. [Interjections.]
Ms J TSHABALALA: Hon Speaker, I will also rise on that order
that ... can we have control over the virtual platform. Those
are not recognised to speak on the virtual platform clearly
... because it is distracting the House. Can it be muted?
An HON MEMBER: Wena, mrs daisy, please! [Interjections.]
Ms J TSHABALALA: ... [Inaudible.] That’s what I’m talking
about, Speaker. Can that be muted? [Interjections.]
[Inaudible.] ... on this issue ... [Inaudible.]
[Interjections.] ... on the same matter ... [Inaudible.]
[Interjections.]
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The SPEAKER: Hon members on the virtual platform, once more I
appeal to you not to just barge in and speak. I really want to
make an appeal.
An HON MEMBER: Speaker, can you please recognise me?
Mr J S MALEMA: Our hands are up, Speaker.
The SPEAKER: Equally, I want to make an appeal to everybody in
the Chamber. Hon members ... [Inaudible.]
An HON MEMBER: Can you recognise us on the platform? Our hands
are up. [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: ... [Inaudible.] ... people can’t hear my
instruction. Thank you very much, hon members. Hon Malema,
what’s your point of order? [Interjections.]
Mr J S MALEMA: Hon Speaker, it is unacceptable for you to call
security on members ...
An HON MEMBER: Julius, you are not recognised. You are not
special. Keep quiet. [Interjections.]
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Mr J S MALEMA: But I am recognised. What do you mean?
[Interjections.] The Speaker said hon Malema. Speaker, you
cannot call security on hon member Matumba because you have
not followed the same procedure you followed with hon
Ntlangwini. You cannot treat them as a group. [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: ... [Inaudible.] ... both of them, and both of
them are out now. [Inaudible.] ... an instruction from me ...
[Inaudible.] ... not once or twice but thrice, and I’ve now
issued a directive that he should leave the House.
Ms P P MAKHUBELE-MARILELE: Can the President come and address
the nation please?
The SPEAKER: Hon members, I will now mute anyone who conducts
himself or herself in a manner which is unbecoming. I will now
mute your ... [Inaudible.]
Ms N V MENTE: Our hands are up, Speaker.
An HON MEMBER: Speaker, my hand is up.
The SPEAKER: Hon member ... Mr President ... [Interjections.]
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Hon Malema, you have raised your point and I’ve responded to
you. [Interjections.]
Mr J S MALEMA: Hon Speaker, it’s not me. I don’t know why you
are calling my name. I didn’t say anything. Why are you
calling my name? I didn’t say anything. [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Yes, Mafanya. Hon member.
Mr W T I MAFANYA: The two comrades that you just told to go
out ... not represent themselves. We have a constituency that
we have to look after.
The SPEAKER: Yes?
Mr W T I MAFANYA: Secondly, our mandate ...
The SPEAKER: This is not a point of order, hon member.
Mr W T I MAFANYA: Yes, our mandate is to have clean
governance.
The SPEAKER: Please tell me what your point of order is.
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An HON MEMBER: Let him finish, Speaker. Don’t panic.
Mr W T I MAFANYA: There are allegations ... [Inaudible.] ...
against the President. [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: What is your point of order? [Interjections.]
Mr W T I MAFANYA: [Inaudible.] [Interjections.] ... the
President.
An HON MEMBER: Which Rule is this? [Interjections.]
Mr T V MASHELE: On a point of order, Chair.
The SPEAKER: Take your seat. Take your seat.
An HON MEMBER: You are out of order.
An HON MEMBER: Ask which Rule is this.
Mr T V MASHELE: Okay. Thank you very much, Chair. I’m rising
on Rule 92, read in line with Rule 66. Any member who rises
here must quote the Rule that he wants to present. The common
sense that we are presented with here cannot go on. Can you
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please make a ruling that anyone who disrupts the House ...
order them to go out so that the President can proceed with
... [Inaudible.] [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Hon Nqola from the virtual platform?
Mr X NQOLA: Thank you very much, hon Speaker. There have been
many members here who were out of order, such that they
deliberately misled this House. The members that were taken
out were given time to echo their order and you ruled on that.
So, I don’t know why we should continue doing this chaos. I
wanted to raise that, Speaker ... [Inaudible.]
The SPEAKER: Thank you, hon Nqola. Hon Phiri?
An HON MEMBER: On a point of order, Speaker?
An HON MEMBER: Why are you only recognising ANC Members of
Parliament here? [Interjections.] My hand has been up for a
long time and you are not recognising me.
An HON MEMBER: We have been trying to rise on points of order
and you are ignoring us.
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The SPEAKER: Hon Phiri, I now recognise you.
An HON MEMBER: Can I be recognised, Speaker? [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Hon Phiri, I now recognise you.
Ms C M PHIRI: Thank you, hon Speaker. Allow me to speak in
Venda mixed with Sotho as they are all official languages.
Speaker, I want to start by appreciating you for taking
Matumba out. You have done well. I applaud you for dealing
with Matumba.
Ms N K F HLONYANE: What point is that? What point of order is
that? [Interjections.]
Mr V PAMBO: Praise singing is not a point of order. Stop being
a cheerleader, wena man! Yassus! [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: [Inaudible.] ... I recognise hon Letsie. Hon
Letsie?
Mr S TAMBO: Speaker, you are only recognising ANC speakers and
you are out of order. I’ve been raising a point of order here.
You are recognising ANC members in sequence. What is that?
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Mr W T LETSIE: Thank you very much. No, you must raise your
hand.
Mr S TAMBO: I have been raising my hand. You are out of order,
Speaker.
The SPEAKER: Hon Letsie? Hon Shivambu?
Mr W T LETSIE: No, it’s me Speaker. You have not ...
[Inaudible.]
Mr V PAMBO: Now there’s a zombie floating on our screens. No,
you are not recognised there.
Mr W T LETSIE: No, I am recognised ... [Inaudible.] Speaker?
Mr N F SHIVAMBU: On a point of order, Speaker.
The SPEAKER: Hon Shivambu, you are recognised.
Mr W T LETSIE: Speaker, I did not waiver my hand.
The SPEAKER: But I have you on the list here. Thank you.
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Mr W T LETSIE: Yes, you recognised me and hon Tambo spoke.
The SPEAKER: Thank you very much. Hon Makhubele?
Mr W T LETSIE: No, hon Speaker?
Mr S TAMBO: Speaker, you are recognising ANC speakers in
sequence and ignoring the EFF. Why? [Interjections.]
Ms P P MAKHUBELE-MARILELE: Hon Makhubele here. Thank you,
Speaker. [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Hon Letsie?
Mr W T LETSIE: Thank you very much, Speaker. I said that there
are members who are raising their hands on the platform and
you are not recognising us when we raise them to the point
where some members ... Speaker ... get agitated and speak
before ... So, please rectify that part. My point of order is
that members ... hon Malema and hon Shivambu just rise without
being recognised and you recognise them. Can we please show
consistency in recognising those who are raising their hands
... [Inaudible.]
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Ms O M C MAOTWE: Hey, chief, you’ve got nothing to say, wena
man. Sit down!
Mr W T LETSIE: Can the Table assist you when that happens so
that we don’t agitate members and assist these ones ...
[Inaudible.]
Mr T M LANGA: What is the point of order?
An HON MEMBER: What did he say there?
An HON MEMBER: Did he say anything? [Interjections]
The SPEAKER: Thank you, hon Letsie. Hon Shivambu followed by
hon Makhubele.
Mr N F SHIVAMBU: Thank you very much, Speaker. During the
interventions there was one ANC member here who said we are
murderers. They are mistaking us for their President who
killed workers in Marikana. We don’t kill people in the EFF
... [Inaudible.] [Interjections.] It’s your President who
kills people. You in the ANC ... [Inaudible.] ... everyday ...
[Inaudible.] I’m calling a point of order to say you must make
the member who said that, withdraw that statement.
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[Interjections.] Can you please make that person who said
that, withdraw that? [Interjections.] Today the message is
very clear, that we cannot be addressed by a money launderer.
[Interjections.] We cannot be addressed by a criminal. We
cannot be addressed by a money launderer, a kidnapper who
tortures people.
Ms N P MAHLO: Who are you? Who are you, wena? [Interjections.]
Ms C M PHIRI: Venda Building Society, VBS, Shivambu heist.
[Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Hon Shivambu, can you please withdraw? Hon
Shivambu, you are requested to withdraw. Hon Shivambu, we are
now throwing you out of the system. Will you please do that?
Mr N F SHIVAMBU: But you can’t throw me out for telling the
truth! [Inaudible.] [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Hon Makhubele, will you please ...
Interjections.]
Mr J S MALEMA: On a point of order, Speaker.
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The SPEAKER: Will you please make sure that you remove hon
Shivambu. Hon Makhubele?
Ms P P MAKHUBELE-MARILELE: Thank you, hon Speaker.
Mr J S MALEMA: Hon Speaker, on a point of order. Hon Speaker,
on a point of order.
The SPEAKER: There is no point of order, hon Malema. I’m not
allowing you to speak.
Mr J S MALEMA: The issue of hon Shivambu was ruled on by the
court.
The SPEAKER: You’ve been speaking. I’m not allowing you, hon
member. [Interjections.] Hon members ... Will you please mute
...
Mr J S MALEMA: The issue of hon Shivambu was ruled on by the
court ... that we can call Cyril Ramaphosa a murderer. There
is a court ruling on that. [Interjections.] [Inaudible.]
There’s a court ruling on that matter.
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The SPEAKER: I said will you please mute the people on the
virtual platform.
An HON MEMBER: Why? Why? What did we do?
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: But you can’t mute all of us. We want to
speak here. We have raised our hands here, Speaker.
The DEPUTY CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: I’m rising on a
point of procedure. The Chief Whips in the Programming
Committee adopted this programme and the item for today, which
is about the Budget Vote on the Presidency. The Constitution
of this country protects all of us. Sitting here, we are
14 parties. Hon Speaker, we cannot allow ... to be held at
ransom by one party. Can we as the 13 parties be protected? We
didn’t go anywhere to caucus that we want to disrupt the
House. We are here to execute our mandate as Members of
Parliament ... all of us ... all 13 parties. Can we be
protected? The one party that doesn’t want to be part of the
proceedings must be thrown out.
The SPEAKER: Thank you, hon Deputy Chief Whip.
Ms D R DIREKO: Order Speaker. I have an order, Speaker.
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The SPEAKER: Hon members, may I address you? I’m addressing
you now. Will you wait?
The principle that the privilege of freedom of speech ...
[Interjections.] ... may be ... What’s wrong with you? I am
addressing you. I am addressing you. No, don’t scream across.
Hon member? [Interjections.] Hon Mafela ... Hon Tafeni? Yes,
thank you. Thank you, hon member. Order, hon member! Hon Zulu,
please.
... the principle of the privilege of freedom of speech may be
limited only by the Rules was confirmed in the Democratic
Alliance v The Speaker of the National Assembly and others
ZACC 8, where the Constitutional Court found that the
privilege of freedom of speech, “can never go so far as to
give members a licence so to disrupt the proceedings of
Parliament that it may be hamstrung and incapacitated from
conducting its business.” According to the Court, this would
detract from the very reason for the existence of Parliament.
Hon members, this which I have just read ... I’m addressing
what is happening right now in this Chamber and I am saying to
you, will you please stop raising points of order which have
no sense.
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Ms N TAFENI: Hon Chair?
The SPEAKER: Yes, speak.
IsiXhosa:
Nksz N TAFENI: Enkosi Somlomo.
The SPEAKER: Thank you.
IsiXhosa:
Nksz N TAFENI: Somlomo, njengoko siwuthanda uMzantsi Afrika,
singabemi boMzantsi Afrika, ndicinga ukuba noko umntu xa
kusaphandwa ngaye akanalo ilungelo lokuba ... [Uwele-wele.]
Awunakuthathwa kusini na lo mba unikwe omnye umntu?
The SPEAKER: Hon member, sit down. Sit down!
IsiXhosa:
Ms N TAFENI: Kuba kusaphandwa ngaye kodwa nifuna ukumnika
ithuba lokuthetha, kuba kutheni? Xa siza kubonakala
singenasidima eMzantsi Afrika ...[Uwele-wele.]
The SPEAKER: Sit down hon member. Hon Papo, followed by hon
Dyantyi.
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IsiXhosa:
Nksz N TAFENI: Endaweni yokuba lo mntu asuke abe ehlala phaya
ecaleni
The SPEAKER: Sit down hon member.
Mr A H M PAPO: Speaker!
The SPEAKER: Yes, hon member!
IsiXhosa:
Nksz N TAFENI: Uthule ke wena, wangxola usekwa-A.
Mr A H M PAPO: the same member – you made a ruling on that
matter. The same member is actually repeating what you threw
those other members out of the House for. Secondly, member
Shivambu on the virtual platform opened the microphone and
started addressing and made unparliamentary statements ...
[Interjections.]
IsiXhosa:
ILUNGU ELIHLONIPHEKILEYO: Ayisiso isiphakamiso sonqwanqwado
esi uthetha ngaso wena; ...
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English:
... it is not a point of order.
Mr A H M PAPO: You correctly removed him from the platform. My
plea is that, defiance of the ruling you have made empowers
you to remove any member on the virtual platform and in the
House, because you can’t have a situation where a ruling of a
Speaker is defied in the House, is defied on the virtual
platform.
Actually, it is even easier on the virtual platform to remove
defiant members there. I am appealing to the Table and
yourself to monitor that space. Remove any member who defies
your ruling you have made, that the only matter we are
addressing today is the Budget Vote on the Presidency. Please
hon Speaker.
The SPEAKER: Thank you very much hon Papo. Hon Dyantyi
followed by hon Skwatsha. Hon Dyantyi.
Mr Q R DYANTYI: Thank you hon Speaker.
Mr S TAMBO: Hon Speaker, I have had my hand up for 40 minutes.
You are not recognising the House. You are treating this House
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as if it is only physical. You said virtual is part of the
House. Why are we now being muted like this?
The SPEAKER: Table will you please make sure that you mute
everybody ... [Interjections] ... sensitise me about ...
[Inaudible] ... please. [Interjections]
Mr S TAMBO: On a point of order. Point of order!
IsiXhosa:
ILUNGU ELIHLONIPHEKILEYO: Hayi wena Tambo, ...
English:
... relax.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: But, how are we going to speak when you mute
...[Interjections.]
Mr S TAMBO: On a point of order! You are excluding the
majority of the House which are on the virtual platform. How
do you do that?
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Mr Q R DYANTYI: Thank you hon Speaker. Following up on the
intervention made by hon Papo, I want to draw your attention
hon Speaker ...[Interjections.]
Mr P G MOTEKA: Our hands are up.
Mr Q R DYANTYI: ... on both Rule 92 and 70 because as we have
started here, quite a number of Rules have been broken. You
have read to the House Rule 92. I want to refer you to Rule
92, section 6 and 9. Section 6 says, no point of order may be
raised in response to a considered ruling which you have made
not once. Section 9 says, members may not disrupt proceedings
by raising points of orders that do not comply with this. Rule
70 attends to the fact that; these members have been made –
hon Tafeni as well as hon ... I forgot his name ...
[Interjections]
An HON MEMBER: Help him, Mafanya.
Mr Q R DYANTYI: ... have consistently repeated the same on the
same ruling that you have made. When you speak, in the middle
of your ruling they interrupt you. I urge you, hon Speaker to
just be firm, you are well empowered in the Rules. Even if it
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means one by one, we will deal with that. We are here for
that.
The SPEAKER: Thank you hon Dyantyi.
Ms N TAFENI: Speaker!
Mr W T I MAFANYA: Point of order! Point of order Speaker, that
is intimidation.
The SPEAKER: Hon ... what’s ...
Mr W T I MAFANYA: That is plain intimidation whether you say
you see, but it is intimidation. Secondly, ...
[Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Hon Tafeni and hon Mafanya!
Mr W T I MAFANYA: Yes.
The SPEAKER: May I address you!
Ms N TAFENI: But it is a point of order Speaker.
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The SPEAKER: Hon Tafeni and hon Mafanya, Rule 92 provides
amongst others, I repeat that, a member may raise a point of
order at any time during the proceedings of the House, in
terms of the procedure prescribed in Rule 66. A point of order
is only allowed if it calls attention to a transgression of a
Rule or an accepted parliamentary practise.
Now, I want to proceed by saying, the Constitutional Court
ruled that, the privilege of freedom of speech can never go as
far as to give members a licence to disrupt the proceedings.
Now, you are disrupting the proceedings. Hon Tafeni, and hon
Mafanya, I did give you an opportunity to speak and I am now
ruling that, your points of order are not in line with what I
have just read. Thank you very much.
Ms N TAFENI: Hon Speaker, the EFF members on virtual are
muted, all of them ...
Isixhosa:
... ngoko ndicela ... [Ngokungavakaliyo]...
English:
... all of us.
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The SPEAKER: Hon Tafeni!
Ms N TAFENI: Speaker!
The SPEAKER: Hon Tafeni, I warn you. [Interjections] I warn
you hon Tafeni. Serjeant-at-arms will you please proceed to
help assist ...[Interjections.]
Ms N TAFENI: Unmute those members that are not ...[Inaudible.]
The SPEAKER: Assist hon Tafeni.
Mr W T I MAFANYA: On a point of order Chair! Madam Speaker!
The SPEAKER: Hon ...
Mr W T I MAFANYA: It seems you are going to remove all of us.
I want to put this thing on record. Madam Speaker, I want to
put this on record. The country is where ...[Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Hon Mafanya!
Mr S TAMBO: On a point of order Speaker!
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Mr X NQOLA: What point are you rising on?
Mr W T I MAFANYA: ... because of the actions of the ruling
party. They even defended President Zuma ...[Interjections.]
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: But Speaker she is raising a relevant point
there; you can’t mute us on the platform. Why are you
...[Interjections.]
Mr P M P MODISE: Which Rule are you rising on?
Mr S TAMBO: You have muted the majority of Parliament on the
virtual platform, you are out of order. How do you do that?
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: But you are worse than Baleka now.
[Interjections]
The SPEAKER: Hon Mafanya!
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Why are you removing ...[Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Hon Mafanya, why are you disregarding the ruling
of the Chair? [Interjections]
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Mr S TAMBO: You have muted Parliament. [Interjections]
IsiXhosa:
ILUNGU ELIHLONIPHEKILEYO: Sikhutshelwa ni?
English:
We want to know.
IsiXhosa:
Sikhutshelwa ni emsebenzini? [Uwele-wele]
An HON MEMBER: You don’t even recognise the hands of
...[Inaudible][Interjections]
An HON MEMBER: You want to speak amongst yourselves.
[Inaudible] ... this thing about, it is not about you.
Mr S TAMBO: On a point of order Speaker, we are on the virtual
platform it is not about you. This thing is about South
Africans.
The SPEAKER: Now I read to you Rule 70 which says ...
[Interjections.]
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An HON MEMBER: We have raised our hands, unmute us.
The SPEAKER: ... if the presiding officer is of the view that,
a member is deliberately contravening a provision of the
Rules, ... [Interjections.]
Mr S TAMBO: On a point of order Speaker! On a point of order
Speaker! On a point of order Speaker! On virtual platform,
there is a point of order
The SPEAKER: ... or that the member is disregarding the
authority of the Chair, ...[Interjections] ... or that a
member is ... [Inaudible] ... disorderly. [Interjections]
Mr S TAMBO: There is a point of order Speaker.
The SPEAKER: He or she may order the member to leave the
Chamber immediately for the remainder of the day’s sitting.
[Interjections]
Mr S TAMBO: There is a point of order on the virtual platform.
Point of order Speaker.
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The SPEAKER: I have given you the opportunity. I have warned
you, not once, I have warned you twice. May you now leave the
Chamber. [Interjections]
An HON MEMBER: Point of order! What is this ...[Inaudible.]
Ms N V MENTE: [Inaudible] ...like that. You can’t be throwing
out people like that. what did they do wrong?
Mr W T I MAFANYA: Thank you Madam Speaker. Can you bring the
bouncers to come and pick me up?
The SPEAKER: Hon Mafanya, will you please leave the Chamber.
[Interjections]
IsiZulu:
Nk M S KHAWULA: Nimatasatasa nidlala ngabantu nina lapho.
Nidlala amasela.
An HON MEMBER: Speaker, will you please recognise us here.
Ms N P SONTI: Please recognise us.
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The SPEAKER: Serjeant-at-arms, please assist him to leave the
Chamber.
An HON MEMBER: Speaker, on a point of order! [Inaudible]
...cancelled from the house.
An HON MEMBER: Which Rule?
An HON MEMBER: Speaker!
An HON MEMBER: Order!
An HON MEMBER: Rule 69.
Ms N P SONTI: Speaker! Speaker!
Mr J S MALEMA: You must not go Mafanya, it is not her House.
[Interjections]
An HON MEMBER: Speaker! Speaker!
An HON MEMBER: That Speaker is not helpful.
Ms N P SONTI: Speaker!
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An HON MEMBER: We are doing exactly what we did to Zuma. That
is your modus operandi.
IsiZulu:
Nk M S KHAWULA: Imali engaka eniyintshontshile isigelekeqe ...
[Akuzwakali.] ... nezingane zaso.
An HON MEMBER: You are protecting the status quo, that’s a
dangerous thing about you. You are dangerous. You are an in-
house ...[Inaudible.] That is the worst position ...
The SPEAKER: I am informed that the member refuses to leave
the House. I have given you an opportunity to comply with the
directives of the Chair as assisted by the Serjeant-at-arms as
this conduct is now directly impeding on the ability of the
House to conduct its business. I now call upon the
Parliamentary Protection Services in terms of rule 73(2) to
assist the Serjeant-at-arms to remove the hon member from the
House.
An HON MEMBER: Do that to Ramaphosa too.
An HON MEMBER: A suspected thief must also go. Ramaphosa must
... [Inaudible.]
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Ms N P SONTI: Speaker!
An HON MEMBER: Speaker on a point of order.
IsiXhosa:
Ms N P SONTI: Ewe makathethe u ...
English:
... national chairperson.
An HON MEMBER: On a point of order Speaker!
Mr J S MALEMA: Can I address you Speaker?
IsiZulu:
Nk M S KHAWULA: Ziyakhala manje. Zikhala ngempela-ke manje.
Mr J S MALEMA: Hon Speaker, can I address you?
Ms N P SONTI: Mazikhale, mazikhale.
An HON MEMBER: On what Rule are you ... [Interjections.]
IsiZulu:
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Nk M S KHAWULA: Ehe! Ziyakhala impela-ke manje kuMongameli
wenu. Nganitshela. Niloku nithi, thuma mina, thuma mina,
nimthumela khona ukuthi ayontshontsha. Ziykhala manje
Ms N P SONTI: Mazikhale.
Mr J S MALEMA: Speaker, can I make you work easier?
IsiZulu:
Nk M S KHAWULA: Zikhala ngempela-ke manje.
An HON MEMBER: On what Rule hon Malema? [Interjections]
An HON MEMBER: Rule 69, Rule 69. [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Thank you hon members. Hon members, order!
[Interjections.] hon members ... [Interjections.] I will give
you an opportunity, but if your point of order is not ...
[Interjections]
IsiXhosa:
Nksz N P SONTI: Khawunike umongameli wam athethe Somlomo.
Khawumnike, khawumnike.
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The SPEAKER: ... in line with what we are doing, I will not
allow you to proceed.
Mr J S MALEMA: Let me help you, it’s hon Malema here.
The SPEAKER: Hon Mente!
Ms N V MENTE: Yes, Speaker!
The SPEAKER: Hon Mente!
Ms N V MENTE: Yes, Speaker, the president needs to speak.
Please give it to him.
The SPEAKER: Hon Mkhaliphi!
Mr J S MALEMA: Speaker, can I say something please.
The SPEAKER: Hon Mkhaliphi!
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: But, give the president the platform, you
know the protocol.
The SPEAKER: I have a list of hands before me.
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Ms H O MKHALIPHI: No, leave the list, give the president.
The SPEAKER: Hon Hlonyane!
Ms N V MENTE: You are speaking to the members of the EFF, we
are telling you that, instead of Mente speaking, allow the hon
Julius Malema to speak.
The SPEAKER: Hon Maotwe!
An HON MEMBER: This is not a house of EFF.
IsiXhosa:
ILUNGU ELIHLONIPHEKILEYO: Hayi suka wena thula.
Ms O M C MAOTWE: This is not the way of doing things Speaker,
we said give it to the president. You can’t be calling me,
give it to the president.
The SPEAKER: Hon Tambo!
Mr J S MALEMA: Hon Speaker, it’s hon Malema here.
The SPEAKER: Hon Montwedi! [Interjections]
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Ms O M C MAOTWE: What is that, that you are doing?
[Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: Lastly hon Malema. Hon Malema!
An HON MEMBER: If you mute them ... [Inaudible] ... Speaker
...[Inaudible.]
Mr J S MALEMA: Thank you hon Speaker. I want to take this
opportunity to announce that we are not going to be listening
to money launderer, a murderer of Marikana and the way you
have conducted yourself ...[Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: You are out of order hon member. Withdraw hon
member! Hon Malema, will you withdraw that! Withdraw what you
just said.
Mr J S MALEMA: We are walking out of this Parliament. We will
not listen to a money launderer ...[Interjections.] You are
repeating what you have done with Zuma. Go on ...[Inaudible]
...one day for protecting a criminal ...he is a money
launderer; he is a torturer, a murderer ... [Interjections] he
... [Inaudible] money and keeps money under the mattress. We
are not going to listen.
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IsiZulu:
Nk M S KHAWULA: Ziyakhala-ke manje.
The SPEAKER: Hon Papo!
IsiXhosa:
ILUNGU ELIHLONIPHEKILEYO: Hamba Julius.
Mr A H M PAPO: I was going to request you hon Speaker
...[Interjections.]
IsiXhosa:
Akukho Julius ngumongameli wethu lo.
ILUNGU ELIHLONIPHEKILEYO: Ungubani wena, ufuna ntoni? [Uwele-
wele]
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: But Speaker, ... [Interjections] The
President of the EFF has not finished, he is still speaking.
[Interjections] Why do you do that?
The SPEAKER: Hon members, may I just indicate to all of you
that, I am not taking any more hands.
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Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Don’t be a dictator.
The SPEAKER: I have been patient enough.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: That is against the rules, you can’t just do
that. [Interjections] Don’t be a dictator here by protecting a
... [Inaudible] ... who is a money launderer.
The SPEAKER: Hon members, it is important to say this here and
now that, the President is here to present his Vote of
...[Interjections]
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: What President? The one... [Interjections]
IsiXhosa:
Ilungu elihloniphekileyo: Asinaye uMongameli.
The SPEAKER: In fact, the DA and the ...[Inaudible] ... have
actually submitted questions for written reply to the
President. [Interjections.] These questions are being
processed by the Questions Office. The questions are on the
matter they are raising now on allegations about the
President. That process must be allowed to run its course.
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An HON MEMBER: Ramaphosa has hidden the money under the
mattress. [Interjections]
An HON MEMBER: There is a hand Speaker! [Interjections]
The SPEAKER: Order! Order hon members, I ...[Interjections]
Mr J S MALEMA: Ramaphosa will not speak here.
The SPEAKER: Order hon members, I will not ...[Inaudible] ...
any more hands.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: You are worse than Baleka, Mapisa Nqakula,
you are worse than Baleka. ...[Interjections] ... who is
looting the state coffers ... [Interjections.]
IsiXhosa:
ILUNGU ELIHLONIPHEKILEYO: URamaphosa lisela qha. uRamaphosa yi
...
English:
... money launderer.
An HON MEMBER: Point of order Speaker, we need to speak here.
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An HON MEMBER: Ramaphosa is a money launderer.
An HON MEMBER: Nosiviwe you are behaving like Mbethe.
IsiXhosa:
ILUNGU ELIHLONIPHEKILEYO: Ngumbulali uRamaphosa ...[Uwele-
wele.]
An Hon MEMBER: We are leaving Speaker! We are leaving.
[Interjections]
The PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC: Hon Speaker of the National
Assembly, hon members ... [Interjections.]
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: On a point of order.
An HON MEMBER: We are not going to allow ...
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: On a point of order. Where is our money?
An HON MEMBER: Please, recognise us.
The PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC: ... as this Sixth
Administration as well as this Parliament ... [Interjections.]
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An HON MEMBER: Please recognise us.
An HON MEMBER: Where is the money? [Interjections.]
The PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC: ... every South African ...
[Interjections] ... and woman and child ... [Interjections.]
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Speaker, what you are doing right now ...
[Interjections.]
An HON MEMBER: On a point of order. [Interjections.]
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: You are in breach of parliamentary Rules.
The PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC: ... greatest disservice ...
[Interjections.]
An HON MEMBER: Ramaphosa, the thug. [Interjections.]
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: You must go to jail, Ramaphosa.
[Interjections.] You cannot mute, you have no right to mute us
and pretend like we are not talking here on the platform.
[Interjections.]
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The SPEAKER: There was a long list I recognised.
[Interjections.]
An HON MEMBER: Speaker. Call bouncers.
The SPEAKER: ... express themselves ... [Interjections.] ... I
will not recognise them. [Interjections.]
Mr N L S KWANKWA: No, no, I just want guidance ...
[Interjections.] ... from the virtual platform.
[Interjections.]
An HON MEMBER: On a point of order, Speaker.
Mr N L S KWANKWA: ... the response that the President ...
[Interjections.] ... because we won’t be able to hear what the
President ... [Interjections.]
The SPEAKER: We have not switched off the debate, they can
hear.
An HON MEMBER: On a point of order.
The SPEAKER: People will raise their hand on the platform.
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An HON MEMBER: Please allow us to speak.
The SPEAKER: We will now proceed. We will listen to the
President and allow him to finish his speech. [Interjections.]
An HON MEMBER: My hand is up. [Interjections.]
An HON MEMBER: This is not Phala Phala. [Interjections.]
An HON MEMBER: Speaker, the hand of the national spokesperson,
hon Tambo has had her hand up for more than 40 minutes.
[Interjections.] ... You are selective and emotional.
[Interjections.]
An HON MEMBER: He is a money launderer.
An HON MEMBER: Call the bouncers.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: [Inaudible.]
The SPEAKER: Thank you, hon Mazzone. Hon members, table staff,
I have directed you to mute all the people who are on the
platform. Only allow them to raise their hands, but not to
when they are not recognised. That does not affect the people
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who are in the Chamber. The people in the Chamber, there is no
way we have muted you. It is not true. I have pleaded with
you, as hon members, as leaders of society that you allow the
President to present his Budget Vote. If you feel strongly
about raising issues with him, you’ll have an opportunity this
afternoon to raise those issues when you debate his speech.
That’s what I am saying. That is my ruling, hon members. I
will not allow anyone from now onwards until the President
finishes. No one will be allowed to raise a point of order
because unfortunately the points of order are frivolous. Thank
you very much, hon members. You may proceed, hon Mr President.
The PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC: ... [Laughter] ... I don’t know
about that. Thank you, hon Speaker, as I was saying, the
people of our country must come first in everything that we
do. The greatest disservice we can do to our people at this
difficult time in the life of our nation is to become
distracted from the task that is at hand. The challenges that
we face as a country are many. We are still in the grip of a
devastating pandemic that has caused over 100 000 reported
deaths in our country.
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Poverty, unemployment and underdevelopment continues to cast a
heavy cloud and these are preventing many of our people from
leading lives of dignity and better lives.
In recent times, we are having to deal with another problem,
which is the rising costs of living. Cost of fuel has gone up,
food, utilities like water, and electricity has made it
increasingly difficult for the majority of our people to get
by and to pay their bills and also to feed their children and
families.
We continue to count the cost of last year’s July unrests in
parts of the country and the human and economic impact of
recent floods in KwaZulu-Natal and Eastern Cape and the North
West as well. These are the issues that we are seized with as
government because they are the bread and butter issues that
have always mattered the most to our people.
As a great revolutionary, Amilcar Cabral, once reminded the
liberation movements of post independent Africa. He said:
Always bear in mind that the people are not fighting for
ideas, for the things in anyone’s head. They are fighting
to win material benefits, to live better and in peace, to
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see their lives go forward, to guarantee the future of
their children ...
What the people of South Africa want above all is to see their
quality of life improving. They do not care about the
political squabbles, the competition between political
parties, the intrigues, the plots and the rivalries, they are
least concerned about that. They want better basic services,
they want jobs and opportunities to better themselves and to
better the lives of their families. They want to live, they
want to study, and they want to work in environments free of
crime and violence.
Amidst our challenges, there is cause for optimism that is
looming on the horizon. The economy is beginning to show
positive signs of recovery. These signs may not be sufficient
to lift all boats. I presented this Presidency Budget Vote in
a week that Statistics SA announced that in the first quarter
of 2022, our economy grew by 1,9%. Clearly, we all know that
that is not sufficient. We want to see a much higher growth
rate for our economy. The growth that we have however
experienced in recent quarters has brought the economy to
prepandemic levels much sooner than analysts had expected. We
all know that we want to see a much higher level of growth.
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Real gross domestic product, GDP, is slightly higher than what
it was before the pandemic. This recovery is consistent across
most of the major sectors of the economy such as
manufacturing, trade, utilities, finance, personal services,
mining, as well as agriculture. Our trade figures show further
evidence of economic recovery if we care to look at indicators
like that.
In 2021, we posted the largest trade surplus on record of
R448 billion, the highest that we have posted since 1987. Last
week, the latest Quarterly Labour Force Survey was released
showing that the number of unemployed people in the country
dropped in the first three months of 2022. I will however be
pleased when I see these Quarterly Labour Force Surveys
indicating a much higher level of employment creation. What
they showed translates to 370 000 jobs created between the
last quarter of 2021 and the first quarter of this year. We
all want to see a much bigger number of people getting into
employment.
Madam Speaker, I also presented this Budget Vote in the year
that the Fourth South African Investment Conference raised
investment pledges to the value of R332 billion. These are
pledges. We have seen some of these pledges being realised
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into real investment. We do forever have hope that a number of
these pledges will turn into real investments. I have been to
places where I have seen how companies that make pledges in
various conferences that we have held have turned them into
real investment.
Thus brings us within reach of the target that we set in 2018
of attracting R1,2 trillion in investment over a five-year
period. The outcome of the conference showed renewed business,
investor confidence in our economy and in our reform process.
I would argue that many of these businesses who have come to
these investment conferences would not be declaring their
intentions to invest further or to invest in greenfield
projects if they did not have confidence that we have embarked
on a reform process that can make their investments viable.
In recent weeks, there has also been encouraging progress by
law enforcement authorities in pursuing cases from state
capture era. We all read about some of these initiatives that
they are making. These rare the green shoots of recovery and
also of progress. These are the signs that we are on the right
track. Many people may argue that we are not, but I can
definitely say that the country is beginning to move in the
right direction. This should give us hope and confidence to
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forge ahead. We are not standing in one place, we are moving
forward.
Hon members, since the Sixth Administration took office in
2019, we have been seized with restoring state capacity and
with forging whole of society partnerships with business,
labour and civil society on the actions that are needed to
rebuild our economy. Building a capable state and restoring
integrity and professionalism in the public service has been
our foremost priority. What we have sought to do over the past
four years was to locate The Presidency at the centre of an
integrated government - a government working together across
all the various structures that are in our state. From these
centre, we have been leading the drive to reconstruct the
nation’s economy in a manner that is inclusive and a manner
that leaves no one behind.
In this year’ state of the nation address, I outlined our key
priorities for the year that lies ahead. These priorities are
to grow the economy and to create jobs, to fight corruption,
make communities safer, build better lives for all our people
and make government work for the people of our country. We
have been doing all these whilst working to ensure a swift
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recovery from COVID-19 pandemic and mitigating the impact of
the recent floods that we have experienced.
At the heart of our growth strategy is a bold and far-reaching
economy reform agenda. These reforms are being driven by the
relevant government departments as well as agencies and
supported by Operation Vulindlela, which is an initiative in
The Presidency and our Treasury. These reforms aim to achieve
an affordable and reliable supply of electricity and efficient
trade transport, amongst other things. They aim to achieve
long-term water security for our country and our people,
cheaper mobile data for all South Africans and a visa regime
that will facilitate ... [Interjections.] ... tourism and
investment. [Interjections.]
Ms B MATHULELWA: Hon Speaker, on a point of order.
The SPEAKER: Hon member, you have just stepped in, and I have
just made a ruling that I will not allow anyone to make a
point of order because we have taken an hour ...
Ms B MATHULELWA: But our members in the platform are muted,
Speaker.
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The SPEAKER: Everybody is muted.
Ms B MATHULELWA: Please, unmute them.
The SPEAKER: Thank you. [Interjections.]
Ms B MATHULELWA: Because you have muted our members. They are
participating. Unmute them. There is no problem. Your ruling
is right but just unmute them on the platform.
The SPEAKER: Hon member, switch off your microphone.
Ms B MATHULELWA: Unmute our members on the platform.
The SPEAKER: Please, switch off your microphone.
Ms B MATHULELWA: Are you going to unmute them?
The SPEAKER: Switch off.
Ms B MATHULELWA: Are you going to unmute them?
The SPEAKER: Serjeant-at-arms ... I am now warning you.
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Ms B MATHULELWA: Serjeant-at-arms for what? You are ruling
from the air, no ruling like that ...
The SPEAKER: Hon member, Mathulelwa ...
Ms B MATHULELWA: I will sit here. No Serjeant-at-arms will
come to me.
The SPEAKER: Serjeant-at-arms.
Ms B MATHULELWA: He must never come to me. You must unmute our
members on the virtual platform, hon Speaker. And we are not
going to be addressed by a criminal. We are not going to be
addressed by a money launderer. We are not going to be
addressed by a criminal.
The SPEAKER: Hon member, will you please withdraw that?
Ms B MATHULELWA: I am not leaving. What are you going to do?
The SPEAKER: Please withdraw that, hon member? Thank you very
much. Serjeant-at-arms, will you please remove the member from
the House?
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Ms B MATHULELWA: Unmute our members first.
IsiXhosa:
Asihlelanga kwakho apha. Wena ulawula njee utyhatyhiwe
awukwazi nokuba ukhe ukhankanye umthetho owusebenzisayo
ukuwisa isigwebo.
Ms B MATHULELWA: ... Serjeant-at-arms for what? Is the
Serjeant–at-arms a Member of Parliament? I can’t leave the
Chamber before they unmute our members on the virtual
platform. We are attending ...
The SPEAKER: Thank you very much ...
Ms B MATHULELWA: This is our Parliament, not for Serjeant-at-
arms. This one is ours.
IsiXhosa:
Akukhotsotsi wemali oza kuthetha nathi apha.
The SPEAKER: Hon member, I have given you a further
opportunity ... [Interjections.]
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Ms B MATHULELWA: There is no opportunity like this. This one
is not an opportunity.
The SPEAKER: ... to comply with the directive of ...
[Interjections.]
Ms B MATHULELWA: Give me a real opportunity.
The SPEAKER: ... assisted by the Serjeant-at-arms as this
conduct is now directly impeding the ability of the House to
conduct its business. [Interjections.]
Ms B MATHULELWA: You must first call the Serjeant-at-arms to
remove the criminal first. The money launderer. I am not a
criminal.
IsiXhosa:
Mna apha andililo isela, kwaye zange ndibulale bantu
eMarikana. Andinguye umbulali mna. Khuphani umbalali kuqala.
Ndiyacela Mongameli ukuba kuphume wena endaweni yam.
The SPEAKER: Protection services you are taking too long.
Please remove the member from the House. [Interjections.]
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Ms B MATHULELWA: I excuse you for what?
The SPEAKER: Thank you very much, hon members. Hon members,
may I just address ... Serjeant-at-arms, when you reported to
me that they are refusing to leave the House. When I say now
you may remove them, the Parliament protection service must
move with speed, because what I have observed now is that they
take too long to come in and do what they are expected to do.
And that delays the House. Mr President, you may continue with
your speech.
The PRESIDENT: Thank you, hon Speaker. These reforms aimed on
the long-term basis to ensure that there is water security in
our country, there’s cheaper mobile data for all South
Africans and that our visa regime which has been raised
repeatedly by various people, business and otherwise
facilitates tourism as well as investment. We are firmly on
track to implement the reforms that we outlined in the state
of the nation address, and reforms that have been highlighted
and even requested by a number of stakeholders in our economy.
Reforms that are necessary to inject growth in our economy. In
March, the long-awaited spectrum auction was completed to
expand access to the internet and to reduce the cost of data,
for the first time in more than a decade. This was a difficult
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and complex process. Therefore, we are grateful to all those
who have involved who made this possible. It took us a decade
when it should have taken us much shorter.
In April, Bid Window 6 of the renewable energy procurement
programme was opened for 2 600 megawatts of solar and wind
power. The first three risk mitigation projects have signed
their power purchase agreements. These projects represent some
of the largest hybrid solar and battery storage projects in
the world, and they are happening here in South Africa. The
Electricity Regulation Amendment Bill that provides for the
establishment of a separate transmission company and a
competitive market for electricity has been published for
comment, and we are now working to table the final version in
Parliament in the coming months. We initiated this believing
that it will enhance the better generation of electricity and
the transmission thereof and we will see much better
electricity availability in our country. In April, Transnet
made 16 slots on its network available to private rail
operators as the first step towards ensuring third party
access to some of the country’s freight lines. This will
enable greater efficiency and support our export industries.
This in the end will be the private sector and the public
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sector working together and making sure that we do have a
competitive transport line system.
The Department of Water and Sanitation is hard at work to
clear the backlog of water use license applications by June
2022. To date, it has finalised 897 applications and will
clear the remaining 546 applications by the end of this month.
These applications had accumulated over a number of years.
Therefore, the reform process that we have embarked upon is
clearing all these backlogs and making sure that our water
regulation system works much better. Through this we will be
able to unlock levers of the economy to enable growth to
follow. We are on the cusp of a fundamental transformation in
the electricity sector, which is undergoing the most
significant reform process in our country’s history. Once
these changes are implemented, we will have multiple
generators competing to supply electricity at the lowest cost
to the consumer and selling power directly to consumers. We
will unleash new public and private sector investment in
generation at a massive scale. In the short term, however, we
are seized with the need to get as much new generation
capacity onto the grid as possible, but also as quickly as
possible. The current electricity shortfall is estimated at up
to 6 000 megawatts.
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We will soon be introducing extra measures to bring new
capacity online. We will work to close the electricity gap in
six ways: Firstly, we will improve the performance of existing
power stations and ensure that additional units at Medupi and
Kusile come online according to schedule; secondly, we will
ensure that projects from existing procurement, including Bid
Window 5, are able to reach close and connect to the grid as
quickly as possible; thirdly, we will accelerate private
sector investment in generation under 100 megawatts; fourthly,
we will enable Eskom to purchase surplus power from existing
power producers without too many regulations that stop this
from happening; fifthly, we will support municipalities to
procure power independently without much regulation standing
in their way; and sixthly, we will encourage households and
businesses to invest in small-scale solar power installations
themselves to feed energy that they are not using to the grid
as well.
Hon Speaker, work is already underway in each of these areas.
There is co-ordination with all relevant departments, with
Eskom and the private sector to accelerate embedded generation
projects that are already on the way to being implemented. We
have already simplified the registration process by removing
the requirement of a power purchase agreement for
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registration. We also shortened the timeframes for
environmental authorisation, and increased Eskom’s capacity to
process grid connection applications. All these impediments
were standing in the way of enabling those who want to
generate energy to move ahead with their projects. Now, the
reform process has taken out all those impediments and we are
now going to move forward with greater speed and greater
determination. The first two embedded generation projects
under 100 megawatts were successfully registered two weeks
ago, and a further 16 projects were registered by the
regulator this very week. A total of 68 projects are now in
development, and a combined capacity of over 5 000 megawatts
that will begin to connect to the grid over the next few
months is also what we look forward. Alongside these immediate
interventions, the Department of Mineral Resources and Energy
will drive the process of reviewing and updating our
Integrated Resource Plan for 2019, to ensure that it remains
relevant in the light of the electricity shortfall and our
climate change commitments. This is work that is already
underway.
When the sixth administration commenced its work, we said that
forging social compacts across society would be critical to
addressing our developmental challenges. Unless, we said, we
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consistently strive to achieve broad consensus in the
direction in which we want to take the country, we will run
the risk of our efforts becoming stalled and even becoming
diverted. Since 2018, the Presidency has established a number
of processes to forge consensus on the broader economic
recovery, the Fourth Industrial Revolution, the reform of our
state-owned enterprises, climate change as well as corruption.
We also sought to engage at the Presidency level with
important role-players in our country such as traditional
leaders to address their specific challenges, including the
issue of land. We also sought to engage with religious leaders
to address the various issues that were brought to the table.
Deputy President has led this process, and will report further
on the work that he has been doing. Deputy President has also
been engaged and has been delegated to deal with the long-
standing challenges that an important community in our country
has raised over and over, and these are former liberation
combatants, the people who fought for the liberation of our
country regarding the problems that they’ve continued to
experience. The Deputy President may well touch on this as he
speaks.
Bringing together key stakeholders with varying ranges of
expertise ultimately enhances the capacity of the state. This
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continues to aid the policy-making process in our country. It
ensures that all of society is involved in our country’s
development and ensures that those who are able to make a
contribution also feel part of the process of building our
nation. An example of how this is being done effectively is
through the Presidential Climate Change Commission, which is
currently finalising a Just Transition Framework that will
guide our transition to a low-carbon, inclusive, climate
resilient economy as well as society. Now, we have brought a
whole range of key role-players who are making a contribution
on our climate change ambitions.
In tandem, the Presidential Climate Finance Task Team that I
established earlier this year is working at an expert level on
the agreement that will take forward the Just Energy
Transition Partnership which was concluded between South
Africa and governments of France, Germany, the United States,
US, the United Kingdom, as well as the European Union last
year. These are important processes that bring together, I
would say, the brain power of our nation collectively both in
government, in the private sector and labour, and a number of
other key role-players. This partnership will mobilise climate
finance to enable transition to a low-carbon economy while
supporting affected workers and communities. The work that
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they are doing will finally be brought to Parliament so that
we as the important key law-makers will be able to examine
precisely what they have been working on.
Our focus will be on supporting a just transition in the
electricity and automotive sectors as well as the development
of our green hydrogen sector which in many ways is beckoning,
is calling us to embrace it and to get involved in a much more
proactive manner. The work of the Presidential state-owned
entity, SOE, Council is also far advanced. The council has as
its members, people from labour, from business, from
government, from academia and many other sectors in our
country. The council has developed criteria to determine which
SOEs should be considered strategic and which are critical for
the future development of our country. It has also assessed 17
SOEs and will complete the remaining assessments by July of
this year. The broader context of the reform process is to
improve the overall business operating environment and to
improve our country’s competitiveness as an investment
destination. To this end, we have finalised the bounce-back
loan scheme, which gives additional funding to businesses to
grow the economy and also to create jobs.
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In March, the employee tax incentive was expanded to make it
easier for employers to hire more young people. You may recall
that this initiative has been hugely successful in creating
jobs for young people, for first time workseekers and many
companies are now expected to participate in this in larger
numbers as it has proven to be very efficient scheme, indeed.
As part of our drive to create new generation of black
industrialists, to create jobs and to transform the economy,
last year government approved R2,5 billion in new support to
about 180 black industrialists in the form of loans as well as
grants. Over the next three years a further R21 billion has
been committed to support black industrialists and an
additional R25 billion to support black, women, youth and
worker-owned enterprises.
Policy certainty in the mining sector has been bolstered by
the publication of the long-awaited Mining Exploration
Strategy. The infrastructure office continues with its work of
oversight and co-ordination over a number of catalytic
infrastructure projects and seeking to ensure that bankable
projects come to life and that we speed up the process of
ensuring that infrastructure projects do actually get
implemented. These include the bridge building process in the
rural areas. This also include rural roads, social
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infrastructure, bulk water installations and others. To
address onerous bureaucracy that often impedes businesses from
growing, the red tape reduction team, that I spoke about
during state of the nation address, is working with other
departments in government to identify priority interventions
as well to remove obstacles to growth. In many ways the
bureaucracy, the red tape has been what is holding back the
growth of small and medium enterprises, and more broadly our
economy as well. These initiatives take a collaborative and
supportive approach, because ultimately it is the departments
and not the Presidency that implement policy. We are seeing
more and more collaborative work in various government
departments. The mentality of doing things on their own sake
as departments is beginning to whittle away as departments now
see that the best way to achieve success is to work
collaboratively with others.
One of the tasks of government is to devise innovative
solutions to address joblessness, particularly in a climate
where there is a shortage of employment opportunities at a
time when the private sector is not creating enough jobs at
scale. During the past two years, we have overseen an
expansion of public employment that is unprecedented in speed,
scale, and innovation and granted this started during
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coronavirus disease, Covid. Covid created an opportunity for
innovation and an opportunity for better co-ordination amongst
government departments. The Presidential Employment Stimulus
has enabled the rapid expansion of public employment and
provided much-needed relief to mitigate the effects of the
Covid-19 pandemic. To date, the Presidential Employment
Stimulus has created 879 000 opportunities, and largely to
young people, to women in a variety of areas. Of the
participants across both phases, 84% are youth and 62% are
women.
These programmes, which range from work such as waste
collection to small-scale farming, have provided work and an
income for hundreds of thousands of people in both urban and
rural areas. The programme has provided livelihood support to
people working in the arts and culture space as part of our
commitments to support recovery and this vital sector of our
economy and our society. It is a great boost for food security
and agricultural reform, around 65 000 small-scale farmers
have received input vouchers to buy seeds, fertilisers and
equipment. I’m told that this has freed many thousands of
hectares from just lying fallow to being hectares of land
where there is agricultural activity. The latest programme to
be launched through the employment stimulus is the Social
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Employment Fund, which has started to recruit some 50 000
participants in community safety, food and nutrition, digital
inclusion, sports, arts, and recreation.
A further 50 000 participants will be recruited for the
revitalised National Youth Service, of which more than 7 000
have already started work. Though much has been achieved and
done, it is clear that we do need to do more. Working together
with the private sector we should be able to do much more.
With the Special Covid-19 Social Relief of Distress Grant
extended until the end of March 2023, as government we
continue to explore what sustainable social protection
measures can be implemented to support society’s most
vulnerable people. We are working in earnest to conclude our
negotiations on a social compact, as stated during the state
of the nation address. The discussions that we are having with
social partners are dealing with difficult issues. Issues that
need to be addressed that have wide-ranging implications for
our economy. We are hoping to build a new consensus that pairs
economic reform with measures to support employment and expand
social protection as well. We are determined that the social
compact that we are seeking to build will be substantial as
well as meaningful, and that it should make a real and lasting
difference in the trajectory of our economy as well.
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Hon members, our experience with the Covid-19 pandemic has
shown how much can be achieved when all of society works
together to achieve a common goal. Thanks to this
collaborative effort we were able to mitigate the pandemic’s
worst effects on human health as well as livelihoods. We are
one of those countries that we are able to navigate our way
through the pandemic rather well we could have done better,
but we do rank amongst those counties that did lot better
others. To date, approximately half of all adult South
Africans have received at least one Covid-19 vaccine dose, and
our priority is to increase the rate of vaccination to protect
our people against possible new waves in the future. There has
been vaccine hesitancy across our country and, indeed, cross
our continent, but we remain hopeful that more and more of our
people will be willing to get vaccinated. However, I do once
again want to encourage our people to vaccinate against Covid-
19, to wear masks and to follow all the preventative measures.
Over the past three years, we have been at the forefront of
advocacy as a country for developing countries to manufacture
their own vaccines in the interests of current and future
health security. When we talk about vaccines we are not only
talking about Covid-19 vaccines, but all types of vaccines. As
we know, South Africa alongside India has co-sponsored a
proposal to the World Trade Organisation for a temporary
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waiver of the Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property
Rights, Trips, agreement.
We are using our position as African Union Covid-19 Champion
to encourage developed countries and international agencies
who procure vaccines to purchase vaccines from African
manufacturers. South Africa has been hard at work within the
African Union, AU, structures to advance the cause of greater
pandemic preparedness for our continent. This includes
strengthening public health institutions, expanding
manufacturing of medical countermeasures on the continent,
establishing a fit-for-purpose health workforce on the
continent that can sustain universal health coverage, and also
driving collaborative partnerships right across the continent.
Even as we focus on recovery from the pandemic, we continue to
work with the Department of Health and other departments
towards strengthening our health systems in preparation for
the National Health Insurance. As a nation, we are making
progress in moving this transformative legislation to reduce
inequality in access to quality health care.
As we move forward, we strive to build a capable, ethical and
developmental state. In this regard, there is no room for
engendering corruption. We will continue to support the work
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of the Investigating Directorate for the National Prosecuting
Authority. We already see great progress in the work that they
are doing. The Special Investigating Unit and its Special
Tribunal, the Fusion Centre and all state entities involved in
the fight against corruption is gaining traction. The Special
Investigating Unit, SIU, is achieving a great success in its
applications to the SIU Tribunal for the cancellation of
contracts and the return of funds. We will be ensuring that
the recommendations contained in all SIU reports are
specifically and systematically processed and sent to the
respective entities to which findings have been made and
urging that they are acted upon, and that stolen funds from
the state and taxpayers are recovered. The Minister in the
Presidency has been reporting on this work to this House on a
continuous basis. We will further speedily consider all
requests for issuing of proclamations, and appointments to the
Tribunal where necessary.
As we have said before, the Presidency will deliver to
Parliament an implementation plan on the recommendations of
the Commission of Inquiry into allegations of State Capture
four months after receipt of the final report. already work
has begun on the large number of recommendations that were
made in the parts of the report that we have already received
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to date. We will only have the full measure of the work
required when we receive the final report from the Chief
Justice. Taking these recommendations forward requires the
highest political will and commitment from all of us, the
members of this House included. It also requires great
courage, from all of us. In recent days we have seen those who
stand to lose the most from the fight against corruption
resorting to dirty tricks and intimidation in a bid to get us
to back down. Now, the serious threat levelled at the
director-general in the Presidency is deplorable and is
indicative of the tricks that they want to use to discourage
us from proceeding with the work that has to be done, and we
condemn this. [Applause.]
It is a sign of the lengths to which these who have been
responsible for state capture are prepared to go, to even
threaten a woman in the way that she has been threatened.
However, we will not be deterred by threats of any kind
whatsoever. She remains courageous and resolute to continue
doing her work. Therefore, we wish her well as she carried on
with her work [Applause.] They will have to pay for their
actions. We will restore the values, yes, of integrity and
credibility to our government. We will take back our country
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from criminals. At the same time, we are giving equal
attention to safety and security in our communities as well.
I want to commend the leader of the United Democratic
Movement, General Bantu Holomisa, for initiating the recent
meeting between the Presidency and political parties
represented in Parliament to discuss safety and security
issues in the country. Hon Steenhuisen who was traveling
somewhere in Africa and Somaliland was also able to join this
meeting virtually. It was a proactive engagement in which we
were able to discuss the challenges and possible solutions
with leaders or political parties that are represented here.
Therefore, I would like to thank them for the various
suggestions that they put on the table for us to act on. It is
our expectation that, as Parliament, you will continue in this
collaborative vein when we soon reflect on the draft National
Security Strategy that is being drafted at the moment. I have
committed that I’ll continue to meet the leaders of political
parties on a regular basis to discuss issues of security and,
indeed, a number of other issues that are of common concern to
all of us.
Progress has been made in building capacity within the law
enforcement agencies. The appointment of a new Commissioner of
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Police has brought much-needed stability in the organisation.
The first cohort of 12 000 new police personnel is in training
at the moment, and a framework has also been developed by the
SA Police Service, SAPS, for the nationwide re-establishment
of community policing forums and also the establishment of
specialist units that will deal with various areas of greater
criminal activity. The SAPS has established disciplinary units
to address these crimes of economic sabotage and extortion at
construction sites by so-called business forums as well.
Partnerships between the government and the private sector to
address organised crime are beginning to bear fruit. For
example, the collaboration between Transnet and the Minerals
Council around illegal mining and copper theft has seen an
improvement in the security situation at a number of sites. A
stronger, better capacitated South African Police Service is
key to combating crimes of violence against women and children
that continue to be a real scourge in our country.
In January this year, I signed into law three Bills as we know
that will strengthen the fight against gender-based violence
and afford greater protection for the survivors. Their
implementation is scheduled for 31 July 2022, once the amended
regulations are tabled in Parliament. The Presidency continues
to receive regular reports from the Department of Women, Youth
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and Persons with Disabilities as well as other departments on
their progress that is being made in implementing the National
Strategic Plan to end gender-based violence and femicide.
Putting stringent laws in place and enhancing the capacity of
the police and prosecutorial services to investigate and
prosecute these crimes is not enough, and we need all of
society’s involvement in preventing gender-based violence. If
we all, as communities, act together we will be able to
overcome gender-based violence. Community-based organisations
are agents of change and play an important role in the efforts
to eradicate gender-based violence, GBV, and other social ills
as well. This includes the development and implementation of
programmes around gender-based violence and femicide,
substance abuse, teenage pregnancies, mental health, and also
the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, and intersex,
LGBTQI+, advocacy and other issues.
We will soon be convening a Social Sector Summit, together
with the Department of Social Development and National
Economic Development and Labour Council, Nedlac, to look at a
number of ways of harnessing the important work of the social
sector to propel our nation’s development. Through the
Presidential Working Group on Disability, we will also
continue to advance interventions that are needed to promote
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the inclusion of persons living with disabilities across all
sectors. The approval by Cabinet of the Constitutional
Eighteenth Amendment Bill for public comment takes us one step
further to making sign language South Africa’s 12th official
language. [Applause.] This is a historic development that will
give effects to our Constitution’s promise of equality and
human dignity for all South Africans.
Hon members, next month marks a year since the terrible unrest
and violence rocked parts of our country and wiped out
approximately R50 billion off our nation’s economy. As the
Presidency we are working with the respective departments to
co-ordinate the implementation of recommendations of the
Expert Panel chaired by Professor Sandy Africa. A new director
general was appointed to State Security Agency earlier this
year, and a number of critical vacancies have been filled, and
are in the process of being filled, in the State Security
Agency, SSA, Crime Intelligence and also the SAPS. 4 000
members have been earmarked to build capacity in the Public
Order Policing Unit once they have undergone basic training,
and for the financial year 2022-23, a further 5 000 trainees
will also be recruited so that we can bolster up our public
policing component. The National Security Council is receiving
periodic reports from the relevant law enforcement agencies on
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progress with regard to implementation of the recommendations
that were made by the Expert Panel. We will be reporting to
the nation in due course on this process as we move on so as
to infuse confidence amongst our people that security is being
upgraded and so that South Africans can feel safe as well.
As part of realising a capable state, we are on a drive to
rebuild public service through promoting lifelong learning,
through the improvement of the skills in the public service,
and providing the necessary orientation to entrants to public
service. This is happening across government departments, in
every municipality, in every state-owned enterprise and every
organ of state as well. We are doing this so that we can
improve the capacity of the state. We are working to ensure
that the Batho Pele Revitalisation Strategy is fully
implemented. We have established a Public Administration
Ethics, Integrity, and Disciplinary Technical Assistance Unit
to improve ethical and anticorruption policy and discipline
management within the public service. Public servants are
being trained on ethical conduct through the National School
of Government in partnership with the Financial Sector Conduct
Authority. The National School of Government is rolling out a
range of courses for the executive, accounting officers,
senior managers, mayors, state entity board members and a
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number of other disciplines as well from economic governance
to long range or long-term planning as well. In the state of
the nation address, I said we would finalise the National
Framework towards the implementation of professionalisation of
the public sector.
The revised framework proposes fundamental reforms and
changes, including a stronger emphasis on merit-based
recruitment and appointments, integrity testing before any
individual joins the public sector, revising the tenure of
heads of departments, and curriculum development for ongoing
learning of public servants. This is a fundamental change to
the approach that we have to professionalise in the public
service. We expect this framework to be fully implemented
across departments and state entities within the next year. An
intrinsic part of government working for the people is making
local government more responsive and more efficient. We began
implementing the District Development Model in 2019, to better
co-ordinate and integrate the planning and budgeting of
government programmes on a district-based level. We co-
ordinated much of our response to the pandemic through the
District Development Model, ensuring that crucial health and
social services reach the people in our communities,
particularly where they live.
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Most recently, we relied on the district champions that I
appointed to drive vaccinations through the Vooma Vaccination
weekends. I announced during the 2022, state of the nation
address that I would embark on a programme of District
Development Model Imbizos. These engagements afford
communities the opportunity to raise their most pressing
concerns and provides an opportunity for government to give
direct updates on service delivery and to hear the complaints
and the cries of our people at first hand. To date, the
Presidential Imbizos have been held in North West, Free State
and Mpumalanga and we intend to visit all the provinces in due
course. Whilst we proceed with the Imbizo programme in the
remaining six provinces, government officials will be
attending to the concerns that have been made by our people
which have been properly documented. Therefore, we will be
resolving the issues that our people have raised and providing
feedback to communities as well. These engagements have
further highlighted the extent of the weaknesses of local
government, and the impact that this has on the provision of
basic services.
As national government, guided by our constitutional
responsibilities and powers, we will continue to support
municipalities to meet their obligations to the residents of
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the various towns and local areas so that we are able to
enable them to provide services and to help an engender the
process of growing the economies at local level. In
particular, we will marshal all the resources and capabilities
of government departments and entities to intervene in areas
such as water provision, road maintenance and waste
management. We will work with provincial and local government
to ensure that challenges that our people are facing such as
potholes are fixed, water is clean and reliable, and that
cities and towns are clean and healthy to live in. we have
found that many local municipalities do need the support and
the assistance from national level and we will be working to
provide precisely this.
Hon members and fellow South Africans, when this
administration took office three years ago, we embarked on a
path of renewal to restore the promise of our democracy.
Therefore, we have come a long way in trying to do precisely
that. The economic recovery is beginning to gather momentum,
and the gross domestic product, GDP, growth figures are
beginning to speak for themselves and, of course, we want them
to be much higher than what has been reported so far. As does
the steady uptake of domestic and foreign investment take
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place we should begin to see a growth that we all yearn for in
our economy to take place.
The state is being steadily rebuilt and credibility is also
being restored in the state. The fight against corruption
continues apace, and the net is closing on those who for years
fat off from the money and resources meant for the benefit of
the South African people. It is they who fear the renewal
agenda most. Therefore, they will do anything to divert the
focus from themselves. However, we will not waiver, we will
not blink [Applause.] and we will finish what has been
started. And as we do so, we will not be able to allow being
side-tracked from the one objective, to improve the lives of
the people of South Africa.
The positive impact of programmes and policies of this
administration is being felt where it matters most. It is
being felt in our classrooms, where education assistants are
supporting teachers to perform their work, and these
assistants are young, they are techno savvy, they are
committed to the work that they have been given and they know
their information technology, IT, processes, they are
assisting young people to read and the literacy, coding and
childcare processes are proceeding apace. It is also being
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felt in the agricultural sector where thousands of small-scale
farmers are looking forward to a good harvest this year,
thanks to the support of the Presidential Employment Stimulus,
which has enabled them to revive land for food production and
to farm their livestock. The positive impact is also being
felt and will continue being felt in our cities, towns, and
villages where participants in the Presidential Employment
Stimulus are greening public spaces, collecting and recycling
waste, clearing alien invasive vegetation, and conducting
environmental education programmes. It is also being felt in
the tourism sector where monitors, many of them young people,
are helping to keep our foreign and domestic tourists safe at
key sites, and small, medium, and micro enterprises, SMMEs, in
the provinces are receiving support to promote local tourist
attractions.
We are a government that is hard at work to grow our economy
and to create jobs. Therefore, our hard work is beginning to
bear fruit. The Presidency will continue to lead the work
towards the vision of a better life for all, as well as an
economic reconstruction and recovery that leaves no-one
behind. We are working and, of course, we want to do much more
than what is being done, and we will continue to do so. It is,
therefore, a pleasure, hon Speaker and hon members, to hereby
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commend this Budget Vote of the Presidency to the National
Assembly for debate and discussion and proposals on how we can
improve our work. Thank you very much. [Applause.]
The SPEAKER: Order, hon numbers, in terms of Rule 80, I
instructed that the microphones on the virtual platform be
locked while the President address the House. This was done as
a result of disorderly nature of interjections on the
platform, disrupting the proceedings. As we now to debate the
speech, the microphones will be switched on and will be
unlocked on the virtual platform. However, hon members, if
there is continued disorder, they will be locked again. Thank
you very much and thank you Mr President.
Mr A H M PAPO: Hon Speaker, I wanted to remind the House that
there were two members on the virtual platform who you ordered
to be removed from the sitting. Those members are hon Malema
hon Shivambu. So, I am just reminding the House that if they
appear on the platform again, Table staff will have to remove
them.
The SPEAKER: Thank you, hon Papo, the Table staff is here and
they have heard you.
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IsiXhosa:
UMBHEXESHI OYINTLOKO WEQELA ELILAWULALYO: Somlomo, mandithathe
eli thuba ndibulele kuwe umonde othe wabanawo ngexesha
besijongene nentlombe yeemfene. Mongameli ohloniphekileyo,
Sekela Mongameli, amaLungu eNdlu yoWiso-mthetho yeSizwe,
mathanda-zwe asemakhaya, ndithatha eli thuba ndinibulisa.
Kuyafuneka ukuba abantu abachubekileyo bacele uxolo ngale
mbudede nidla ngokuyibona apha. Asinjalo sonke kwaye abantu
abangaqeqeshekanga bayabonakala.
Nks P SONTI: Kodwa inyaniso aniyifuni.
English:
The SPEAKER: Hon Primrose, I am warning you, you will not
repeat that.
IsiXhosa:
UMBHEXESHI OYINTLOKO WEQELA ELILAWULALYO: Enkosi Somlomo,
ndivumele Mongameli ndinyathele apho ubunyathele khona.
English:
Mama Winnie Madikizela-Mandela in her Prison Entries that were
captured in her book entitled, 491 Days: Prisoner Number
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1323/69 painted a picture of the dehumanising nature of the
apartheid system:
Solitary confinement was designed to kill you so slowly
that you were long dead before you died. By the time you
died, you were nobody. You had no soul anymore and a body
without a soul is a corpse anyway. When I was told that
most of my torturers were dead, I was also heartbroken. I
wanted them to see the dawn of freedom. I wanted them to
see how they lost their battle with all they did to us
and that we survived.
IsiXhosa:
Thina bantu bazana neentshutshiso kwakunye nengcinezelo, iziva
siziphethe ngokwethu. Imivambo izotyiwe emizimbeni yethu.
English:
Those of us who suffered humiliation, colonialism and white
minority domination carry scars deeply hidden within our
beings. That is why every act of racism that goes viral on
social media and in the news, even it is committed by one
white person evokes so much pain inside every black person.
IsiXhosa:
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Ewe, saxolela kodwa asikwazi ukulibala ingakumbi xa kubane
kusenzeka ezi zinto.
English:
But as Mama Winnie in her book said: racists have also felt a
lot of pain because in 1994 and on the five more occasions,
the overwhelming majority of our people voted for the ANC to
govern and lead this country. They even trusted the ANC to
build a new South Africa from the ashes of colonial and
apartheid rule. Indeed, the Constitution has affirmed the
principle established in the Freedom Charter of 1955 to
celebrate this month as well as the Youth Month.
This country belongs to all of us who live in it, black and
white. The ANC has consistently provided a vision for a
democratic, nonracial and nonsexist, united and a prosperous
country. That is why we cannot tolerate any form of
humiliation through racism or sexism. Hon Speaker, in this
project our nation is led by the President who is both the
head of the state and the head of the Executive. The full
implications of this Presidency Office were articulated
beautifully in the historical judgement of the Constitutional
Court by the Former Chief Justice. The judgement pronounced
that:
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Only upon the President that the constitutional
obligation to uphold, defend and respect the Constitution
as the supreme law has been expressed imposed. The
promotion of the national unity and reconciliation has
been placed squarely on his shoulders. He is a
constitutional being by design, a national pathfinder,
the consequential commander in chief of state affairs and
the personification of the nation’s constitutional
project.
In light of this Budget Vote 1, first and foremost, we affirm
and provide resources to capacitate the Presidency to fulfil
its constitutional mission of consolidating nation unity and
establishing a shared national purpose. In spite of all these
difficulties our nation faces, I can confidently say that the
President has consistently upheld and defended this
Constitution.
IsiXhosa:
Naxa kukho imicimbi enobuzaza kodwa uMongameli ulikhokele eli
lizwe, ulisa phambili. Le nto ndiyithetha ngelunda kuba
uMongameli uyawukhusela lo Mgaqo-siseko. UMongameli unoxanduva
olusemagxeni akhe lokudibanisa imihlambi eyalanayo ukuze
imbali yethu icace.
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English:
The President has performed his co-ordinated role guided by
the Constitution and the Intergovernmental Relations Framework
Act of 2005. The National, provincial and local governments on
the other hand promote and facilitate the intergovernmental
relations within the multiparty system of governance.
IsiXhosa:
Masizingce ngalo Mgaqo-siseko esinawo nomgama esesiwuhambile
wokumanya esi sizwe sakowethu.
English:
As South Africans we must treasure the progress we have made
to maintain relatively stable corporative democratic political
system that has minimised mobilisation along the racial and
tribal lines. We have observed the trauma suffered by millions
of people in many in our sister countries in the continent and
other parts of the world as a result of political party ethnic
polarisation.
IsiXhosa
Amazwe amaninzi awakafiki kulo mgama nalo mgangatho esele
sizibeke kuwo singuMzantsi Afrika. KuMgaqo-siseko, phaya
kwikhasi lesithathu, kuthethwa ngokuba kudityaniswe
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urhulumento oluzinzileyo. USekela Mongameli unikwe oloo
xanduva lokuba kudityaniswe oorhulumente bamaphondo
nabasemakhaya. Olo xanduva luya kwenza ukuba zikwazi
ukusengela thungeni linye.
English:
The Presidency must be resourced sufficiently to maintain
regular and meaningful dialogues with Amakhosi within the
framework of the Constitution. These dialogues are based on
four pillars: land ownership and tenure rights, economic
development and rural communities, social cohesion and nation
building and legislation on powers and functions of
traditional leaders in the issues of development.
IsiXhosa:
Kubalulekile ke ukuba xa sisenza loo nto iinkosi zihambe kunye
nathi kuba zona ziphethe abantu phaya ekuhlaleni. Makhe
ndinqumame kancinci kweli cala ndingene kwizityholo atyabekwa
zona uMongameli wesi sizwe soMzantsi Afrika. Mandiyibeke icace
gca oku kwekati emnyama ehlungwini into yokuba ...
Nks P SONTI: Okwekati emhlophe ehlungwini.
English:
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Order hon members,
order.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: As the ANC we have noted
the allegations that are labelled against the President and we
are not shy to say that. However, this matter, like all other
matters of allegations of crime must be investigated by the
relevant law enforcement authorities without any undue
political influence. At the moment ...
IsiXhosa:
... uthini? Soze uphinde utsho! [Kwahlekwa.]
English:
At the moment, there are no changes and we are happy that the
President is committed to support the work of the law
enforcement agencies ...
IsiXhosa:
... akabaleki, ungowalapha kwaya uhlala apha. Xa kuphandwa
makuphandwe. Umongameli akazange athi akafuni ukuphandwa. Uthi
ndim lo, xa unento ngam beka umcimbi etafileni undiphande.
Ayiqhelekanga ke lento kooMongameli bamazwe ngamazwe kodwa
abe-ANC bayazazi ukuba bamele isizwe. Thina siyi-ANC asisayi
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kwayanyaniswa nehlazo elisemntwini. I-ANC iza kuthetha
ngexesha elifanelekileyo xa kukho izinto ezifumanekileyo.
Nanjengoko sithetha apha sizimisa phambi kwenu ngelithi ukuba
kukho ubungqina kufuneka umthetho uthathe indawo yawo.
English:
This year we also celebrated 28 years of our democratic
government.
IsiXhosa:
Iinkonzo ezingundoqo zisiwe ebantwini Mongameli kodwa
azonelanga. Amanzi, iindlela nombane awukafiki kwiimpula
zikaLujaca. Ngenxa yokuhla koqoqosho, amaxabiso okuthenga
izinto aye anyuka. Noko sifuna uMongameli angenelele
neKhabhinethi yakhe. Sifuna kubonelelwe abantu ngokutya
okusiseko okufana nomgubo, amasi, umngqusho, isonka namafuthu
okuqhotsa ukuze abantu balale betyile. Sicela ukuba ungenelele
Mongameli ngokuthi kulawulwe amaxabiso okutya angaxhumi kuba
abantu bakuthi bahluphekile.
Mongameli, sicela ukuba ugxile kanabomi kwiinkonzo ezisiwa
ebantwini. Umbane mawuzinze, abantu bakuthi bathwaxwa
yintlupheko, uqoqoqsho alukwazi ukukhula xa umbane ungucimi-
cimi. Nathi sonele ngoku ngulo cimi-cimi wombane, sifuna
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umbane oza kukhanyisa oko. Sifuna niqwalasele aba masipala
babonelela abantu abasweleyo [indigent people.] babe kwabona
oomasipala bengenazo iintsiba. Siyafuna ukuba baxhaswe aboo
masipala kuba uninzi lwabantu babo luyahlupheka. Ithi ke loo
nto Mongameli, xa aba masipala beswele nabo [indigent
municipalities.] urhulumente makangenelele. Phaya emakhaya
into esetyenziswayo yirhasi neparafini. Ndiyithetha nje
kungokuba ndiyayazi kwaye ndiyintombi yasezilalini eMacacuma,
eSterkspruit.
Abantu Mongameli bathi njengokuba usipha aba basweleyo umbane,
thina bantu bangenambane siphe iparafini. Mayingene iparafini
kumzi nomzi ongekabinawo umbane khona ukuze nabo bazibone
bexhamla kulo Mzantsi Afrika omtsha.
English:
President you are leading the campaign that people must pay
the municipal services and we support that.
IsiXhosa:
Xa iinkonzo zisiziswa ebantwini ngokungenamikhinkqi, abantu
mabazihlawulele ngokunjalo nabo kodwa mazizinze ezo nkonzo.
Siyancoma naphaya kwi-arhente yezerhafu ngokuthi ikwazi
ukuqokelela imali eninzi. Sicela le arhente ingenelele
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ngokutyala imali ebantwini abahluphekileyo. Siyi-ANC
Mongameli, sima kule ndawo sixhasa into yokuba mawunikwe imali
eyaneleyo wenze umsebenzi obhalwe kuMgaqo-siseko wokukhokela
esi sizwe ngothando nangentobeko usise phambili.
Abantu beli lizwe noko kudala besinyamezele behamba nathi ...
English:
... with resilience in the fight against the Covid-19
pandemic. Our people are our greatest strength together with
the South Africa we can rise. We can rise ...
IsiXhosa:
... xa sisebenza kunye siyakwazi ukohlula phakathi kwezinto
ezichithayo nezinto ezakhaya zelizwe. Silapha siyi-ANC sinika
inkxaso yethu engagungqiyo kuwe Mongameli sisithi amatyala
mawaze ngaphambili. Enkosi kakhulu.
The LEADER OF THE OPPOSSITION: Madam Speaker, Mr President,
hon members, the purpose of today’s vote, is to vote on the
Budget of the Presidency, but as we have become only too aware
this past week, this is a ministry stuffed, literally, was
secrets and scandals. We are asked today to say yes or no to
this budget, but the reality is that none of us truly knows
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what happens in that office. And this makes today’s vote very,
very difficult.
We respected your President while he was speaking, hon Papo,
perhaps you should return the compliments. Why is it that the
Presidency is the only ministry without a standing committee?
We have asked this question many times before, and we are yet
to receive a satisfactory answer. Why should every other
ministry be subject to the parliamentary oversight of a
standing committee, but not the Presidency? And after this
weeks’ shocking revelations, it’s very clear that the
Presidency cannot police itself.
There are many questions we would have raised in such a
standing committee, or if the President was attending the
question session which should have taken place this term. But,
this budget is it and this is our only opportunity to take
advantage of it. And one of those questions would be around
the elephant in the room and that is around the blurring of
the lines between Mr Ramaphosa the Head of State, and Mr
Ramaphosa the businessman.
While police budgets are slashed every year and policing
resources in high crime areas are stretched thinner and
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thinner, the very important person, VIP, protection budget of
the President and his cabinet is the only police budget that
ever goes up.
And now we are told that these precious police resources have
been put to work serving the private business interests of the
President – conducting cross-border investigations,
interrogations and cover-ups.
And I’m sure you’ll agree, Mr President, yes you may say Mr
Fraser, but it was your Presidency who ... [Inaudible.] ... an
affidavit in court plus here telling the court, what a good
man Mr Fraser was and why Mr Fraser should be appointed as a
head of Correctional Services [Applause.] I am sure you will
agree with me Mr President, that the people of South Africa
need to know and have the right to know whether the VIP
protection unit is being used as a private debt collection
agency. Just as they have a right to know what is going on
behind the closed doors of your Phala Phala farm house.
Now, Mr President you’ve definitely avoided this topic today.
But, I want you to imagine for a moment what this must look
like for an ordinary South African. What a hard-working, tax-
paying citizen should make of a remote farmhouse somewhere,
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with tens of millions of Rands in foreign currency being
stuffed into the upholstery of lounge furniture.
What such a regular citizen should think, when told that more
than R60 millions of this was stolen, and that the President
didn’t want anybody to know about it. The suspects were
tracked, rounded up, interrogated and paid to keep their
mouths shut.
Normal people – law-abiding South Africans who have to save
for months, for things like school uniforms, for school fees
and children’s birthday parties – and that cannot even imagine
that kind of money. But you didn’t even report it to the
police.
Never mind getting it back, Mr President, you didn’t want
anyone to know it was gone in the first place. Just how much
money must you have stashed away, in homes if you can afford
to turn a blind eye to $4 million? Now you say that money was
from animals, that might the case, but I don’t think there’s
many people who truly believe that.
You say this was about dirty tricks. You say it was above
board and that you’ve broken no laws. But stuffing millions of
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Rands into couches, hiding the robbery from the police, paying
the robbers hundreds of thousands of Rands, not say a word –
these are not the actions of somebody who has broken no laws.
These are the things we see in mafia movies, about cartels,
about syndicates and gangsters. If this was all above board,
and just dirty tricks, you could have ended it right away, Mr
President. But, a full, frank and public disclosure. You could
have avoided a scene we have in the House today. You could
have avoided the speculation and you could have avoided us
asking these questions.
None of that would have jeopardised any investigations. An
honest and innocent man, he was the victim of a massive crime
would have wasted no time in clearing these things up
[Applause.] Only somebody who would like to hide, would hide
behind the smokescreen of a “pending investigation”, two years
after the event.
So, again Mr President, I am asking you for the sake of the
country, for the sake of the Presidency to come clean to the
people of South Africa, and to this House. No more subterfuge,
no more secrets. Whoever is advising you Mr President, not to
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speak out about this and set the record straight, is giving
you bad advice.
How much money was stashed away? These are the question we
need to ask. How much was actually stolen? How did the money
enter South Africa, and who brought it into the country? Two
years later, hon Papo that’s a new record I think. Were the
exchange controls of the South African Reserve Bank observed?
How much is on the farm right now? How much is at your
properties? Why did you not report the crime to South African
Police Service, SAPS? You have spoken today about the
importance of reporting crime. As important as SAPS are, why
was it not to the SAPS?
Were the suspects detained? Was Major-General Wally Rhoode
sent to Namibia, yes but tax payers money is being used to
recover it. And that is the problem. Was Major-General Rhoode
sent to Namibia to go and recover it? On whose authority did
he travel in? Who paid for this cross-border investigation,
and how much did it cost? Who paid for the security upgrades?
We may not be the police but we are Parliament and that’s our
job to hold the executive accountable [Applause.]
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And finally - and arguably most importantly, Mr
President - given your unique obligation as the President to
uphold the Constitution and serve the people of the Republic
of the country, how do you square this obligation with this
sordid detail of the case?
I was doing the job that your government should have done in
Ukraine, hon Papo, but you too Papo are scared to go there,
that’s the problem [Applause.]
Mr President, every single day that these questions remain
unanswered causes irreparable damage to the Presidency, which
has now gone from paralysed to petrified.
Even the very best-case scenario – with the most generous
interpretation of what has happened, how you came into
possession of the money, why it was concealed in your house,
and the reasons for a cover-up or damning.
But we’re not talking about a best-case scenario here, are we,
Mr President? Because if we were, you would’ve surely reported
this matter, two years ago. Or at the very least, come
absolutely clean about the matter as soon as it came to light.
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The fact that you have used your significant powers and
resources – paid for by the taxpayers of this country and
funded through this budget, which we debate in this House
today – to conceal any evidence of this money tells me that
the real story is something that the Presidency probably will
struggle to survive.
Even your biggest praise-singers, media and civil society are
now realising that perhaps the emperor was naked, after all.
[Applause.]
But to understand, the real sense of anger and disappointment,
Mr President, that South Africans are feeling, you have to
remember that we’ve been here before. And today, ...
[Inaudible.] ... in our House is like back to the future.
Do you recall the shame of Nkandla and the arrogance of your
predecessor? Do you remember the embarrassment of the fire
pool video, and all the shameless defending being done from
the ANC benches?
Do you remember the scathing rebuke our Parliament received,
for failing for holding President at the time, President Zuma
accountable for Nkandla, and the solemn promises that were
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made thereafter by many people in this House today? “Never
again”? Do you remember the words of then Chief Justice
Mogoeng Mogoeng in the 2016 judgment when he spoke of the
unique obligations, Mr President as the citizen?
Now I am very glad hon Majodina, quoted from that same
judgement, but she left out the most important part, which is
at the end and let me remind you and I quote:
He is required to promise solemnly and sincerely to
always connect with the true dictates of his conscience
in the execution of his duties. This he is required to do
with all his strength, all his talents and to the best of
his abilities, and, but for the Deputy President, only
his affirmation or oath of office requires a gathering of
people, presumably that they may hear and bear witness to
his irrevocable commitment to serve them well and with
integrity.
You see you have to be beyond reproach, you have to be open,
you gonna be transparent and you got to serve people well and
with integrity.
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But now, there is only suspicion, secrecy and silence. How
exactly are you different Mr President from your predecessor?
Phala Phala is fast becoming your Nkandla. And it’s forever
gonna be an ugly stain on this Presidency.
But here’s the thing: The Presidency is not yours, it belongs
to the Republic of South Africa. And, when you drag the
Presidency down in the gutter, you are dragging our country
down with it [Applause.] South Africans don’t want this; South
Africans don’t deserve this. They don’t want a two-bit mob
boss...[Interjection.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Steenhuisen, will
you please take your sit. There is a point of order, hon
Dyantyi.
Mr Q R DYANTYI: House Chairperson, point of order: I just want
to check hon presiding officer, the hon Leader of the
Opposition can take a question? If this is the only thing in
his speech?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Dyantyi, okay, hon
Steenhuisen are you ready to take a question?
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The LEADER OF THE OPPOSSITION: I hear the good news that
Bunnies are open again, perhaps we could meet afterwards for a
question. Our people don’t want a two-bit mob boss with houses
stuffed full of dirty cash for our leaders and president. They
want someone who leads by example – who puts his personal
ambitions, business and interests a distant second to the
needs of the country.
And so maybe this whole sordid mess is actually doing South
Africa a favour by opening its eyes up to the reality of the
ANC. If you were indeed the best that your party had to offer,
Mr President, in this government, days in office are numbered
[Applause.]
Our country’s number one goal has got to be to reduce the once
mighty, dominant ANC to being a minority party after the next
elections [Applause.] That’s my party, because things aren’t
gonna change while same people are sitting around the table
making the same bad decisions and behaviour, ... [Inaudible.]
Once South Africa has put the ANC behind it for good, then we
can start making progress and moving forward as a nation, I
look forward to that day. Thank you. [Applause.]
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Ms N V MENTE: Yes, Speaker, I need to address a few things
before I get to the debate. Firstly, the Speaker of Parliament
has removed hon Malema wrongfully and illegally. Perhaps is
the selectiveness of Parliament when it was briefing him upon
taking the seat of being the Speaker of Parliament pertaining
to judgements against the same Parliament that the statement
of Mr Ramaphosa and his state have murdered Marikana workers
has been judged by the courts and it is a statement that is
allowed. So, let there not be a selectiveness.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Mente?
[Interjections.] Hon Mente, please, I don’t want them to mute
you because you still have your minute. [Interjections.]
Ms N V MENTE: Can you mute all the mics as you have done
before. Just mute all the mics that are not speaking. I am the
one who is speaking now.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): No, this is why I am
surprise truly speaking. Hon members, if you touch that mic
and start speaking without recognition I am going to call out
your name and when I do that it’s a warning. You repeat again,
I am going to instruct that you are removed from the platform.
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Now hon Mente, I was calling your name because there is a
point of order here, which I want to address. Can I just find
out on what Rule are you standing?
Mr T V MASHELE: Chair, I am standing on Rule 92. I am raising
a point of order because the hon member is contesting the
decision of the Speaker and she knows that if she wants to
contest the decision of the Speaker she cannot bring it now
here. She must take it into the relevant platform. Thank you
very much.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): No, it’s ...
Ms N V MENTE: Madam Speaker, they are wasting my time.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon members, we are
here on an item that was clearly stated by the Table Staff on
which order we are here. May I plead with anyone that we are
here to debate the Vote of the Presidency and if you wish to
talk about the issues that you are not happy about in terms of
the rulings you know very well what should happen. And I
request everybody who comes to this podium to remember that
this Parliament has got options for anyone who is not
satisfied with a particular ruling to do so by writing to the
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Rules Committee to look after that because I won’t be saying
anything on the rulings that another officer that was
presiding has ruled upon. And I am sorry that I won’t be able
to help or rule on what you have already started hon Mente if
we understand each other. Please, let’s proceed. You still
have your time.
Ms N V MENTE: Chairperson?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Yes.
Ms N V MENTE: I am not going to be intimidated and neither
being shut out by Members of Parliament who did not averse
themselves with the Rules of Parliament and the judgements
thereof that are before this Parliament. This Parliament has
received judgements and we cannot use this platform and then
say retrospectively we are going to deal with matters at a
later stage.
This platform is a platform of Members of Parliament to air
their views. We cannot therefore be removed from this same
platform by using judgements by our courts to say this
Parliament cannot tell us that a statement that Ramaphosa and
the state have killed people in Marikana. That’s a fact. It
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was ruled by the Cape Town High Court. And that is not wrong
to be said here in the same Parliament. We took it to court
because this same Parliament chart people out. We were thrown
out by this same Parliament by Speaker Baleka by saying that
and therefore we are not going to be told by members of the
ANC how to say what we want to say and how to debate in this
House.
And then the second thing is, you are not going to lose
whatever judgement to take us out of this Parliament because
today’s matter or item on the Order Paper is the debate of Mr
Ramaphosa. We can use whatever else we want to use. We don’t
have monies under our own mattresses. And therefore we don’t
have money to tour around and be talking to every lawyer out
there to defend us. But we will come here and call the matters
as they are.
The second thing is, you can sit here with your Parliament.
You can sit here ...
IsiXhosa:
... nizixokise ngobunyoronyoro nobuqhophololo bobusela
bukaRamaphosa. Ukuhlala nemali engeyiyo yaseMzantsi Afrika
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bubusela. Ukuhlala nemali ebiweyo aphinde angakwazi ukuya
emapoliseni xa ibiwe. Sisigebenga ...
English:
We are not going to sit here and ... [Inaudible.] ...
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon member, I am
talking. [Interjections.] Hon Mente, please there is a point
of order. [Interjections.] Order, hon members. Please, order.
Hon Mente, before I allow the point of order in the House be
raised I just want to say that there is nowhere where we have
a Court Order that says President Ramaphosa killed the people
in Marikana.
Ms N V MENTE: We have got it, you must go and read it.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): I want it. Please bring
it as a substantive evidence.
Ms N V MENTE: Now when it suits you ... [Inaudible.] ...
Ramaphosa is the President of South Africa ... [Inaudible.]
... [Interjections.] ...
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The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: ... [Inaudible ...
fool to the South Africans. You can’t. You can’t.
Ms N V MENTE You, Reginah. [Interjections.] He sends an email
that say people must take a conceited action against the
workers. Is Ramaphosa who do that. So, therefore we are not
going to sit here with money launder.
IsiXhosa:
Ngobuqhophololo bobunyoronyoro bobusela ningade nicinge ukuba
siza kuza kuloo nto yenu.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Please mute, hon Mente.
[Interjections.] Please mute, hon Makhubela. Please mute, hon
Maotwe. [Interjections.]
Ms N V MENTE. Why do you mute my mic?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): I am going to add to my
list. [Interjections.] Hon member? [Interjections.]
Ms N V MENTE: Is my time. Why do you want to mute my mic?
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): No,no,no. Hon Mente,
you should be muted. I was calling for a long time and you
kept on insulting and I am now saying that you should be
removed.
Ms N V MENTE: Insulting who? [Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Mute, hon Maotwe
please. And mute hon Mente.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: House Chair, my hand is up.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Please, mute them. Hon
members, let me hear what you are rising on, hon Mkhaliphi?
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Yes, House Chair, one, you are so bias.
There is ...
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): No, no, no.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: No, I am rising on a point of order.
[Interjections] Hear me out.
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Which rule ae you
rising on?
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Rule 92, Chair. You think that we don’t know
the rules?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Okay, I am going to
explain.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Explain what? I am raising a point of order
here. You have not even heard my point of order.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Yes, I want to explain
Rule 92.
Mr V PAMBO: Listen, listen, Chair
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): That’s why ...
[Interjections.] Please, mute hon Pambo. I want to explain
that Rule 92 because I understand it very well.
Mr V PAMBO: Just listen. Just listen to her.
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Please, remove, hon
Pambo. I am not that listener. I work according to the rule.
Mr V PAMBO: Listen! Listen! [Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Pambo on the
platform. Please, remove him. [Interjections]
Mr S TAMBO: On a point of order, Chair.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Primrose, you have
been warned. You are removed.
Mr S TAMBO: On appoint of order, Chair.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): I am going to read the
names and I am going to read the rules.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: I am in the platform, recognise me.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Mkhaliphi there was
nothing wrong. I was still going to explain to you why I am
asking why you are rising. I recognised you and I ask you on
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what rule, you say 92. Now because I realised that you are
abusing rule 92, I want to clarify it to you.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: How can I abuse Rule 92 while I want to
speak for the first time.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): No, no, no, listen to
me. You see now. [Interjections.]
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: How I am abusing Rule 92 while I am speaking
for the first time.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): I am explaining why I
am saying that. It’s not only you. I am doing it for all
members of this House. I am doing it for everyone in this
House.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: But then which rule is that that you must
take us out altogether?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Because I am a
presiding officer I must guide you.
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Ms H O MKHALIPHI: There is no rule that says you must do that.
Deal with us per member. That is what the rule is saying.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto) Hon member, let me say
this, Rule 92 allows every member to stand up. But rule 92 has
got sub sections. That’s what I want because I realised that
everyone can stand up and say a point of order but not talk to
the sub-section as prescribed by the rules. That’s what I want
to say to you, hon Mkhaliphi.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: I am rising on rule 92(1). Let me read it
for you.
Mr T M LANGA: Why you didn’t say that when it was ANC on the
platform?
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Chairperson, I am rising on Rule 92 (1)
which reads as follows: A member may raise a point of order at
any time during the proceedings of the House in terms of the
procedure prescribe in the rule 66 by stating that he or she
is rising on a point of order. It’s simple as that. Maybe you
forget your Rule Book, Chair.
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Please, read number 2
also.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: No, no, but you can’t tell me which rule
must I quote. I am quoting Rule 92
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Okay, I will read
number 2 to you because I think you want to be lectured and
this is not the time.
Mr S TAMBO: But this is out of order, Chair. I mean, you are
managing our members.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: You are out of order because I am telling
you which rule I am raising on is 92(1).
Mr S TAMBO: Point of order to you, Chair. You are directing
us.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Why do you want to put words on my mouth on
which subsection must I rise on. You are bias. That’s why I am
saying to you, Chair, the reason why I am rising is ... NO,
no, no.
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon member you are now
going to be muted.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Hon Chairperson, I am saying that while the
national chairperson was speaking here, there were two members
who kept on interrupting her, which is member Ponani Makhubela
and the Deputy Minister of Basic Education but you have never
ruled. You never say to them they must leave the platform.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Thank you very much.
You were not listening
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Please, don’t be bias. We are equal members.
We are not your step children in this Parliament. Stop
treating us as your step children here.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Thank you.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: We have the right to be here voted by poor
people on the ground.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon member, that’s not
a point of order now.
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Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Don’t think we will say what you like.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon member?
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: We are not co-opted by the ANC here, Chair.
Allow our national chair because its our slot.
Ms M O C MAOTWE: Can you allow our hon member to finish:
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon members, let me
respond to the order. Hon Maotwe, I am now going to ask that
they mute you. I have already done that. Hon Mkhaliphi, you
are talking about hon Makhubela. And hon Makhulela, we have
asked ICT to mute her. Now anyone whose name I have called I
am no longer muting you. We are removing you. And I raised all
the names. Unfortunately, the one that you just talk about ...
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Reginah Mhaule.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Yes, Reginah Mhaule, I
did not hear. All the people that spoke I asked that they be
muted. Please, don’t say I am biased.
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Ms H O MKHALIPHI: If you didn’t hear her, Chair, check with
the Table Staff.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Please, don’t speak.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: No, I am speaking on my point.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): You are finished hon
member and I have ruled on that. Thank you. [Interjections.]
Mr S TAMBO: Point of order, Chair.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Who is that? Hon Pambo
is supposed to be muted.
Mr S TAMBO: No, this is hon Tambo.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Pambo I am not
allowing you. You are supposed to be muted.
Mr S TAMBO. But Pambo, you kicked him already.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Tambo, you are
supposed to be muted
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Mr S TAMBO: No, no, no. There is hon Pambo.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Tambo I am not
allowing you. You supposed to be muted.
Mr S TAMBO: Pambo not Tambo. This are two different members.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): I might have said it
wrong. I agree. But you are muted now.
Mr S TAMBO: There is Pambo and there is Tambo.
What did he do to be muted?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon members, we proceed
and I am going to ask ICT to mute everybody now on the virtual
platform.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: I am on the platform.
Mr S TAMBO: You confuse with two members.
Ms H O MKHALIPI: I am still on the platform. You cannot kick
me out like that.
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): As we proceed ...
Mr S TAMBO: Point of order, Chair.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): I am not taking any
point of orders. I am going to ask that everyone be muted.
Thank you very much.
Ms M O C MAOTWE: Chair, can you please allow me.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Everyone must be muted.
I am not proceeding until everyone is muted on the virtual
platform. Hon members, I said they must mute everybody on the
platform. But the person who was given the opportunity to
speak which is hon Mente has actually said things that are
unparliametary. Hon Mente, said that the President is a
murderer and that the President is a thief. Now I am going to
allow you, ICT, to open and let hon Mente to withdraw. That’s
the only person who will speak. Hon Mente, will you please
withdraw?
Ms M O C MAOTWE: No, no, no.
Ms N V MENTE: Yes, I am back here.
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Ms H O MKHALIPHI: She is not going to be told by you. You
think hon Mente is your child.
IsiZulu:
Akuyona ingane yakho umhlonishwa u-Mente.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Mente?
Ms N V MENTE: I am here.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): May you please
withdraw?
Ms N V MENTE: I am not going to withdraw anything.
IsiXhosa:
Sihleli nenkunzi yesela. I-EFF iza kuhamba apha kuba asikwazi
ukuhlala apha sihlalele ukukrwempana imiqolo kunye namasela.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): ICT, remove hon Mente
from the platform. Hon Mkhaliphi, you also responded in
unparliamentary way. Are you going to withdraw?
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Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Withdraw what, Chair? To withdraw that hon
Mente is not your child?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): You disregard the ...
[Interjections.] Thank you very much. ICT remove, hon
Mkhaliphi.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: You are protecting your own stomach. We are
not going to tolerate that.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon member Mkhaliphi
must be removed. Remove her from the platform. We want to
proceed. Thank you. Okay. Hon member, what are you rising on?
Mr B A RADEBE: Thank you, hon Chairperson. I am rising on Rule
69 ...
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Yes.
Mr B A RADEBE: ... gross disorderly conduct ...
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Yes.
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Mr B A RADEBE: ... (c) and (d). We have heard the persistent
undermining of the authority of the Chair. I think that that
Rule does not allow that. Secondly, a lot of insults have been
held since 2 o’clock this afternoon. When you look at this it
says that persisting making serious allegations against a
member without adequate substantiations. And then we heard
that for the entire afternoon. Can you please that when anyone
brought that matter it must be dealt with. Thank you, Chair.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Thank you very much.
That’s why I don’t want to take it as a general thing. That’s
why I am calling member by member. And all the members that I
have asked to withdraw and that have been doing that
particular thing of flouting this Rule must be removed from
the platform. Thank you very much.
The DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Hon Chairperson, your Excellency,
President of the Republic of South Africa, Cyril Ramaphosa,
hon Ministers, Deputy Ministers, hon members of the National
Assembly.
This budget vote takes place at a time of many intersecting
challenges facing our country and facing the world, from
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health pandemics, sluggish economic growth and the rising cost
of necessities.
The fractures and discords in our social fabric call for new
compacts of peace, compassion, inclusivity and social
solidarity so that we face one direction as we tackle all the
challenges that are facing our nation. Together we have the
strength to chart a better future for this nation.
Domestic socioeconomic exclusion largely caused by the rising
unemployment, poverty and inequality has the potential to
undermine social cohesion and inclusive growth. Together we
must address the contradictions of extreme poverty and wealth
and strive to reduce, if not eliminate, social inequalities.
Once these inequalities are deep, they can result in severe
disunity and social instability. We dare not risk destroying
the foundations of our democracy by allowing extreme wealth
disparities, poverty and unemployment to continue unabated.
As we face all of these challenges, it is our responsibility
as elected officials to work together to address them. South
Africans are disinterested in our political disputes, in our
political divisions and slogans.
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We are at a crossroads of difficult socioeconomic challenges
that can only be resolved through our collective commitment,
shared national interest and purposeful cohesion. Now is the
time for leadership to rise above petty political differences
and schisms in order to pave the way for national progress and
inclusive development.
Ordinary South Africans want and deserve a government whose
chief interest is the development and prosperity of its own
people. Society craves for a government service that
comprehends its developmental responsibility.
The nation has lost patience with government officials that
out of touch with their plight and expectations of the quality
of service that they deserve.
As part of our moral regeneration agenda, we, as government,
must lead the charge against corruption and inefficiency in
our society, whether it be in the public sector or in
business. We cannot grow the capabilities of our people and
generate decent jobs without a cadre of disciplined,
committed, professional and ethical public officials who
really are driven by the moral imperative of transformation.
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Equally, it would be impossible to build an economy that would
be conducive for job creation without the provision of
dependable electricity supply and generation capacity as
important factors to achieving our developmental goals.
That is why all of us in the Presidency are fully behind the
efforts of reviving the economy by, among other things,
improving the ease of doing business and supporting the
investment drive by the President.
As government we are well aware of the detrimental effect of
loadshedding has on the economy as well as the inconveniences
and hardship it causes for the country, the citizens and
businesses. Under the stewardship of the Eskom Political Task
Team, we have begun implementing solutions to ensure energy
security and long-term viability of Eskom, as announced by the
president.
Government will also continue to support Eskom’s
implementation of a credible and transparent national
maintenance programme, which will ensure that power generation
plants operate at optimal levels to reduce the negative impact
of electricity supply interruptions.
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Alternative energy generation measures are also being explored
and implemented within the framework of the 2019 integrated
resource plan and augment electricity supply and improve great
stability, as alluded by the President. The primary objective
is to enhance the nation’s capacity to provide uninterrupted
electricity for economic growth and development.
Linked to the provision of energy supply is the creation of a
predictable environment for investment by ensuring that land
reform is accelerated to unlock economic development
prospects. This will be accomplished through the
redistribution of land for agricultural productions to ensure
food security for the country, for human settlements provision
and industrial development. These efforts are also about
resolving historic challenges to achieve spatial justice
towards the realisation of this right for all our people.
The implementation of our land reform programme continues
along a constitutionally-defined path, hence the unfolding
parliamentary processes of addressing land inequality,
displacement, and dispossession. As government we will
continue to respond to the imperatives of restorative justice,
economic inclusion and social cohesion.
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We can report that considerable progress is being made in the
implementation of the recommendations that were made by the
Advisory Panel on Land Reform and Agriculture to address land
injustices. We have since enacted a number of policy
interventions including but not only limited to: Land
Allocation and Beneficiary Selection Policy, Comprehensive
Producer Support Policy; Land Donations Policy, Upgrading of
Land Tenure Rights Amendment Bill and the Expropriation Bill.
We have travelled the length and breadth of our nation to
promote the programme of accelerating restitution and
redistribution; and this year will see the introduction of
numerous similar initiatives. Government will release land
parcels in the hands of state-owned companies and
municipalities for integrated human settlements and
socioeconomic development. This work also entails
incorporation rural areas into the global value chains,
thereby ensuring that our people contribute to driving
economic growth that we seek to achieve.
A prosperous nation can only be realised through the full and
active participation of its people. That is why our successful
productive capacity requires a healthy population. In this
regard, the office of the Deputy President continues to
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spearhead national measures to enhance our country’s health
outcomes.
Working with the SA National Aids Council, SANAC, we continue
to strengthen efforts and campaigns to reduce the negative
effects and burden of the HIV and TB. To this end, efforts are
underway to finalise the drafting of the new National
Strategic Plan on HIV/AIDS, TB and Sexually Transmitted
Infections, STIs, which will further direct the nation’s
response to ending these epidemics as public health threats by
2030.
In the interim, catch-up plans have been refined to expedite
service delivery and achievement of national and global
targets of 90-90-90, where the 90% of all people living with
HIV will know their status, 90% of all these people that have
been diagnosed will be introduced to treatment and 90% of all
the people receiving treatment will have their viral load
suppressed. The strategy serves as a framework for our
national effort to mitigate the impact of HIV, TB and STIs.
Our national response to these epidemics requires that we
coordinate better, we collaborate better and faster.
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While it is indisputable that the emergence of the COVID-19
pandemic brought misery, brought frustrations and loss of
livelihood to many of our people, it has bestowed on us a
unique opportunity to do things better, to do things
differently with much less.
We seized the opportunity to leverage SANAC as a platform for
consensus building and strengthening of social compacts. This
is why we interact with and try to rally communities as active
partners in the national response to epidemics, non-
communicable diseases and social ills including gender-based
violence and femicide, GBVF.
Through this intervention services are brought directly to the
people, thereby improving the access to services and
empowering people to be active agents of change. Part of this
work includes engagements with various social partners such as
Traditional and Khoi-San Leaders, Inter-faith Leaders and
Traditional Health Practitioners to mobilise them to partner
with government in this fight. These social partners have
committed to sustainable strategic partnerships with
government by signing commitment pledges. This campaign, on
the Partnership Strategy which was successfully launched in
December 2020 is progressing very well.
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In the forthcoming year the SANAC Private Sector Forum will
primarily focus on setting up provincial structures to support
the work of provincial and district AIDS Councils.
Everyone has a vital role to play in combating HIV and TB
co-infections so that we have a productive population capable
of building an inclusive economy for the benefit of all,
especially the youth, women, people living with disabilities.
Our country remains a shining example of how a divided past
can inspire a people to forge a new collective identity. Even
in the context of a history marked by intense conflict and
fighting, our nation owes a sincere gratitude to tens and
thousands of military veterans who submitted themselves to
political leadership when we made the decision to resolve our
differences through negotiations. Similarly, the peace we
enjoy today it’s as a result of the maturity of our veterans,
who are the pillar of our nation. As former soldiers, they
placed themselves in the service of our country.
In the same spirit of trying to maximise their contribution of
the people to our democracy system, the Presidential Task Team
on Military Veterans has overseen the finalisation of the
pension policy for military veterans. To fully implement this
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policy, a process is currently underway to conclude the
beneficiary verification allowing for a quicker turnaround
time and aiding the department in managing records of military
veterans.
We have been interacting with various provincial governments
and observed that the lack of profiling of military veterans
hinders the implementation of programmes that are designed to
improve the living conditions of our military veterans. To
this end, we will work together with provincial governments to
expedite the profiling of ex-combatants in order to ensure the
improvement of their welfare in accordance with the law. We
appreciate the veterans’ willingness to collaborate with
government in addressing these issues, so as to contribute to
social cohesion and stability in our country.
Our progress in building a stable and cohesive communities
requires the existence of a strong, efficient and effective
local government system with requisite capabilities to lead
development and service delivery. Our municipalities must be
able to perform in line with their legislative mandates and
ensure that communities have uninterrupted access to basic
services such as water and sanitation, waste removal,
electricity and roads.
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We are concerned that some of our municipalities are
struggling to maintain existing key infrastructure for water
and sanitation resulting in sewer spillages and interrupted
water supply to communities. In some cases, some of our
municipalities have limited capacity to develop new
infrastructure and expand access to services to cater for
growing human settlements and demand for services.
As part of enhancing the capacity of local government, the
Presidency will continue to work closely with the Department
of Co-operative Governance and Traditional Affairs, CoGTA, and
National Treasury to provide targeted support to
municipalities to build necessary capacities. Among others,
the support includes: the strengthening governance system,
improving audit their outcomes, development and maintenance of
key infrastructure for water and sanitation, and supporting
local economic development initiatives.
Within the context of the District Development Model, DDM, the
Presidency will continue to lead and support the better
coordination and integration of government programmes to
maximise delivery impact on the ground. Where challenges have
been identified, we will continue leading coordinated
interventions to respond to issues raised by communities.
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Notwithstanding objective weaknesses and gaps in
infrastructure delivery, we are also concerned about acts of
criminality targeting strategic economic and social
infrastructure in our communities. Theft and vandalism of our
core network infrastructure threatens to roll back whatever
progress the country has made over the last few years. It
cannot be allowed to continue.
We call upon communities to work with government and the
police to guard and protect economic and public infrastructure
from theft and destruction.
As we address development and service delivery challenges, we
are cognisant of the critical role of traditional leaders in
our local governance system. Our governance framework make
provision for the meaningful participation of traditional
leaders in advancing socioeconomic development in traditional
communities. Our partnership with the institution of
traditional leadership creates an effective platform for a
joined-up efforts to advance the goals of rural development to
benefit traditional communities under the jurisdiction of
traditional leaders.
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The President has appointed an Inter-Ministerial Task Team to
address all issues raised by traditional leaders. Already,
this task team has managed to convene a Communal Land Tenure
Summit where all the resolutions that were taken in that
summit will be able to be taken forward so that, finally, we
resolve the challenge of communal land in communal
communities.
Targeted infrastructure investment in rural areas should be
geared towards unlocking economic development and employment
opportunities while ensuring that access to schools, hospitals
and basic services is significantly enhanced.
As the Presidency we remain committed to the direction that
the President has given on reviving the economy. This includes
the implementation of the commitments that emanate from this
year’s state of the nation address. We recommit to these
priorities as they are the key to creating a better South
Africa for all our people.
Collectively, we will seize this opportunity to fight for and
safeguard our cherished vision of a united, nonracial,
nonsexist, just and prosperous South Africa. Thank you, hon
Chairperson. [Applause.]
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Prince M G BUTHELEZI: Hon House Chairperson, Your Excellency
our President; Your Excellency our Deputy President, hon
Speaker, our hon Ministers and Deputy Ministers, hon members
of the National Assembly, before I speak to this budget, I
will ask His Excellency the President, to tell me whether he
understands me. Am I speaking clearly enough, Your Excellency?
Or is my ‘speech an impediment’ causing difficulties?
I ask, because hon Madam Chairperson, Your Excellency, your
premier in KwaZulu-Natal Mr Sihle Zikalala has publicly
ridiculed me, telling the Children’s Parliament in kwaZulu-
Natal that the Traditional Prime Minister to the Zulu Monarch
and nation, myself, is incomprehensible, because he stammers.
He even did a lively impersonation of me to the amusement of
the audience, encouraging the children of the Zulu Kingdom to
mock me as the King’s Prime Minister.
And he did this in the presence of my eldest daughter.
I ask Your Excellency: What kind of a leader is that? A leader
who gets into drunken brawls in public, embarrassing his
party, our Province, his Office and our country. I can assure
him that I am not an intellectual midget in any sense nor by
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physique. So, I cannot be pulled down by any midget of shape
and kind to the level of midgets.
It pains me Your Excellency, personally, that the oldest
liberation movement in our continent is discredited by leaders
of the premier’s Zikalala’s ilk. I take it personally, because
when His late Excellency President Kaunda, on behalf the
frontline leaders, asked me to found a membership-based
organisation in 1974, our leader Mr Oliver Tambo immediately
approved. Thus, from the start, I stated that Inkatha was
rooted in the ideals of the ANC as laid down by its founding
fathers in 1912.
Now, the credibility of the ANC, and of the government, is
continually being compromised as leaders are implicated in
scandals, corruption, abuses of power, and behaviour that
tears apart the moral fabric of South Africa. When leaders
show no respect and act like hooligans, how can we be
surprised when anarchy such as we saw in July last year
erupts?
Today, the IFP is called upon to debate the Budget Vote of the
Presidency; a budget that yet again has undergone no scrutiny
of any kind by Parliament, no oversight process and no
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interrogation by the people who are charged with protecting
our country from abuses of power and abuse of state funds.
So, for the sake of enabling the Presidency to perform its
work, the IFP has always and every year supported this budget,
despite none of our questions being answered. We have done
this on the assumption that the highest office in our land the
Presidency would not act contrary to what is just and right,
we assume.
However, I ask this question: Is that assumption still fair?
Are we fulfilling our duty if we rubberstamp an unexamined
budget in the face of abundant evidence that the rot of
wasteful expenditure, mismanagement and corruption is actually
pervasive throughout government?
Your Excellency, in presenting the Presidency’s Budget Vote
last year, you said that 10 years had passed since the
National Planning Commission had identified the key cause of
government’s failure – the lack of co-ordination. You then
declared that now, a decade later, we had a capable state
which is and I quote, “well-run and well-managed, with clear
lines of responsibility and accountability.”
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That was June 2021. And then after that, July 2021 happened.
In the aftermath of the worst civil unrest since the dawn of
democracy, the investigative report of the expert panel
described a Government entirely lacking in co-ordination; with
duplicated reporting lines, overlapping roles, and a plethora
of structures that fail to communicate.
It seems essential, then, that this budget should provide the
audited performance history of programmes of the Presidency.
Yet the budget before us simply states that “no historical
data is available”. Targets for future performance are happily
given, but past performance is omitted. However, at least now
despite the Deputy President has just mentioned that there is
a task force looking at the role of the traditional leadership
which was never recognised in the Constitution and has no role
in any legislative framework.
Despite concerns being expressed, compensation of employees
still consumes close to 62% of the Presidency’s entire budget.
The R1,1 billion is spent on staff salaries alone. And
estimated future expenditure on administration has increased
yet again.
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We appreciate the President and Deputy President forfeiting a
salary increase last year, in solidarity with the many South
Africans who lost their income. [Time expired.]
Afrikaans:
Dr P J GROENEWALD: Agb Voorsitter ...
English:
... through you to the hon President. Hon President, in common
law, there is a crime which they call “compounding.” If the
people see what is in the newspapers about the whole incident
about your money it has all the elements of compounding.
Therefore, you cannot blame the people of South Africa if they
have certain questions.
Hon President when you started here you said the people of
South Africa come first and I agree with you. What the people
of South Africa does not understand, if you declare that you
are willing to appear in front of the Ethics Committee of the
ANC. But you don’t tell the people of South Africa what the
real facts are. I want to appeal to you, if you say you put
the people of South Africa first, tell them the truth because
truth will always win at the end of the day.
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Hon Chairperson, I also want to say that the speech of the hon
President is actually a picture of South Africa in this house,
which is totally different from the picture of South Africa
outside of this House. Let me give you one example. You
referred to the Special Investigating Unit, SIU, but earlier
this week, and you said you will ... [Inaudible.] ...
implement the recommendations from the SIU. In this week, in
front of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, SCOPA, the
SIU declared that 463 cases, the recommendations have not been
implemented, disciplinary steps against civil servants. So,
what you are saying doesn’t make sense.
Hon President, if we look at the crime rate in South Africa,
the murder rate in South Africa is more than 6 000 for the
first three months of this year and 157 907 victims of violent
crime. If we say violent crime you must understand that they
are traumatized after that crime. So, we have more than 52,000
people per month who are traumatized in South Africa because
of crime. The leading cause of murder, reason or factor is
arguments, misunderstandings, which refers to a social
problem.
Hon President, the second leading causative factor is mob
justice, and that is worrying. Because if you look at mob
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justice, it says that the community, the people, don’t have
trust in the police. They don’t have trust in our criminal
justice system. You will remember about three or four years
ago, we had the meeting with the United States of America, US,
President and leaders, and I have specifically referred to our
criminal justice system. And what is the statistics actually
revealing? The increase in murder rate of women which is at
17,5%, for the children, a disturbing 37,2%, increase in
murders for the three months in 2022.
Hon President, in an internal survey by the police itself, it
revealed that 53% of the members of the police are actually
said that the police members are dishonest. I urge you there
should be a priority number one on the criminal justice
system.
Hon Chairperson, I want to ask the hon President, do you have
a problem with Afrikaans? Afrikaans is an official language
acknowledged in the Constitution of South Africa. But the
Minister of Sports, Arts and Culture now wants to take the
word Afrikaans out of the Afrikaans Taal Monument. There is n
other way to think that he’s got it against Afrikaans.
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But hon President, if there is ever a monument in South
Africa, who is inclusive, that reflects the Nguni languages,
the Khoi and the San, it is that Afrikaanse Taal Monument. You
didn’t say anything on that. And I want to ask you ...
Afrikaans:
... en ek wil vir die agb President vra, as dit moontlik is,
kom ek en u besoek daardie monument sodat u die simboliek
daarvan kan verstaan. U wys vir my dit is reg. Dan gaan ons
hom besoek. Dankie. Ek wil ook vir u vra om vir die mense van
Suid-Afrika te sê waar u staan met ... Afrikaans.
English:
Lastly, hon President, and I don’t have time. You referred to
the economic measures you have taken. the fact of the matter
is as follows. Are you aware that of the fact that in Matikwe,
north of Durban there is a report that children eat sand, you
hear me? They eat sand to feed their stomach. With great
respect, hon President and you can say many words here. But
199 children below five-years, died the last two-months
because of malnutrition. That is the reality of South Africa.
I thank you.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon members,
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Setswana:
Sebui se se latelang ho tswa ho ACDP ke motlh Moruti Meshoe.
English:
Hon members, as we always say this room is too small and once
a person speaks from that side or the other side we can’t hear
we can’t hear the one on the podium.
Setswana:
Motlh Meshoe, leka tswelelapele, rra.
Rev K R J MESHOE: House Chairperson, hon President and
members, on the 25th of May 2019, President Ramaphosa
delivered a speech that reverberated for months throughout the
country. He said, and I quote:
I’m humbled by the trust you have bestowed upon me aware
of the challenges our country faces, but also alive to
the fact that our people are filled with hope for a
better tomorrow.
Chairperson, in deed, the majority of South Africans trusted
the President and were filled with hope for a better tomorrow.
But alas, that hope was short lived. The allegations of
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corruption, money laundering, racketeering, defeating the ends
of justice against the President, have left the many
devastated and deeply disappointed. Rather than taking
responsibility for breaking the law of this country. The
President maintains that his hands are clean and his integrity
is intact.
Chairperson, the President cannot continue evading critical
questions that have resulted from what happened at his Phala
Phala farm. These questions that demand answers include the
following. Firstly, why did the President keep foreign
currency to the value of 4 million US dollars at his farm
while knowing that it is illegal to do so? Secondly, who
brought the foreign currency on the farm and was it cleared
with customs when it was brought on to the farm? Thirdly, why
was the breaking in and theft of that foreign currency that
was found hidden in the furniture not reported to the police?
Fourthly, if that money came from sales of animals of the farm
as some have alleged, has tax been paid on those sales?
Fifthly, is it true, Mr President, that a domestic worker who
work there was bribed allegedly tortured even, to ensure that
he does not talk about what has happened on the farm? We want
to know.
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While I know that justice must take its course and a full
independent inquiry has to investigate these serious
allegations, much will have to be done to restore the nation’s
trust and confidence in the President. I urge the President to
be transparent and not to try and make excuses or hide any
truth.
To the President I directly want to say sir, please do not
allow this Phala-Phala incident to be part of your legacy.
Where there is fall, you need to repent and make right not
only as head of state, but also because you are responsible
before God. I want to remind you further, Mr President, that
King Solomon once said, and I quote:
Whoever conceals his transgressions will not prosper. But
whoever confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy. I
wish you do that.
Thank you.
Mr W M THRING: House Chair, I rise on a point of order.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Can you please state
what rule you are standing on, hon Thring?
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Mr W M THRING: The rule that I am standing on is a rule that
when a speaker is at the podium all of the negative comments
that come through unnecessarily ... The ACDP respected the
President and they should do the same when our President
speaks. Thank you.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon member, I want to
read to you Rule 92(3) which says and I quote:
A member raising a point of order must commence by
quoting the exact rule or a standing order or at least
the principle of the subject matter upon which the point
of order is based.
Please let’s do that it will help us a lot as we proceed.
Because we really can’t have a debate within a debate. Thank
you.
Mr W M THRING: Hon Chair, if that applies to every single
member on this side and that side of the House then that’s
fine we accept it. Thank you.
Mr S N SWART: House Chair!
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Yes, hon Swart.
Mr S N SWART: I rise on Rule 66. When the leader of the ACDP
was speaking it was incredibly difficult to hear him because
of other members that were interrupting him by interjections.
You made mention of the fact that this is a small Chamber and
therefore when there are interjections then it is very
difficult. In this case, Rule 66 indicates that a member is
not interrupted. And I notice that our leader had occasionally
stopped because of the loud interjections and I would ask you
to rule in that regard. Thank you so much.
Thank you very much. Hon members, I will repeat what I said.
My ruling is that this room is small, heckling is allowed, but
heckling cannot be shouting. That’s what I will say. Hon
Kwankwa, why are you raising?
Mr N L S KWANKWA: Since we couldn’t hear ntate moruti
[Reverend] can he go back to the podium and deliver his speech
again? Please House Chair.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): What are you saying?
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Mr N L S KWANKWA: We couldn’t hear ntate moruti [Reverend]
speech, can he go back again to the podium again?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Kwankwa, that is
out of order, you don’t give any instructions in this sitting.
Hon members, Rule 92 says that you must raise the point of
order immediately when there is that occurrence. Should you
have raised your hand immediately, it would have assisted me.
Thank you very much. As we proceed, we will now recognise the
Minister in the Presidency.
The MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY: Hon House Chairperson, His
Excellency, President Cyril Ramaphosa, Deputy President of the
Republic, hon David Mabuza, hon members of the House, members
of the media, fellow South Africans, I greet you all.
I think the challenge, Mr President, is that you have been
very much unfair in this Parliament today. First, you
dislodged the opposition and turned them into fans in their
grandstands. Because you called them to a field of play they
opted to sit in the grandstand. So that left you alone in the
field of play. I am still going to speak about that part.
Secondly, unfortunately, Mr President, you also imposed
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reorganisation of my speech because of the meticulous
presentation you just put across.
We present this Presidency Budget Vote halfway through this
Sixth Administration of government which was ushered in after
the 2019 national and provincial elections where the governing
party, the African National Congress, pledged to grow South
Africa together.
Working with the people of South Africa, we pledged a new
chapter of hope in the fight to eradicate unemployment,
poverty and inequality. A chapter to pursue the dream of our
forebears of a non-racial, non-sexist, united, democratic and
prosperous South Africa.
With all the above articulated by the President, as government
we recognise that we have only two years left of the Sixth
Administration. We have therefore identified the priorities
for the remaining period to deal with all the aspects of the
triple challenges as articulated. The Presidency will continue
to play a leading role, as the President said, to build a
nation that eradicates unemployment, poverty and inequality. A
nation that fights corruption and malfeasance which steals
from the poor. A nation where injustices of the past are
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redressed and where socioeconomic transformation is a priority
for our efforts. A nation where all can live in safety and
security without the scourge of gender-based violence and
femicide.
The Presidency has thus developed and drives the strategic
imperatives expressed in the National Strategic Plan which was
adopted by Cabinet lekgotla last year, which identifies the
following top ten acceleration interventions to deliver
results towards tangible outcomes in 2022-23. Amongst others,
is job creation in the public and private sector. The
President has actually given a progress report on that. Ease
of doing business to stimulate private sector investment and
grow productive sectors of the economy as part of recovery and
addressing the jobs crisis in South Africa. Using preferential
procurement to utilise public procurement to empower
enterprises owned by black people, women and persons with
disabilities as well as small, medium and micro enterprises,
SMMEs, and co-operatives. Modernisation and digitalisation of
the public service and the economy in general will contribute
to economic recovery. Interventions to immediately address
household food insecurity and hunger. The full rollout of the
vaccination programme as a critical intervention to save
lives, stabilise public health and enable stabilisation,
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recovery and rebuilding of the economy. Addressing water and
sanitation backlogs in schools and communities. Addressing the
title deeds backlog is a long-standing commitment with
generally poor performance up to this point. Interventions to
reduce violent crimes, including GBV. While important progress
has been made in combatting corruption and bringing
perpetrators to book, more visible progress needs to be made
with regard to prosecutions for corruption and related
offences.
At this point in time ... [Interjections.] ... In March 2022,
Cabinet approved the Country Investment Strategy which is
currently out for public comment and consultation. South
Africa’s inaugural Country Investment Strategy aims to
position South Africa as a key preferred African investment
destination by attracting and facilitating quality foreign and
domestic direct investment into the country. Mr President, as
we move to address this issue of investment strategy we want
to also give some progress report in the area of security.
Based on the High-Level Review Panel by Professor Sydney
Mufamadi, we accept that the progress is slow, but there is
some progress to brief the nation about. For instance,
legislative impediment, in other words, General Intelligence
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Laws Amendment Bill, which is ready for further processing by
Cabinet and then Parliament, is in process. Regulations for
national intelligence committee have been drafted and are on
consultation stage with co-ordinator and the drafters. The
process will be finished by September. The split of two
services is on track, domestic and foreign. Under the
stewardship of Ambassador Majola, the Director-General, a
roadmap is being implemented. Legal advisory service is hard
at work with forensic investigation to uncover the extent of
maleficence and referred case to Independent Directorate, ID,
and the Hawks. The matter of dogma shift from state security
to national security is being addressed. Soon we will be
consulting the public on the National Security Strategy. The
matter of vacancies rate is continuously being addressed in
tandem with achievement of stability at a management level.
These are some of the critical matters on implementation of
High-Level Panel Review in this regard.
In fighting crime and corruption and building an ethical and
capable developmental state, the Presidency has established a
system for co-ordinating the implementation of all Special
Investigating Unit, SIU, recommendations across the multiple
departments, spheres and agencies responsible for
implementation. This will overcome gaps in accountability and
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allow us to monitor and detect where there is inadequate
progress in implementation.
Hon members, as we promised in February, this week we tabled
the SIU reports implementation plan to the Standing Committee
on Public Accounts while various investigations by law
enforcement authorities on SIU recommendations are ensuing on
a daily basis. As a true testament to our commitment to
running a transparent government, all volumes of the Zondo
Commission report on the State Capture Inquiry have been
released to the public within the timeframes we had committed.
We have, through the office of the Director-General in the
Presidency, established a team to work through the
recommendations before the deadline to Parliament which is 15
October. We can promise the country that we will be as
transparent as we have been throughout this process of
implementing the recommendations of the report. As the
Minister of Finance said during the budget speech, resources
have been allocated for the quick implementation of the
report.
As we have previously stated, law enforcement agencies are
already working to ensure that those who are found to have
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been implicated in state capture are brought to book. We have,
in this regard, seen examples of serious arrests being made in
the recent weeks. That is the progress so far, House Chair, if
one is to go quickly on what the DPME is going to do regarding
this matter. Hon members, thank you again.
As we know, we are at a very critical point in our term of
office, with less than two years before the country goes to
the polls. The work that we do now and in the period to April
2024 will determine whether we are able to regain lost grounds
and reverse the setbacks caused by multiple shocks, including
the pandemic, the July unrest and the April and May flood
disasters, all of which compounded poor growth levels.
[Inaudible.] ... poverty and hunger have worsened.
We are behind in our 2030 and Medium-Term Strategic Framework,
MTSF, targets regarding growth employment, gross fixed capital
formation, inequality and poverty. While there are signs of
economic recovery for many South Africans, sustained and
growing economic equality has reduced the meaning and the
value. Again, these are not new but need to be reinvigorated.
These are our priority issues we are focusing on.
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On prioritisation and focus, prioritisation is universally
accepted as a principle of evidence-based decision making.
This principle of evidence-based decision making is a tall ask
we are constantly asking upon a crisis to which we must
respond with competing demands.
Listed in highlight, a people-cantered approach is our focus,
an interventionist problem-solving approach, accelerated
delivery and collaborative approach are areas we are actually
dealing with. In institutionalisation we are
institutionalising integrated planning and alignment,
effective monitoring and evaluation system, performance
management system and digitisation of the Planning, Monitoring
and Evaluation, PME, system. All these are issues that as the
Department of Planning, Monitoring and Evaluation we are
focusing on.
I know, hon House Chairperson, I would have dismally failed if
I did not deal with some nice issues. Mr President, as I said,
you have been allowed to play in the field alone. The message
sent by Parliament today is that ANC is alone in the field of
play, therefore, the failure and success of this game depends
on us.
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Hon John Steenhuisen came here and said nothing about Vote 1,
but contradicted himself by saying that there is a need for
investigations, and yet he had findings in his speech ...
[Interjections.] ... and then also cast aspersions on the law
enforcement institution by saying that it is a pending smoke
screen investigation. What we don’t understand also, hon
members, the President has not been charged. Before there is a
charge in the judiciary system, the prosecutors must analyse
information and after that reach a determination whether there
is a basis for charging or not. As we speak here now ...
[Interjection.] ... What has occurred in Phala Phala, key
institutions are analysing that and they are going to reach a
determination. The President has said, unequivocally, that he
is going to co-operate with that.
One of the scariest thing, hon Steenhuisen, there is not a
single one ... [Interjections.] ... very few people in this
narrative who are worried about the access in the precinct or
the residence of the President which threatens his security.
Not a single one is speaking about that. There is an access
which still has to be investigated. Secondly, he is robbed,
and thirdly, he must be the one who is put in the adjudication
spot. None of you have said that.
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Minister ...
IsiNdebele
... ngiyacolisa, isikhathi siphelile. Sithokoze malunga
ahloniphekileko. Thulani! Ngiyabona bonyana nifuna ukuhlala la
bekube kusasa ngombana anisafuni nokungipha ithuba lokoba
ngikhulume. Malunga ahloniphekileko, ngathana bekuya ngami
bengizakuthi hlalani ngombana kade nithola isikhathi sekhefu.
Umuntu ekufanele aphendule kusasa nguMengameli, ngalokho
kufanele alalele woke umuntu. Asinipheni imizuzu eli-15
kheniphume nizakubuya. Sithokoze.
BUSINESS SUSPENDED AT 18:07 FOR 15 MINUTES
BUSINESS SUSPENDED AT 18:07 AND RESUMED AT 18:34.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): ... [Inaudible.] ...
Budget Vote, as I recognise from the ANC, hon Mahlaule.
Mr M G MAHLAULE: Hon President, Deputy President, hon members.
Chairperson, the Presidency has made enormous progress since
2019 that makes the democratic South Africa appear like the
beginning of time rather than the end of history, and without
shadow of a doubt, further progress is possible. The progress
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and success of the Presidency have been vigorously debated
within both the Parliament and the public broadly. In the
midst of the Presidency Budget Vote today, however, a new
discursive practice seems to be emerging, that of, conflating
the public realm and the private realm, when reflecting on the
performance of the Presidency.
Let me be clear about what I am talking about. It is worth
pointing out that the subject in today’s debate is President
Ramaphosa as a public representative, and not President
Ramaphosa as a shrewd businessman. What President Ramaphosa
does in his private life as a business man, is something that
the Parliament has no authority over, and therefore it should
not be the place for free thought and the exercise of reason.
Chairperson, the reason I am raising this, is obviously that,
the opposition parties tend to use President Ramaphosa’s
business interests to drive narratives that pit the President
against the citizens.
As such, narratives are not only hegemonic, but also set up
interpretative frameworks that repress anything that is
articulated and envisioned outside of those frameworks. For
instance, the EFF speculates that President Ramaphosa
concealed the crime at his farm for fear that such revelations
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might expose the President’s involvement in what is
supposedly, racketeering, which implies that President
Ramaphosa’s commitment to fighting corruption is predictable,
meaning, he’s talking left, so as to more rapidly walk right.
President Ramaphosa, that is the EFF’s views, it goes like, he
must step aside to allow the rule of law to take precedent
without interference.
Although it is hard to tell at the moment how much impact this
view will have, it is nonetheless extremely popular in the
public discourse, because the EFF is competing with the media
to engage our attention with dramatic narratives. But I am
inclined to urge South African citizens to consume this view
fact-fully, and to subsequently realise that this view is not
truly helpful or, for evaluating the performance of President.
Chairperson, it is important to underscore that the view of
the EFF, is nothing short of throwing stones in a glass house.
To be more specific, the ANC has never spread any distorting
narrative when it was revealed that the EFF and its President
for Life, received donations from donors alleged to be
involved in illicit tobacco trade and tax evasions.
Moreover, the ANC has never conveyed a dramatic representative
picture of the DA when one of its provincial executives in the
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Western Cape province was at the centre of serious allegations
of sexual assault, and yet, these opposition parties have the
audacity to dictate to the ANC, how it should handle the
alleged crime against President Ramaphosa as the party’s
deployee in government. The DA and the EFF must allow the
internal disciplinary and integrity processes of the ANC to
unfold without attempting to spur divisions where there is
smooth unity, misunderstanding where there is convergence, and
factions where there is agreement.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): hon Mahlaule, for a
moment, please. Hon Watson, you and hon Faber, please, that is
too much. I don’t want to disturb the speaker on the podium, I
try to be, you know. Proceed, hon member.
Mr M G MAHLAULE: Chairperson, South Africa is facing the
triple challenges of poverty, inequality, and unemployment,
and we should not pretend that these challenges do not exist,
but this does not suggest that we must look away from the
progress that has been made so far. Just to illustrate, the
current thinking about vertical and horizontal inequalities,
often ignores wider dimensions of inequality such as between
rural and urban workers, and between men and women, that may
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retard inclusive economic development as outlined in the
Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan, ERRP.
Furthermore, the approach to tackling vertical and horizontal
inequalities, seldom places gentrification which harms
residential neighbourhoods at the centre of concern. For
instance, gentrification is evident in the City of Cape Town
whereby the DA-led Government allows market forces to keep
property inflation rates too high to undermine access to
affordable housing for the working class, as well as the poor
who happen to be black. This process is implemented under the
guise of development, but its intention is to cater for the
sophisticated lifestyles practised by the emerging middle and
capitalist classes consisting mainly of white people.
Through the impressive work of the Investment and
Infrastructure Office in the Presidency, the Mooikloof Mega
Residential City project, which is estimated to create
approximately 50 000 apartments and almost 41 000 direct jobs,
is designed to tackle gentrification, as well as vertical and
horizontal inequalities so that the City of Tshwane, does not
become a mirror image of the City of Cape Town. The project is
designed to fast-track the key priority intervention of
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accelerating an infrastructure-led economic recovery as
outlined in the Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan.
In addition to providing access to lifestyle services which
have been denied individuals in lower income groups, partly
because of the conservative nature of the banking system in
South Africa that is over cautious when financing housing
developments for lower income groups. Chairperson, the
Presidential Employment Stimulus, PES, since its inception in
2020, as a response to the devastating effects of COVID-19
pandemic on employment, has transitioned to the second phase
in line with the ANC-led government’s quest to create more job
opportunities for unemployed South Africans.
To avoid misjudging the progress of the Presidential
Employment Stimulus, more than half a million unemployed South
Africans in sectors with direct social impact such as
education, food security, public infrastructure maintenance,
and environmental protection, benefitted from this employment
scheme during its first phase. Of course, the EFF as a self-
proclaimed party that cares about the workers, is likely to
argue that these job opportunities pay workers unacceptably
low wages, and make them work in inhumane conditions. What the
EFF struggles to grapple with is that, there is no objective
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way to understanding inhumane conditions and low wages, given
South Africa’s status as one of the most unequal countries in
the world.
It is plausible that what the EFF considers a low wage is a
decent wage in the eyes of most South Africans at the
receiving end of poverty, inequality, and unemployment.
Chairperson, opposition parties, particularly the DA and the
EFF, tend to depict President Ramaphosa as a Leviathan, that
always gets what it wants. It is assumed that he has
centralised power in the Presidency through Consultative
Advisory Councils such as the Climate Change Commission and
the Presidential Climate Finance Task Team, and this in turn,
creates what is known as a state within a state.
What the DA and the EFF are unaware of is that, Cabinet is not
a chessboard with predetermined moves, you just move this one
to that one, but rather, a flexible institution that can be
altered according to the need at the moment. Actually,
centralisation is not an issue that the EFF is equipped to
rule on, since its Commander-in-Chief is all executive,
legislature, and judiciary at the same time. Notwithstanding
the view of the opposition parties regarding centralisation.
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The Climate Change Commission has done so much work to support
the Just Energy Transition.
Among others, it has managed to raise more than R131 billion
from Western countries to help the country to achieve energy
mix and energy security as outlined in the Integrated Resource
Plan, 2019. This investment will be helpful in procuring a
further 9 213 megawatts during 2022 and early 2023 comprising
of bid windows in renewable energy, storage, gas, and coal. In
conclusion, Chairperson, the Presidency budget, must pass
because President Ramaphosa has performed exceptionally well
in the middle of COVID-19 pandemic, which has halted so many
social and economic development plans.
With the easing of lockdown restrictions, we have more reasons
to believe that economic reconstruction and recovery will be
accelerated at a faster pace. You must listen. Thank you.
Setswana:
MODULASETILO WA NTLO: Re a leboga.
English:
Hon Cuthberth, your voice is so strong. So please, just try to
slow it down. Make it lower, please. You are Cuthberth.
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Gen B H HOLOMISA: Chairperson, Mr President and hon members.
Mr President, you have made various promises during your state
of the nation addresses, for instance, the project of Mzivubu
Dam, the N2 Project along the wine coast, and many other
projects, as well as the mega cities. I would suggest that,
maybe an audit of your promises, and a check-up of the
progress you have made and the reasons for any failures.
Regarding the much talk about break-in at your farm, many
opinions have been given by all political parties in the
House, and the onus rest on you to consider the suggested
courses of action for the sake of your family, the country and
yourself.
Last Friday, the Public Protector was asked by one of the
political parties in Parliament, ATM, and asked you to clarify
the break-in at your farm, but today, Mr President, you
suspended her, that is the Public Protector. Who will
investigate you, sir? The police, who bungled this
investigation, I doubt if they qualify. Furthermore, Mr
President, we have also been alerted that the judgement for
the Public Protector ... [Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Order, hon members. I
can’t hear. Proceed, Mr Holomisa.
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Gen B H HOLOMISA: ... the judgement for the challenge which
was mounted by some of us, where we said, you don’t have a leg
on to suspend the Public Protector. That judgement is due to
be delivered tomorrow. Why would you do this on the eve of
judgement? What kind of message are you sending? Perhaps, has
somebody from the judiciary whispered something, in the same
manner as we witnessed under Abamjee? Mr President, we have
heard via the Zondo Commission, how the Ruling Party and some
of its leaders have benefited from state resources, even your
own words have echoed these sentiments.
IsiXhosa:
USIHLALO WENDLU (Nksz M G Boroto): Siyaxolisa lungu
elihloniphekileyo uHolomisa, ixesha lakho limkile.
IsiXhosa:
Nje B H HOLOMISA: Hayi niliphelise ngabom. Niwuvile kodwa
umyalezo, la masela la.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon members, the way
you are making noise it’s not right because, somebody will say
something and you will come and say, this is a point of order,
when I’ve heard nothing. So please, let’s respect this House.
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We know that you can heckle, but limit your voices. Don’t over
drown the speakers.
The MINISTER OF SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT: Thank you very much,
Chairperson, this might be sounding very funny coming from me,
but this is a fact and the truth. We are in a situation where
as South Africans and Parliamentarians need to take a moment
and think very seriously about what happens in this House.
From the bottom of my heart, I’m genuinely saying that there
is a time when we can make all the noises, insult each other
and do everything that we want to do. But there is a time when
we need to stop and I personally believe, hon Chair, having
been in this House, having been one of those that also make
those noises, having been one of those that heckles beyond
imagination ... [Laughter.] I am now saying the people of
South Africa are calling upon us now to relook and rethink and
think very hard about what comes out of this House.
[Applause.]
This, hon Chair, President and Deputy President, I say
genuinely as a representative of the South African people who
many of whom fought to be here and never got a chance to be
here. It is my time, Mr President, Deputy President, to say to
the hon members here that it is a time now for us to pull
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back. It is a time for us now to really do a complete overhaul
in a manner in which we conduct ourselves in this House and I
want to say today I am going to be number one in that.
[Applause.]
Your Excellency, Mr President thank you very much. I do want
to say to those who do not believe ...
IsiZulu:
... abafuna ukukholwa njengoThomas, ngizocela ukuthi
bangibheke kusukela manje ukuya phambili. Bangitshele ukuthi
bayangithemba noma abangithembi. Ngime la Mnu Mongameli
ngicela ukubonga ukuthi wena ...
English:
... as a President of the Republic of South Africa, you are
leading us and you expect certain things from us, as the
executive and you, Deputy President, I am sure you expect the
same.
IsiZulu:
Ngoba sikhuluma nabantu abasemakhaya ngiyacela, Sihlalo
ohloniphekile, namalungu ahloniphekile ukuthi ngicaphune
amagama anokushiwo omunye usisi, omkhulu kahle, engimthandayo
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woKhozi FM, uLady D onokuthi uma eqeda uhlelo lwakhe athi:
“Nginithanda nonke emakhaya.” Ngicela ukusho ukuthi thina
singamalungu we-ANC ngiyethemba nabo laba abangapha bazovuma
mangithi sinithanda nonke emakhaya.
English:
Mr President and Deputy President, I am here being very
thankful of the fact that Mr President you referred to a very
challenging situation, which we have been in as a nation with
regard to the military veterans. Mr President, Deputy
President, and members of this House, any nation that does not
respect, that forgets about the people who sacrificed for
their freedom and takes them for granted does not deserve a
future. Every nation all over the world they always remember
the future. They remember their heroes and heroines who made
it possible. I wish to thank you, Mr President and Deputy
President, that you have taken this issue very seriously
because it has been going on for too long. I do want to say to
you in this House and to the nation, those military veterans
deserve a better life. Those military veterans and their
children and grandchildren deserve better. It is possible for
us to give them that better life they deserve. [Applause.]
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Mr President, while continuing to provide solid leadership to
all-of-government in the service of society and all our
people, Your Excellency, your office, your Deputy President
and all the Ministers and everyone who works in your office
and I thank you also for raising an issue of the DG in your
office. Nothing is as painful and especially being a woman
find yourself being threatened in the manner in which she’s
being threatened. I am hoping Mr President that those thugs
...
IsiZulu:
...angazi ukuthi ngibabizeni. Ngicela ukuthi bamyeke
aqhubeke enze umsebenzi wakhe.
English:
Mr President, you are steering the ship that you are steering
and commandeering for:
Firstly, effectively carry out executive oversight on coherent
policy and integrated programme implementation pursuant of an
inclusive, transformed and prosperous South African. Mr
President, we talk of prosperity. Prosperity cannot be only
for us who are in this House. Prosperity has to be for all
citizens of this country;
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Secondly, provide responsive technical competencies by which
accountability is necessarily engendered in the quest to
realise government’s strategic agenda;
Thirdly, continuously improve governance, state capacity and
programme implementation with the view to qualitatively better
the state of our people — yes, your constituency, hon members,
when I talk about the state of people, I am not only just
talking about the members of the ANC. I am talking about your
own constituencies too, and through social and economic
reconstruction and recovery we have to get South Africa
working.
We just came back from a strategic planning meeting where the
President told us in no uncertain terms that we must fill the
potholes. He told us in no uncertain terms that everything
that is a challenge that depends on us, we must be able to
deal with it. So, within the three programmes that I have just
spoken to The Presidency’s Budget Vote 1 for the 2022-23
financial year, the Presidency will continue to lead and co-
ordinate processes that formulate and implement comprehensive
and sustainable solutions relative to the legacy of poverty
and unemployment, as well as the novelty of climate change.
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Mr President, when we talk about climate change, we want to
say to our people the issue of climate change is not just a
government issue. When we were crisscrossing KwaZulu-Natal, we
were telling them that when they wake up early in the morning
and watch the news and they see the weather, they must not
think about what are they going to wear. They must think about
what’s going to happen. Is it going to rain, is it going to be
a heavy rain? Is it going to be a light rain? Will I still
find my house when I come back or not. So, Mr President all
the areas that yourself together with the Deputy President as
well as the Minister Gungubele spoke to, are the issues of
great importance to ask as a Department of Social Development.
Of course, Mr President, we are not just about the Department
of Social Development, we are about the overall performance of
our government where government creates a conducive
environment for our people.
Our social protection framework constitutes part of our
comprehensive approach to inequalities, unemployment and
poverty. Not only do we provide targeted social assistance to
cover 18 million South Africans who cannot provide for
themselves and their families every month - excluding over
10 million who are receiving the COVID Social Relief of
Distress grant, the SRD, R350 – and I know that there are
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those who are going to say that yes they are still waiting for
that R350. Yes, Mr President, they will get that R350.
However, the fact is that in order for us to pay that R350,
we’ve got to make sure that there are proper systems that make
sure the money is paid to the right people. Secondly, we spend
a lot of money also in paying that money. so we have to
negotiate with banks. Unfortunately for us, we have to
negotiate with the banks. Maybe one day Sassa may be able to
do its own payments so that it doesn’t have to go through the
pain that we are going though. So, Mr President, that R350
will be paid.
Now turning into international area, Mr President, South
Africa is part and parcel of a greater world. Therefore, it is
important for us as a country and as a nation to continue
calling for peace across the world. We call for peace in North
Africa, in the Sahel, in the Horn of Africa, in the Middle
East, Asia and, of course, we call for peace even in Europe.
The issue of the conflict or the war between Russia and
Ukraine is of importance to us. We want to make sure that our
efforts which we have been putting as a nation, as a country,
from the time that we started in 1994, we have been respected
by the world for being able to participate in peacekeeping
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missions. We have been able to participate in bringing peace
through negotiations.
I stood here at the time when we were trying to bring peace in
the DRC. I crisscrossed the country together with Minister
Nkosazana Zuma at that time. I can tell you every step - where
and what was happening in the DRC. Nothing pains me than to
see African people throughout this time, women and children
running away with their miserable, possessions carried on
their heads, running away from mortars, from all kinds of
weapons and I asked myself a question: Who is selling those
weapons? May those who sell the weapons stop. Just like we
have seen the ones who are selling and buying weapons from the
West. Now sending them to the Ukraine and very soon they’ll be
trying to find out how do we remove these weapons and yet they
know ... In fact, Mr President, I think some of them are
making money because their industries are going while our
industries are not going.
We want to also thank the African continent for receiving us
and also for enabling President Cyril Ramaphosa and Minister
Naledi Pandor to work under very difficult conditions in the
African continent as well as the world. But also I would like
to thank Africa for its African continental free trade, which
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has been ratified by 42 countries. We are hoping that economic
peace, stability and development will come to the continent
and we must not exclude ourselves from the African continent.
I thank you.
Ms T L MARAWU: Hon Chairperson, on the 3rd of June 2021,
whilst delivering a budget speech, President Ramaphosa made a
lot of good sounding utterances but failed dismally on each
one of them. Because of time allocation I will deal with just
three of his statements. He said;
“We commend the hard work that has been underway in the
National Assembly and through public hearings across the
country on amendments to section 25 of the Constitution to
enable the expropriation of land without compensation.”
This statement was a pure lie because the term expropriation
without compensation does not even appear on the Draft Bill to
amend section 25 of the Constitution. What appears is
expropriation with nil compensation. The two are not the same
and are not even interchangeable. The difference is very
fundamental although to an unsuspecting eye they may sound the
same, it is semantic, it is not. Why are the people of South
Africa being lied to? Secondly, he said;
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“If our economy is to thrive, if our people are to be
empowered, if poverty is to be defeated, we need to
tackle corruption, fraud and mismanagement in every area
of public life.”
When this statement was made, President Ramaphosa already knew
about the robbery in his Phalaphala farm where contrary to our
foreign exchange laws, millions of US dollars were stashed
under mattresses but he failed to take this House into
confidence and explain the circumstances around this robbery.
Section 96 prohibits Members of Cabinet from engaging in other
paid work, yet the President told a hall full of conference
delegates and media in Limpopo that apart from earning his
salary as a president, he is also a farmer that trades in
buying and selling game and livestock. How then should the
nation have confidence in a President that boasts about
flouting the Constitution? Thirdly, he said;
“We are steadily and progressively turning the tide,
strengthening our law enforcement agencies, identifying
wrongdoing and ensuring that action is taken against
those responsible.”
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President Ramaphosa has confirmed that the robbery in his farm
was not reported to the Police official as specified by the
law, PRECCA, Prevention and Combating of Corrupt Activities
Act section 34(1). The PPU, Police Protection Unit, member
that the President reported the matter to is not the DPCI,
Directorate for Priority Crime Investigation, officer for
crime as contemplated in the law, hence as we speak there is
still no case number.
So basically, the wrongdoing went unreported and thus not
captured in the crime statistics of the country. That alone
undermines and sabotages the entire Act and is unacceptable.
How can we win the war against corruption and criminality?
Hon Speaker, section 83(b) of the Constitution of South Africa
demands that President should, uphold, respect and defend the
Constitution. [Time expired.]
Mr J J McGLUWA: South Africans faced its first ever remix
performed live by President Ramaphosa. This remix is not made
in the studio. Beneath all these classic hits are the echoes
of an entire political structure that is in total tatters, the
emperor is without clothes.
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Mr President, it is time to read between the lines. The recent
developments are no doubt a consequence of your inability to
act against counter-revolutionary forces within your own
party. You cannot claim to be shocked again. The fact is, in a
bid to pretend that there is unity within your own ANC, you
appointed a bunch of alleged corrupt ANC cadres to your
Cabinet. Instead of confronting you directly, some Ministers
are making use of a faction to try and get rid of you. So much
for unity in the ANC.
Mr President, not a single person outside of this morally and
ethically corrupt ANC believes that the state of our country,
will improve under this poverty cabinet you have appointed.
Our country has become a laughing stock and human dignity
should be everyone’s pride.
House Chairperson, the love for sporadic game, the bidding of
a massive R18 Million buffalo amid a sea of poverty, the
amount spent satisfying the RET, Radical Economic
Transformation and ramaphoria faction.
And as I continue Speaker, I recall the inspired lyrics of
Thuma Mina and Khauleza. Little did we know it was a plight
of...
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IsiZulu:
... bheka mina ngedwa ...
English:
... an actual plight to send you Mr President to Phala Phala
and the increasing pressure from Mr Frazer.
The DA has requested the Hawks to investigate charges against
him but hell no Mr nice guy, Cyryl Ramaphosa redeployed him to
Correctional Services. Eat your cake Mr President!
Our country is on the edge of becoming a total failed state.
There is no denying that ANC cadres in government over the
last 2 decades have turned its back on the people of South
Africa, in favour of lining their own pockets through
corruption, fraud, theft, money laundering and racketeering.
Unlike you Mr Ramaphosa, we are not shocked that the tentacles
of ANC, corruption is so deeply entrenched within his
government. We are not shocked that the integrity of the state
has been compromised by the ANC in government. We are not
shocked that R62,1 million has been hid under a mattress.
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We are not shocked that the economic recovery package is not
showing any real economic growth. We are not shocked that
almost 15 million people are jobless. We are not shocked Mr
President that you are dealing with a dilemma. We are not
shocked that you preferred to speak to the Integrity Committee
instead of the country. We are not shocked to have learned
that someone won the first prize being the mampara of the
week.
Sesotho:
Wena o etsang ntate Moporesidente?
English:
We are not shocked because for the last 20 years it was the DA
that have warned the ANC that our state of decay and misery
and despair today has been forewarned
Speaker, it feels like forever we are therefore entitled to
ask; where was the President when the Guptas took control of
important SOEs such as Transnet, Eskom and Denel? Where?
Afrikaans:
Waar was jy, mnr die President?
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I know. The President himself was deployed by the ANC to make
these appointments so we are putting the blame on your
doorstep Mr President. Mr President the worst is yet to come.
Please allow me to rewind a little bit and dwell on the
counter revolutionaries and those who ones being your praise
singers. Let me remind you that the Deputy President is a paid
up member of the Premier League. It has once been said that a
leopard cannot change its spots, Tigers don’t cry Minister
Mantashe and buffalos have smooth tongues.
One wonders if the deputy in its worth the deputy of a deputy
because he is always absent without leave, all the time and
when coming to Parliament the same old answer to member of
this House.
The Minister of Police, wears a hat House Chairperson, hot
headed, always in a hat, always with a hat but he is currently
kept under a hat for a big surprise.
Ayanda Dlodo claimed she has warned about the riots in KZN yet
we had Parliament up in flames. Former Health Minister Zweli
Mkhise whose name surfaced in a SIU, Special Investigating
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Unit, investigation probing on how a KZN provincial tender
ballooned from a R3,5 million to R114 million.
Who will forget the R10 million glorified wheelbarrow Scooters
bought to serve as an ambulance? Then there is Digital vibes,
with Covid-19 corruption that hit the R5 billion but this ANC
government is quiet.
To date not a single word by the Presidency on Dikos
whereabouts when asked. She swindled the public purse with
PPE, personal protective equipment. She was found guilty
failing to disclose her interests and only received a written
warning She seems to be the untouchable and is nowhere to be
found.
Paul Mashatile’s attempt to amend the step aside resolution
should be an eye opener to you Mr President. Former Defence
Minister, very confused at lack of police in KZN, some food
for thought here Mr President.
Mr President, hasn’t my good old friend Minister Patricia
DeLille told you they wash your dirty linen in public. Wake up
and smell the coffee. Your washing is all over the show from
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Cape to Cairo and from Cairo to Beit bridge. Mr President,
this the end of your washing line.
Finally, Mr President allow me to put my hands over your eyes.
It’s a surprise, Mr President a big surprise. Your Palace are
falling apart. Happy New Year Mr President!
Ms J TSHABALA: Hon House Chairperson, hon Deputy President,
hon President, hon Chief Whip of the Majority Party and the
Deputy Chief Whip, Ministers, Deputy Ministers, Members of
Parliament and viewers at home, I greet you in the name of a
man that live tirelessly. A man that spends all his life
worrying about the nation. A man that gives free basic
education. A man that gives National Student Financial Aid
Scheme, NSFAS, for free so that the kids can study.
I greet you in the name of a man that ensures there is free
housing. A man that gives water, electricity to the indigent.
I greet you all in the name of a man that ensures that the
children go to school. They never hungry. They find feeding
scheme.
I greet you in the name of a man that ensures there is
uniform. I greet you in the name of a man that ensures no
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child ever sleeps hungry. I greet you in the name of a man
that ensures that there is Child Support Grant, there is Old
Age Grant, there is Indigenous Grant and there is R350 Grant.
I greet you in the name and I introduce you to that man. And
the name of the man is ...
Tshiven?a:
Vho Ma?amela fhondo dzhivha lua?amela na vhavhulayi. Ndi ri
mulalo kha u vhe na vhathu, ?ala dza vhathu, ndi ri ahe Vho
Ma?amela. Aa!
English:
Hon President, as I have greeted the nation ...
IsiXhosa:
... ndivumele ndikhahlele iNkosi yam uZwelivelile Mandela.
Ndithi ndiyakhahlela kuwe tata.
English:
I greet you also in the name of the former Mayor of
Johannesburg Geoffrey Makhubo, Jolidee Matongo and Mpho.
Moerana. I say may their souls rest in peace and rising.
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Now hon House Chair, as we prepare ourselves to accelerate or
rather celebrate the commemoration of the student uprising of
1976 on 16 June, I am incline to quote Tata Mdala Reginald
Tambo when he marks and said, and I quote: “The children of
any nation are its future. A country, a movement, a person
that does not value its youth and children does not deserve
its future”. Tactically genuinely leadership role as a freedom
fighter Barney Molokwane, Hector Peterson, “Tsietsi”
Mashinini, Dan Motsitsi, Collen Chabane, to name the few, Mama
Winifred Madikizela-Mandela that has ensured that they flare
their lives as a great resource that can assist us to
appreciate the democracy we enjoy today and equip us with the
hope that the current young generation will as the old
generation of 1976 to overcome hash conditions continue the
long term trend towards the full emancipation of people of
South Africa towards a programme that is called, non-racial,
non-sexist democratic united country. [Applause.]
I do not wish to deny that there are many challenges, Mr
President, that make our young people fill hopeless,
especially on the issue of unemployment. However, Mr
President, the Presidential Employment Stimulus, PES, and
Expanded Public Works Programmes in the Department of Public
Works has created more than 1 million job opportunities since
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the emergence of Civid-19 emergence and most of this job
opportunities were directed towards young people.
Mr President, your work is commendable and we would like to
urge you that such initiatives should be the day to day
function of the government and not be visible only during the
state of disaster.
Mr President, there is a greater potential to create job
opportunities for young people who stay on enterprises, for
instance, the SA Forestry Company SOC Limited, Safcol, has an
enterprise development programme which seeks to develop young
people and women on businesses for the forestry industry.
Moreover, there are opportunities for greater or small medium
micro enterprises within the United Nations Educational,
Science and Cultural Organisation, Unesco, mining, agriculture
value chains.
By such programmes opportunities are hard to realise because
Safcol and Alesco operating communities with the outstanding
land claim. Mr President, we employ you Mr President to attend
to these issues as a matter of urgency and we are confidence
that the Budget Vote will assist our government in its effort
to accelerate the collaboration between Commission on
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Restitution on Land Rights, the Department of Agriculture,
Land Reform and Rural Development and the Department of Public
Enterprises.
Now let me mention the opportunities that would have been
noted under this Budget Vote as we support this Budget Vote as
the ANC. There is a total learner pipeline of 2,715 Chinese
current cleaning the system registered in various programmes
across SOCs. Of this 1 121 are artisans’ trainees, 235 of
which are funded through the National Skills Fund as part of
the SOC programme of optimising their training facilities 623
are engineering trainees. A total of 387 students have been
supported with bursaries in the 2021-22 financial year. Over
and above this a total of 334 completions were recorded for
the financial year under review with 107 placements into
permanent positions.
Now Mr President, I want to quickly go to the issue of Denel.
We are seeing that is another strategic state-own company
which can contribute virtually to the government imperatives
including the creation much needed job opportunities and be
extremely profitable.
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What we are saying Mr President, can you ensure that you
resolve issues of salaries that people have not been paid as a
matter of urgency because we really need Denel. And Denel is
very important for the sovereignty of this country.
Mr President and hon House Chair, we often hear the opposition
parties arguing over margins that the President has
centralised power through Consultative Advisory Council such
as the Presidential SOE Council and the Inter-Ministerial Team
which supersede the mandates of the organised recognised
department aside from the fact that the mandate performance
agreement speaks for itself.
The Inter-Ministerial Task Team under the auspices of the
capable Deputy President Mabuza has developed the Active Eskom
Partnership Model to reduce the indebtedness of municipalities
to Eskom while ensuring that the lights of municipal residents
are kept on. The model has proved to be successful as Maluti-
a-Phofung Municipality. For example, has paid R54 million of
its Eskom debt in March 2022. And this was the first time as
ever well that the account was serviced.
Now under this DA administration in the City of Johannesburg
that switches off the lights of indigent communities even if
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there a policy the led the chief would have said the majority
party. They don’t really care about the poor. What they have
done was to ensure that they are switching off electricity
without even engaging communities
Hon President, one has spent sleepless night last night
because there was an incident in Soweto Tladi, Moletsane were
within nine months even in Orange Farm in Johannesburg in
Gauteng that for nine months’ people have been without
electricity.
Eskom went ahead and switched off at night and say they are
going to put prepaid metre without engaging with the
communities, not even going through the ward councillors and
as a result community goes to ward councillors houses and they
threatened their lives. They want to burn their homes.
I think it is high time that the Minister of Police should do
something to protect the lives of the councillors. They don’t
work for Eskom. Eskom is important for them. They must engage
the localities until such programme when they implement them,
Deputy President it becomes something that we have agreed on
when community is happy to do so. Know that our people don’t
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want to pay. They really want they pay what they can afford. I
will employ you to look into that. Thank you so much.
As I move on hon House Chair, the Presidential SOE Council
must be applauded for assisting with stabilising Eskom. Since
the easing of lockdown Eskom recovers which in turn enhance
and improve its operating cash flows. This is primarily the
reason why Eskom debt has declined from R484 billion to
R401 billion
More importantly, Eskom has invested R2,9 billion in social
infrastructure in Lephalale since the inception of Medupi
project and more than 20 000 people benefited in job
opportunities as well training entrepreneur development,
financial literacy, module employments skills courses, just to
name, but a few.
In addition, Eskom spent R106 million on education and
healthcare infrastructure in the same area through its
corporate social initiatives and at least 80 000 people
benefited. This empirical evidence just two things that Eskom
remains a critical SOE with a head count of more than 42 000
that it employs. That inclusive growth and development can be
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built on the foundation of enterprises that has the government
as the alternative shareholder.
So, you want to tell me the President is not doing anything,
come on. Mr President, load shedding remains an important
national challenge, not to be ignored or denied and the South
African citizens are unhappy about its detrimental effect on
the healthcare, literacy, food security, firm productivity and
so on. This is the reason why the President, please resolve
the load shedding. We support the Budget Vote. Long live the
President. [Applause.]
Mr B N HERRON: House Chair, a week ago when we were
considering our approach to the Presidency’s budget we wanted
to be addressing the issues that worried South Africans deeply
and to ask our President to lead our country to the prosperity
that we all desire and deserve. We would have liked to
challenge the President to lead a reprioritisation of our
country’s spending so that we could address the crises we can
no longer ignore.
We would have implored the President to accelerate the
implementation of a basic income grant and restructure our
fuel price because millions of South Africans are struggling
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for their basic survival or swimming or drowning in debt. Then
we learned about the breach in security at the President’s
farm in 2020, the loss of vast sums of cash, and the
questionable steps allegedly taken by the head of the
President’s security to manage the incident.
The questions that arise, in the absence of adequate answers
and speedy investigations, have enormous destructive power. We
repeat our call that we made two days ago for the President to
urgently take South Africans into his confidence with respect
to the cash that was stolen from the farm. By offering a
credible explanation for these events, the President would not
only defend his integrity but that of the country. At the same
time, a credible explanation would contribute to breaking the
toxic South African cycle of allegations of criminality being
weaponised by politicians instead of being swiftly
investigated by police and prosecutors so that they could be
dealt with in our constitutional democracy’s framework.
By choosing, instead to effectively invoke the so-called sub
judice rule, the President, unfortunately, fuels the narrative
that there is something to hide. Investigators and prosecutors
must do their work, for it is they who have the power to
prevent our country from spiralling from one round of endless
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allegations, accusations and manipulations at the expense of
the welfare of the majority of the people and this country. It
is disappointing that our debate is unavoidably diverted from
the business of the people. We have a long list of crises,
from poverty to crime, unemployment, inflation, natural
disasters such as what we recently saw, climate change and of
course Eskom.
We do not need another one. We need to be debating how we
achieve a just and prosperous South Africa based on spatial,
social, economic and environmental justice. And we implore the
authorities to act swiftly. South Africa deserves our
undivided attention. We must as the House also distinguish
between a reported crime or a reported allegation and a
criminal charge. It would be a great disservice to the people
of South Africa by referring to criminal charges. There are no
criminal charges. Charges are brought by the National
Prosecuting Authority and we must be clear that any one of us
can walk into a police station and make an allegation, that is
not a criminal charge. Thank you. [Applause.]
Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Hon House Chairperson, allow me to start by
saying what we are hearing today is not the reality on the
ground. Seventy per cent of the youth in this country are
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unemployed, and yet we say the children are the future of this
country. Thirty-five per cent of the people in this country
are unemployed, the true figure is around 42%. Seven million
people in this country go hungry to bed every day, so it
cannot be business as usual. Millions more are homeless many
more are landless including the Khoi and the San. Nelson
Mandela Bay is about to be waterless.
Forty-six per cent of people in this country get some form of
social assistance and we now talking about the basic income
grant. Is this sustainable? No. Your debt-to-GDP is going to
go up to R5,5 trillion in the medium term, and we say it is
all okay. Three hundred and fifty women are raped in this
country every day and we say it is okay. Thirty women are
murdered daily in this country, and we say it is okay. Twelve
children are murdered daily in this country, and we say it is
okay. Seventy-five people are murdered daily in this country,
and we say it is okay.
What are we doing about it? There is a budget cut for the
police but there is a budget increase for VIP protection
services, where is the logic behind this, where is it? I have
said time and time again in this House that the police cannot
solve the problem of crime in this country, it is a
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socioeconomic condition under which our people live. Now I
have noticed many of the members of the ANC are trying to
defend what happened on the farm of the President. The
President has not defended or denied that money has been
taken, he did not deny that some bribe might have been paid to
a housekeeper or maid. He did not deny that they might have
been interference.
There is a process that is unfolding. Let us not defend yet.
Let us allow the process and the President to do what he has
to do to respond to that because as the leader of this
country, the President is ought to do that, to give back
confidence to the people in this country, that is what we must
do. Mr President, one in two children starts school and does
not finish school in this country, Mr President. Sixty per
cent drop out in the first year of tertiary institutions and
TVET colleges, that is how bad it is. The education system
does not produce the skills we need in this country. More of
your billionaires today are living abroad not in the county,
that is a problem we are sitting with.
Mr President, I do not believe you are serious about
corruption and let me tell you why. Corruption at the local
level, Mr President, is rife. Day in and day out that is where
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the corruption is. I plead with you to deal with corruption at
all levels starting at local government and more importantly
the dysfunctional state of municipalities at loggerheads to
overthrow each other to take control of the municipalities
instead of delivering services to the people. Thank you very
much.
The MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY FOR WOMEN, YOUTH AND PERSONS
WITH DISABILITIES: Your Excellency, Mr President, Deputy
President, hon ministers, the Chief Whip of the Majority Party
and the deputy, “malibongwe” [praise] to all “bomaswarathipa
ka bogaleng” [those who would go to any length in protecting
their children]. We are here today to say we are being led.
Sepedi:
Gape re swanetše re laolege gomme re bušege. Bomaswarathipa ka
bogaleng, basadi ba Afrika-Borwa, le se ke la fela maatla. Le
se ke la ya le ditaola badimong. Rutang bana ba lena mekgwa ye
mebotse. Bana ba rena a ba godišwe ...
English:
... in a society that says boys and girls are important.
Sepedi:
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Bana ba godišwa ke mma le papa.
English:
I got a shock of my life when my kids agreed that I must go
and do my masters in International Relations after 20 years. I
will never forget the tutor who took me along who said, “you
know Maite, you are the first generation of parents post-
apartheid who grew up in the villages who had a father and a
mother who woke up and slept with their children. This is
because they would be working somewhere far away and only came
back home during Christmas time. It was such a wakeup call for
me that this was so true. Twenty-eight years is not a very
long period in the life of a nation that went through so much
pain like we did. So, Mr President and Deputy President, you
are leading a nation that needs to be rebuilt so that 28 years
in a lifetime of a nation doesn’t mean we have solved all the
problems.
But if we come here and debate irrelevant ... I say irrelevant
because indeed that which we focused on today is not what is
central. What is central is the following: The Minister of
Police said after every 3 hours a girl-child or a woman is
killed. This afternoon at lunchtime, Mr President, I saw young
girls smoking. I saw smoke that was more than the face I saw.
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This was something called vapor whatever. These are the
children we are raising. We are not talking about those things
here. If this House – the DA, ANC and all of us - can remember
that we did not come here to serve ourselves but to focus on
building this young and fractious nation ... A country in
which the richest and the poorest and the gap thereof ... We
are number one.
Every three hours a woman and a girl-child dies from ... Many
of them are not killed by strangers. They are killed by people
who are supposed to love and protect them. Yesterday we were
answering questions as to where the gender-based violence
counsel is. The gender-based violence counsel is still being
discussed with Nedlac because that is a process we have to
take before it comes to Parliament. It is coming to
Parliament, and it will come soon. If we had our way, it would
come before the end of this month. We are getting a lot of
support from the Committee on the Elimination of
Discrimination Against Women, Cedaw, the European Union, the
African Union, and all other countries. They believe in what
South Africa says. SADC would not get together and not want to
know what is South Africa’s opinion on these matters. As we
discuss what happens post the gender-based violence counsel
launch and making sure that we thank the President with action
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on the three laws that he has signed in action, we should be
saying what we will be doing beyond that. We should go back
and build families; real families. Not the ones ...
Sepedi:
... tša bopapa ba go boya makgoweng ka morago ga dikgwedi tše
lesome-pedi.
English:
We have an opportunity now to build the real families that are
South African and that we would be very proud of. We should
reduce the poverty gap between the richest and the poorest
because poverty always bears a feminine face. It was not a
mistake, Mr President. It was your thoughtfulness to say that
all the vulnerable people or groups should be centered around
women, young people and people with disabilities so that we do
not go all over the place and instead focus our attention on
one place.
However, we need to remember that South Africa ... I would be
ashamed if I could just come here and focus on the farm of the
President and not focus on what I do as an hon member to
rebuild this country that needs me. We didn’t come here to
discuss politics. We came here to rebuild the country, and we
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need all of us and all our thoughts together to rebuild a
South Africa that Ms Charlotte (née Mannya) Maxeke and Madiba
fought for and said to ...
Sepedi:
... bomaswarathipa ka bogaleng [those who would go to any
length in protecting their children], ...
English:
... it always seems impossible until it is done.
We are busy working on the district development model as the
Department of Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities with
multisectoral support response teams supported by civil
society organisations so that every municipality has response
teams that work with districts, local municipalities and
provinces to stop teenage pregnancies. You don’t want to know
how many children between the ages of 9 and 14 fall pregnant
from grandfathers and everybody. So, you people on my left, if
we could stop calling each other names, we could build a
beautiful nation together and make sure that indeed this
redevelopment model responds to a nation we want to be proud
of.
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Last night or two nights ago when I landed here, I landed with
a man from DRC; I won’t tell you his name. I asked him where
he comes from. He said he comes from the DRC. I asked him
where in the DRC. I saw his eyes going ... This is because I
wanted to tell him that I was born in a village and that I
spent 20 years of my life going around the world. I know there
is no place like home. This South Africa is going to be a
beautiful country in years to come if we all work together and
stop calling each other names outside this. [Applause.] So,
there is no one who can stand up here and say to me, Minister
Lindiwe Zulu and Minister Pandor that somewhere is beautiful.
I asked this man: “Do you come from Kinshasa? Do you know
Kivu?” He said no. I said, “oh, what a beautiful place”. I
told him that one day when he returns to the DRC he must go to
Kivu and see how beautiful it is as he flies. He asked if
there was a flight. I said, “yes, fly in and see how beautiful
it is, and that you don’t know it’s beautiful”.
The support we are getting to respond to the national
strategic plan, NSP, on gender-based violence which we use in
the district development, DDM, models ... We are using
technical monitors and data capturers as a pilot in the three
provinces of KwaZulu-Natal, Eastern Cape and Gauteng. We hope
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that before we go into the next summit, we would have had an
opportunity to see how this works through the NSP.
Many people ask us how we got to this. President, thank you so
much for the inter-ministerial committee, IMC, that you
formed, which I have the honor of chairing. We have the
Minister of Police and the officials; we have the Minister of
Social Development; we have the Minister of Women, Youth and
Persons with Disabilities; and we have the Public Serve in
that. We have all five critical ministries working together
and working through our officials to reach out to our
districts and to our communities. Please join in and let’s
build a new South Africa that we said we want so that when
Nedlac is done with the consultation, we come back here to
Parliament and say this is what we want to achieve. We have
reached out to the taxi industry.
We are working with Santaco to train their drivers to respect
women. Can women not only be the problem of the Ministry of
Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities and Police? Can
women feel safe and walk safely day and night because they are
raised in societies that care - you and me? Let’s go and raise
those kids the way we want them to be raised and not the other
way round where we will be coming here bringing newspaper
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clippings. We don’t live on newspaper clippings. We live on
the reality of building a new South Africa that says “it’s
never done until it’s done”. One day we will get there.
We are not a department that should only be looking at how
women and girl-children should not be killed after every three
hours. However, we also want to thank you Mr President and
Deputy President on the Women Economic Assembly, Wecona - the
participation of women in business. We are inviting the
private sector and saying that the women were not necessarily
all there when we had the first round of Wecona in October
2021. In the next Wecona we are saying let’s bring women.
Let’s engage women and make them part of rebuilding and
renewal. Let’s not leave anyone behind. Come October 2022,
they should all be there, and we should all be working
together. We must move from policy documents to action. We
must all get our hands dirty. There are too many summits, and
there is too little work. So, let’s get our hands dirty and
build our own country that people visit and say, “wow, what a
country”. They actually hear from us. They actually tell us
that they hear from us how bad South Africa is, but that when
they arrive here they don’t see this bad South Africa. You and
I have the responsibility to make South Africa look good
because 20 years ago I would come back home and feel like I
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wanted to kiss the ground and that I was back home. This is
South Africa. It’s not like any other country.
This budget vote speech that you presented this morning,
President and Deputy President, through the South African
National Aids Council, Sanac, and all, is to be supported
because we want that when we go to the next summit of gender-
based violence and femicide, we should have implemented and
engaged all the sectors of our society to come together and
work with us and make sure that we build leaving no one
behind.
Resilience in the June month is what we are working for. Our
youth needs to be looking for jobs and creating jobs for
themselves because we will work with them.
I thank you. [Interjections.] [Applause.] [Time expired.]
Mr S M JAFTA: Chair, this Budget Vote has been the most
testing budget to respond to. The budget itself must be
understood against the pretext of the obligations imposed on
the Head of State, of government and of national executive.
The President is the loader of service delivery. He must check
his Cabinet. He has the duty to ensure that the National
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Development Plan, NDP and other governmental plans are
implemented. That means that the buck stops with him.
We note in this regard that the Investment Summit, the Youth
Environmental Services, YES project, the social compact touted
by the President, the implementation of the District
Development Plan, the capacitation of the National Prosecution
Authority, NPA and SA Revenue Service, Sars and a host of
other achievements, conjures up the leadership strides of the
President.
We also wish to touch on the thorny issue doing rounds in the
public domain about allegations of indiscretion against the
President. What we know is that the President, upon returning
home from a visit abroad, was advised on the matter. The route
that the President preferred in not reporting the crime, may
or may not have been informed by concerns of national security
and state intelligence.
We also know that what could have led the matter not being
reported to the police is the fact that the President was to
address the nation just after the incident. Had this matter
been brought up to the public or reported to the police
service before or even after the President had delivered his
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state of the nation address, there could have been fear of
potential risk to the President’s security and or his
surroundings. We don’t know. We can’t speculate. What we know
is that the relevant legislation alleged to have been violated
by the President in him not reporting the alleged crime, does
not prescribe the timeframe according to which a crime may be
reported.
Now that the horse has bolted, the President must open a case
of theft, as his security is already compromised and the
matter is, in any event, in the public domain. Until this
matter has been processed by the relevant authorities, and the
President is found to be on the wrong side of the law, we will
not un-oppose this budget. I thank you.
Ms J HERMANS: Mr President, Deputy President, Ministers,
Deputy Ministers, everyone in the House, fellow South
Africans, good evening. South Africa remains one of the most
unequal countries in the world by race, class and gender.
Centuries of colonialism and decades of apartheid bequeathed
to generations of South Africans’ inequality that manifests
itself in shockingly stark differences in household incomes,
unequal asset ownership, including both concentrated business
ownership and household resources, inequitable access to
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quality education, which still largely is reflected by family
wealth and race; and uneven quality of municipal
infrastructure.
The roots and problematic systemic features of our productive
economy that continue to reproduce the crisis levels of
unemployment poverty and inequality have its basis in
industrial capitalism which was an externally imposed process
by the imperialist West. In 1994 South Africa was a highly
concentrated economy. At that time the largest five
conglomerates controlled entities accounting for 84% of the
capitalization of the stock exchange. Although shifts have
been registered since then, our economy remains highly
concentrated.
These are systemic features that are rooted in our legacy of
what the ANC has characterized as colonialism of a special
type. They are mutually reinforcing and have locked our
society in a persisting and problematic path because they are
systemic. Any attempt to transform the high levels of
concentration without simultaneously addressing the others is
likely to end up in frustration and failure. The structural
transformation of the economy is therefore essential to change
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the systemic features that reproduce the persistent
challenges.
In order to achieve this, the ANC government is determined to
reindustrialize our economy so that we move up the global
productive value chain. This in turn needs to be supported by
massive infrastructure development and the transformation of
the education and training system amongst others to align with
and support our development and productive economic
objectives.
The work of the ANC government on spearheading transformation
seeks to create opportunities for all South Africans. This
involves de-concentrating our economy, and opening up
exclusive product and service markets to participation by all.
It is about our enduring commitment to support the black
industrialists and workers who were previously denied access
to the opportunities for economic ownership and participation.
Furthermore, it is about ensuring that the spatial strategy
that informs how we build and support the new model of Special
Economic Zones and Industrial Parks in secondary towns and
rural areas is informed by the principle of expanding
industrial activity beyond its concentration in the urban
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metropolitan areas. Transformation is about building an
economy that works where our people live, bringing development
to rural provinces and districts. The revised approach to
Spatial Industrial Policy, informed by the District
Development Model, will see government supporting projects
that create jobs, infrastructure and innovation in districts
across the country.
The Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan first announced
by the President in October 2020, identifies aggressive
infrastructure and industrialization as being at the centre of
our inclusive growth and transformation agenda. To achieve
this, the ANC-led government has completed and signed master
plans with partners in strategic sectors of our economy that
will ensure that we achieve the necessary structural
transformation for our economy with agro-processing,
localization, and state procurement being the key points that
will leverage the drive for local manufacturing jobs.
The retail- clothing textile footwear leather master plan for
instance, projects to grow employment to 330 000 jobs, and
increase local retail sales to about R250 million, expand
local procurement from 45% to 65%, while improving skills,
technology and competitiveness in the process by 2030. We
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believe that higher levels of local procurement can boost jobs
and production.
As the ANC, we commend the work of the Department of Trade,
Industry and Competition in engaging retailers to raise the
levels of local purchasing and the speed of reaching
localization targets as set out in the master plans. This
includes engaging international retailers on establishing
local sourcing. This is already being done in the Volkswagen
plant in Kariega in the Eastern Cape, which is producing the
one-millionth Polo vehicles to export. A new food factory in
Kerry Ingredients in KwaZulu-Natal has been launched.
Corobrick opened its production facility and a new Black
Industrialist Export Network was launched. The Industrial
Development Corporation, IDC will also be launching the pilot
Township Economy Programme to improve access to finance and
de-risk Small, Medium and Micro Enterprises, SMMEs through
business support measures.
Later in the year, the Tshwane SEZ, aims to complete 11
Automotive component plants in support of Ford’s R16 billion
investment, employing about 2 000 workers in the new zone. SA
Steel Mills aims to complete its production plant announced at
the Investment Conference. The sustained growth of South
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Africa is interlinked to the growth of the African continent.
The African Continental Free Trade Area, AfCFTA presents an
opportunity to expand Intra African trade, and industrialize
the continent which will ease trade and investment flows and
shift the composition and direction of foreign direct
investment flows throughout the African continent. Moreover,
it will increase market efficiency and reducing the cost of
doing business by offering opportunities for economies of
scale.
The support for SMMEs in a developing economy like ours cannot
be over-emphasized. It is concerning that about 40% of our
SMMEs do not make it past the first year of existence. We need
to create a conducive environment for SMMEs to be sustainable.
It is therefore imperative that the Department of Small
Business Development forges ahead with the implementation of
the SMMEs and Co-operatives Funding Policy which will ensure
the improvement of access to affordable finance for SMMEs and
Co-operatives. Further, it must accelerate the implementation
of Township and Rural Entrepreneurship Programme, which is a
dedicated programme to provide financial and non-financial
support to the township and rural enterprises.
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The interventions of the ANC government are putting our
economy on a new growth trajectory through the support
provided to SMMEs in an effort to reindustrialize our economy
working with private-public partnerships. This is essential
for economic transformation, and we believe government is on
the right path on this. We call upon progressive organisations
and individuals to support the efforts of the government to
transform our economy and society for the betterment of the
lives of all South Africans. I thank you. [Applause.]
The DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY (Ms P S Kekana): Hon
House Chair, His Excellency the President, Matamela Cyril
Ramaphosa, Deputy President, David Mabuza, hon Ministers and
Deputy Ministers, hon members of this House and fellow South
Africans ... [Interjections.] ... my hon Chief Whip, thank
you for reminding me, South Africa reimagined as a prosperous,
happy and equality-centric nation is the goal for the three
spheres of government and its entities.
This requires a resolute focus on ensuring a capable, ethical,
and developmental state. We implement the electoral mandate of
the National Development Plan Vision 2030 through the
country's blueprint for the inclusive Economic Reconstruction
and Recovery Plan, ERRP and the Medium-Term Strategic
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framework, MTSF. We are single-minded in unravelling the
deeply entrenched and heavily embedded aspects of corruption
and mismanagement that plague the state. It will not happen
overnight, unfortunately, but it is happening. And if there is
doubt just this week's events served to clarify our
intentions. The Presidency is not making promises for the sake
of, we are here to account for what has already been achieved.
And I want to emphasise our resolute focus, South Africans,
and this House can expect more in the immediate future. In
aligning today's debate, we are drawing on the seven
priorities of the MTSF and the two critical cross-cutting
focus areas, namely women, youth, and persons with
disabilities and the Economic Reconstruction and Recovery
Plan. We are aggressively implementing the MTSF towards the
2024 deadline because, in its last review, the National
Planning Commission advised the implementation of the NDP will
need the country to drastically change course in the remaining
period if we are to meet the 2030 goals.
I am sure you will agree that our first non-negotiable in
unrevealing the embeddedness of corruption and mismanagement
is for the Presidency, through the Department of Planning,
Monitoring and Evaluation, to publicly share progress on its
monitoring and evaluation findings. In addition, all
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implementation of the government's agenda is done
transparently through the Biennial Reporting System that is
presented to the Cabinet. And these building blocks have
already rendered some big wins. And let me give you one
example to illustrate its impact. In a tight monitoring and
evaluation process, it was discovered that a national policy
on homelessness does not exist nor is there a department
responsible for it. Yet homelessness is a critical focal point
since COVID-19. So homelessness is now a performance measure
in the Biennial Reporting System and its policy implementation
will be transparently tracked and monitored biannually. We are
inviting you to ask us for a progress report in a few months
because no matter how difficult it is to reduce homelessness
through a complex integration of all spheres of government
because it is now measured, it is managed. Institutionalising
planning, monitoring and evaluation relies heavily on
citizenry responsiveness, especially with regard to the
challenges. Our integrated system approach is outcome-based
and uses lessons and gaps to strengthen the policy and
implementation interface. Of course, we are not afraid of
getting negative feedback and neither are we afraid of taking
difficult issues.
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With that, let us unpack the Presidency, through the
Department of Planning, Monitoring and Evaluation’s work on
some of our country's most critical but stagnant issues. Let
us start with basic education, the Department of Planning,
Monitoring and Evaluation is statistically researching the
total impact of COVID-19 on education through qualitative
interactions with schools and TVET colleges. Reasons for
schools’ vandalism emerged as an unexpected outcome and are
being addressed by the Department of Basic Education as we
speak.
Another learning has been tabulated, and we will be providing
the Department of Basic Education with a framework, is for
community partnership in protecting education as an
investment. You will be happy to know that we are tracking and
performance managing the progress of replacing inappropriate
sanitation in schools under the Sanitation Appropriate for
Education initiative. It was a nonmover but we have partnered
with some offices of the premiers to intervene speedily on the
ground where challenges exist and institutionalising
monitoring and evaluation in partnerships with offices of the
premiers has created the necessary shift on this programme.
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As we approach the National Health Insurance, NHI, we are
critically monitoring health care delivery in the country. As
an example, the Presidency, through the Department of
Planning, Monitoring and Evaluation’s assessment of primary
health care facilities in the North West province revealed an
inadequate availability of medicine which originally resulted
from insufficient budgeting for the purchase of drugs and
pharmaceutical products. And in collaboration with the North
West Department of Health, the national Department of Health
and the National Treasury, this challenge is resolved. The
President announced in the state of the nation address 2022
that much progress is being made in preparing for the
introduction of the NHI.
In delivering on this Sona commitment, the Presidency, through
the Department of Planning, Monitoring and Evaluation, is
conducting monitoring visits to assess the delivery of health
care services nationally. And we have already completed the
assessment for five provinces since Sona 2022, a mere 118 days
ago. Another critical but stagnant issue that we are tackling
is agriculture and land reform. We assessed two Farmer
Production Support Units for provinces in all the nine
provinces, evaluating operational and governance efficiencies,
and it emerged that some are not optimally efficient in both
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governance and operations. We also worked with the Limpopo and
KwaZulu-Natal provinces to address the long outstanding land
reform projects, including the Bakone, KwaMkhwanazi and Inanda
communities, to name a few.
Our integrated approach strategy continued in joint frontline
monitoring visits with other Deputy Ministers in the Free
State, Limpopo and North West provinces so far. On
government's performance in the health, education and justice
sectors, with a special focus on South Africa's shadow
pandemic, gender-based violence and femicide. We assessed the
following; access and provision of services to gender-based
violence survivors and key departments’ responses such as the
SAPS, the National Prosecuting Authority, the Department of
Justice and Constitutional Development, the Department of
Health and the Department of Social Development spheres. The
implementation and roll-out of the National Vaccination
Programme and also evaluation of the reopening of schools
after COVID-19. the government works within the communities
and accounts to our people using the District Development
Model, and this approach removes silos and revealed service
delivery challenges immediately, but also ensures co-ordinated
outcomes and the required improvements.
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The monitoring and evaluation of the Bus Rapid Transport, BRT,
system took a long time to complete because we needed to
ensure that the results were indisputable. And to this end, we
are concerned about the lack of progress in the BRT in
Rustenburg where there are no buses on the road after an
expenditure of R3,3 billion. The Presidency’s director-general
is working with the national Department of Transport and the
municipality to ensure that we get those buses on the road
now. Thank you very much. [Applause.]
Mr W M MADISHA: Hon Chair, hello, what happened in this House
when the sitting began was extremely unfortunate. It, however,
must be understood that it is a consequence of many government
failures over the past 28 years. All the purported successes
you have cited in your presentation, Mr President, are in fact
not true. You said the economy is showing positive signs of
improvement. You said it is your priority to improve the lives
of all South Africans. You said people must come first. You
promised better basic services. All these are what you have
presented over the five years of your Presidency but in fact I
must emphasise the opposite has been the case.
That is why today as we stand here, seven out of every 10
people are not employed. Here we talk of millions of people.
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Poverty, the absence of water, food and toilets, keeps on
growing daily. Theft and corruption by those who are called
ANC deployees are true and growing, sir. In respect of the
latter, permit me to repeat what I have raised with you many
times, five times actually, in a Parliament here as we spoke,
this I repeat because instead of seeing any improvement from
you, the opposite is the case. I have requested that you
should, Mr President, reduce the crowd of Ministers and Deputy
Ministers because they just feel up the stadium, take home
millions of money, get given many expensive cars and houses,
tens and tens of bodyguards. That is the money they get and
that money should create jobs and improve the lives of South
Africans. There are of course conscientious Ministers, and
they are few I must say and this I want to believe that you
know, Mr President. Now, on the Zondo Commission and your
house, Cope says, people who must investigate and implement
the results must be independent. The Zondo Commission,
although we are still waiting for the fourth report, cites
many leaders of your party as the main persons who stole and
even killed other human beings.
On the matter of money that disappeared on your farm, again,
as the President, ensure that independent persons are given
space to do the investigations, not the SAPS, not the
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intelligence department because there cannot be any true or
empirical evidence. Therefore, what needs to be done, Mr
President is you to find proper people because you are the
Commander-in-Chief, and as the Commander-in-Chief, these
people from the SAPS, the people from intelligence will simply
listen to you and your name shall never be cleared. Thank you
very much.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): I remember the
Deputy Speaker saying something to Mr Madisha.
[Interjections.] I was just saying I remember the Deputy
Speaker saying something to Mr Madisha wanting to find out ...
the state but thank you very much, Mr Madisha. Thank you very
much. Thank you. You have exceeded your time by 40 seconds.
Hon Minister?
The MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY: Hon Chair, I have a point of
order. I thought maybe, hon Madisha, must be too lonely to
think that we have been here alone for five years. He is
alone. He needs to be assisted.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): Thank you, hon
Gungubele, that is not a point of order.
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The DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY (Ms R T Siweya): Thank
you, House Chair ... [Inaudible.] ... speaking in this case
it is yourself, House Chair; His Excellency, President of the
Republic of South Africa, Mr Cyril Matamela Ramaphosa; His
Excellency, the Deputy President, David Mabuza; Ministers and
Deputy Ministers; hon members of the House; members of the
media and fellow South Africans. Just so we start, we support
this Budget Vote 1.
If I can go into the content, you know that it becomes
worrying all of us and we know that ants in their own nature
they are very resilient. It becomes worrying when you find
ants which use the same tactic to want to reach a particular
goal. If you have ants in your house, if you want to deal with
them, it is not easy, it will take you some time. Now, when
you come to this House and you find ants, it becomes easy to
address them. You start to ask yourself what kind of ants are
these ones? And we only hope that our electorates are
watching. Maybe the ants that we have in this House have ran
out of plans, or they don’t know what to do or they do not
want to work and they opt to always create an excuse to walk
away, while the electorate is expecting them to come and do
what they voted for them to do.
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We truly hope South Africans will not buy their ...
[Inaudible.] ... That as it may be, we are going to continue
to do what our people who have placed us here expect us to do.
That also, President, must not deter you. You must continue to
do your work. You have the support of this House and South
Africans are behind you. What we are happy about is that you
have not said you do not want to come and explain yourself.
Our history has taught us that since time in memorial, young
people have always risen in the most difficult periods and
fostered solutions to keep their vision for a nonsexist,
nonracial and a prosperous South Africa. At least they have
done so that we can be alive.
The generation of Anton Lembede, Nelson Mandela and Oliver
Tambo injected the much needed energy and dynamism in the
struggle for liberation. This month we honor the youth of
1976, for gallantly confronting the previous regime and demand
the abolition of Africans as a medium of instruction and
provision of quality education for the marginalised. In recent
times, young people sort to address the challenges faced by
students as they pursue higher education and pushed for free
education. In various sectors of our society we are seeing a
number of capable young people rising as trail blazers. We are
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inspired by these young people, their energy and we want to
see it replicate in corners of our country.
Young people cannot afford to rest and loose hope. The youth
must seize the moment to immense themselves in stabilising our
country amidst the COVID-19 pandemic. They should design
innovative ideas that will help drive the much needed economic
growth and must participate in the overall developmental
objectives to reduce poverty, unemployment and inequality.
COVID-19, has dealt a severe blow in our economy. Many
people’s lives and livelihoods have been affected. The floods
and in some instances drought, have worsened the situation.
The full participation of women in the economy continues to be
compromised by the escalating levels of gender-based violence
and femicide. Some of our youth are deprived of the
opportunity to participate in the economic activities of the
country because of substance abuse and alcohol. This youth
month must serve as a period of awakening for young people in
our country the hour of the youth. The hour of youth activism
and participation in addressing these challenges is now.
Government remains determined to change the trajectory and
provide hope for all South Africans especially to the youth
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who are hardest hit by these challenges. Speaker, today the
President has once again thoroughly and clearly outlined
government strategy towards the recovery and reconstruction
progress. We can see the many efforts that are being
implemented in government and the private sector to give
impetus to our quest for economic growth and job creation to
overcome the COVID-19 pandemic, to deal with gender-based
violence and femicide, and to confront corruption in all its
manifestations. The signs of stabilisation and recovery are
beginning to show. Our country registered a slight drop in
unemployment from 35,3% in the fourth quarter of 2021 to 34,5%
in the first quarter of 2022.
It is also encouraging that for the second quarter in a row
the expanded unemployment rate has declined. Data from
Statistics SA shows that an estimated 370 000 jobs were gained
between the fourth quarter of 2021 and the first quarter of
2022. The biggest job gains were recorded in community and
social services and also manufacturing and trade. The
Presidential Employment Stimulus programmes continues to play
a crucial role in supporting the implementation of the of the
country’s Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan. Since its
launch in October 2020, the first two phases of the
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Presidential Employment Stimulus programmes has supported over
850 000 communities.
Over 300 000 of these opportunities come from placing young
people as assistants in schools across the country through
their basic education employment initiative. The employment
stimulus ... [Interjections.] ... is supporting the
implementation of the Presidential Youth Employment Initiative
which aims to provide support and expand opportunities for
young people who are unemployed. while only moderate this game
shows that our economy remains robust and that intervention
such as the Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan and
Operation Vulindlela are working.
We encourage young people to hid the call by brand South
Africa to play a part in the development of the country and
promotion of the national brand. Brand South Africa has
initiated a number of programs to market the country and
contribute in attracting investment for our economic growth.
Speaker, - I am sorry about that - you will also notice that
through the Media Development and Diversity Agency, MDDA, we
have been able in the previous financial year to fund a number
of various projects and we are continuing to commit to this
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House but in this current financial year we are going to be
finding more than 30 community projects across the province.
This has shown us that indeed, when we empower our community
media sector we are building a conscious citizenship,
responsible citizens who are empowering and building
communities which will have information at their hands so that
they can work towards building themselves. We should do this
with the highest speed which we have. As we conclude, we want
to encourage young people to use these opportunities to
participate in the economy, use new innovative ideas assist
government in the edge of empowering themselves so that they
can respond in the call to assist in building the much needed
jobs so that we can have a better South Africa.
Xitsonga:
Inkomu.
IsiXhosa:
Mnu M NYHONTSO: Sihlalo nawe Mongameli, uSobukwe uthi ...
English:
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... a true leadership demands complete subjugation of self,
honesty, integrity, abruptness of character, courage,
fearlessness and above all a consuming love for one’s people.
IsiXhosa:
Ukuba bendishumayela ke Mongameli bendiza kuthi masihlale
kulaa ndawo ithi ...
English:
... a consuming love for our people. While we are discussing
...
IsiXhosa:
... iimali eziphantsi kweebhedi nasemiqalweni ...
English:
... our people are dying of hunger. Our people are landless,
our people are still in jail and they do not have shelter on
top of their heads. Our veterans are dying and Comrade Deputy
President, every weekend, we are burying a veteran and all of
them we bury them as paupers. Even the coming weekend we will
burying a veteran in Cala and the veterans are denied. It is
very difficult Major General Masualle to confirm PAC veterans
because he was never a PAC and he is denying them all. Above
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all Mama Mayosi, a PAC cadre who even gave birth in prison has
just been denied. Tata Feni a PAC cadre who spent 12 years on
Robben Island has been denied. I am just giving you two
examples Comrade Deputy President but the list is endless.
Our roads are a shame. The Eastern Cape MEC ...
IsiXhosa:
... ugrumbe indlela phaya phakathi kweGcuwa nakuCentane.
Ndiyaqala ukuyibona mna indlela yetha ijikwa ibe yindlela
yomhlaba. Kunzima ke phaya iimoto ziyatshayisana kuba indlela
ilinyiwe ...
English:
... and the contractor has since left the scene. It is a
shame ...
IsiXhosa:
... into eyenzeka eMpuma Koloni kwaye Mongameli sisengxakini
kuba ukuhanjiswa kweenkonzo akwenzeki kwiindawo esihlala kuzo,
ezilalini.
English:
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Where is the consuming love for our people? Azania deserves
better. Thank you.
Mr M G E HENDRICKS: Hon House chairperson, I agree with
Minister Lamola that to serve as President and Deputy
President one must not be a pensioner. To support him Al Jama-
ah has organised 6 June 16th events to bring real freedom for
the youth and that is to become President and Deputy President
without having to be pensioners. The first one we threw our
weight behind the Ugu District with 200 learners, the next one
is in Paarl. Does the Freedom Party Plus hate the PAC because
the Afrikaans Taal Museum says nothing about Poqo of Paarl? We
do not hate Afrikaans. Afrikaans is a Malayu language captured
by the whites. The third youth programme is in Groutville to
honour Chief Albert Luthuli.
Youth are being taught to manufacture peanut butter. Peanut
butter grows on the banks of the Umvubi River, and the Luthuli
family has given extra land. Albert Luthuli peanut butter is
going to hit the market. We also have sports tournaments in
BushbuckRidge, Mtubatuba marking the Netball World Cup in
July, but no support from the Minister of Sport so far.
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I am glad the Deputy President informed us that the Presidency
is monitoring municipalities. Is the Presidency aware that the
corrupt ANC cabal has gone against the ANC mayor who wants to
get rid of the municipal manager in Harding in KwaZulu-Natal
because of his corruption? Harding is also in the Ugu District
Municipality. Al Jama-ah’s Deputy Mayor Sheikh Saeed supported
this progressive mayor, a leader in the ANC revival movement
and guess what? They removed our Deputy Mayor and the DA
Speaker despite not having the numbers.
The DA must be surprised that Al Jama-ah acknowledges clean
governance by their Speaker. The Al Jama-ah deputy mayor was
removed despite an order by Jeff Radebe and premier of
KwaZulu-Natal not to touch the Al Jama-ah Deputy Mayor. In
Harding ANC rogue units are fighting the ANC revival movement
with the complicity of the KwaZulu-Natal MEC.
Deputy President do not tell us you are monitoring
municipalities, and this happens. If you cannot be on top of
the municipalities, how can you be on top of matters in the
whole country? It looks like you do not support the revival
taking place in the ANC otherwise you will not have allowed
your own revival Mayor to be undermined by corrupt ANC
councillors in Harding.
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Al Jama-ah looks forward to a Presidential Imbizo on the Cape
Flats so His Excellency can understand the oppression, poverty
and inequality residents suffer often worse than what they
suffered during the harshest days of apartheid. All government
departments must unleash government programmes so that the
Cape Flats can taste freedom.
Also Deputy President, please take a keen interest to the
kidnapping of Shireen Essop and the firing of the principal of
Wesley Neumann of Heathfield High School. The learners say it
is these Principals that they wish for. President, can you
sleep at night when women are out in captivity. We need a
Presidential Order that the Defence Force ... [Time expired.]
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF HIGHER EDUCATION, SCIENCE AND
INNOVATION: House Chairperson, hon President, Deputy
President, “I come to bury Caesar and not to praise him” and
these are the words that we had throughout the day from the
tongues that came to spit vice from the side of the
opposition. These words were not borrowed with the same
intention that bellowed from the chest of Shakespeare’s Mark
Anthony, whose friend’s motionless body was lying in front of
the Capitol. They were uttered with malice as the real debate
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this House was supposed to have, about the real concerns and
worries of our people, took a backbench.
Budget Vote 1 has ostensibly, hon President, become a trial of
yourself and reminded me of the words of the American play
wright Shellen Lubin’s prosaic prophesy that:
This is the week, the primetime hearings on insurrection
and sedition, our last chance to make known and believed
the ugly truth of our last President, the nefarious
doings of his cohorts, the insanity we all witnessed and
went through, the coup we just barely avoided. It’s now
or never. The jury is out, the jury of public opinion.
The jury is us.”
The jury is sitting this side of the House. Yes, it was Arthur
Fraser, hon President, who went to a police to report various
complaints against yourself. But in a normal cause and
sequence of jurisprudence, the police are supposed to
investigate the case and satisfy themselves that a prosecution
is possible, and the letter of the law be followed.
But this afternoon, we have witnessed members of this
legislature, sworn to protect and uphold the Constitution of
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the country, tear it apart and assume the role of police,
prosecutor and judge, ... [Applause.] all but to satisfy their
lust for power, higher office and vengeance. All that we’ve
heard this afternoon, are some opposition parties hellbent to
completely ignore what this Budget Vote debate is about: How
this Presidency will use the allocated resources to ensure
that we meet the needs, interest and aspirations of the
people?
Doubt has been created through the court of public opinion
that irrespective of every right inked and guaranteed by our
Constitution and this Parliament, it is members of this very
House who are willing to woo the people and bay for the blood
of the President. The court of public opinion, hon President,
has been mobilised to hammer the untruth that your intention
is all but evasiveness. That your mission is to poison the
chalice of truth with fabrications that will but help you
zigzag your way out of jail, even when you have committed
yourself to co-operate with law enforcement authorities and
laid bare your affairs for the public to scrutinise.
The events of today, hon House Chair, reminded me of the words
of Euripides, who warned against men with honeyed tongues and
evil minds, whose intentions is not to advance the will of the
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people, but to undermine it and in that way bring to the knees
its very foundation which in this case our constitutional
democracy. We should never ever be bullied by these noises
that we’ve heard in this House. We should never succumb to
those who have robbed our public judicial system of its role
of administering justice.
We’ve heard many here shouts that the President should step
down because of the allegations that have been leveled against
him, and I’m yet to hear even from the EFF or any of the other
political parties, any of their members who’s had allegations
against them being asked to step aside. But there is the real
reason why the Opposition wants to use every opportunity here
in Parliament as a platform for a motion of no confidence in
the President.
They don’t want us to tell South Africans that this
Presidency, and this government, were lauded internationally
as having handled, for instance, the COVID-19 pandemic much
better than many others amongst its peers. [Applause.] Not
only have we witnessed the vaccination of many adults, 40% in
the overall, but we have also built capabilities to produce
our own vaccines beyond dealing with COVID-19.
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We have seen through your leadership and in the Presidency the
creation of a solidarity fund, which mobilised R3,4 billion
from 300 000 South Africans and close to 3000 companies, with
400 people being committed to do volunteer work with
solidarity fund; and the solidarity fund having supported our
national health response with the vaccination of the national
health workers and also the provision of the personal
protection equipment. [Applause.] These are facts, these are
numbers which shows that there is action that is being taken.
Also the trust between the people and its government under
COVID-19 lockdown drastically increased because at every step
of the way, ... [Interjections.] the people were taken along,
lives were saved and as far as practically possible
livelihoods and incomes were spared. Health institutions were
responsive and public awareness was strengthened. The World
Health Organisation, together with many other continental and
global institutions lauded ours as a model to be followed.
The gradual nature within which academic institutions,
factories, government services and other social institutions
were reopened helped us mitigate against a potentially
astronomical loss of lives as we have seen elsewhere in the
world. Now, the debate which we had this afternoon at the
opening of this session was equally important for the
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opposition, because they do not want us to tell South Africans
about the expanding student funding which has been part of a
project that this sixth administration has been spearheading.
An amount of R49 billion has now gone to fund students, which
is 70% of the total population of students in universities and
in TVET colleges. [Applause.]
There’s been a challenge around the funding of postgraduate
students and resources from the National Skills Fund has been
allocated to this extent, which includes R886 billion. Setas
have also mobilised resources in support of the so-called
missing middle. The Ministerial Task Team by your instruction,
President, is concluding its work. They will be announcing a
comprehensive student funding model, which will see the end of
the so-called missing middle, but also the funding of the
postgraduate students. These are the things that the
Opposition does not want us to hear and to speak about.
Hon Madisha, spoke about how you misled this House when you
spoke about us making progress regarding the economy. We’ve
seen in the last quarter ... the number in terms of
unemployment decreasing by 0,8%. Yes, to those who sleep with
warm bellies, hon Madisha ...
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Sepedi:
... bo mohlomphegi Madisha bao ba yago mepeteng ka dimpa tše
di fišago gape ba na le ...
English:
... roof on top of his head - this may not be important, but
for the millions of South Africans who have no jobs, this is a
huge progress for them that needs to be registered. All of
these did not merely happen because a magic wand was waved, to
make the economy work, but because the foundation of a
democratic and capable state is grinding towards progress.
Through this Budget Vote, President, we are ensuring that the
Presidency can make true of its undertakings made through the
economic recovery plan. We’ve already seen some progress, with
the gross domestic product, GDP, figures showing growth of
1,9%, and even better, as it relates to manufacturing which is
close to 5%. Some of the hon members have spoken about some of
the projects which were led by the President, including
Gqeberha and eThekwini in the auto industry and a whole range
of Special Economic Zones whose intentions are to reinforce
the commitment you’ve made in terms of the economic recovery
plan. These are not slogans, these are not mere promises,
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these are actions inspired by the vision and a work of a
Presidency that is committed to make this country thrive.
By hammering on their blood thirst, the Opposition parties are
trying to dupe the people to ignore the launch, for instance,
as I said, of some of the projects in Toyota and Isuzu which
you have led, President. If you are trapped in this narrative
of the Opposition, that of using this House as a continuation
of their trial of the President through a court of public
opinion, then we will also ignore the fact that the President
has been on the ground in the floods that we experienced in
the Eastern Cape and KZN, where more lives could have been
lost, where more property could have been destroyed had it not
been the decisive action and also a vision in averting all of
those things.
Also by placing the President on trial, the Opposition parties
want us to skirt around the truth that our postschool
education and training system is expanding, with two new
universities in the pipeline, and more than a million students
going to universities, half a million going to our TVET
colleges and more attending our community colleges and Seta
training programme.
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This administration has become the frontline government of the
people, placing their interest first, affirming its commitment
towards fighting corruption, mobilising the people as the
heart and soul of their own liberation, placing service
delivery at the doorstep of citizens, and have defied all odds
that predicted that by now, we will have experienced doom and
gloom.
No citizen should occupy the highest office if they are found
guilty of any particular crime. However, I think the worst
crime of them all is to assume that anybody whom a complaint
is laid against should therefore be found guilty just because
someone can shout the loudest more than anybody else, just
because someone can tweet more than anybody else, as we have
already seen. Some of them mobilising on tweeter and
everywhere else that they want to see the President gone.
Members from this side of the bench may have woken up this
morning hon President from their houses, tying their fancy
ties and buttoning their fancy overalls, thinking that their
nefarious mission here today would be to march you from the
Union Buildings to the nearest Correctional Service. However,
the people who have elected this government will have none of
it because they know that this Constitution that you have been
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part of its driving should be defended whether one is accused
... you know of any particular crime or not. I think that is
the fundamental principle that we’re here to emphasise. Those
who were hoping to end this day, by seeing some of us from
this side of the House walking in shame and having isolated
the President, you have come to the wrong party. Thank you
very much for listening.
IsiZulu:
Mnu Z N MBHELE: Ngiyabonga Sihlalo ngaphambili, ...
English:
... this debate is taking place exactly one week before the
commemoration of Youth Day, but instead of us finding
ourselves as a country in a situation where we should be
celebrating the dreams of our young people coming true, we are
tragically faced with a despairing present and a gloomy future
that far too many young people are confronting. It is the
majority of our youth who are suffering, it is the majority of
our youth who are excluded, and it is they who need a voice in
this debate – with their issues, needs and concerns sitting
front and centre – because the reality that they and their
families are facing is that of stagnant economic growth, job
creation in reverse gear, and shrinking opportunities,
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shrinking wallets, and shrinking stomachs. As the youth would
say, “ku-tense, ku-tricky, ku-wow!”
Mr President, during the COVID lockdown period, it became
common lingo to refer to your live evening addresses as family
meetings, implying that you are the father of the nation,
briefing us on the plans and the state of affairs in the home.
Well, if you are indeed the father of the nation, then in the
bigger scheme, regrettably the phrase that comes to mind is
‘deadbeat dad’, because the children of the family are hungry,
the children of the family are malnourished, and the children
of the family are not getting the quality education they need
to build a brighter future. As the youth would say, ...
IsiXhosa:
... kushushu, kushubile, ku-bad!”
English:
Chairperson, one of the most curious phenomena I’ve observed
in my eight years in Parliament is what I can only call the
political schizophrenia of the ANC, which we also saw on
display today from every single majority party speaker. Now
schizophrenia is defined as a breakdown between thoughts,
emotion and behaviour leading to faulty perception,
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inappropriate actions and feelings and withdrawal from reality
into fantasy and delusion. [Interjections.] The manner in
which this political schizophrenia of the ANC manifests is
twofold. Firstly, in their collective mind it separates our
economic, social and governance challenges from the facts that
the ANC, as the governing party usually over several terms
since 1994 in all spheres of government in most of this
country, has the urgency, the power and the means to address
those challenges - be it poverty, unemployment or corruption.
The ANC will speak about these issues as existing somewhere
out there and you know ...
IsiZulu:
... Maye babo!
English:
Gosh darn it! How we do lament these things, but what are you
going to do, you know? It’s simply don’t good enough.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): Order, order hon
members! Please, don’t drown the speaker.
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Mr Z N MBHELE: The second manifestation of the schizophrenia
is that it confuses intention for action, optimism and
enthusiasm for good policy and political will.
Ms N T MKHATSHWA: How Chairperson ...
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): Hon Mbhele, you can
take your seat. What’s your point of order, hon member?
Ms N T MKHATSHWA: Thank you very much, House Chair. I don’t
know if the hon member is willing to take a question.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): Hon Mbhele, hon
members, ... hon McGluwa I still have something like 20
minutes as a Chairperson, can you just hold on. Hon Mbhele,
are you taking a question?
Mr Z N MBHELE: Hon Chairperson, no, thank you, I’m on a very
good role. And the schizophrenia seems to truly believe that
through a declaration of sentiments, the pronouncement of
plans and just sheer determination and force of will,
government performance will magically improve and results will
be achieved through a spontaneous alignment of the stars.
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Ms N T MKHATSHWA: House Chairperson, I would like now to stand
on the point of order and the point of order speaks to
unparliamentary language on the basis of referring to the ANC
as having political schizophrenic behaviour. House Chairperson
...
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): Hon member, I don’t
think that’s parliamentary. Continue, hon Mbhele. Hon Mbhele,
will you continue because it’s not unparliamentary. It’s not
directed to a person but to a party.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Sorry, House Chair, I just
had to find a microphone that works. House Chairperson, I
agree with your ruling completely and I understand the hon
member that can’t help, but want to talk to the hon Mbhele
because he’s very attractive but they can have that
conversation outside later ... [Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D NTOMBELA): Hon Mazzone, still
does not make it a point of order.
Mr Z N MBHELE: Thank you Chairperson, now on the score I must
give props to the Chief Whip of the Majority Party, the hon
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Majodina, who treated us to her standard fulsome expression
which always says ...
IsiZulu:
... ngizomemeza kwenzeke.
English:
Now we noted Mr President, that you’ve moved away from making
promises – anyone remember the grand promise of the smart new
city or that load shedding would be a thing of the past by
2017. So you moved from that and shifted rather to giving what
might be called - and in fact, the previous ANC speaker said
so as well status update progress reports. Just because you
say something is happening, that doesn’t mean it actually is
happening, for example the building of a capable state. It’s
the intention, you wish for it to happen. You say it’s
happening, but the reality out here says opposites. This is so
because as I’ve said in previous debates, the problem is that
the ANC governs like someone driving a car with the
accelerator pressed down flat, but the handbrake pulled up and
all the while trying to change gears without using the clutch.
So, to quote you, Mr President “yes, the people want better
services, they want jobs and they want safety and security.”
But all that has been happening and is happening. We’re
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revving the engine, we’re spinning wheels in one spot and
grinding and burning a gearbox.
IsiZulu:
... kodwa asiyi ndawo.
English:
Mr Deputy President, we would love to rise above political
differences, as you called for us to do and to come together
and solve our problems. But it doesn’t help such a cause if we
are accused by the ANC, at every turn of political point
scoring when we propose alternative solutions or when our
Private Members Bill are shot down before they can leave the
starting blocks without grounds or merits.
Clearly, the hon Mahlaule wasn’t listening properly to the hon
Steenhuisen’s speech, which clearly explained why this cash-
in-transit debacle has direct implications on his public
office bearing position, as state President from questions on
compliance with financial laws to the alleged involvement of
the Presidential VIP protection services. However, I will be
happy to forward him a copy of the speech afterwards. He can
review it and get clear on what the Leader of the Opposition
was saying.
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): Order, hon members!
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Chairperson, I rise on a
point of order.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): I have not yet
recognised you, Chief Whip. I did not recognise you.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: I apologise.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): What’s your point
of order?
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Chair, I rise on Order 64
the member is being drowned out to the point that he can’t be
heard on the virtual platform or inside this House.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): I have already
ordered them to be quiet. I have already ordered them.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: But Sir, they are not
listening to you. It could be so ... [Interjections.]
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D Ntombela): I have already
ordered them to be quiet.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: I will listen to you, ...
[Inaudible.].
Mr X NQOLA: We can hear him, hon House Chair. You must not be
accused.
IsiZulu:
USIHLALO WENDLU (Mnu M L D Ntombela): Qhubeka bab’ uMbhele.
Mnu Z N MBHELE: Ngiyabonga Sihlalo, ...
English:
Mr President, you said a lot of things in your speech about
what’s being done, what’s in the pipeline, what’s almost in
the bag and, and, and. Unfortunately, most of it is nothing
new. The issues and solutions you touched on are the very ones
that my colleagues and I have been speaking about and the
solutions the DA has been calling for and putting on the table
for over 20 plus years. I always say that the first few years
as an MP are very exciting and stimulating, as you find your
feet and you come to grips with the learning curve of
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parliamentary routine. But after a few cycles on the track, it
all starts to feel a bit like that movie Groundhog Day and
what we heard from the President and the ANC speakers today
was the same old routine of rhetorical lather, rinse and
repeat. [Laughter.] We’ve seen this movie before and it’s like
going to an audition and you know it’s supposed to be a
different production, but the scripts given to rehearse with
just seems very, very familiar.
The truth is this Presidency is shackled and hamstrung in its
effectiveness because the ANC in government is run on cadre
deployment, and its animating lifeblood is patronage and
political horse-trading. Under such conditions, there is no
fitness-for-purpose, no accountability, and no drive for
achievement, let alone excellence. Instead, there is loyalty-
for-reward, impunity for failure, and bumbling mediocrity at
best, or catastrophic incompetence at worst.
On the one hand, we bankroll one of the largest Cabinets in
the world, which amounts to a cumbersome basket of patronage
for accommodating and balancing ANC factions and party power-
players. On the other hand, we are seeing this inflation of a
super-Presidency that runs parallel to and duplicates
functions and initiatives that should be run through Cabinet
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and the Ministers appointed to it, for example the team
appointed in the Presidency to cut red tape across government,
when this is a crosscutting concern impacting on almost all
Ministers and departments.
Mr President, unfortunately the time and the clock is ticking
down on the ANC. The country knows it, we know it and I think
on some level you know it. [Laughter.] So as the kids say, as
the youth say
IsiZulu:
Makuzovutha, makuvuthe kanye kuvuthe bhe!
The MINISTER OF JUSTICE AND CORRECTIONAL SERVICES: Hon House
Chairperson, to the hon Mbhele from the DA, you have forgotten
to add that the schizophrenia also includes someone who
wishfully shuts their eyes not to see the truth before them.
The reality that President has delivered here today, the
things that are happening in our country, all of those are
facts and reality. It is not things that are imagined nor
perceived; they are real. Indeed, hypocrites get offended by
the truth.
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Mr President, you were correct when you said, in the state of
the nation address,
None of our efforts to revive our economy will succeed if
we do not tackle the scourge of corruption once and for
all. This is a defining moment for our democracy, it is a
defining moment of our renewal project. Our success to
revive the economy is dependent on our success in the
fight against corruption.
The theatrics we have seen today of narrow party politics is
not what the country needs right now. The country is in
distress due to the high level of unemployment, the high cost
of living, and high petrol prices due to the war in Ukraine. A
sitting like this should be a festival of ideas amongst all
political parties on how to put the country on an economic
growth trajectory, create employment and deal with the high
level of crime. This is precisely why South Africans have
voted for us to be in the House; to solve societal challenges.
Sadly, opposition parties are not focused on the nation's
strategic goals on their input, but on their obsession to
remove the ANC from power, as hon Mbhele has just said. The
elections will come in 2024 and you will campaign. A fair
process will be allowed for everyone to contest the elections.
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The President has already called for a social compact amongst
all partners in our country to achieve economic growth and
create employment. As a country we must focus on the strategic
national objective, which is the realisation of the political
and socio-economic ideals enshrined in the Constitution.
Across the globe governments involved in reform face
resistance and sometimes outright rebellion by those who do
not want the wrong things of the past to be corrected; they
want to continue to act with impunity.
What we are dealing with as the collective leadership of
government was long observed by Deng Xiaoping in China when he
started to crack on corruption. He observed it as modern-day
adventurism. He said the following about this phenomenon:
What we are dealing with as the collective leadership of
the party is a new form of adventurism, where party
members and leaders believe that they can try to
overthrow the State or steal from the State with absolute
impunity. They don’t want to face consequences for their
wrongdoing. When they are caught, they try to discredit
the state institutions and even try to turn the party
against the state.
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The work of the Sixth Administration, as led by President
Ramaphosa, has led us to this phenomenon. Joel Netshitendze
famously said the beneficiaries of state capture will not go
down without a fight. I dare say they will not succeed. Our
institutions have proven over time that they are resilient.
The Sixth Administration, as led by the President, has allowed
the law enforcement agencies to do their work without any
fear, favour or prejudice. They are attending to matters
irrespective of any political affiliation, the facts and the
law guide them.
The Special Investigating Unit, SIU, is clawing back on
malfeasance and maladministration. The HAWKS and the
Independent Directorate, ID, are at work. The era of impunity
is gone, and the rule of law is reigning supreme. This debate
should have been about this administration delivering on the
pronouncements made by President at the state of the nation
address and Vote 1: The Presidency.
During the state of the nation address, the President was
criticised for vacancies in the security cluster. These
positions have been filled and the goal post is shifted. The
President is focused on building capable state and
institutions. He has appointed the ID head, head of the South
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African Police Services, Saps, the head of the defence force
and the head of State Security. In this Sixth Administration,
prosecutions on matters which relate to the theft or tampering
with essential infrastructures, like copper cables, have been
prioritised. A number of 172 cases were prosecuted, and 251
accused were convicted. These are issues that should occupy
public discourse as they affect the well-functioning of rail,
electricity and telecommunications infrastructure.
We must not lose sight of the fact that we are not dealing
with a situation where money was stolen from the fiscus, this
money was stolen from the farm of the President, he is a
victim of crime. The President has committed to the nation
that he will co-operate with the investigation. He is not
evading nor interfering with the work of law enforcement
agencies. He has no history of such interference. The
President also has a right to be treated fairly by the system,
his side of the story must be heard, the basic principle of
...
Latin:
Audi alteram partem ...
English:
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... must also be applicable to him. When the constitution says
everyone is equal before the law, it also means a president
must also be treated fairly like any other South African
citizen. We must allow the due process of the law to take its
course.
True to their hypocrisy, people who are charged and are
currently attending trials in the courts of the Republic are
lecturing us about stepping aside. They cannot explain what is
the position of their party when a member is criminally
charged and called upon to present a plea in court. The very
same individuals who stand as accused in a court of law for
recklessly firing a firearm publicly, want to tell us that
this President is a danger to society. The country should be
careful of people who live by double standards. Other than
mastering the art of cheering and clapping hands for their
supreme leader, the ground forces of the EFF are sticking to
their role of being true ground forces. They must also learn
to internalise democracy and hold their own accountable.
In the final analysis, South Africans are not interested in a
spectacle; rather they are interested in state institutions
that work. From law enforcement agencies, municipalities, to
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state owned enterprises, people want to see value for their
taxes. That is what we collectively owe society as this House.
The Investigative Directorate has brought seminal corruption
cases within a period of three months before the courts. We
welcome the arrests of the two Gupta brothers by authorities
in the UAE. As the South African government we will continue
to co-operate with our UAE counterparts to ensure that the
fugitives from justice are brought to book; they will account
in our courts. We know that extradition by its nature can be a
protracted legal process but we want to assure South Africans
that the Guptas will definitely return to our shores to face
trial. Same goes with Mr Chipiliro Gama, well known by the
name Sheperd Bushiri, whose matter will soon be heard in the
courts of Malawi.
Unlike our friends on the extreme left and right, the EFF and
the DA, the President has not shied away from accountability
even in his own party, the ANC. The President has volunteered
to present himself before the Integrity Committee of the ANC.
In the ANC, stepping aside is an outcome of a due process. If
you do not have a plausible explanation and then are charged,
you must step aside voluntarily or you get suspended.
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Despite several allegations against the supreme leader of the
EFF in the public domain, the supreme leader has never
presented himself to any structure of the EFF as he is the
alfa and omega of the cult. On the allegations of their
involvement in the VBS heist, they claimed the allegations
were fabricated intended to destroy the party. No one in their
party stepped aside. Today, when President Ramaphosa says he
will co-operate with the investigation of the police, he is
called to step aside. The police are prescribed by law to be
the institution competent to investigate any crime. The
President understands that given his position, he should be
beyond reproach, hence he has made this commitment and has
taken the nation to his confidence on the matter.
When the DA was confronted with mass resignations of its
councillors as a result of allegations of racism at the City
of Cape Town, this is what hon Mazzone said:
The timing of the resignations seems to have been an attempt
to detract from the allegations contained in the Bowman
Gilfillan reports, which implicate De Lille in covering up
alleged corruption.
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To date, no one has been held accountable for racism nor for
corruption in the Democratic Alliance. This ANC takes action,
it works and even in the country, we ensure that the
Constitution of the country is implemented. There is no dark
or black hand that interferes with processes. Again, why would
the DA not want to afford the same rights to the President to
allow due processes when it allows the same to their own
members? Whatever our political affiliation or ideological
orientation, we dare not lose sight of the strategic
objectives as a country to achieve the political and socio
economic objectives as enshrined in the constitution. Today,
as I stand before the nation, I say we dare not fail.
What the President has said about the statistics in the
economy, and what hon Manamela also said, it is not rhetoric,
hon Mbhele; it is reality. We are back to the pre-COVID-19
pandemic state of our economy. It is not rhetoric to speak
about free education in our education; it is reality, it is
there. You can go to any university and you will see it. The
work to deal with the missing middle is also not rhetoric but
a reality that the ANC-led government continues to put the
people of this country first. It is also not rhetoric that in
the last quarter, the performance in terms of employment has
improved. It is a Statistics SA report and not rhetoric. It is
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factual and real. It is also not rhetoric that this government
is committed to fight crime. There are a number of people that
have been found guilty in our courts of law for committing
various natures of crime. It is also not rhetoric that the
ANC-led government remains committed to fight and ensure that
in this country everyone can find and live a better life.
It is a collective responsibility of all of us as South
Africans to come to the party. The President has called for a
social compact and all South Africans to put their hands
together. Leave narrow political party rhetoric and come to
the party and let us resolve the social challenges and the
socio-economic challenges of our people. But I know that the
Democratic Alliance will not come to the party because their
lifetime president still yearns for the past. She usually and
always reminds them of how it was nice under apartheid, and
how it has always been good. Hence, they will not want to come
to the party to march forward with the President when he is
giving them a carpet to work with him. When the President
calls on all the opposition parties to come to the party to
work with us and build this country. When the President calls
on the civil society and all stakeholders in our country, they
welcome it with open hands because they have the interest of
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South Africans and no underhand tactics with an aim that one
day they are going to rule this country.
As hon Mbhele was saying now that the time is ticking. The
time is ticking for the DA; you are now being unmasked for who
you are. The departure of hon Maimane, hon Herman Mashaba and
youngsters like Ntuli show that there is no future for the DA.
The future of this country remains that of the ANC, but it
remains in all of us working together. It is our
responsibility that we all need to rise beyond narrow
political party but put the Constitution of South Africa
first. It is a responsibility that we all have and owe to the
electorate to build a South Africa united, a South Africa that
will benefit all South Africans. It is the responsibility of
all of us to ensure that the future is better than today. We
must never dare want to dream of the past. We must never want
to return to where we come from. We must build this society
for the benefit of all South Africans. Thank you very much,
House Chairperson.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M L D NTOMBELA): Thank you, hon
members. [Interjections.] Can I have your attention, please.
That concludes the speakers list on the Budget Vote debate and
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the business for the day. The hon the President will reply
tomorrow. The House is now adjourned.
The House adjourned at 21:18.
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