Hansard: NA: Mini-plenary 5
House: National Assembly
Date of Meeting: 19 May 2022
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APPROPRIATION BILL
Debate on Vote No 20 – Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities:
The MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY FOR WOMEN, YOUTH AND PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES: Hon Chairperson, chairperson of the portfolio committee, hon members, it is an honour to present the 2022 Budget Vote Speech of the Department of Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities in the 25th year anniversary of the South African’s formally adopting the Constitution as our own. The coming into effect of our democratic Constitution marked a decisive break from the apartheid past and it ushered in a new South Africa based on democratic values of human dignity, non- racialism, non-sexism and freedom. While women in their diversity played a crucial role in the drafting and development of this world renowned Constitution, women continue to suffer the second pandemic of gender-based violence and femicide perpetrated by men and economic exclusion. They have not been spared of the dreaded other pandemic, which is the global COVID-19. However, regardless of all these gendered challenges, women of South Africa are still standing. More resolute than ... and in order to realize the promises enshrined in the Constitution.
One of the stalwarts of our liberation struggle, Mme Gertrude Shope once said, and I quote “Every generation has a responsibility to know what its mission is. Mine was to liberate the country, what is yours?” As the Department of Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities, we will continue, in line with our mandate to advocate, monitor, evaluate, and regulate for the rights and empowerment of women, youth and regulate for the rights of empowerment of women, youth and persons with disabilities, as enshrined in the Constitution. The empowerment of women, youth and persons with disabilities cannot be achieved without the socioeconomic transformation of society. We must advocate for the acceleration of economic growth to overcome the triple challenges of inequality, unemployment and poverty, which always bears the feminine face and are the breeding ground for gender-based violence and femicide.
We are determined to ensure that in the eight years remaining to reach the 50/50 target of gender equality in accordance with Goal 5 of the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals, SDGs, on gender equality and the commitments made at the 5th World Conference of Women in Beijing through the Beijing Platform for Action and its critical areas of concern. In this regard, South Africa has joined the Generation Equality Forum to accelerate the implementation of programmes and projects to reach gender equality by 2030.
In order to eradicate the pandemic of gender-based violence and femicide, it is critical that we all implement the National Strategic Plan on Gender-Based Violence and Femicide. Accordingly, the impact of the National Strategic Plan can only be realized when all sectors of our society play their
part. I am pleased to inform this august House that the Inter- Ministerial Committee which I chair, continue to do its work of co-ordinating and implementation of the National Strategic Plan.
In this regard, the department plays a leadership role in advocating for, co-ordinating, monitoring and evaluating the implementation of the National Strategic Plan. To date, several strides have been made including the following: The National Council on Gender-Based Violence and Femicide Draft Bill is currently being consulted with Nedlac and will be tabled in Parliament in June 2022; the Multi-Sectoral Rapid Response Teams are in the process of being established in all provinces, districts and local municipalities. We are working closely with municipalities and other sectors and departments through the Department of Co-operative Governance and Traditional Affairs to ensure integration of the priorities of the National Strategic Plan. The gender- based violence and femicide ... is in the District Development Model and Integrated Development Plans. Through the European Union funded programme, technical monitors and data capturers have been placed in three pilot provinces in KwaZulu-Natal, Eastern Cape and Gauteng to
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enhance the capacity of provinces to implement the National
Strategic Plan and the Gender Budgeting Framework. The plan is
to roll out this support in the remaining 6 provinces during
the 2022-23 financial year.
Through the support of the German funding, the department is
developing the National Prevention Strategy on Gender-Based
Violence and Femicide. We must ensure that national
departments integrate the gender-based violence and femicide
priorities into their strategic and annual performance plans.
The department co-ordinate and consolidate the submission of
the monthly progress reports on the implementation of the
National Strategic Plan to the President. We have, in
partnership with SA National Taxi Council, Santaco, initiated
the training of taxi drivers and owners on gender-based
violence and femicide.
On 4 May 2022, I launched the SA Gender Assessment Report in
partnership with the World Bank which highlights that overall,
South Africa has made progress toward gender equality since
1994. Firstly, South Africa is among the top 10 of countries
globally to have successfully implemented reforms to improve
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women’s legal rights; secondly, South Africa is ranked 18
globally according to the World Economic Forum Gender Gap
Index, 2021; thirdly, South Africa is second in Southern
African Development Community, SADC, states according to the
World Economic Forum Gender Gap Index, 2021; and lastly, South
Africa has achieved gender parity in primary and secondary
school levels and in closing the gender gap in rates of adult
literacy and there is notable progress in the number of women
in Parliament.
Despite the significant progress made since the dawn of
democracy, the report also highlights that women remain
marginalized in the mainstream economy and economic
opportunities available in the country.
In addition, the persistence of high levels of gender-based
violence and femicide in the country, continue to threaten the
livelihoods of marginalized groups and compromise the overall
development of our nation.
Our department has also partnered with the World Bank in
collaboration with Sars to release a Report on Women and Trade
Facilitation in SA. The findings of the report highlight the
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challenges that women in business face with regard to export.
The report shows how mainstreaming of gender into matters of
custom processes and export procedures can significantly
reduce the barriers women continue to face in trade.
On youth issues, I welcome the appointment of the new board of
the National Youth Development Agency, NYDA, and I am very
excited that since the inception of the agency, we now have
the first executive chairperson and deputy chairperson being
young women. I look forward to working with the new board in
addressing the challenges facing our young people in the
country. I am also delighted to announce that the NYDA
Amendment Bill has been tabled in Parliament on 26 April 2022.
Furthermore, the Integrated Youth Development Strategy, as
well as the Monitoring and Evaluation Framework of the
National Youth Policy 2030 will soon be submitted to Cabinet
for approval. These will enable us to monitor the
implementation of the National Youth Policy across the
sectors.
This year, June 16, will be celebrated in the Eastern Cape and
will be addressed by His Excellency, President Cyril
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Ramaphosa. All Members of Parliament are invited to
participate in all the interactions with our young people.
We must harness the potential of our youthful population. This
includes the political will by government and captains of
industry to ensure an integration of youth across all
strategic sectors of our society, especially the economy.
The NYDA supports the Presidential Youth Employment
Intervention by providing the following: SA Youth Mobi - which
is a free employment network that provides youth with access
learning and employment opportunities; Youth Explorer - a
youth portal that provides them with a range of information;
mPowa - a location-based mobile app that provides employment
and entrepreneurship opportunities, Wi-Fi spots within their
immediate vicinity.
In the 2022-23 financial year, the NYDA will target the
following: The training of more than 25 000 young people to be
youth entrepreneurs; two thousand youth-owned enterprises who
will receive financial assistance from the NYDA through the
NYDA grant programme. These enterprises will go on and create
6 000 jobs in the economy; seventy-five thousand young people
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will be provided with skills development programs to enable
them to enter the economy; ten thousand young people to be
placed in jobs through the National Pathway Management
Network; fifty thousand young people to be recruited in the
structured National Youth Service where young people will earn
an income, learn skills and increase their employability and
offer meaningful quality service to their communities; and the
NYDA will conduct monitoring and evaluation reports on the
impact of the grant programme, revitalized National Youth
Service and the Community Works Programme.
South Africa is the most unequal society in the world. As a
result, the department has taken a bold position to close this
chasm by ensuring that there will not be any mega project in
the country which excludes women, youth and persons with
disabilities.
Accordingly, during March and April 2022, the department in
partnership with the Minister for COGTA, hosted two Izimbizo
in the Eastern Cape and KwaZulu-Natal, on the Eastern Seaboard
Development to facilitate access to information for women,
youth and persons with disabilities on this development and
its value chains to ensure their participation.
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In March 2022, the department procured an exhibition space at
the Africa Energy Indaba held in Cape Town, which provided
women in the energy sector space to exhibit their work in
order to expose their work to big business in the energy
sector throughout the continent.
The department held three dialogues that focused on renewable
energy, financial inclusion and best practice models on the
empowerment of women, youth and persons with disabilities. We
are planning to host another Imbizo on the Eastern Seaboard
Development at Alfred Nzo at the end of this month, in
partnership with COGTA and the local municipalities.
You will recall that in October 2021, His Excellency,
President Cyril Ramaphosa launched the Women’s Economic
Assembly, Wecona, that seeks to unlock at least a minimum of
40% of all procurement opportunities for women-owned
businesses across sectoral value chains.
The Wecona has developed a strategy to roll out the structure
to provinces to ensure that women-owned businesses benefit
from preferential procurement processes in all spheres of
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government and create access to markets in the private sector.
I will hold the 2nd Wecona in October 2022.
The department continues to strengthen the implementation of
the Sanitary Dignity Implementation Framework. In this
context, we are working on value chain management within the
sanitary dignity process. These include empowerment through
support programmes to ensure competence in doing business with
government.
We must all ensure the full implementation of the threshold
for public procurement set at 40% for women, 30% for youth,
and 7% for persons with disabilities.
The department undertook a rapid evaluation in 2021-22 and the
findings are disappointing. Only 16% of black women-owned
businesses benefited in 2020 and 13% in 2021. In construction
29%; accommodation and food service industry 18%. Sectors such
as transportation, wholesale and retail and ICT were the
lowest at between 3% to 6% of women-owned businesses
benefitting.
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Our main challenge in effectively monitoring the progress of
women, youth and persons with disabilities is due to the lack
of access to disaggregated data. Access to data is critical
for making evidence-based planning and programme design and to
inform better policy and decision-making.
The department is collaborating with the Department Trade,
Industry and Competition and other departments towards
mainstreaming women youth and persons with disabilities into
the African Continental Free Trade Area and the development of
the African Union Protocol on Women and Trade to facilitate
their participation in cross-border trading.
To strengthen disability inclusion in line with the UN
Convention and AU Protocol, the department has developed and
gazetted two frameworks on Universal Access and Design and
Reasonable Accommodation.
We welcome Cabinet’s approval of the National Strategic
Framework on Disability Rights Awareness-Raising Campaigns for
Persons with Disabilities. The framework seeks to guide both
private and public sectors in ensuring the rights of persons
with disabilities are protected.
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One of the barriers to participation in the economy for
persons with disabilities is access to education. Therefore,
in 2021, the department in partnership with the Department of
Basic Education hosted the Inclusive Education Summit to
discuss key interventions in increasing access to education
for children with disabilities of school going age.
Exclusion of persons with disabilities continues unabated in
workplaces. The disaggregated data collected by the Department
of Public Service and Administration on employment of persons
with disabilities in the public service show that the public
service is at 1% of employment of persons with disabilities.
This is significantly lower than the 7% proposed across all
public sectors.
The research report published by the department on the impact
of COVID-19 on persons with disabilities highlights
recommendations towards upholding rights and improving the
living conditions of persons with disabilities during
situations of disaster.
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Parliament is in the process of ratifying the AU Protocol on
the Rights of Persons with Disabilities as announced by the
President in his Sona reply.
Later this year, the department will convene the Economic
Empowerment Summit for Persons with Disabilities in order to
plan and design a strategy that will accelerate an inclusive
process of persons with disabilities in the mainstream economy
of the country including the Economic Reconstruction and
Recovery Plan, ERRP.
I reported in the 2021 Budget Vote that the department has
initiated the implementation of the Gender Responsive
Planning, Budgeting, Monitoring and Evaluation Framework. We
are continuing with this work across all three spheres of
government. We will have to broadened this framework to
include youth and disability as well.
In 2021-22, we conducted 46 capacity-building sessions across
the government. At least more than 500 officials have been
capacitated on the framework. As I am speaking here today, the
department is presenting this framework at the provincial SA
Local Government Association, Salga, Women’s Commission
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Lekgotla at the Western Cape. Similarly, we are planning to
roll out this framework at the local government level in
collaboration with the Salga and Department of Co-operative
Governance, to capacitate newly appointed councillors.
In the 2021 Budget Vote, I informed the House that we will
undertake analysis of the draft national department APPs. In
this context, the 2021 Monitoring and Evaluation Report showed
that less than 50% of the departments were implementing the
Gender Budgeting Framework.
However, the analysis of the 2022-23 draft APPs points to great
improvement in inclusion of priorities of women, youth and
disability in these plans. We are targeting an increase towards
100% by 2024.
In 2021, I reported that the department has been engaging with
the National Treasury, Department of Planning, Monitoring and
Evaluation and the International Monetary Fund, IMF, in
developing a strategy and road map for gender responsive
budgeting. I am happy to inform this House that there will be a
rollout of phase 1 of the project over the coming months by the
National Treasury.
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In addition, the department in partnership with the EU hosted a
policy dialogue on gender responsive budgeting in February 2022
which included over 700 international and national experts and
participants. The aim of this dialogue is to foster discussions
on the policy directives for gender responsive budgeting in the
country.
The South African government and the economy was built on mining
and agriculture, with land being a key factor. Therefore, my
department has signed a memorandum of understanding with the
Department of Agriculture, Land Reform and Rural Development in
order to ensure that women, youth and persons with disabilities
are mainstreamed in agriculture and land redistribution.
In pursuit of Medium-Term Strategic Framework, MTSF, Priority
7: A better Africa and World, the department continues its
commitment to achieve this priority in the following areas: We
continue to participate in the African Union Specialized
Technical Committees. In November 2021, the country had a very
successful session with the Convention on the Elimination of All
Forms of Discrimination Against Women, CEDAW ... [Time expired.]
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Minister,
unfortunately your time is now expired.
Ms C N NDABA: House Chair, hon Minister, Chief Whip, Deputy
Chief Whip and hon members, let me start by first saying that
the ANC supports this budget, Budget Vote 20. As the Portfolio
Committee on Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities, we
are tasked with a huge responsibility of overseeing that the
conditions of the most vulnerable in our society transforms
and improve for the better. It has become a dreadful practice
that annually we have to pay condolences to the families that
have lost their loved ones to the obliterating pandemic of the
gender-based violence and femicide. This is the second
pandemic that we as a country continue to grapple with without
success. The fight against gender-based violence and femicide
require every fabric of society to confront toxic behaviours
and patriarchy. The role of overcoming gender-based violence
and femicide can never rest on government alone. It requires
all of us, our families, our groups of friends, communities
and the broader society.
As the committee conveys its condolences to the Gardee and the
Mtwa families along with the countless numbers of women and
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children brutally killed that have not reached mainstream
media, we are reminded again as a country the second pandemic
of the gender-based violence, GBV, has not dissipated. The
committee welcomes the convictions of Chris Lategan for the
brutal murder of Jesse Hess and her grandfather back in 2019.
But too slow have the wheels of justice turned for the victims
and their aggrieved families and more need to be done and more
must be done. This has been the call from the Uyinene
Mrwetyana Foundation to the committee via a petition through a
committee member this year that key to the fight against
gender-based violence and femicide, GBVF, is the establishment
of the national council on gender-based violence and femicide.
However, this is hinged on the promulgation of enacting
legislation.
The department must act and move swiftly in this regard
because we were informed in the portfolio committee that the
Bill has been with the National Economic Development and
Labour Counci, Nedlac. I am sure it is more than two months
now.
This budget is also considered at a time where as a country we
are experiencing high levels of unemployment, particularly
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youth unemployment. It is our responsibility as the portfolio
committee to ensure that the economic reconstruction and
recovery plan and the Presidential Employment Initiatives
benefit the disadvantage particularly young people. The future
lies within our youth. We therefore have the responsibility to
safeguard that future.
As per the announcements, tabling and committee reports, ATC,
36 of 11 March 2022, the Department of Women, youth and
Persons with Disabilities’ annual perform plan for 2022-23 was
tabled for consideration and the report of the portfolio
committee on Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities. The
portfolio committee in executing its oversight duties also
considered the revised strategic plans and annual performance
plan 2022-23 of the National Youth Development Agency and the
Commission for Gender Equality. The Portfolio Committee omn
Women, Youth and Persons with Disability in performing its
constitutional oversight mandate, engaged with the Department
of Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities, the National
Youth Development Agency, Commission for Gender Equality, CGE,
on their respective annual performance plans for 2022-23 and
revised strategic plans on 03, 06, 04, and 11 May 2022
respectively.
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The Auditor-General of South Africa also briefed the portfolio
committee on 03 May 2022 having assessed the department and
the National development Agency’s, NYD’s, annual performance
plan, APP, 2022-23 financial year.
The Budget Vote report was subsequently adopted on 17 May
2022. The department’s mandate I would say is tabled as read
because the Minister has already presented it. The estimates
of the national expenditure 2022, I would say tabled as read
because the Minister has already presented it. The committee
maintains that in order for the department to achieve its 42
targets it is imperative that these targets are smart and that
this this give effect to the department’s mandate as
regulator. The committee took cognisance of the Auditor-
General’s concerns in this regard and as such this will be
closely monitored and assessed on a quarterly basis by the
portfolio committee.
The committee welcomes the introduction of the National Youth
Development Agency amendment Bill by the department, but we
are astutely aware that the long awaited national council on
gender-based violence and femicide Bill, the wage Bill and the
disability Bill have yet to be introduced. These proposed
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pieces of legislations are incredible important and should be
expedited.
Furthermore, the committee is aware that the department
intends developing the SA youth development Bill and awaits to
see what transpires in this regard. The committee welcomes the
implementation of the national youth policy and integrated
youth development strategy and looks forward to see the
outcomes of the implementation in this regard. Just as youth
development and mainstreaming is important to gender
mainstreaming as such, the updated implementation of the
national gender policy framework as well as the monitoring and
evaluation thereof is critical. Furthermore, given the
continued search of gender-based violence and femicide in the
country, the implementation of the national strategic plan on
GBV and the prevention strategy as well as monitoring and
evaluation is key.
The committee’s recent oversight visit to the North West and
Gauteng provinces is testament that even though government is
doing, but more need to be done. Improved monitoring and
evaluation is key. Government departments must be held
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accountable for what they have committed in the national
strategic plan on GBVF.
As we are about to adopt these reports we also considered that
there is no equality without consideration and inclusion of
persons with disabilities. As the portfolio committee we will
continue to oversee that the rights of persons with
disabilities are protected and promoted. We cannot condone a
country where a certain portion of people enjoys privileges
and some do not.
This House recently agreed to the ratification of the Protocol
to the African Charter on Human and Peoples' Rights on the
Rights of Persons with Disabilities in Africa. Being a
signatory to the protocol and the United Nations Convention on
the Rights of Persons with Disabilities is not enough.
Demystification and enactment is what persons with
disabilities in this country requires.
The committee’s recent oversight visit to the North West
School for The Deaf in Leeudoringstad was spared on by the SA
Human Rights Commission 2019 report on the North West
provincial investigative hearing into the lack of safety and
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security measures in schools for children with disabilities.
[Time expired.] Thank you very much, hon House Chairperson,
“Siyabonga” [Thank you].
Mr L MPHITHI: Hon House Chairperson, the Portfolio Committee
on Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities, in performing
its constitutional oversight mandate, engaged with the
Department of Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities, the
National Youth Development Agency, NYDA and the Commission for
Gender Equality, CGE on their respective Annual Performance
Plans for 2022/23 financial year. One thing that was clear
from this engagement was that we have a department that is
completely out touch with the realities of the most vulnerable
South Africans in this country. Minister that has never taken
accountability the many cries of women, youth and persons with
disabilities.
This is a department that is bank-rolled by South Africans to
do absolutely nothing but to pay the salaries of officials.
There are absolutely no successes that can be claimed by this
department in this term of Parliament. It has been unable to
respond decisively to gender-based violence, youth
unemployment and the continued side-lining of the disabled
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community. It has been unresponsive, uncaring, and uncreative
in finding the solutions to the problems that we have
personally experienced whilst on oversights across the
country.
Just a few weeks ago, we visited a woman who was bed-ridden
for over 10 years with no wheelchair. The department had
promised to assist the woman but a week later there was still
no assistance. We called the said official who made up all the
excuses in the world of why they had failed to help uMama. We
have officials here who earn tremendous amounts of money for
simply not doing the work to help communities on the ground.
There are some really great officials who are trying their
best to contribute to the betterment of this country but
unfortunately they are too far and few between.
The DA strongly suggested that the department should ensure
that that its key performance indicators and targets are
smart. This means not allocating millions to a programme that
only has a key performance indicator about producing reports
through the use of consultants. A quick example is how the
department would spend R2,3 million for the use of consultants
to do work like writing reports and collecting data. One
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wonders what the officials are doing in this department whilst
there are 19 officials in the department that are doing
nothing but are paid more than R1,2 million per annum. This
does not translate to actual change on the ground.
Minister, your reports are not helping and your imbizos are
not working because the people want a department that is
fighting for them and a government serving them. People across
the country are telling us that they do not see the work of
the department on the ground. That is correct because there is
actually no work that is happening on the ground. The Auditor-
General of South Africa’s assessment of the department’s
Annual Performance Plans, APP indicated that the targets of
the department are not well structured, not well verified, not
well defined and do not reflect the mandate of the department.
The department has constantly lamented about being a regulator
instead of an implementer, yet have not been able to finalise
frameworks and legislation in critical policies that needed to
be updated. We noted with great concern that the department
has proposed a merger of the programmes focusing on the rights
of persons with disabilities and youth development with no
justification. As it stands, the department’s work and image
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remains poor within government and society at large. The DA
noted with great concern that the CGE can no longer afford or
offer legal advice to clients. This matter has been unresolved
since 2020. As it stands, the CGE does not have an HOD for
legal services. This leaves many victims and survivors of
gender-based violence with one less avenue to find justice.
The truth about this APP is that it is less for our people and
more for the department itself. This is the ANC way. The way
of countless bloated entities and unnecessary departments
often with overlapping mandates and functions all created to
distribute a piece of the pie. Too many millions and billions
have been blown without substantive change on the ground by
this department. What have the successes been? What have been
achieved? What tangible change has happened in communities?
Hon members, we must ask ourselves whether this department
that spends millions on reports is genuinely been working for
the people.
The DA way entails streamlining the work of government in
confronting the challenges facing our people. This would mean
less money used as a form of patronage in the duplication of
bureaucratic functions and offices and more money actually
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working for the people. In other words, less money to fund the
business of government and more money to fund the businesses
of the youth. I thank you.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): We now proceed and from
the EFF we recognise hon Sonti. Hon Ndaba, you may switch off
your microphone. I beg your pardon, your video.
Ms N P SONTI: Hon House Chairperson, the EFF rejects the
Budget Vote 20 on Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities.
Hon members, we have repeatedly stood on this platform to
lament on the uselessness of this department. Their inability
to respond to the many challenges faced by women in this
country. Their refusal to work with the Departments of SA
Police Service, Social Development and with Home Affairs in
order to have a co-ordinated approach to fight femicide in
this country.
Just a few weeks ago, we buried our beloved daughter Hillary
Gardee, rest in peace my girl. She is one amongst many women
who have succumbed to the sadistic violence of men in this
country. Also a few weeks ago, a leader of Abahlali
baseMjondolo Nokuthula Mabaso, was killed in cold blood at
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eKhenana informal settlement in Cato Manor, KwaZulu-Natal. In
February this year, the body of Asiphe Nqoloba was discovered
in a shallow canal behind the Sanitizer informal community in
Langa, Western Cape. On the same day, the police in Gugulethu
also discovered the body of a 40-year-old woman on the canals
of NY44 and NY45. May all their souls rest in peace?
New research by the SA Medical Research Council reported that
Eastern Cape is leading in the number of women who got
murdered and that most of these women were killed by their
intimate partners. Lusikisiki has the highest number of rapes
and sexual assaults in the country. Minister, you know these
statistics and you know the names of these women and children.
You hear them repeatedly but what have you done? What has this
department to ensure that women feel safe in this country and
that those who are victims are provided with shelter and
protection? Why are you fiddling while women are dying in
their numbers Minister?
Recently, the Human Sciences Research Council, HSRC released a
report on the state of shelters in this country. The report
paints a very sore picture for those of us who are concerned
with the plight of the victims of sexual violence and gender-
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based violence in this country. Why it is the responsibility
of the Department of Social Development to maintain these
shelters. It is supposed to be your responsibility to monitor
those shelters meant for abused women and abandoned children
and people with disabilities that are well taken care of.
You have failed the women of this country, the youth and the
differently abled persons. The mess in the National
Development Youth Agency, NYDA is proof of a continuing
neglect of your department has for young people in the
country. Today, almost 50% of the population is unemployed. A
greater number of the unemployed is the women and young
people. With 74% of the youth of working age are unemployed in
this country. You have done absolutely nothing to promote
initiatives for young people in their fight against
unemployment.
This budget offers no new initiatives and breaks no new
ground. It is a repetitive which is ignorant of the agency
mirrored to deal with the problems of the young people and
young women in particular. We reject this budget vote. Thank
you.
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IsiZulu:
Nk C N NDABA: Ubungekho Sonti.
English:
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Thank you Mam’uSonti.
Hon Ndaba, please mute. We proceed now to the IFP, with hon
Hlengwa.
Ms L L VAN DER MERWE: Hon Chairperson, it is hon Van der
Merwe, please could you move to the Freedom Front Plus, I will
check on hon Hlengwa and come back to you.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): No problem, I can do
that. Now I proceed to the FF Plus and invite the hon Breedt.
Ms T BREEDT: Madam Chairperson, let’s not beat about the bush.
This department is a failure of a department. This department
should not exist.
Afrikaans:
Ek het al verskeie kere in debatte met betrekking tot hierdie
departement gesê dat ek ideologies nie saam met hierdie
departement stem nie en wanneer ware gelyke geleenthede
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seëvier, is daar nie ’n behoefte aan so ’n departement nie. Ek
praat egter nie vandag oor een van hierdie twee aspekte nie.
Hierdie departement faal Suid-Afrika, veral die persone wie
die departement ten doel het.
English:
Some shocking findings were tabled by the Auditor-General SA,
AGSA, and the committee raised a number of concerns. Almost
half of their report are in fact concerns. That is very
worrying. Many of the findings had to do with the department’s
mandate. For reference, I looked up the department’s mandate
again and thought it good to bring it back into context for
this debate.
The mission of the department is to provide strategic
leadership, co-ordination and oversight to government
departments and the country in mainstreaming empowerment
programmes on women, youth and persons with disabilities. The
priority of the Ministry and the department is to ensure that
the socioeconomic empowerment and rights of women, youth and
persons with disabilities are mainstreamed across all sectors
of society. It further continues to explain in detail through
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what mechanisms this is supposed to happen. Here are some of
the findings and concerns.
Firstly, the AGSA indicated that the targets of the department
are not well structured, not well verified, not well defined
and do not reflect the mandate of the department.
Afrikaans:
Mmm, nogal ’n hengse problem, as jy my vra. In kort, die
departement faal, want dit kan nie sy mandaat uitvoer nie en
ek glo nie enige mate van ingryping gaan dit kan omdraai nie.
Vrae wat ontstaan het gedurende die afgelope begrotingsproses
sluit onder andere in hoe die departement ander regerings-
departemente aanspreeklik hou vir die stadige of versuiming
van uitvoering van daargestelde teikens in verband met vroue,
jeugdiges en persone met gestremhede.
English:
Furthermore, there was found that there was a merger of the
programmes focusing on the rights of persons with disabilities
and youth development with no justification provided by the
department. A further concern is with regard to the changes in
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the organisational structure. Also, without approval from
National Treasury. Annual performance plans, APPs, are unclear
with targets that do not guarantee service delivery. There are
name changes of subprogrammes not effected throughout.
Afrikaans:
’n Naampie hier en ‘n plekkie daar, gaan nie dit wat
institusioneel verkeerd is met hierdie departement regmaak
nie. Die herstrukturering is byvoorbeeld al sedert 2019 ’n
prioriteit wat nie soos ’n prioriteit behandel word nie.
English:
The majority of staff are employed within the Administration
programme, as opposed to the core programmes and despite this
there are still key critical vacancies in Programme 1. To
further add insult to injury, R2,3 million is budgeted for use
of consultants to do work of the department ie report writing,
collecting data, etc, and the question that begs to be asked
is what the current staff and department are doing?
The department has 19 staff members who are paid more than
R1,2 million per annum, salary level 13 to 16. Then why does
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the department still budget an allocation for consultants to
implement programmes of the department?
Afrikaans:
Dis so goed ons betaal twee keer vir ’n burger en kry nie ’n
enkele burger nie!
English:
It’s daylight robbery, if you ask me! The committee had on
numerous occasions outlined to this department why it should
desist from using consultants, given its limited budget and
provided recommendations on how to address the matter. I can
continue this trajectory, but I think my colleagues have and
will make mention of that which I have not.
Let me rather focus on a project that I really believe in - a
project that should be a priority, a project that can truly
bring the girl child so much closer to an equal schooling
opportunity. And that is the sanitary dignity project.
Afrikaans:
Volgens statistiek mis ten minste drie uit elke 10 meisies tot
sewe skooldae ’n maand, as gevolg van menstruasie. Die verslag
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wat die komitee oor die implementering van die projek ontvang
het, is amper tot op die letter dieselfde as die vorige
verslag, twee jaar gelede. Sedertdien was daar een
opvolgverslag ,en het slegs twee provinsies moniteringsverslae
ingedien. Bygesê was dit na aanleiding van die komitee se
oorsigbesoek. In die Vrystaat kan ek getuig dat hierdie projek
steeds in kontroversie gedompel is en dat daar geen waarde vir
geld is nie. Om eerlik te wees, is daar nie eers bewyse vir
die geld wat na bewering daarop spaandeer is nie.
Vroue, jeugdiges en persone met gestremdhede gaan nooit ware
gelykheid ervaar, solank as hierdie departement nog bestaan en
die ANC met sy ideologies benadering tot probleme in beheer is
nie. Ek dank u.
Ms N K SHARIF: Hon house Chairperson, when looking at the
annual performance plans, APPs, for both the Commission for
Gender Equality, CGE, and the Department of Women, Youth and
Persons with Disabilities, there is a stark contrast between
the two. What is absolutely shocking is that the CGE, with a
budget of R107 million is able to do 10 times more of the work
with half of the budget, when compared to the department, with
budget of R205,1 million.
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The CGE has released reports around the failure of government
departments to implement strategies to fight against the
oppression of women. The lack of accountability to the CGE is
unacceptable. The CGE must look at ways to ensure their
reports, findings and recommendations are taken seriously.
Spending millions of rands doing numerous investigations must
yield results, especially as a Chapter 9 institution that has
its mandate given directly by the Constitution. The lack of
accountability is one of the reasons we keep moving backwards
thanks to this failing ANC government.
In terms of budget, the CGE has to ensure that they use all
the budget allocated in reaching targets. The return of R19
million to Treasury is extremely concerning, especially when
they argue a lack of an adequate budget is constraining the
important work they do.
The Department of Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities
has been going through an identity crisis for the last few
years, since the proclamation by the President in 2019 to
merge Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities into one
department. We have seen the mandate, the vision and the
actual work that needs to get done change year-on-year. The
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impact of this means that policies and programmes of the
department do not get implemented and get pushed to the side
because they need to re-evaluate what they are actually doing.
We can see a clear example of this with the Emergency Response
Action Plan on gender-based violence and femicide, GBVF, that
has been reported by the department as being scrapped, noting
they were the worst performing department in reaching their
Emergency Response Action Plan, ERAP, targets.
The continuous redesign of the department’s organisational
structure and the continuous delays in implementation of
targets impact South Africans in the most severe ways. The
Wage Bill, the Disability Rights Bill, are delayed and this
includes the National Council on GBVF, NCGBVF, that has not
been established. Treasury had allocated R15 million for the
establishment of the NCGBVF over a three-year period, with R5
million being paid in each financial year starting in 2020 and
yet, in 2022, nothing. With these delays, we are seeing women,
youth and persons with disabilities continue to suffer, in
this country, every single day.
When looking at the department’s APP for 2022-23, it is
evident that the targets are not smart. It does not reflect on
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the mandate of the department as a regulator. This APP will be
difficult to monitor and evaluate in terms of targets being
implemented and oversight is therefore hindered. Maybe, that
is the whole plan. The department is not convincing in terms
of their capacity to do more and is not fit enough to make
changes in the lives of women, youth and persons with
disabilities. South Africa deserves better. I thank you.
Ms L L VAN DER MERWE: Thank you very much, hon House
Chairperson and our apologies for hon Hlengwa not being able
to speak. She is being affected by load shedding. Policy
development and drafting as a legislation means very little if
there’s no real ambition to finalize such statutory measures
and above all if there are no real enforcement of these tools
once adopted.
The Department of Women, Children and People with Disabilities
proudly stresses its latest Annual Performance Plan that it
has developed three key pieces of legislation. This relate to
the National Council on gender-based violence and femicide
GBVF, Bill, the National Youth Development Agency Amendment
Bill and the Promotion of Women’s Rights Environment and
Gender Equity Bill.
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The department however fails to provide any targets relating
to these critical Bills. How is the committee to monitor any
progress or oversight if these bills are not finalized? The
department also fails to recognize the delay in introducing
these Bills. The National Council on Gender Based Violence and
Femicide Bill, provides for the establishment of an important
multi sector National Council on GBVF which essentially
provides for strategic leadership in the fight against GBVF.
This critical Bill was only published in October 2021 by
department after years of protest and countless promises by
government that it is serious about eliminating GBVF.
One of the first steps promised by government was the
establishment of this council of yet many years later we are
once more faced by the government’s empty promises in this
regard.
The IFP strongly endorses the portfolio committee’s
recommendation that the department must urgently provide
specific targets to the development of this Bill and the
finalization of the establishment of this council. The
Sanitary Dignity Policy Framework Work provides vital norms
and standards for the provision of senator products for
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vulnerable goals and young women especially those living in
rural areas. The monitoring of this framework should be a high
priority for this department. However, once again, we have
seen very little enforcement or proper oversight over this
framework.
The IFP agrees with the portfolio committee’s observation that
there seems to be no uniformity in the roll out of this
framework and this is simply unacceptable and should no longer
be tolerated. The sanitary dignity of our vulnerable girls and
young women cannot be compromised by the failure of this
government to ensure effective oversight.
Lastly, the IFP strongly agrees with the portfolio committee’s
observations on the use of consultants by the department. It
is really concerning that R2,3 million is budgeted for the use
of consultants to effectively do the work of this department.
One of the main cost drivers under goods and services is the
use of consultants which is incomprehensible considering the
financial constraints experienced by government, this
department and National Treasury in general.
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The IFP strongly agrees that the recommendations that there
must be an effective transfer of skills from these consultants
to the department officials and the IFP will closely monitor
this recommendation. We cannot continue to be a witness to
such wastage and such dismal performance by this department.
Chairperson, in conclusion, we expect better for the most
vulnerable, we expect better for those living with
disabilities. And we expect better for the women and children
who continue to face war on our streets, at home and in the
workplace. They deserve better than what this department is
delivering.
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON: (Ms R M M Lesoma): Hon members, you
will forgive me, it’s bit darker where I am because of
loadshedding.
Ms A S MHLONGO: Thank you very much, hon Chairperson.
Greetings to the Minister of the Women, Youth and Persons with
Disabilities, the chairperson of the portfolio committee, hon
members, ...
Siswati:
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... sanibonani.
English:
Today marks exactly 20days since 6-year-old girl, Bontle
Mashiyane from Mganduzweni in Mpumalanga province disappeared.
We plead with our police and society to help the family find
this young and innocent soul.
This happens after a young women Hillary Gardee was brutaly
murdered by old men. We again plead with the justice system to
make sure it is old men are behind bars where they belong.
Clearly, they do not belong in our society.
Hon members, young people in South Africa are the most
vulnerable with unemployment levels at highest. It is
unavoidable that COVID-19 has had a dreadful impact in our
society a number of people lost their jobs their source of
income and are unable to provide for their families.
This in turn further exacerbate the already high levels of
poverty and deepening inequality. However, as South Africans
we are resilient not all is lost.
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Chairperson, as the ANC our focus is to rebuild the economy
through the Economic Reconstruction and Recovery Plan and
implementing it which will curb the high levels of
unemployment.
It is an unemployment stimulus to create jobs and sustain
livelihoods. We have to continuously mainstream young people
and women into the various sectors of the economy.
Particularly those sectors that they are least represented in
like the mining sector and the agricultural sector.
we acknowledge that the causes of unemployment in South Africa
can be attributed to a lack of education and training, labour
demands and skills mismatch and a lack of interest for
entrepreneurship. Ours as the government is to turn this
around. We have to ensure that young people in particular have
the necessary skills that are required in the labour market.
We have to drive innovations and support the programs that are
aimed at increasing an interest to entrepreneurship. If we are
to attain our goals of the National Development Plan, NDP, of
realising a 6% unemployment rate and 11 million additional
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jobs by 2030, we have to address the main drivers of
unemployment in our country and develop our economy.
Today, as the ANC, we are adamant that the budget intends to
try and mitigate the triple challenges of inequality,
unemployment and poverty. In mitigating the high levels of
unemployment amongst the youths, as the ANC realised that we
have to advance the socio-economic empowerment of young
people.
The honours thus rests upon the department to review the
National Youth Policy and legislation such as the National
Youth Development Agency Amendment Bill and therefore report
on the recommendation. The significance of this Bill is that
it will prioritize interventions that support skills
development and foster employment.
This includes the provision of support for young
entrepreneurs, learnership programme and the implementation of
youth programmes.
As the ANC we are pleased to note that over the medium-term
period, the in the National Youth Development Agency, NYDA,
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will focus on providing interventions to support the creation
of decent employment and the development of skills and
encourage entrepreneurship for all young people. These
interventions will take place in the form of financial and
non-financial support to enable young people to access skills
and jobs establish and sustain enterprises and gain access to
markets.
For financial support is provided through grants to townships
and rural enterprises owned by young people whereas nod-
financial support includes accounting, website development,
business plan writing and marketing.
Hon members, as the ANC we welcome that the large proportion
of the budget has been allocated to Programmes 2 of the NYDA
budget. This programme will assist young people to gain access
to socio-economic opportunities, viable business opportunities
through entrepreneurship, increased access to the economy
through the various sectors including the agricultural
construction and the secondary sector of the economy.
This programmes will also focus on upskilling a number of
young people to allow them the required skills in the job
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market. As ANC, we also welcome the new increased targets of
the NYDA. A clear indication of understanding the gravity of
the challenges that young people face. This new target will
help assist foster innovation and support young and upcoming
entrepreneurs.
Hon members, we have to understand the importance of
entrepreneurship in the value-chain. It also helps assist in
the creation of jobs and job opportunities which then seeks to
deal with the matter of unemployment and poverty. Such
initiatives have to be supported.
Hon Chairperson, we are pleased to know that an additional
allocation of R450 million has been made to extend the
national youth services for another two-years, enabling
approximately 35 000 job opportunities per year.
The NYDA also has the responsibility to ensure that young
people benefit from the National Pathway Management Network,
which is a Presidential Youth employment intervention
initiative to decrease the unemployment rate South Africa. The
first two phases of the Presidential Employment Stimulus
programmes were launched in October 2020. And have supported
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over 850 000 opportunities. More than 80% of these
participants were young people and over 60% were women.
We are adamant that this year there would be even more youth
and women that benefit from these initiative to limit the
scourge of unemployment and poverty. We remain confident that
the Social Employment Fund will create a further 50 000 job
opportunities using the capability of organisations beyond
government.
In areas such as agriculture, early childhood development
public ... [Inaudible] ... tackling gender-based violence.
Hon Chairperson, the most important aspect of this vote is
that it will uplift the lives and livelihoods of many young
people and women at large. A budget should always be
responsive to the socio-economic challenges that the country
faces. Young people are not lazy. Young people need to be
granted the necessary platforms and opportunities for them to
thrive. As the ANC, we are well aware of the frustrations of
young people. We are well aware of the frustrations caused by
the pandemic.
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Let me take this moment to recognise the strains that the
mental health has put on our youth. Ours as government is to
respond to the dire challenges that our young people face and
therefore approve budgets that would be beneficial to the
needs of the youth and the nation. As the ANC we support
Budget Vote 20 - Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities.
Ngyabonga [Thank you.]
Ms M E SUKERS: House Chair, the South African tax payer is
investing R987,3 million into the budget of this department.
The ACDP notes the announced paradigm shift from facilitation
to regulatory in the Annual Performance Plan, APP. It is
within this context that we wish to provide comment on this
Budget Vote.
Women are disproportionately affected by the economic and
social crisis in our country. During this lockdown period the
conditions in our communities deteriorated with extreme levels
of poverty affecting women, youth and people living with
disabilities. There has been a significant focus given to the
war in Ukraine but the truth is that there is a low intensity
war in our communities, especially here in the Western Cape.
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I receive calls from my constituency that are desperate. One
such a call was last night when two young people lost their
lives violently a few streets apart in the same neighbourhood.
If we should a body count on the killings that happen in
communities on the Cape Flats the totals will be staggering.
Trauma is a daily reality for women in our country, and if you
live in communities such as Seawinds, Lavender Hill or
Mitchells Plain, the exposure to violence is a daily
occurrence.
We acknowledge the Minister of Social Development and the
department for the coming out on the oversight to facilitate
dialogue with our communities and non-governmental
organisations, NGOs, in the southern Peninsula. We need more
Ministers and their departments to respond to issues of
violence and gangsterism which is a major threat to the
national security of this country. Young women are sold for
drugs to gangs. These are the horrific stories, Minister, that
we encounter every day that requires a multifaceted approach.
It is therefore our call that this department and its
entities, the Commission for Gender Equality and the National
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Development Agency for them to pay attention to the root
causes that drive gangsterism and violence in these areas.
The ACDP questions what the shift of the department and its
organisational changes will mean in real terms. How will this
strategic focus of this department assist women and youth on
the Cape Flats? What directives and regulations will be
issued, and then enforced to ensure that the department’s task
with overseeing the safety and security of our people are
focusing on the key issues of violence and inequality that
drives the crisis women face in our communities. On behalf of
the communities that the ACDP serves, these are the questions
we seek answers to in this Budget Vote. I thank you.
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON: (Ms R M M Lesoma): Thank you, hon
member. I now recognise hon Shaik Emam. My apologies, hon
members once more, it is like I am flying; there is
loadshedding where I am. You may proceed, hon member.
Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Thank you, House Chair, I have more than
loadshedding; I have a total blackout. I hope you can see me.
House Chairperson, let me start of by saying that the NFP will
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support the Budget Vote tabled here today. However, allow me
to raise some of my concerns.
Seven women die every day or murdered in this country. A 123
are raped in South Africa on a daily basis. One fifth of all
women are physically abused by their partners in this country.
Now, added to that is the problem that only 4% of children
live with their fathers or over 50% of children live with
their mothers. But 77% of all children in this country live
with one parent. Now, surely that tells us that that will lead
to dysfunctional families because no child is born a rapist or
a murderer or a perpetrator of violence. The question that we
need to again ask is: What has gone wrong? Why has it gone
wrong? When did it go wrong and what are we going to do to
correct it?
We talk about the targets we set with gender equity and
particularly those that are physically challenged. Let us
start with the National Assembly. Four hundred Members of
Parliament, are we complying? Clearly not. Let us look at the
issue of CEOs of women in South Africa. Only 11,8% of women in
this country hold CEO positions in South Africa, and only
about 20% of them hold managerial positions in the country.
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I want to call upon the department, particularly with these
dysfunctional families, should we not put in measures to
ensure that any father that refuses to pay or neglects to pay
child maintenance or is not in a child’s life, should not and
must not be employed by the state? Maybe that is where we need
to start, over and above ensuring that they pay if they cannot
be in the lives of these children, because this is the root
cause of what we are having in terms of dysfunctional
families. I think as a state we should start there and not
allow them to be employed by the state.
Let me go one step further, there is not enough being done to
protect these women and these children from absent fathers,
including when we talk about maintenance, particularly I want
to raise the concern of those that are in delf-employment
because there are no measures to track their income. For that
reason, they exploit the situation and end up not paying
maintenance for these children.
The statistics in terms of children that are going to school,
why is it that so many members of families are not ensuring
that the children go to school so that we can create a better
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society or a future generation of leaders? Are you telling me
that my time is up?
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON: (Ms R M M Lesoma): I guess so. I need
to say so. Thank you very much.
Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Okay, House Chair, the NFP will support,
and you keep flying, Chair.
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON: (Ms R M M Lesoma): You are so out of
order, hon member. [Laughter.]
Mr S NGCOBO: House Chairperson, the Department of Women, Youth
and Persons with Disabilities continues to fail persons with
disabilities in the country. It has failed to change their
living conditions for the better. It has failed to remove the
barriers which keep them locked out of opportunity.
As the South African Human Rights Commission has noted,
households headed by persons with disabilities have less
access to basic services than households headed by persons
without disabilities. Many NGOs in the disability sector, some
of which the DA has visited in the past, are also struggling
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financially. Without proper funding for them, vulnerable South
Africans living with disabilities are at risk of homelessness
and losing access to dignified care and education.
The Department has also failed to prioritise the development
of the Disability Rights Bill. In its annual performance plan
for the 2022-23 financial year, the department does not
mention the development of this Bill as a separate target,
which will make the monitoring of the development of the Bill
very difficult for the committee. This is concerning, given
that the committee has been calling for the speedy development
of this piece of legislation for quite some time now.
House Chairperson, what is also concerning is that the
department does not have a proper stakeholder database that is
updated on an ongoing basis, which explains clearly why many
disability rights organisations are being left out when the
Department conducts outreach programmes.
The department states that the purpose of programme 4 in its
annual performance plan is to promote good governance
regarding the rights and social and economic empowerment of
youth and persons with disabilities. It further states that in
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the current financial year it will support, monitor and co-
ordinate government’s implementation of the White Paper on the
Rights of Persons with Disabilities. However, it is very
difficult to imagine how the department will do this, given
that the targets it has set under this programme are not smart
enough to achieve this purpose.
It is hard to imagine how simply developing one draft
evaluation report on the implementation of the White Paper on
the Rights of Persons with disabilities is going to support
and co-ordinate government’s implementation of the White
Paper. The questions for you Minister are: For how long must
persons with disabilities in the country suffer before the
department rise to the occasion and do what it is supposed to
do? For how long must persons with disabilities remain
excluded before the department starts prioritising their
issues? For how long must they wait before the department
actually start developing the Disability Rights Bill? Now is
the time for action, Minister. Now is the time for you and
your department to start listening to persons with
disabilities in the country, and take effective measures to
change their lives for the better. The starting point will be
to speedily develop the Disability Rights Bill. I thank you.
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Sepedi:
Moh C M PHIRI: Modulasetulo, e re ke bu?e let?at?ing la lehono
ke tami?e Tona ya rena, Mme Maite Nkoana-Mashabane, ke tami?e
le sefepisegolo Mme Majodina, gammogo le Motlat?atona wa
gagwe, ke tami?e Maloko kamoka a Palamente, ao a lego gona ka
mo bo?egong bja lehono ke re ...
English:
... before I ... [Inaudible] ... allow me to first pay my
condolences to the numerous families that have lost loved ones
through the scourge of gender-based violence and femicide. As
my chair had previously stated, it has been hinderous pattern
that every year we pay condolences to the victims of gender-
based violence and femicide, and commemorate those we have
lost. It begs the question of why does such a vicious pattern
continues and persist in our country. Why are women
continuously being obliterated in our country? We also have to
acknowledge that gender-based violence and femicide affect
particularly those that are vulnerable in our society, women,
children and persons belonging to the community of lesbian,
gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex, questioning and asexual
and other gender non-conforming identities, LGBTIQA+.
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As the ANC we have acknowledged that gender-based violence has
reached its crisis and proportion in our country, and it
affects every community in touches the lives of the most
families in one way or the other. We note and understand that
these manifestations are ... [Inaudible.] ... system that is
embedded in the system and traditions of our society or our
country. That is why as a country we have to continuously
support institutions such as the commission for gender-
equality and the Department of Women, Youth and Persons with
Disabilities.
Our objectives on the stand on women and the vulnerable have
always been clear as the ANC. We recognise and understand that
our struggle will never be complete the socioeconomic
emancipation of women. We have always emphasised the support
for the rights of persons with disabilities and children,
combat sexism and ensure that violence towards women is fully
heard and that all women and youth are represented in all
sectors of our society. However, we know that responding and
combating gender-based violence require a multisectoral
approach which led to the implementation of the National
Strategic Plan on gender-based violence and femicide.
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We shall always be in support of the mechanism that aims to
address issues of gender-based violence ... [Interjections.]
... today, we have to understand how this Budget Vote No 20
will assist us to the challenges that we are experiencing. Hon
Mphithi and hon Sharif, as the ANC we are a caring government.
We welcome the budget allocation to the Commission for Gender
Equality, CGE, over R100 million for the financial year 2022-
23 from National Treasury, which is a nominal increase from
the previous budget – that of 2021-22. To us this is an
indication that the matter of gender equality and advocacy of
the vulnerable is being taken seriously by the ...
[Inaudible.] ... and the CGE, led by the ANC.
We hope that the increased allocation on the programme A on
CGE continue ... [Interjections.] ... transformation agenda in
both the private and public sector through legislation. We
hope that the specific focus will be emphasised on the private
sector to evaluate legislation policies, practices and ...
[Inaudible.] ... to ensure that they are in line with the
prescripts understanding that the fight against gender-based
violence and femicide requires to be strengthened. We
therefore welcome the continued effort to curb the scourge of
abuse. We have long awaited the establishment of the National
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Council on Gender-Based Violence. We therefore welcome the
fact that it will be launched during the financial year and
that an estimated amount of R15 million has been allocated
over the medium term toward this programmer – under the
programme of mainstreaming women’s rights and advocacy.
We have noted that Parliament passed the three gender-based
violence and femicide Bills. It is of significance to see that
these Bills benefit the public, particularly the victims of
gender-based violence. It is our responsibility to ensure that
knowledge on these Bills have to reach members of the public.
We therefore encourage the Commission for Gender Equality to
continue to conduct advocacy initiatives and public education
interventions in the promotion of public understanding of
gender equality and access to gender justice.
It is fruitless to pass Bills when the intended beneficiaries
are not aware of them or do not have the knowledge of these
existing Bills and how they can benefit from them. We also
partake in information sharing in all constituencies to ensure
that members of the public know their rights and how the law
protects them to ensure adequate access to justice. We are now
in the era of digital technology and we should embrace the
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Fourth Industrial Revolution. We should utilise the digital
media and platforms to spread helpful information with regard
to gender-based violence and femicide.
We appreciate that the department and the commission have
reached to over 48 million people using their information and
communication initiatives. We hope that during this financial
year, they would be able to reach out to even more people than
the previous year. We are awaiting the second phase to
implement the National Strategic Plan, NSP, on Gender-Based
Violence and Femicide as the strategy is of the great
significance. We hope that the department will continue to
monitor the implementation of the plan and monitor ...
[Inaudible.] ... and accessibly to Thuthuzela Care Centres
that are meant to benefit victims of violence. We also have to
ensure that our centres do cater for people belonging to the
LGBTQA+ community. They must be inclusive, most importantly,
it is of significance that the department hold the departments
accountable for not implementing the NSP or including it into
their strategic plans. Consequence management is led in this
regard.
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Hon Sonti, the department joins hands with all stakeholders
and the department has good interrelations with other
departments. As part of a ... [Inaudible.] ... for the rights
of the people with disabilities, the department has developed
a framework guideline on how the department can best include
people with disabilities in all government processes and
programmes.
Over the Medium-Term Expenditure Framework, MTEF, period, in
partnership with the SA Law Reform Commission, the department
aims to develop disability rights legislation and polices in
the areas such as advocacy for people with disabilities and
develop all metrics and monitoring and evaluation framework
for the 2015 White Paper on the rights of persons with
disabilities in order to guide the department on
implementation priorities.
These initiatives are expected to ... [Inaudible.] ...
expenditure of R49,3 million over the medium term in the
advocacy and mainstreaming of rights of persons with
disabilities subprogrammes, the mainstreaming of rights of
youth and advocacy rights programmes. This is in addition to
SADC protocol of the rights of persons with disabilities. This
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is a programme being implemented, hon members. When you say
that there is nothing that this department is doing well, you
are not putting it correctly. The department is doing a lot.
This budget will benefit those that are most disadvantaged in
our communities. It will also strengthen the fight against
gender-based violence and continue ... [Inaudible.] ... access
to justice. ... [Inaudible.] ... “Freedom cannot be achieved
unless women have been emancipated from all forms of
oppression”. It was said by the great statesman.
Sepedi:
Ke a leboga, Modulasetulo.
The MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY FOR WOMEN, YOUTH AND PERSONS
WITH DISABILITIES: Chairperson ...
Xitsonga:
... ndzi khensile.
English:
I wish we had more time. We came straight into conversation
with yourselves in the budget where we are participating
partly in the first international labour organisations. The
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initiative to stop childhood employment or children’s work
that children should be at school and not at work, to stop
child labour. You know, if one was still in that particular
place, or if one would still take those people who were in
that particular place and bring them into this room and hear
that the whole world think that South Africa is on track and
that South Africa needs support, and that there’s a lot that
they can learn from this country, and many of those things
they pick up from the things we do as the department.
You know the saying that says, it takes a village to raise a
child, they say that they now know and they have picked it up
that it comes from all over the world. They have picked it up
from South Africa, but now they know that the community means
the entire society needs to take care of issues of gender-
based violence and femicide. As hon Shaik Emam has it, it
takes not only a village, but community and all of us to do
things right. That’s why we have joined the District
Development Model, DDM, because, may the souls of women who
have been slaughtered or killed by their loved ones and by
thugs, rest in peace.
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But they are killed in a locality, and that particular
locality does not necessarily need women only, or the
Department of Women, Youth and Persons with Disabilities only,
it needs the village, it needs all of us to deal with such
issues. Absentee fathers cannot raise children. Children are
not raised by money. Children are raised by a father and a
mother, so said hon Shaik Emam, and we agree. Hon Phiri, I
think that you said a mouthful. Therefore, we don’t have to
repeat because, we don’t have time, but we appreciate what you
have said, including the support from you and the Chair of the
portfolio committee and many of us, Comrades. Hon members, let
us tell the truth that, the targets that we have set we set
them for the department. Even though the Auditor-General
rejected them, it is not the whole truth.
They were called back, and they emphasised that they support
that work. Yes, we work with other countries because we do not
have money. The department is not a delivery department. It is
a department that does advocacy and regulation, and works with
monitoring and evaluation. So, we cannot be responsible for
every other husband who decides that he is not too drunk today
and therefore he can kill his wife. These things must stop,
but the painful reality is indeed that it is confirmed that,
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out of every three hours, a woman gets killed in South Africa
by somebody or someone she knows. So, we work with
international community and we work with some agencies.
There is also work that we are doing in Lusikisiki. Let me
tell you this, when we receive support either through Treasury
or through other agencies abroad, we make sure that we plough
them back into the society and help with training. I judge the
Inter-Ministerial Committee, IMC, with other Ministers that
monitors on this matter of gender-based violence and femicide,
GBVF. It is our government that had taken a stance that, when
we negotiate for something to happen, like gender-based
violence and femicide council to be launched, it will go
through Nedlac.
So, Nedlac is where discussions are done, not with us. They
have received this at the beginning of the year. But we will
wait till end of the month to get feedback from them because,
there’s absolutely nothing to hide. We are the ones who make
statements, but statements alone do not bring our people back,
particularly mothers. So, let us work together. There is no
need to fight. There is a need for all of us, particularly
this department, to make sure that, women, young girls and
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mothers are safe, to keep our nation safe. This department was
supposed to be encouraging more participation of women in the
economy.
Like with the renewal of the economy, women get an opportunity
not to participate like they did in the past, but that we be
part of the cleaning service of the economy of South Africa,
so that we can become full participants. Sanitary dignity, yes
we agree, that it has to be led by women, but we work with the
Ministry of Social Development. We have both agreed that, it
should not necessarily be the responsibility of the others,
but ourselves. Here in KwaZulu-Natal, where people have
experienced floods and lives have been lost, may their souls
rest in peace, we were the first with government to arrive in
those shelters, not only to feel sorry for the victims, but
also to help and share the little we had with the communities,
and sanitary dignity handouts were distributed, which were
highly appreciated.
I was with Minister Zulu and we will continue to offer help.
Where there is a little bit of money, it is sent directly for
sanitary dignity by the Treasury to the provinces, and they
see to it on how they will utilise it or how this department
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will take care of our people. Let us take this opportunity to
work together, remembering Wangani Maathai of Kenya, and Mme
Gedrude Shope said, we fought for freedom. What will you be
remembered for? Let us do things that help protect and make
lives, in particular, of women better, in this era, by working
together.
It is our responsibility and our honour to serve. The Bills
that we were referring to on GBVF that comes with justice,
were discussed through the IMC which we chair. We encouraged
this. We also encouraged that they will be offer new courts
that will focus on issues of gender-based violence. We also
encourage ... [Interjections.]
The ACTING CHAIRPERSON (Ms R M M Lesoma): Hon Minister, I am
afraid, your time is up, Mme.
The MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY FOR WOMEN, YOUTH AND PERSONS
WITH DISABILITIES: Thank you very much.
Sepedi:
A re swari?aneng, bomma le bontate. Tsela ye e thata, fela mo
re iteret?ego bo?aedi gona, a re bo loki?eng. Ke a leboga
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Debate concluded.
The mini plenary session rose at 18:19.
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