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Date of Meeting: 15 Nov 2018
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THURSDAY, 15 NOVEMBER 2018
PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
The House met at 14:00
The House Chairperson Ms A T Didiza took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayer or meditation.
EXTENSION OF DEADLINE FOR THE FILLING OF VACANCIES IN THE COMMISSION FOR GENDER EQUALITY
(Draft Resolution)
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: House Chair, we move that this House extends the deadline by which the Ad Hoc Committee to identify suitable candidates for the filling of vacancies in the Commission for Gender Equality has to complete its task to 28 February 2019.
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Declaration of Vote
Ms D ROBINSON: Madam House Chair, while we support the extension of the deadline I must express the concern that this whole process has been done in such haste. We have known about the need for new commissioners to be appointed for how long?
Now it is being rushed at the last minute and it is part of this whole disorganisation of Parliament where legislation and whatever is being pushed into a sausage machine.
We cannot afford the luxury of looking the other way when it comes to the Commission for Gender Equality - one of the most important Chapter 9 organisations.
While we support the changing of the date just to make it work, we cannot accept the fact that Parliament seems to pay little attention to the Commission for Gender Justice, in fact, in recently wanting to close it down. However, it should not have been left to the last minute by the Office on Institutions Supporting Democracy, OISD.
It is important that we move with the utmost speed regarding the appointment especially considering some positions are
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coming to an end in December. Looking at the high rates of femicide and gender-based violence in our countries, we need to make this a high priority for this Parliament.
The Total Shutdown Movement expects us to respond with urgency and empathy; they have been getting very demanding and very active. The plight of women and children is something that this government should be taking to heart.
For how long have we been calling? Ever since I have been in this Parliament and so far, very little has been done. The non-profit organisations, NGOs, South African Police Service, Saps, the Justice department and government itself must take the plight of women and children into serious account.
Our commissions are the most important institutions apart from the Justice department and Saps. We need these commissioners as of yesterday. Please let us not undermine women and children; let us give them the support they need.
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Human rights are also sadly neglected in this country. Our mothers, daughters and grandchildren cannot be left unsupported. Thank you. [Applause.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPRSON (Ms A T Didiza): Thank you very much hon member. Are there any other requests for declarations? There are none.
With those comments, I just want to concur with members that yesterday in the Chief Whips Forum this matter was reflected upon as well as in the NAPC this morning. I am sure such will not happen again. Therefore, no objections agreed to.
Motion accordingly agreed to.
CONSIDERATION OF REQUEST FOR APPROVAL BY PARLIAMENT OF EXTRADITION TREATY BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA AND THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES (SIGNED 25 SEPTEMBER2018)
CONSIDERATION OF REPORT FOR APPROVAL BY PARLIAMENT OF TREATY BETWEEN THE GOVERNMENT OF THE REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA AND THE
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GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES ON MUTUAL LEGAL ASSISTANCE IN CRIMINAL MATTERS (SIGNED 25 SEPTEMBER 2018).
There was no debate.
Ms M R M MOTHAPO: House Chairperson, on behalf of the Justice and Correctional Services Portfolio Committee, I hereby present these reports which were unanimously adopted by the portfolio committee to this hon House for approval of the ratification of the extradition and mutual legal assistance in criminal matters treaties between the Republic of South Africa and the United Arab Emirates.
In terms of section 231(2) of the Constitution of South Africa, the Portfolio Committee on Justice and Correctional Services, having considered the request that Parliament approves the ratification of the Extradition Treaty between the Government of the Republic of South Africa and the Government of the United Arab Emirates, which was duly signed on the 25th of September 2018 by the Minister of Justice and his counterpart from the United Arab Emirates, recommends that
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the House approves the ratification of the treaty in terms of section 231(2) of the Constitution.
The report of our Committee on Justice and Correctional Services on the Agreement between the Government of the Republic of South Africa and the Government of the United Arab Emirates on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters also signed on the 25th September 2018, tabled in terms of section 231(2) of the Constitution of 1996, dated 7 November 2018.
The same report was also unanimously adopted by the portfolio committee on the same date and this is an indication to the rest of the world that South Africa will not be a safe heaven for criminals. It is therefore recommended that Parliament approves the ratification of the said treaties. Thank you.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): I will present the two treaties one by one for purposes of adoption, even though they were tabled together.
Are there any objection to the approval of the Extradition Treaty between the Government of the Republic of South Africa
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and the Government of the United Arab Emirates, as it appears in the Order Paper? No objection, agreed to. A declaration has been requested, I now recognise hon Breytenbach.
Declarations of votes:
Ms G BREYTENBACH: House Chairperson, hon members, international law is viewed as one of the pillars constitutional democracy. South Africa found itself in the global world where crime has assumed and increasingly transnational character. With international criminal activity giving rise to institution such International Criminal Court.
South Africa participates in these in order to avoid the perception that our country is the safe heaven for international criminals; and in this vein we continued to provide assistance with the investigations and prosecution of crime, in form of mutual legal assistance or extradition.
This has naturally led a body of jurisprudence on these issues that have shaped the law in this regard. With the international crime on the increase, suppressing the commission of criminal activities while upholding the rights
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of offenders necessitated the legal process to acquire jurisdiction over such offenders.
A decision whether or not to hand over the offender and the method used to hand the offender over lies in the hands of the requesting state with procedures in place to deal with the handing over. The general basis of extradition is treaty reciprocity or comity, international committee of those actions between states rest solely on good will and courtesy.
The DA welcomes the signing of extradition treaty with the United Arab Emirates. We know that several high profile figures and read here the Guptas that have looted and plundered our countries’ fiscals have taken refuge in United Arab Emirates, UAE.
This treaty will ensure that there is now one less place for them and other criminals like them to hide from justice.
Similarly, cross border and international crimes have made it necessary to strengthen the major of punishing offences committed on an international scale. Such crimes are notoriously difficult to investigate and prosecute. The
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suspect, the victim, the principal evidence, the principal witnesses and other experts and the process of crime do not normally under the authority of the country concerned.
Transnational criminality has travelled globalisation but nationalism mechanism for co-operation between statistics has not kept up. They lack cohesion and are often ineffective.
Section 27 allows ... [Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Hon members, can you please converse a bit quietly, you are drowning the speaker on the podium. Order!
Ms G BREYTENBACH: Section 22 also empowers the President to enter into agreement with any foreign state with provision of mutual legal assistance in criminal matters. South Africa is one of the 14 signatories to the Protocol on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters and these calls upon member states to conclude protocols in areas of co-operation which include peace and security. This requires the widest possible measure of mutual legal assistance in criminal matters.
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It is part worrying that there are reports that the UAE last week sent back South Africa’s request for mutual legal assistance, because it was not drafted according to United Arab Emirates protocols. Such incidence must be avoided in future to allow South Africa to draw full advantage from this treaty, in order to bring criminals such the Gupta family and their associates to a speedy justice.
The DA welcomes the signing of this Treaty of Mutual Legal Assistance, it must be passed so that international criminals can prosecuted to the full extent of the law and not safe heaven remain to those fleeing from justice. Thank you.
WELCOMING OF GUESTS FROM ZIMBABWE, KENYA, UGANDA, TANZANIA AND THE DRC
(Announcement)
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Hon Mente, maybe before you speak, I would like to welcome our guests in the gallery who are here in South Africa, attending the advance leadership academy here in Cape Town.
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These are representatives of faith based communities from Zimbabwe, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania and the Democratic Republic of Congo, you are most welcomed.
I also want to welcome other members who are also here; unfortunately I have not been informed about the institution from which they come. In terms of the rules of our Parliament, you are not to participate in the debate that happens here or even clap if something is exciting, you can just watch, smile and appreciate the conversation of the Parliament. Thank you very much, you are most welcomed. [Applause.]
Ms N V MENTE: House Chairperson, the EFF welcomes both the Extradition Treaty and as well as the Treaty on Mutual Legal Assistance on Criminal Matters between South Africa and United Arab Emirates. This will pave the way forward for a tighter co-operation between these two countries to ensure that there is no heaven for wanted criminals.
These treaties come a particularly important time for the rule of law in South Africa, where thugs are running amok stealing
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and destroying institutions of democracy and then running away to Dubai.
We hope that as a matter of urgency the government of United Arab Emirates will arrest the Guptas brothers who are fugitives from the justice in South Africa and send them back here so that they can answer for their crimes.
We know that the Guptas brothers are watching this process closely and that they will surely want to elope from Dubai before this comes into effect. We therefore urge the government of the United Arab Emirates to arrest those criminals immediately to ensure that they don’t escape.
Together with their godfather Zuma, the Guptas and all those involved in the Zupta criminal network must be arrested and tried for taking our country for granted and for looting our state fiscals with their friends, some of them sitting here. Thank you.
Inkosi E M BUTHELEZI: Thank you very much, hon Chairperson. Agreements such as the two treaties we are dealing with today
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signals South Africa’s growing return as an upstanding and responsible member of the international community. It is therefore important that we work together as a global community of nations in the fight against crime wherever it may be found, as each and every sovereign nation is vulnerable and rides upon the good neighbourliness of its fellow sovereign states to assist in the prosecution of crimes committed within its boundaries.
Global public security and the rule of law must be upheld, and this is where the importance of treaties such as the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court Act becomes so relevant and important, as well as the above bilateral treaties with regard to the extradition and mutual legal assistance in respect of criminal matters.
Grand corruption is at the heart of much of organised crime and it is in this vein that, while supporting the above two treaties, the IFP also calls for and supports the ...
{Inaudible.] ... of specialised domestic, regional and international anticorruption courts.
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There should be no place to hide for any criminal who has perpetrated crimes in South Africa. The IFP supports the report.
Mr S C MNCWABE: Thank you, hon Chairperson. With regard to the extradition treaty between South Africa and the UAE government, the NFP welcomes this treaty which seeks to grant each party to this agreement the widest measures of mutual legal assistance in criminal matters. We have also noted that the parties shall provide, in accordance with the provisions of the treaty, mutual legal assistance to each other in respect of the investigation, prosecution and other proceedings related to criminal matters.
According to article 3 of the treaty, we note that this mutual legal assistance includes, amongst other things, providing documents or statements of persons; locating and identifying a person or items in question; measures to locate, restrain and forfeit the proceeds of crime; and transferring persons in custody for testimony or to assist in investigations.
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The NFP supports the approval of this treaty on the basis that it will give more strength to the rule of law in this country on international legal systems. In our view, the treaty will assist to address frustrations when an individual commits crimes in this country and then escapes to the foreign country, avoiding prosecution for such crimes. A good example here is that of Mr Shrien Dewani, a British national who killed his wife while on honeymoon here in Cape Town. It was a huge struggle at a huge financial cost to bring him back to South Africa to stand trial.
These kinds of treaties must be encouraged to be concluded with other countries as well. The NFP supports this treaty since it is not in conflict with any law of the Republic and the Constitution which is the supreme law of the land. We support the treaty and the report.
Mr S N SWART: Thank you, Chair. I join you in welcoming the Advanced Leadership Academy, Alac, delegates today and I have no doubt that their presence and prayers in the House today will result in a very peaceful sitting.
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The ACDP welcomes the signing and ratification of these two treaties with the UAE, and whilst they are not aimed at any individuals they will pave the way for the forced return to South Africa of the Gupta family that has been implicated in unprecedented state capture and corruption. This has been the subject of various inquiries, including that of the Public Protector, Public Enterprise’s Eskom inquiry and now the Zondo Commission of Inquiry.
As I have repeatedly said in this House, these inquiries do not and should not prevent or delay the institution of criminal and civil proceedings against those implicated, in particular the Guptas.
There’s also been nothing to prevent South Africa from requesting the extradition of the Gupta brothers and their associates while the country is still processing the incorporation of these agreements into our domestic law.
Those of us that served on the Eskom inquiry are fully aware that the Gupta brothers have shown nothing but contempt for
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various inquiries, particularly to this very Parliament during the Eskom inquiry.
Sadly, it has taken an inordinately long time for South Africa and the UAE to conclude these two agreements, with negotiations going back to 2002. During April 2016, when evidence about state capture was emerging, I raised my concerns in the Justice Portfolio Committee when we were discussing a double taxation agreement with the UAE. I was then informed that there were a few technicalities outstanding on the extradition agreement and it would be signed soon.
However, we now see the delays that have taken place. Two and a half years later we are eventually ratifying those agreements. Whilst it is alleged that those delays came from the UAE’s side, in our view there was no political will by the Zuma administration to sign those agreements. This is not surprising, given the central role that former president Zuma and certain Cabinet members played in facilitating state capture, which is of course the subject of these inquiries.
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The treaties will enable the two countries to assist each other in the investigation and prosecution of crimes through mutual legal assistance and the extradition of fugitives.
It is very clear that the Guptas are fast running out of places to hide. We were briefed that the Hawks and prosecutors are already engaging their UAE counterparts. The ACDP looks forward to seeing the Gupta brothers and all associates appearing in South African courts on fraud and corruption charges as well as the return of the looted billions of rand to South Africa.
Mr G J SKOSANA: Thanks hon House Chair and good afternoon to hon members. The ANC rises in support of the request for approval of the Extradition Treaty between the government of the Republic of South Africa and the government of the UAE, and the treaty on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters between the two countries, signed on 25 September 2018 in terms of section 231(2) of the Constitution of 1996.
The Minister of Justice and Correctional Services, hon Michael Masutha, signed the two treaties — the extradition treaty and
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the treaty on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters — on
25 September 2018 in Abu Dhabi after receiving authorisation from His Excellency President Cyril Ramaphosa to do so on behalf of the government of South Africa.
The extradition treaty reaffirms the parties concern about the magnitude of acts of international terrorism and organised crime. Essentially, the state parties to the treaty agree to extradite each others persons who have been charged for or convicted of an extraditable offence. These are offences which are punishable under the laws of both parties by ... deprivation of liberty for a period of at least one year or for a more severe penalty. A treaty of this kind is one which is founded upon respect for territorial sovereignty.
The treaty on mutual legal assistance desires to improve the effectiveness of both countries in the investigation, prosecution and suppression of crime through co-operation and mutual legal assistance in criminal matters. The treaty was guided by the relations between the two countries, recognising the need to facilitate the widest measures of mutual legal assistance in criminal matters. The treaty has a turnaround
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time of three months and will take effect once ratified. A treaty of this kind is one which is founded upon respect of territorial sovereignty.
Both these treaties are in line with the ANC’s position of enhancing international relations and friendship, particularly because we have social and economic relations with the UAE.
Amidst the aspersions cast and allegations by other parties that these treaties are as a result of the new administration, we wish to remind this House and the nation that bilateral agreements involve two states who need to reach consensus.
There must be a true meeting of the minds on all material issues such as language translations, and other technical details of the treaties needed to be agreed upon.
Consensus has been reached. Therefore, this step is a culmination of an eight year process which began with discussions between the two states in February 2010.
As the ANC we categorically state that these treaties are in our interest and we request that this House approve it. We
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also want to thank all the opposition parties for unanimously agreeing with this report. I heard them. They have supported this report even here, except that they did not mention that they want to thank the ANC for championing these matters as it is because of the ANC that this report served in the committee and that today we are serving this report in this House. So, members just forgot to say that. [Applause.] [Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Order hon members! Thank you very much. As I indicated earlier I was going to put the two treaties one by one. I put the first one. There was no adoption. However, I noted that as members were engaging in their presentations they were actually talking to two reports. May I officially put the second one? Are there any objections to the approval of the treaty between the Republic of South Africa and the government of the UAE on mutual legal assistance in criminal matters as it appears on the Order Paper?
Agreed to.
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Extradition Treaty between the government of the Republic of South Africa and the government of the UAE signed on
25 September 2018 accordingly approved.
Treaty between the government of the Republic of South Africa and the government of the UAE on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters signed on 25 September 2018 accordingly approved.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Madam House Chairperson, in terms of Rule 162, may we please advise the last speaker that he can thank the DA for being here because you don’t have a quorum today. [Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Order hon members! I think those discussions can happen elsewhere but thank you very much. Can we move to the Third Order? The secretary will read the Third Order of the day.
CONSIDERATION OF BUDGETARY REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION REPORT ON PORTFOLIO COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC ENTERPRISES
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The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: House Chair, I move that the Report be adopted. Thank you very much.
Declarations of vote:
Mr M BAGRAIM: Hon House Chair, the Department of Public Enterprise did not submit a request to the National Treasury for roll over funds for a period 2017-18 to 2018-19 financial year. However, the department did request additional funding during the 2018 Medium-Term Budget Policy Statement and 2019 Medium–Term Expenditure Framework, MTEF, for the capital injection of R1,74 billion and a staggering R21,7 billion and a R2,8 billion in respect of South African Express Airways, SA Airways, SAA, and Denel respectively. SA Express has been remaining a financial nightmare and over the last seven years suffered extreme financial and operational challenges. The answer is not to throw money South African can little afford at this problem. It’s time to find a buyer.
Falling over 13 failed turnaround attempts as many years, SAA remains financially crippled and the massive drain on the national fiscus. Despite the government providing SAA with a capital injection of R10 billion, the airline remains
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insolvent and has significant debt and liabilities that is unable to service. The answer is not to throw money South Africa can little afford at this problem. It’s time to find a buyer. Denel has reported that the company is currently insolvent. The company has no cash resources to repay its outstanding debts. The answer is no to throw money South African can little afford at this problem. It’s time to find another buyer. The Department of Public Enterprises cannot be used as a cash cow. South Africa can simply no longer afford it. Enough is enough! South African fiscus must be protected. I thank you. [Applause.]
Ms N K F HLONYANA: Madam Chair, all state-owned entities, SOEs, are collapsed by the ANC’s incompetence. It was the ANC deployees that looted SOEs resources and they started long before the Guptas. But, we are made to believe that they are angels and saints. They are good and bad, and the rotten part has been cleaned out. The reality is that we are witnessing consolidation of parallel state network that is being created by Minister Pravin Gordhan. It started at the SA Revenue Service, Sars, and was continued at the National Treasury.
Even when he has been fired by the constitutional delinquent
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Jacob Zuma, he came here to Parliament as a backbencher to continue with that project.
The removal of Siyabonga Gama from Transnet, especially after Transnet posted positive results and showed stability, is by Minister Pravin Gordhan’s modus operandi, without following due process or fair labour practices. We knew about the corruption at Transnet to expose the rot of the locomotive procurement and we even went to open a case at the Johannesburg Police Station. So, people must not come here and say when we are exposing Minister Pravin’s parallel state network, that we are defending corruption. When he was not popular to do so, we were exposing corruption.
As a pure free market fundamentalist Minister Pravin ...
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Order! Hon member, can you take your seat. Hon Minister?
The MINISTER OF HIGHER EDUCATION: The hon member has in your hearing; I don’t think you need to see Hansard, made very, very serious allegations against the member of this House
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without any submission of a substantive motion. I think this need to be part of a substantive motion and not an abuse of the podium. Thank you.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Hon member, in terms of Rule 85 as you know, you can’t impugn on the character of the member and if there are issues that you have, you can bring them in a substantive motion. I would ask you to withdraw.
Ms N K F HLONYANA: Chairperson, I am not going to withdraw my statement. [Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Order! Hon member, may I ask you to withdraw. I am not saying ... [Interjections.]
Ms N V MENTE: Order, Chairperson.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Order, hon Mente! Can I speak to the member?
Ms N V MENTE: It’s a generalisation. [Interjections.] It’s a general statement.
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Hon Mente, can you take your seat. The hon member specifically mentioned in a particular way, directed to Minister Pravin Gordhan and I am saying she must withdraw that, not her statement, but that section of her presentation.
Mr T RAWULA: Order, Chairperson.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Yes, what is your point of order?
Mr T RAWULA: Chairperson, it is the EFF view that Mr Gordhan is protecting certain faction within the ANC and is here to defend them. [Interjections.] That’s the view we hold, it’s a political debate we are making.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Hon member, can you please take your seat. I am going to switch off your microphone.
Mr T RAWULA: But we are making a debate. You are harassing the member. [Interjections.]
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Order, hon member. I am speaking to the member on the podium and asking her once again to withdraw that section that directly impugns on the character of the member. If she wants to bring a substantive motion, she can do so. Can you withdraw hon member that section?
Ms N K F HLONYANA: Hon Chairperson, I am not going to withdraw.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Can you then take your seat. [Interjections.] Leave the podium and leave the House. [Interjections.]
Ms N V MENTE: Point of order.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Hon Mente, what is your point order?
Ms N V MENTE: Chairperson, you did not hear what the member was talking to. [Interjections.] It’s a general statement. [Interjections.] I would have preferred you to go and listened
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to the Hansard and made a ruling later because it’s a general statement that was made there. [Interjections.] [Inaudible.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Can I respond to you, hon member with due respect. I listened to the member and in her statement she specifically inferred on Minister Gordhan running a parallel state on the side and also ... [Interjections.] Yes, she did and I asked her ... [Interjections.] ... that is why I said specifically, I am asking her to withdraw that part which impugned on a member, not her whole statement and she refused. [Interjections.] In terms of Rule 85 as you know, you cannot infer on the character of the member without bringing it on a substantive motion. [Interjections.] I asked the member several times and she said she is not withdrawing. She can excuse us in the House for today. [Interjections.] Thank you. Order, hon members! Order! Hon Singh?
Ms M S KHAWULA: Point of order, Chairperson.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): What is the point of order?
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IsiZulu:
Nk M S KHAWULA: Sihlalo, kungiphatha kabi la ukuthi sebebanga umsindo kanjena nje ngalo Pravin wabo.
English:
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Can you please take a seat hon member.
IsiZulu:
Nk M S KHAWULA: Cha, Cha, ayilungile lento abayenzayo.
English:
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Hon member, you can’t use those gestures in the House, otherwise I will ask you to leave.
Mr N SINGH: Hon Chairperson, it’s a lovely way of getting an afternoon off by saying something that I shouldn’t be saying here, but having said that sometimes I wonder whether consideration ... [Interjections.] ... I can’t hear myself.
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Order, hon members! Can you please allow those who are exiting the House to do so and allow the member to proceed with his statement? Can you proceed?
Mr N SINGH: Hon Chairperson, they have to adjust my time. Sometimes I wonder whether consideration of these Budgetary Review and Recommendation Report, BRRR, is just going through the motions - ticking the box exercise, because legislation requires us to do so. I am saying that advisedly, hon Chairperson. When you look at this report that we have compiled which I agree with, we have 22 recommendations here to the Minister of Public Enterprises. We have about 10 recommendations to the Minister of Finance. In this report, there is a history of recommendations that was submitted in 2015, 2016 and 2017. How many of them have been acted upon?
Virtually none and the department comes along and says it hasn’t done A, B and C. So, why are we doing this exercise? Yet, this Department of Public Enterprises is one of the most important departments when it comes to overseeing state-owned enterprises and it is common knowledge that the corruption that has been exposed and continues to be exposed, lies solely
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within the state-owned enterprises where individuals and companies considers some of the state-owned enterprises as the automatic teller machines, press a button even without a code and take away millions of rand. Now, if we are serious, this department really needs to step up its acts in ensuring that there is adequate oversight over these SOEs. I cannot say, hon Chairperson, and honestly, that they can say they will cover itself in glory in this regard.
Let’s look at SA Airways, SAA, SA Express and all the state- owned companies. What is happening at Denel? The first port of call and responsibility for oversight lies with this department. That is why this department is created. Maybe in the future and I have said it before, we must do away with this department and take all these state-owned enterprises and let them go back to departments and exist. But having said that, let’s give the current Minister and his new team a chance to try and correct the wrongs of the past. Hopefully with new board appointments and better oversight, these state- owned enterprises can become developmental agencies for South Africans. I thank you. We support the Report, Chair.
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Prof N M KHUBISA: House Chairperson, it is clear that State Owned Enterpises (SOEs) have become cash houses of certain individuals and those that are in the highest echelons of power and of course it seems corruption fraud endemic in SOEs. We want to give the hon Minister a breather so that he’d be able to turn it around with appointment of members of certain boards of SOEs. It has taken too long for these SOEs to be turned around and we find that there is not consequence management that meted against those who commit fraud and corruption.
Of course there are billions of rands that have been pumped into SAA. Now having said that but we seem not to be getting the results why is it so? Now having said that, there was a promise from CEO of SAA that within six months we’ll perhaps see a turnaround in the airline but seemingly things are going on but there is no change whatsoever. Having said earlier on, we need to give the Minister a breather so that he’s able to turn the SOEs around. SOEs are supposed to be creating jobs for our people, ensuring that it contributes to inclusive economic growth but that has never been the case.
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The NFP will then call on the government to clean up the SOEs and we also heard from the Minister of Finance that SOEs will be reconfigured. Perhaps we need clarity or explanation of the term “reconfiguration,” we’ll await that as well. Having said that Chairperson, the NFP will support the budget, thank you.
Mr N L S KWANKWA: Hon House Chair and hon members...
IsiXhosa:
... bandiphatha kakubi ngenene, baxelele Sisi Thoko; la masela.
English:
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Order hon members, it does not make two wrongs to make a right.
Mr N L S KWANKWA: When the robustly developmental role of state-owned enterprises, SOEs, were developed and implemented, it sought to drive industrialisation and the racial transformation of the economy.
IsiXhosa:
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Ndicela nibuyise ixesha lam ke.
English:
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Yes, we will do so. Can you take your seat? Hon members, can you please not use unparliamentary language? Do not say he is the one because it is you who started and that is why I had to caution you. He responded and that is why I had to talk to him that two wrongs do not make a right. Can we please be in order?
The MINISTER OF HIGHER EDUCATION: Hon House Chair, on a point of order: I am rising on a rather different point. Hon Chairperson, the hon Kwankwa from the podium referred to you:
IsiXhosa:
Sisi Thoko baxelele.
English:
I thought we refer to each other as hon Chair or hon members. [Interjections.] Could we please all observe?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Yes. Thank you.
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IsiXhosa:
Mnu N S KWANKWA: Hayi yhuu, nguNotshe lowo.
English:
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Thank you hon member.
Mr N L S KWANKWA: No, this is an African Parliament and I beg to differ, with respect.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Hon Nkwakwa, for now we have not agreed that this is how we refer to each other in the House. We had, in the rules, agreed that if members do not feel comfortable by saying honourable, they will say Mr, Miss or Mrs. Can we observe the protocols?
IsiXhosa:
Mnu N L S KWANKWA: Mam’uThoko, ndiyabulela. Tyhini Bawo! Ixesha lam liza kuthini, Sisi Thoko?
English:
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Your time will be managed can you just please come to the protocols?
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Mr N L S KWANKWA: So, must I withdraw Sisi and Mama? I want to understand.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Just say, House Chair.
Mr N L S KWANKWA: I said House Chair.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Thank you very much, you may proceed.
IsiXhosa:
Mnu N L S KWANKWA: Ndiyabulela kakhulu Sisi. [Kwahlekwa.]
English:
Ms N V MENTE: Hon House Chair, on a point of order:
IsiXhosa:
Sihlalo weNdlu, noko ndiyanqanda, awukwazi ukukhupha isiXhosa sethu ePalamente.
Mnu N L S KWANKWA: Heke, mxelele.
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Nks N V MENTE: UMama noMrs yinto enye leyo kwaye uSisi noMiss naye yinto enye. Ngoku uza kukhupha isiXhosa sethu kufuneke ukuba sikhumshe? Hayi! Asiyanga kaloku thina kwezi zikolo zabelungu Sisi Thoko, sincede musa ukusicinezela. Hayi andivumi.
English:
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Hon member, please take your seat. Can I advise you? In our own languages there is a word that refers to hon member. You can say mhlonitshwa or mhlonipheki, as I always do so from this podium. None of the Presiding Officers have actually used those languages. It is free for Members of Parliament, if they want to use those phrases to be used, to do so in the rules. There is a Rules Committee and that is allowed. Order hon members, can you proceed hon Kwankwa?
IsiXhosa:
Mnu N L S KWANKWA: Sisi Thoko, nguNotshe intombi kaNtoshe, eNgcamngeni phantsi...
English:
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Hon Kwankwa, Kwankwa, can we please proceed with the report that we are discussing properly? Let us not just have spurious points of orders. I have made a Ruling and let us proceed. Hon Rawula, what is your point of order?
IsiXhosa:
Mnu T RAWULA: Ingxaki yam apha...
English:
...you are setting a precedent. We have been always refusing to call members of the ANC honourables. Instead of calling them honourables we call them Mr so and so. So, when we say Mama, it is equal to say Mrs. Now, you are distorting the Rules of Parliament. [Interjections.] If I do not want to call you mhlonipheki...
IsiXhosa:
... ndinelungelo lokuthi Mama. Hayi Sisi...
English:
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... you are distorting the Rules of Parliament. Please you must withdraw from the chair. [Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Hon members, I have advised that if members so wish to make amendments in our rules and be explicit, that can be done in the Rules Committee. I do not think we should waste our time in that respect.
Mr P D N MALOYI: Hon Chair, I am addressing you in terms of Rule 92(11) that:
The Presiding Officer’s ruling is final and binding, and may not be challenged or questioned in the House.
Now, members know what to do. I am saying this because they are continuously debating your ruling and that is in violation of the rules of this House. Thank you, Chair.
Mr S C MNCWABE: Chairperson, there is a precedent in this House that MaKhawula has been called like that even by the Presiding Officers. She has never contested that. If what you
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are saying is correct it means that MaKhawula has never been honoured in this House. I think your ruling is not consistent Chairperson.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Dididza): Thank you very much. Hon members, for now I have made a ruling, let us proceed. As I have indicated that we will ask members of the different parties to address that issue even the one of calling hon Khawula Mam’uKhawula. Can you proceed, hon member?
Mr M HLENGWA: Hon House Chairperson, I would like to make a request that instead of taking this to the Rules Committee that you go back and make a considered ruling so that members can form a basis of how they will approach the Rules Committee. Quite frankly, I do not believe that your ruling is correct. I am not debating it but I am requesting that you come back to the House with the configured ruling which we will use as a basis to approach. It will be unfortunate that
...
IsiZulu:
... la eNdlini sigcindezela izilimi zase-Afrika sibe sithi ...
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English:
... we must decolonise the education.
IsiZulu:
Kwenzeke la eNdlini. Cha, ngeke Sihlalo.
English:
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Okay thank you very much, hon member. Hon Kwankwa can you proceed?
IsiXhosa:
Mnu N L S KWANKWA: Sisi Thoko, ndicela nililungise ixesha lam. Asoze mna ndiyenze loo nto Sisi ngesiXhosa. Bendithetha isiXhosa sasemakhaya apha ngoku bendisithi nguNotshe intombi kaNtoshe eNgcamngeni phantsi kweNtaba kaNdoda. Andikwazi tu ukungathi sisi, sozee.
When the robustly developmental role of the state-owned enterprise, SOEs was developed and implemented it sought to drive industrialisation and the racial transformation of the economy while ensuring that SOEs remain financially stable. Fast forward to 2018 SOEs have become a major drain on the
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fiscus due to the corruption, mismanagement and the ANC-led government’s cavalier attitude to fiscal rectitude.
Today, our SOEs require bailout left, right and centre. I mean if you look at our SOEs, most of them have been turned around several times over the past few years but none of them have turned. In fact, you feel like they are moving around in a traffic circle. Look at SA Airways, SAA, how many times have we bail out SAA? We continue to bail out SAA. From where we are seating, SAA is beginning to rapidly look like a vanity project that the national government does not want to let go of.
The fact of the matter is if we do not deal with governance issues; we make sure that there are consequences for people who run these SOEs to the ground. This problem is going to recur and it requires leadership. We are only supporting this report because some changes have been made, firstly, at management and governance level and secondly, we want to see whether there will be improvement or not in future. So, we support this report grudgingly because...
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IsiXhosa:
... siza kutshintsha ingqondo zethu ethubeni. Siyabulela.
IsiZulu:
Nk M S KHAWULA: Uxolo Sihlalo! [Ubuwelewele.]
English:
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Order! Hon member, what is your point of order.
IsiZulu:
Nk M S KHAWULA: Sihlalo, nginephuzu lokukhalima okuphambukayo. Yazi kukhona la into engiyithandayo, le yokuhloniphana. Kodwa kukhona lana ukuthi lento, engizofuna ukuthi ngelinye ilanga niyibheke. Uyabona lana sibizana ngomhlonishwa, omhlonishwa, kuthiwa siyahloniphana kodwa uma ngabe sekukhona elinye ilungu la elishonile akukho la okukhombisa ukulihlonipha ukuthi beliyilungu elihloniphekile, nizwa nje ukuthi lishonile, anazi nokuthi lingcwatshwe kanjani, aniliniki nalento ekuthiwa umngcwabo wombuso, asifani. Manje yindaba nani nilokhu nithi thina sihloniphekile, sihloniphekile, kodwa anikwazi ukuyibheka lento? Kuyimanje sinamalungu ashonile kodwa
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asitshelwanga, asazi nokwazi, ubona ngoba usuthola ukuthi lishonile. Ngezinye zezinto okumele nizibheke zonke lezo uma nilungisa imithetho. Ngiyabonga. [Ihlombe.]
Mr S N SWART: Mama House Chair, is that permissible? [Interjections.] The ACDP shares concerns expressed in the report about the deplorable financial state of the state-owned companies, SOCs, and, as we know, that is a direct result of mismanagement, corruption and state capture with billions having been looted and stolen. And whilst commendable steps have been taken to improve governance and the finances, clearly much more still needs to be done.
And I do wish to commend the members of Portfolio Committee on Public Enterprises for their courage in exposing state captured Eskom in the face of severe political pressure. This did not go unnoticed with the portfolio committee winning the Lead South Africa award of Changemakers of the year for 2018, well done to all those involved. And let us also not forget that R1 billion was recovered for Eskom from the McKinsey management consulting firm as a direct result of the portfolio committee’s Eskom inquiry. Regrettably however, we are still
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seeking to uncover the depths of fraud and corruption that occurred and the country – as we know – is facing the prospect of load shedding largely due to a number of coal contracts not having been renewed in time by Eskom or have even been cancelled to benefit the Gupta-related companies. And yesterday - even in this House – Minister Pravin Gordhan indicated that the two optimum coal conveyor belts that should be supplying coal to Hendrina Power Station are not running.
The question that needs to be asked is, why? And that is because of fraud and corruption and now coal has to be transported by road at substantial additional costs and this is disgraceful. The ACDP will however be considering this aspect and we will be supporting this report given the good attempts that have been made to improve the SOCs. I thank you.
IsiZulu:
Nk L A MNGANGA- GCABASHE: Mhlonishwa Sihlalo waleNdlu ...
English:
... the Portfolio Committee on Public Enterprises has considered the Budget Review and Recommendations Report, BRRR,
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in the context of the ongoing Commission on Inquiry into State Capture led by the Deputy Chief Justice, Raymond Zondo. Some of the testimonies to the commission have painted a disturbing picture about the capacity of state-owned enterprises, SOEs, to deliver on their mandates
The National Development Plan, NDP, places our SOEs at the centre of building, maintaining and expanding a core network of national economic infrastructure to address the demands of the growing economy. The NDP identifies that in the transport and energy sectors, dominated by state-owned enterprises, SOEs, the economy was being constrained by the inadequate investment and the ineffective operation and maintenance of the existing infrastructure. We are pleased that the department received an unqualified audit with no findings for the 2017-2018 financial year and maintained its performance level from the previous year. However, the widely varied financial performance of the entities within the Department of Public Enterprises’ portfolio is a cause for serious concern. It brings into question the department’s capacity to provide an effective shareholder management system and to support and promote economic efficiency within each of the SOEs.
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The portfolio committee has made recommendations in the previous Budget Review and Recommendations Reports, BRRRs, calling for the strengthening of oversight mechanisms on these critical SOEs. We have made similar recommendations in this financial year and added the urgent need for greater transparency and measures to mitigate the risks to the national fiscus posed by some of these entities. [Time expired.] We trust that the Minister and the department will act firmly and the ANC supports this report. Thank you.
Question put: That the motion moved by the Chief Whip of the Majority Party be agreed to.
Division demanded.
The House divided.
Voting
[TAKE IN FROM MINUTES]
Motion agreed to.
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Report accordingly adopted.
CONSIDERATION OF BUDGETARY REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION REPORT OF PORTFOLIO COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORT
There was no debate.
The Chief Whip of The Majority Party moved: That the Report be adopted.
Declarations of vote:
Mr M S F DE FREITAS: Chairperson, under this Minister of Transport, the transport sector continues to be in dire straits with its worst performance in four years. The Minister has demonstrated no leadership, as he does nothing to deal with critical issues.
The ridiculous tug-of-war between Transnet and the Passenger Rail Agency of South Africa, Prasa, continues, despite all parties agreeing that this situation is untenable, but there are no signs of change. Presently, there is over R1 billion in cross-invoicing. The road safety death figures continue to
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rise and be sky high, yet nothing is being done to fix this. In fact, strategies that do not speak to the causes of our high road carnage are being used in road safety.
The Prasa continues to be a service delivery disaster because the board is totally out of touch and sitting on its hands. No charges have been laid against corruptors within the Prasa and, conveniently, no state capture-like inquiries have been undertaken. Even the agreed upon investigation into the Prasa by the portfolio committee has been stymied. The South African
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Dr S S THEMBEKWAYO: House Chair, whilst we could spend our time debating the collapse of our public railway system and
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Prasa capacity, the government’s continued attacks on the taxi industry and its refusal to subsidise the industry, the
351 000 km in unpaved roads in the country or the exploitation of Über drivers, we will instead talk about an issue that we have raised constantly and that government continues to ignore or does not have the capacity to address.
This is the issue of public transport not being accessible to the disabled. Firstly, to ask a person in a wheelchair to try and access a train that is so full that people are sitting on the roof is madness. Secondly, disability is not limited to being in a wheelchair. What about the blind? What about those who are mentally disabled? For every South African, taking public transport has become a serious challenge, but the reality is that for those who are disabled, taking public transport, especially during peak hours, is basically impossible. The department’s decision to ignore this issue is illustrated perfectly in this Budgetary Review and Recommendation Report, BRRR.
The BRRR, in a short paragraph, mentions that access for those who are disabled is a problem, but no solutions are provided.
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Why is the department not holding proper consultations with those who are disabled? Why has there not been a greater allocation to make public transport more accessible for the disabled? Why are we not incentivising taxes to make ... That is why we reject this BRRR. Thank you. [Time expired.]
Mr K P SITHOLE: House Chairperson, the filling of critical positions in the department remains of great concern – Cross- Border Road Transport Agency, CBRTA, vacancies, in particular, as this process has under way since early June of this year.
Irregular expenditure is still not being constrained effectively, and there is still little or no accountability demanded of officials who are responsible for authorising such fruitless and wasteful expenditure. The supply chain management network is not properly capacitated with skilled personnel, as required by the positions they hold. Consequence management must be implemented for poor performance and the Aviation Transport Security Act recommendations must be fully implemented. Timeframes in respect of filing annual departmental plans, as required by law, must be complied with by the department.
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Our roads and seaport infrastructure is at the heart of what enables our economy to grow and thrive. E-tolls are a constraint to such growth. Why have they not been scrapped in their entirety? Port charges in Durban are 800% overpriced.
Why is this permitted? Transport must create the necessary infrastructure and enabling environment for the economy to thrive in South Africa, not bring down and be an impediment to such growth.
Subject to the above concerns, the IFP supports the BRRR. I thank you.
Prof N M KHUBISA: House Chairperson, this department has the mandate of maximising the contribution of transport to the economic and social development goals of society by providing a safe, reliable, effective, efficient and fully integrated transport system that meets the needs of the passenger and freight users. It has a duty to come up with a properly co- ordinated transport infrastructure, efficient and affordable to consumers and the economy, and ensure safety and security in all transport modes. All road users must act with
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circumspect at this time because it is the festive season. The department must focus on the existing zones.
The NFP supports the notion of intensified public participation on road usage. Provincial roads that are in a state of disrepair with potholes must be attended to. These also have the potential of creating thousands of jobs when they are worked on. We support the issue of cargo and other ship-building exercises. The Sanral has to strengthen matters of safety on trains. The Metrorail system needs a facelift.
However, we welcome the presence of police officers who will ensure the safety of passengers inside trains.
The NFP concurs with the portfolio committee that the Prasa board must ensure the finalisation and submission of the 2016-
17 annual report that is still outstanding within 60 days of the publication of the BRRR. This failure must not be repeated. Again, the matter of synergy pertaining to road safety is important for entities so that they do not work in cross purposes. Progress action plans by entities to address undesirable audit outcomes should be submitted as per recommendation. The NFP supports the report. Thank you.
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Mr A M SEABI: House Chair, let me state from the outset that the ANC supports the BRRR. Albert Einstein once said, “Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.”
The truth is that, for the past two-and-a-half decades, the ANC-led government has been at the forefront of developing infrastructure conducive for economic stimulation in South Africa. The ANC has committed itself to reversing the spatial inequalities and ensuring safe, reliable, and effective modes of transport to contribute to economic development. The ANC has noted the construction of high quality road infrastructure by the Sanral, which contributes to the creation of safer roads for South Africa. We note with pleasure that the current Prasa board has fulfilled its mandate of submitting its annual reports. This is a milestone towards achieving clean audits and bringing the agency back to normalcy.
We are however not oblivious to the challenges facing the Prasa, amongst others being unprecedented levels of attacks on its assets and infrastructure, as well as an increasing number of train accidents and level of crime within the rail system.
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We are encouraged by the commitment of the board, supported by the department, to attend to all these challenges and leave the Prasa better than they found it. In addition, the board has developed a get-on-track rescue plan that, if implemented, will see positive results. This is in light of the fact that the majority of the poor masses depends on trains as an affordable and accessible mode of transport.
The department is working on the growing concern – as highlighted by the Auditor-General – about the lack of leadership, financial stability, and governance in some entities. The appointment of new board members and filling of strategic leadership positions are being prioritised. We are confident also that the Sanral, with the support of the department, will speedily resolve the challenges of noncollection of e-toll fees.
Let me reiterate that the ANC supports the adoption of the report. Thank you. [Applause.]
Question put: That the motion moved by the Chief Whip of the Majority Party be agreed to.
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Division demanded.
The House divided.
[TAKE IN FROM MINUTES]
Motion agreed to.
Report accordingly adopted.
CONSIDERATION OF BUDGETARY REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION REPORT OF PORTFOLIO COMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE, FORESTRY AND FISHERIES
There was no debate.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: Chair, we again request that the House adopt this Report.
Declarations of vote:
Mr M BAGRAIM: Chairperson, a fish rots from its head. You can ask any fishermen and they will tell you how rotten the head of the Fisheries Department is. Fishermen have no trust in the
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department as it is corrupt and everybody wants “tjo-tjo” [bribe money.]
The first question that they ask is what is in for me. It seems like every person is running its own business within the department. If you are not connected to the right person, then you have no chance of getting a quota or a permit to do what you have to do for doing all your life.
Mr Desmond Stevens and Denies Frederics are a case in point. They have been named by the fishers as the most corrupt officials. Money and connection buys you a quota even if you have never fish in your life before. This is the perception out on the street, Minister, within the fishing community. The day have been turned into third class citizens and as soon as poor and indigent. They fight for survival everyday and for what they believe is their God given right to fish. It is common knowledge by the department own admission that poaching has become out of control and the perception is there that the department is working with the poachers and gangsters as they are gaining a benefit of the income from confiscated abalone
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and the fish to fill their budget. This also has a negative effect on our economy and food security.
Minister, this is unattainable and we believe that drastic action is required from you to root out the corruption and the corrupt officials. Clean up the department. You have the power. Your inability and unwillingness to do so might indicate that the fish really rots from its head. I thank you. [Applause.]
Mr T RAWULA: Hon Chairperson, there is general perception around the country that our agricultural sector is efficient, productive and enable to produce sufficient food for domestic consumption and for export. Nothing could be further from the truth. Our agriculture is characterised at best by huge monopolies. We have overtime started operating as cartels, dominating each and every aspect of agricultural production, process and sales.
This bolds ill for comprehensive development of the sector in a manner that benefits all inspiring farmers and produce food
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that will also ensure household food security, not just national food security.
We therefore, need to dismantle these monopolies as a matter of urgency if we want to provide any chance for the development of smallholder agriculture. This must be accompanied by legislative changes to allow for sub-division of agricultural land targeted promotion and support of smallholder agriculture, reintroduction of agricultural product marketing boards and tightening of restrictions on imports of goods that can be produced in the country. This will ensure that we also produce and protect the local economy in the agricultural sector. This requires a visionary and decisive state not the leadership currently provided. The Budgetary Review and Recommendation Report, BRRR, is the same as it has always been. There is no vision, no breaking ground thinking on revitalising our agriculture. The EFF rejects this report. Thank you very much.
Ms S J NKOMO: Chair, the Department of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries role in the country is to essentially feed the nation and manage the export and import of food. This can only
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be achieved when the department objectives are met in a proper and well managed manner.
The department is a key employment drive or through its key employment drive which it does through food processing, the value chain and it also has to work towards eliminating poverty and reducing inequality.
Farmers have to run up a steep hill because of competition with farmers from other countries who are subsidised by their government and ours are not. The attempts to provide assistance to small scale farmers and subsistence farmers as well as new entrance are so important in a way that we cannot ignore them any longer.
Our poultry farmers are in trouble because their businesses are sinking because of cheap imports that are being imported into our country from countries like Brazil, China and other countries.
Settled land claims also approving a bit of a problem where people are put into those lands and then they are not equipped
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on how to take care of the land. Let alone to farm in those land.
The department must come up with strategies that can revive those farms, especially the farms where people are put and they are not given anything to do.
Whilst the IFP supports this report, the IFP would like our concerns to be taken into consideration. I am giving this report on behalf of Inkosi Cebekhulu. Thank you. [Time expired.]
IsiZulu:
Mnu S C MNCWABE: Sihlalo ohloniphekile, ngivumele ukuthi ngiqale ngokuthi nje, mabawuyeke umhlaba wethu. [Ubuwelewele.] Sengishilo! I-NFP iwaweseka lo mbiko obekwe la ngaphambili namhlanje. Njengeqembu siyahlala kwikomidi leli lwezolimo, sibambe iqhaza ngenkathi lo mbiko wakhiwa, siwusekile khona namanje sizosho lokho ukuthi siwaweseka.
English:
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But we want to raise just few things, hon Chair. The instability in the critical position vacancies within the department is worrying. We share on the reservation of the portfolio committee that this impacts negatively in the performance of the department and its entities. If this department is not stable administratively, then food security can’t be guaranteed and this puts the future of the whole agricultural sector at risk.
Lastly, we also share on the recommendations of the committee that more funding must be given to this department and its entities since the department is much critical in assisting the emerging farmers, as well as guarantying us with food security.
IsiZulu:
Ukuze lo mnyango ukwazi ukuqhubekela phambili ukhiqize abanye abalimi, siyacela ukuthi imali yawo ithi xaxa ikhuphuke ngoba uma sizobuyisa umhlaba kodwa abalimi singabaqeqeshile siyoba nenkinga. Masiyifake imali kulo mnyango, siqeqeshe futhi abalimi bethu ukuze uma sebewuyekile umhlaba wethu, siwusebenze.
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Mr N L S KWANKWA: The suggested changes to the budget will not necessarily improve the socioeconomic impact that this department is expected to have on the poor people of South Africa. This is caused by several factors. Some of them are as follows: The overall management of the department has not improved at all since the end of the 2017-18 financial years with our relationships between the senior management and personnel having taken a turn for the worse.
This has been going on for over a year with no apparent and insight. As a result productivity has suffered. In addition, agricultural productivity has decreased and the focus suggests that the set targets will not be achieved by the end of the current financial year.
The department has acknowledged in its annual report that eight million people suffer from food and security but offers no concrete plan to alleviate this. As the UDM, we propose that the department needs to improve its planning capacity for the entire programme and project implementation because for the current production season, the department has to be coaxed
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in order to present estimated jobs to be crated as well as the project impact on food security.
We also say that enabling environment legislation rather needs to be fast track as its absent limits the department ability to carry out its mandate. Production must be accelerated on rehabilitated forest and agricultural land.
We also want to take this opportunity to support the portfolio committee’s recommendation that says that it must ensure that funds that are transferred by the Department of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries to the Land Bank for agricultural development are indeed in fact for that purpose. We support the report. [Time expired.]
Mr L M NTSHAYISA: Chairperson, Portfolio Committee on Agriculture has considered this report in accordance with section 55 and 56 of the Constitution of the Republic of South Africa, the Rules of National Parliament and section 5 of the Money Bills Amendment and Related Matters Act, No. 9, of 2009.
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This department is now expected to put food on the table. It is also now responsible now for food security and food safety so that people will not go hungry. The performance and expenditure of the Department of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries entities, like Agricultural Research Council and National Agricultural Marketing Council will also looked into.
According to the National Development Plan, agriculture is the primary economic activity in the rural areas. That’s why we always encourage the relationship between the traditional leaders and the ward councillors there so that we now achieve the required results.
One of the specific objectives is to engage the sectors, like inclusive rural economy in accordance with outcome number four and seven, whereby one million new jobs is expected to be created by 2030.
According to outcome number 10, there should be an increase investment in the new agricultural technologies and research. So, there is a lot of work to be done by Agricultural Research Council, ARC.
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To achieve outcome number seven, 1,6 million households are expected to be benefiting from food and nutrition security measures by March 2019, just before elections. Thank you very much. [Time expired.]
Ms M R SEMENYA: Hon Chair, the ANC recognise that agriculture is one of the key sectors to drive job creation and its primary economic activity in the rural areas.
We have engaged the department through their annual report and we have engaged the Auditor-General. We want to comment the department for the achievement of some of the Medium Term Strategic framework, MTSF, target, but we want to register the concern as outlined in the report that the department has to improve.
You know, the DA, the way they are, they are campaigning in this podium because they just raise concerns only, not raise the good things that the department have done. Let me remind honourable member who was here from the DA that this department in 2014 reported that we have only one VAT for fish. Today as we speak, we have five VAT in the sector.
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[Applause.] We came here to request that the Parliament must adopt the agreement of the CCTV.
What is happening today is that in South Africa, we are getting forty tons of tuners. Today, because of the agreement that was passed by this Parliament, we are getting 450 tons. So, this is the achievement. We acknowledge that there are problems. We want to mandate the department to resolve those challenges in the department and make sure that service delivery is achieved and our people receive the better services, particularly our small producers must get the service that they deserve. We want to say that, with regard to the ... The ANC support this report. Thank you very much. [Time expired.] [Applause.]
Motion agreed to (Economic Freedom Fighters dissenting).
Report accordingly adopted.
UNPARLIAMENTARY LANGUAGE
(Ruling)
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Order! Hon members, during the discussion of the Budgetary Review and Recommendations Report, BRRR, on the Public Enterprise, a point of order was raised following the reference by hon Kwankwa when he called the presiding officer, sis Thoko.
Indeed, terms of our rules it may not be a specific to the reference used, particularly in our vernacular languages. It only refers to hon, Ms, Mr or Mrs. In terms of Rule 82, it states that members must refer to each other in a respectful way. Given our multicultural society, the reference used may be regarded as respectful in terms of the rule, so as the phrases “mama and baba,” as the members have referred to at times, even we as presiding officers have referred so to mamu Khawula. However, in other jurisdiction, this may not be as clear and also, may not be regarded as parliamentary protocols.
As a society in transition, I think that it is important for all of us to find a way in which we can find one another going forward. It is for that reason that I will approach the Speaker as the Chair of the Rules Committee, to refer the
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matter to the rules subcommittee so that clarity can be raised to ensure that we are all guided appropriately on such matters going forward. Thank you. [Applause.] Can the secretary read the sixth order?
Sixth Order
CONSIDERATION OF BUDGETARY REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION REPORT OF PORTFOLIO COMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
There was no debate.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): I now recognise the Chief Whip of the Majority Party.
IsiZulu:
USOTSWEBHU OMKHULU WEQEMBU ELIBUSAYO: Sihlalo ngicela le Ndlu ehloniphekile ukuthi iyamukele lo mbiko wekomidi. Ngiyabonga.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): The motion is that the report be adopted. Are there any objections? There is an
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objection. I will now put the question. Those in favour will say aye.
Hon MEMBERS: Aye!
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Those against will say no.
Hon MEMBERS: No!
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): I think the ayes have it.
Mr M WATERS: Chairperson, the DA would like to make a declaration, please!
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms A T Didiza): Declarations have been requested. I now recognise the DA.
Declarations of vote:
Dr M J CARDO: Hon Chairperson, in so far as this Budgetary Review and Recommendations Report, it reflects the
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deliberations of the Portfolio Committee on Economic Development. The DA supports the report. However, in keeping with the new dawn, it is time for the sun to set on the Department of Economic Development.
When Department of Economic Development was launched in 2009, it was going to bring coherence to economic policy making and implementation across the state; it was going to promote inclusive growth and the department was going to reduce unemployment by accelerating job creation.
On every one of those indicators, policy coherence, economic growth and employment, Department of Economic Development has failed. This year, according to the International Monetary Fund, IMF, South Africa would be lucky to grow at 0,8%. In 2009, there were 6,7 million South Africans without a job.
Today, there are 10 million unemployed South Africans.
With every passing quarter, the National Development Plan’s 2030 targets of 5% growth, 11 million jobs and 6% unemployment fade further and further into the sun set. The Competition Commission which receives over R366 million in transfers from
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the Department of Economic Development’s R1 billion budget, was responsible for R128 million in irregular expenditure for the past two financial years.
The competition regulator has institutionalised an elaborate patronage network with lawyer and former Commissioner employee, Anthony Ndzabandzaba, at its centre. But the Minister refuses to see it and he refuses to do anything about it. Come 2019, the Department of Economic Development should be shut down and its budget and functions should be channelled to other departments. I thank you. [Applause.]
Ms N V MENTE: House Chair, this department is one of many in the economic cluster that is useless and should be combined with others, if and when the Cabinet’s size is reduced. But this should not undermine the importance and the role of the Competition Commission, because the South African economy is perpetuating the apartheid economy.
Since diamonds and gold were first discovered, the economy of the country has been dominated by monopolies. The financial sector is monopolised by four banks that controls 88% of all
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banking assets. The supermarket industry is monopolised by Shoprite, Pick n Pay, Spar and Woolworths who control more than 60% of the market.
Ninety percent of the oil refining market is controlled by only four companies. Telecommunication is monopolised; the construction company is monopolised and led to collusion in the industry; a handful of companies dominate the production and selling of bread which our people depend on, and Multichoice has more than 98% of the market share of the pay TV market.
The extent of these monopolies has often been covered by the Competition Commission, and more recently, the commission ruled that the 2013 deal between SA Broadcasting Corporation, SABC, and Multichoice constituted a murder. The work of the commission is of immeasurable value, but it must be given teeth and muscle not only to investigate and identify anticompetitive behaviours, but to break up the monopolies too.
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When this happens, we will support the BRRR; but until it happens, we will not support it. Thank you very much.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Thank you, hon member. I’ve been informed that hon Nkomo will make declaration from her seat. You may continue, hon member.
Ms S J NKOMO: Chair, at the onset, as the IFP, we applaud the department for its clean audit status. This should become the norm in all departments, with a mission to improve alignment between economic policies, plans of the state, its agencies, and government’s political and economic objectives are quite important, when one looks at the mandate of this department.
However, there are few areas which we would like to state as the IFP. This is the issue which affects especially, the deployment of people even by the President of the country. One would find that people are not really honouring the mandate of this department as it has been stated. Stable leadership is required; that is very important. However, this hasn’t happened in this department, for example, the Director-
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General’s position which has not been filled since 2014, that is become problematic.
We have been having acting DGs in a row; that is problematic as well. There are also critical vacancies that are still open. That is still a problem as well. It must be noted that the department has a myriad of projects as well as auto funds and entities. It is therefore important, that all of these issues actually conform to how things are done. However, the IFP is in support of this report. But we would like that the issues which we have raised to be taken into consideration.
Thank you.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Thank you, hon member. I now recognise the NFP.
Prof N M KHUBISA: Chairperson, thank you very much. The NFP welcomes the BRRR of the portfolio committee tabled here today. This department has a duty of coordinating all economic programmes and interventions for inclusive growth, the unblocking of blockages in the economy as well as the facilitation of dialogues with social partners.
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Of particular importance for the NFP is to ensure that the inequalities of the past are addressed. We want to see black industries taking their rightful position in micro and macro mega projects. We want to see the small and medium-sized enterprises, SMMEs, owned by the youth and women, getting access to those opportunities which were hither through reserved for a selected few.
The NFP therefore calls upon the Industrial Development Corporation, IDC, and other entities to level the ground that will make it possible for Africans to gain access to funding, in order for them to fund the already existing businesses and also cater for the new entrance by way of affording them the much needed equity, for them to start their own businesses.
For this reason, as the NFP, we shall unequivocal speak against any form of collusion that is done by shops, petrol industries, etc, and other companies and cartels who disadvantage the small businesses. We call upon the Competition Commission and Competition Tribunal to be wide awake, so as to deal with whatever anticompetition tendencies that emerges from time to time.
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We are aware that our economy has been negatively affected by technical recession. Our economy grew from 0,5% in 2016 to 1,3% rate in 2017, but it has since been downgraded.
Unemployment increased from 26,7% to 27,5% over the same period. These figures, therefore, necessitates that the department does its utmost best to create an environment that would be conducive to investor confidence and job creation.
The NFP agrees with the recommendation of the portfolio committee that this department must expedite the filling of the senior manager’s position. Also, the filling of the DG’s position should happen before the end of the financial year. The department should also strengthen partnership with National Treasury and the Department of Trade and Industry. The NFP supports the BRRR. Thank you. [Time expired.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Thank you. I recognise the ANC.
Mr S A TLEANE: House Chair, South Africa is currently going through the second phase of transition from apartheid, oppression and exploitation towards the creation of a true
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national democratic society. In this regard, the Portfolio Committee on Economic Development is, in terms of its constitutional mandate of oversight, legislative and the facilitation of public participation role supporting and guiding the Department of Economic Development which is working very hard to push back the frontiers of poverty, unemployment and inequality through its coordinating and facilitative roles.
The committee has scrutinised the reports of the department and its entities, and have appreciated the clean audit achieved by the department and its three entities, the IDC, the International Trade Administration Commission and the Competition Tribunal, except for the Competition Commission which received an unqualified audit outcome with findings against each performance.
The committee strongly recommended to the Competition Commission to take measures to improve its planning and budgeting capacity, so as to align its expenditure demands with available revenue and to implement all findings of the Auditor-General.
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The ANC supports this BRRR because the department is continuing to exact itself, utilising the IDC for creation and protection of jobs, as well as wealth ownership for our people, through its funding of new businesses, particularly, those belonging to women, the youth and the promotion of black industrialists.
We recommend that the IDC must do more to support and nurture the growth of businesses owned by people with disabilities.
The competition authorities continue to level the economic plain field by monitoring measures, acquisitions and breaking cartels. The Competition Amendment Bill which recently went through this House further opens the mainstream economy of our country to black entrepreneurs.
The ministry and department continue to remove blockages which prevent new investment opportunities and many jobs have been created in this regard. The ANC supports this BRRR. Thank you. [Time expired.] [Applause.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Thank you. Are there any objections?
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Hon MEMBERS: No.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): No objections. Agreed to.
Report accordingly adopted.
CONSIDERATION OF BUDGETARY REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION REPORT OF PORTFOLIO COMMITTEE ON ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS
There was no debate.
Declarations of vote made on behalf of the Democratic Alliance, Economic Freedom Fighters, National Freedom Party and African National Congress.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: Hon House Chair, we
move:
That the Report be adopted.
Declarations of vote:
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Ms J STEENKAMP: Hon Chair, the committee report states that the department should work closely with the Auditor-General, AG. Now, we absolutely agree with the statement. However, we are concerned because the same advice has been given to the department for the past few years and still there has been major regression this time around. Modified cash standards have still not been made even though it has been handed down to the department in the 2013-14 financial year. It is actually worrying that the Auditor-General’s report is filled with sentences like “I couldn’t find this; I was unable to determine that”. Yet, the committee’s report mentions phrases such as “the committee applauds the department” overall the committee is pleased with the department.
Now, I’m asking you, are we pleased with the 38% increase in elephant poaching in the Kruger National Park alone. Are we pleased that the AG found that the transactions with implementing agents we found not to be transparent, fair or equitable in accordance with the Public Finance Management Act? Are we pleased with irregular expenditure findings amounting to R115 million? Are we pleased with that the AG found that there are Expanded Public Works Programme, EPWP,
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workers in the Department of Environmental Affairs employed that doesn’t meet the criteria or they are double-dipping?
Therefore, the DA is committed to building one South Africa for all. A South Africa free from corruption and a South Africa that has very access to jobs and a South Africa that personifies freedom fairness opportunity and celebrates amazing and beautiful diversity. And it is therefore, that we cannot with a clear conscious support this report. Thank you. [Applause.]
Dr S S THEMBEKWAYO: Hon Chair, the environmental degradation, climate change and indigenous development practices are the greatest challenges facing human existence today. Rising temperatures, droughts and outbreak of diseases are all linked to the human induced and rapid degeneration of our natural resources. Therefore, all thinking about development should have at the centre entrenched notions of ecological sustainable development. Environmental considerations must permeate all policy development across all sectors of the state. This, the department has failed to do.
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It has failed to regulate the mining sector allowing for massive destruction of our national environment as they are now busy doing with the proposed mining at Xolobeni and the proposed wild coast N2 road construction. We need to hammer it into the heads of these leaders that development doesn’t have to meet destruction of the natural environment. The consequences of these decisions are to dare to event even to imagine. We therefore need to a few things urgently. We must increase the protected area network to ensure that all representative ecosystems unique to South Africa and preserved are protected. We must streamline environmental authorisation to ensure that the department of environmental affairs become the only authority for granting authorisations for mining, property development and other forms of development.
We must ensure that mining companies who left abandoned mines are forced to come back and rehabilitate ... [Inaudible.] mine landscapes. The EFF, therefore, rejects this Budget Review & Recommendations Reports, BRRR. Thank you, Chair.
Mr N SINGH: Hon Chairperson and hon members, with regard to the comments made by the hon DA member and the Auditor-
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General’s comments is really unacceptable that an accounting officer and his team cannot follow the recommendations of the Auditor-General. However, hopefully with the amendment to the Public Audit Amendment Act and the regulation that will come into place soon, then there will be consequent management for those accounting officers that do not comply with financial prescripts.
Having said that, hon Chairperson, with the Acting Minister of Environmental Affairs also being the current Minister of Tourism, one cannot backfill hopeful that President Ramaphosa is thinking seriously about reducing the unsustainable size of the current Cabinet inherited from his predecessor. This he could do by combining the Tourism and Environmental Affairs Portfolio Committees into one Ministry. That being said we as the IFP also hopeful that Minister Hanekom being the Minister of Tourism will be acutely aware of the damage that currently sanction than ... [Inaudible] ... from practices such as canned lion hunting and the lion bone trade, are having on bred South Africa and he will immediately bring an end to this unsavoury practices. However, more about this Chairperson, when we debate the colloquium report on environment next week.
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As you may know or not know in terms of the Paris agreement on climate change negotiated in 2015, countries had to submit intended nationally determined contributions, INDCs, as a prerequisite to entering negotiations. As a result, many were drafted in haste and our weak and water down in terms of what our country sets as target intentions and actions. What is required is for the department to draft domestic policy and regulations to ensure that we reduce greenhouse gas emission. We will support this report, but there is another work that needs to be done by this department. Thank you.
Prof N M KHUBISA: Hon House Chair, the mandate of this department is to ensure that the protection of the environment and conservation of natural resources balance with sustainable and climate change resilient development and equitable distribution of the benefits derived from the natural resources. This department must also ensure that it’s standing its efforts on the matter of rhino poaching and want to recognise the efforts that have been made on this era. A lot still has to be done on matters related to educating our people on gas pollution which comes with lung and nose elements, especially for those who reside next to the oil
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paper petroleum and gas firms. Efforts that have been made to align our country with other countries to the question of climate change are of crucial importance in education the nations on the subject.
Now, the NFP concurs with the recommendations of the committee that the SA National Parks, Sanparks, should develop a plan to address a whole host post with regard to post retirement and medical benefits. The NFP also concurs with the portfolio committee on saying this south board members from the previous board should be held liable for the R2 million as well as the additional irregular expenditure of R825 000 incurred in the 2016-17 financial year.
Having said that, this department also received the adverse audit opinion with findings, meaning that the Department of Environmental Affairs’ audit outcome has not improved or change relative to the previous year. This department perform badly when it cones to goods and services where the department entered into contractual agreement with various implementing agencies working for or on the programmes as part of the EPWP that administered it. It is noted that some parks obtained an
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unqualified audit opinion with material findings on the percentage growth in total number of local black visitors and percentage growth in the overnight local black visitors. The SA National Biodiversity Institute, SANBI, regressed and received the qualified audit as well. Having said that these are all is plethora of issues that the department must attend to. The NFP supports the budget. Thank you. [Time expired.]
Mr Z S MAKHUBELE: Hon House Chairperson and hon members, afternoon. The Portfolio Committee on Environmental Affairs had duly interrogated the annual reports, financial statements and the audit outcomes of the Department of Environmental Affairs and its four entities. Namely: the iSimangaliso Wetland Park Authority, SA National Biodiversity Institute, the SA National Parks and the SA Weather Service in the period under review. Having also scrutinised the respective quarterly reports of the said department and the four departmental entities, the committee notes that the department had been one of those well-functioning government departments for a very long time.
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However, it seems that the department has not fully recovered from the modified cash standards departure exemptions that it received in 2013-14. The exemption required adjustment of the department’s method in accounting for transactions with implementing agents as capital assets and goods and services, but mostly importantly a change of internal controls that should apply to Expanded Public Works Programme projects for which the department had been qualified in the past two financial years. The Auditor-General of South Africa provided an overview of the audit outcomes and other findings in respect of the environmental portfolio for the period under review.
However, the committee felt concerned that the Auditor-General reported that the quality of the annual performance reports submitted by the Department of Environmental Affairs and entities for the audit general retrogressed in terms of clean audits, quality or financial statements and quality of performance reports, findings on compliance with legislation and irregular expenditure.
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The committee is further concerned by the fact that the department received adverse audit opinion with findings, meaning that the Department of Environmental Affairs’s audit outcome and findings have not improved or changes relative to the previous financial year. The basis for the adverse audit opinion with findings included, among others, goods and services where the department ... we are pleased with the turnaround strategy and we support the budget. We thank you. [Time expired.] [Applause.]
Motion agreed to (Democratic Alliance and Economic Freedom Fighters dissenting).
Report accordingly adopted.
CONSIDERATION OF BUDGETARY REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION REPORT OF STANDING COMMITTEE - ON FINANCE
There was no debate.
The Chief Whip of the Majority Party moved: That the Report be adopted.
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Declarations of Votes:
Mr R A LEES: Hon Chairperson, they can be no doubt that National Treasury forms a critical role in the running of the state. The transparency and the detailed information that National Treasury produce is of a very high standard, this is evident in the comprehensive Budget documents that are produced every year and the innovative reports that are produced.
One of these innovations is the fiscal risk statement that contains very valuable information about serious fiscal risks that face South Africa. There can be no member of this Parliament, government Ministers in particular, who can justifiably claim ignorance of theses risks, when they become reality, because no remedial action was taken.
The R85 billion annual debt redemptions, R670 billion government guarantees, R350 billion government guarantee to Eskom, R703 billion debt owed by state-owned entities, SOEs, R80 billion annual SOEs annual debt redemptions, R393 billion Road Accident Fund liabilities. The National Treasury annual report indicates that there were forty seven senior management
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level vacancies which must undoubtedly result in vulnerability as would appear to be the case with the forecasting division of Treasury.
It is critical that National Treasury should now feel vacancies and ethics positions and have the opportunity to rebuild its capacity to that it had before the vicious capture attacks that very nearly succeeded and brought Treasury to its knees. Thank you. [Time Expired.}
Ms N V MENTE: House Chairperson, we are not going to address the undue emphasis on technical issues by the Report, when there is a much bigger ideological and pressing matter about the nature and character of Treasury and the Ministry of Finance of this country.
There are people who go around claiming struggle credentials, claiming to be progressive, and claiming to be at the forefront of the transformation of the financial sector, but their actions have been the biggest stumbling block to transformation in the last twenty years.
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If anything, the Venda Building Society, VBS, matter has taught us is that, if you are black and in the financial sector you will be squashed. When a few people loot, the entire institution its systems, its history and its people will be collapsed without even been given a second chance by the very same people who claim to be leading transformation in the financial sector.
The VBS was one of the few spaces in the financial sector where black people had control. The Reserve Bank and National Treasury should have taken care of them.
THE CHIEF WHIP OF THE RULING PARTY: House Chair?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon Mente, will you just take your seat? Why are you rising, hon Chief Whip?
THE CHIEF WHIP OF THE RULING PARTY: Can the hon member take a question?
Ms N V MENTE: Oh, yes, bring it on.
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THE CHIEF WHIP OF THE RULING PARTY: Are saying as this Parliament or you for this Parliament that we must glorify looting by mass looting anybody at the VBS? Is that what you are saying?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon member?
Ms N V MENTE: You should have asked that question when Steinhoff was looted R400 billion. You should have asked that question when African Bank was looted and you saved it. You should have asked question back in before you were even in that seat when you have saved more than two banks by this own Parliament.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Order hon members!
Ms N V MENTE: Can I continue?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Continue, hon member.
Ms N V MENTE: The VBS was one of the few spaces in the financial sector where black people had control the Reserve
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Bank and National Treasury should have taken care of them. They should have given them preference. They should assist them to comply with the law and made that institution what transform to be a fully fledged black bank, but they didn’t. When it is white owned banks, they go out of their way to give them preferences and the very same people ...
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: House Chairperson?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon Mente, will you just take your seat, please? Why are you rising, hon member?
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: House Chairperson, will the hon member be prepared to take a question?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Are you prepared to take a question, hon member.
Ms N V MENTE: I don’t have time. Can I finish?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Order, hon members. Order! Continue hon member.
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Ms N V MENTE: When it is white owned, but you didn’t give me my time back.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): No, we stopped it. Continue hon member.
Ms N V MENTE: When it is white owned banks, they go out of their way. They give them preferences and the very same people have been rescuing the banks that they have collapsed without hesitations since the early nineties.
IsiXhosa:
Tata waseMpumalanga. Sithetha nje, kukho i-Ithala Bank no-Teba Bank kodwa uNondyebo weSizwe akabasanga so ukuba basebenza njani. Ndifuna ukuxelela ukuba mhla kwathiwa ezi bhanki ziyazika, imali isetyenziswe bugwenxa, uNondyebo weSizwe uya kukhupha umpoposho wokuba mazivalwe, zibhangiswe kuba kaloku zezabantu abantsundu.
English:
You don’t even care for a second for black people and you don’t empower them. [Time Expired.]
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Mr M HLENGWA: Hon House Chairperson, at the outset, let me say that the IFP supports this Report and we want to thank the team at National Treasury who under very difficult circumstances continue to do very important work.
Of course, there is the issue of the qualified audits opinion and the circumstances thereof are concerning and we understand that they are not their making of National Treasury and we hope that as a matter of urgency that will be sorted out.
Secondly, the IFP is concern at the fact that National Treasury continues to be undermined by many government departments and state-owned entities in so far as deviation and extensions are concerned. Some departments are not conducting themselves honestly and at times some of them are simply ignoring the advice which National Treasury is giving. So, this kind of behaviour where National Treasury regulations are ignored doesn’t augur well for sustainable financial management in this country.
On the issue of VBS, very strong lessons arise out of VBS and I think at the outset one of them is that we can’t on good
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faith stand here and reduce VBS to just being a black bank. It was a bank and it was looted by people at the expense of the poor people who didn’t have access to the services provided for by the mainstream banks and because their systems are relaxed, the mass looters found a soft spot and abused what was there for the majority of our people. Now, what must National Treasury do when it is thieves who go out of their way to steal things?
The final caution I just want to give, is that you have now deployed Pearl Bengu, the former chief executive officer, CEO, of South Africa Social Security Agency, Sassa, to Ithala Bank. Her track record will lend us with another VBS situation.
Remove her before she collapses that bank. I don’t know what you were thinking, but that kind of rational was wrong. I thank you, Chairperson. [Time Expired.]
Prof N M KHUBISA: House Chairperson, from the outset the NFP wants to state it that we support this Budget and once again questions are raised on financial accounting and supply chain management system programmes at National Treasury.
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The Auditor-General, AG, has identified challenges in various entities with 57% of them receiving unqualified audit opinion with findings. Many of them failed to comply with supply chain management prescripts.
Why is the National Treasury spend 98,3% of its Budget, seventeen only received 79, 1% of its performance targets. Once again, consequence management remains a concern. What is most disappointing is that National Treasury which is the custodian of all funds had incurred expenditure R769 million, with a further wasteful plus fruitless expenditure of
R69 million.
The poor oversight resulting in the collapse and looting of VBS bank again highlights the weaknesses in the oversight mechanism in place. The VBS model was the best community based empowerment model for our people, yet thieves and looters decided to collapse it.
The matter of Integrated Financial Management System, IFMS, system has not been dealt with adequately and those responsibly must appear and shouldn’t be off the hook. The NFP
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welcomes the inquiry into Public Investment Corporation, PIC. The billions of rand in illicit financial flows continue unabated and this must dealt with.
The weakness in SA Revenue Service, Sars, resulting in law compliance in company tax is a matter of concern. The recent revelations on Sars are a serious matter and we hope this will be attended to. The NFP supports the Budge. Thank you, Chairperson.
Ms T V TOBIAS: Hon Chairperson, the ANC supports the Budget Review & Recommendations Reports BRRR in advance. The section 216(1) of the Constitution requires government to be transparent and accountable and therefore National Treasury has always maintained this constitutional prescript and has always been an exemplary department as it relates to accountability.
During the current fiscal year, National Treasury spends 98,3% of its total Budget. We are also pleased with programme four, which deals with asset and liability management. This programme is consistently ensured that there is physical
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management and prudentially in relation to enforcement of our laws and especially when it relates to state-owned enterprises and 99,9% of this programme has been spent to address issues of state-owned companies.
However, in the same veil, we register our disappointment at SARS for its underperformance for collecting more revenue and to pay value added tax, VAT, refunds in good time and promise to do our work to hold its leadership accountable. In the same vein, we need to put on record that the National Treasury has not looted VBS. The VBS has been looted by individuals who received money in the form of gratuity, therefore we has made sure as the ANC that measures are taken to ensure that we correct this through the twin picks legislation to give the prudential authority power and mandate to change its Rules and be more intrusive in its oversight role.
As we continue, the President is going to commission a commission of inquiry on the Public Investment Corporation, PIC, therefore we shouldn’t put the horse before the cart on this matter and we will await the decision of the President. I thank you. [Time Expired.]
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Question put: That the motion moved by the Chief Whip of the Majority Party be agreed to.
Division demanded.
The House divided.
[TAKE IN FROM MINUTES]
Motion agreed to.
Report accordingly adopted.
CONSIDERATION OF BUDGETARY REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION REPORT OF PORTFOLIO COMMITTEE ON WATER AND SANITATION
There was no debate.
The Chief Whip of the Majority Party moved: That the Report be adopted.
Declarations of vote:
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Mr R T HUGO: Hon Chairperson, World Toilet Day will be celebrated on Monday, 19 November. However, many people in the Northern Cape, Free State and some other parts of the country still have to use bucket toilets. Twenty-four years after democracy, their dignity has not been restored. Like many South Africans, they were promised a better life for all by the ANC.
The ANC government has, instead, robbed our people of their dignity. The Department of Water and Sanitation is a department of going nowhere slowly ...
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Order, hon members!
Mr R T HUGO: ... with many municipalities still without water and proper sanitation, with a maintenance backlog and a leadership vacuum.
The Department of Water and Sanitation, in the period under review, failed to achieve the majority of its targets due to a lack of management and leadership.
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We hope that the President goes to visit the Giyani Water project on his thuma mina. He will take the former Minister Nomvula Mokonyane with him. She must tell the people of Giyani why they are still without water. She must tell the people.
All I want to say is that he ANC does not care about our people.
Afrikaans:
Die ANC gee nie om vir die mense nie. [Tussenwerpsels.]
English:
Die DA is the only party that has a plan to speed up service delivery, improve water regulation and build one South Africa for all. I thank you.
IsiZulu:
Nks M S KHAWULA: Ngiyabonga Sihlalo, hhayi mina angihambisani nalombiko ngiyawuchitha nje le-Brr, ngiyaxolisa. Inkinga yamanzi inzima kakhulu ebantwini abamnyama ikakhulukazi ... [Ubuwelewele.] ... lalelani bafowethu. Kufuneka nilalele.
Lapha eCape Town kunenkinga enkulu. Angazi ngempela ukuthi
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kungani abantu bakithi badlalwa ngabantu abamhlophe. La eCape Town amanzi wabantu abamnyama anqamuka ngehora leshumi ebusuku koze kube wusuku olulandelayo. Khona futhi la e-Cape Town amanzi wabantu abamnyama kuwadi 4 ... ngifuna ningilaleleni
... ngicela ulalele ungangiphazamisi. Amanzi abantu ayanqanyulwa ngenxa yezikweletu uma beyobuza ukuthi kungani na. Kuthiwa bakweleta izi-80 000 nezi-100 000 zamarandi [Ubuwelewele.] ... abantu abamnyama njalo bodwa labo.
Besengisuka ngiye eMdantsane, yinina njalo ANC ningajabuli kakhulu. [Ubuwelewele.] kuWadi 21 abantu bakhona abanawo amanzi kodwa ompompi bakhona, kusukela ngoJuni amanzi awekho. Ogogo nomkhulu abahola impesheni bakhokhiswa imali yezikweletu zamanzi ama-600 amarandi. Lenkinga yamanzi iyinkinga kakhulu ngoba kunesikole la esibizwa iSibeko Primary. Lesi sikole asinawo amanzi [Ubuwelewele.] Abantu bakithi bayahlupheka kakhulu ngoba nezikole uqobo zisenkingeni. Izingane zakithi kufanele ukuthi ngaphambi kokuba iyofunda esikoleni ithathe ibhakede iyokha amanzi emvuleni kodwa nina anikwenzi lokho. Le nto le kufuneka ngiyitshele abantu ukuthi ngonyaka ozayo bangazihluphi ukuvotela i-DA ne-ANC ngoba abanandaba nomuntu omnyama. [Ubuwelewele.] Salani kahle ningizwile kodwa.
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Mnu M HLENGWA: Lungu elihloniphekile angiqale nje ngokuthi njengomfana walaphaya eMfume kuWadi 115 eThekwini, emakhaya uma nje likelana noma kwabakhona ocasukayo ehhovisi lakhe lapho ehleli khona, amaviki amabili noma amathathu ayaphela amanzi singenawo. Umbuzo uthi: Abantu bakithi mabaphile kanjani uma ngisho izingqalazinsiza zikhona kodwa abantu bengawatholi amanzi. Ngibona ungazuthi kuyinhlekelele lokhu ukuthi noma sezikhona izinsizakusebenza kodwa amanzi awatholakali. Kodwa ke isizathu salokho siyacaca. Lungu elihloniphekile Ngqongqoshe Nkwinti ...
English:
... you are handed a poisoned chalice, because the corruption in the Department of Water Affairs ...
IsiZulu:
... inuka la emhlabeni ize ixaka uNkulunkulu emazulwini. [Ubuwelewele.]
English:
There are simply no controls whatsoever.
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IsiZulu:
Kufile nje.
English:
The issue is that there are no consequences.
IsiZulu:
Manje nonke nizohlala nje lapha nibuke uNgqongqoshe uNkwinti ningakabheki laba obekukade nifanele ukuthi niyababheka.
English:
Why do we continue to harbour people in Cabinet who have failed our people?
IsiZulu:
Giyani inkinga, uMhlathuze-water inkinga uyibange kwaNongoma iyasabeka, abantu amanzi abanawo. Ama-entities wonke anenkinga yokuthi nje ...
English:
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... corruption is the alpha and omega of the operations. So, we can come here and lament and lament and lament and lament, but the issue is the absence of consequences.
IsiZulu:
Ngakho ke Ngqongqoshe xosha abantu, xosha nje abantu sizokweseka thina ngoba ...
English:
... that is the right thing to do.
IsiZulu:
Besezilunge izinto zilungele ...
English:
... people who are fit for purpose.
IsiZulu:
Lo okhuluma ngeNkathi, heyi iNkatha yayiletha intuthuko. [Ubuwelewele.] Ngakini lapho kukhona iNkatha ... [Kwaphela isikhathi.]
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IsiZulu:
USolwazi N M KHUBISA: Ngiyabonga Sihlalo, udaba lwamanzi luwudaba olubaluleke kakhulu kanye nokuthutha kwemfucuza. Lunezindawo ezweni lakithi ngempela ezinesimo esibucayi. Ngqongqoshe kuke kwathi kulempela viki ngathola iphepha i-City Press uma ngilivula ngemuva kukhonjiswa esinye isikole lapho izingane zikhonjiswa ziyozikhulula khona esimweni esibucayi ngendlela emangalisayo. Engazi ukuthi ke mhawumbe uMnyango usebenzisana nalo wezeMfundo Eyisisekelo kanye nalowo kaCogta, kukhona okufanele kwenziwe ukuthi kulungiswe ukuze abantu bakithi babuyelwe yisithunzi nezikole zethu futhi zibuyelwe yisithunzi.
Kodwa okunye futhi esicabanga ukuthi kufanele kwenzeke ukuthi ke sibale kahle ukuthi amadamu esinawo lapha ezweni lakithi mangaki njengoba sengishilo ukuthi udaba lwamanzi udaba olubucayi kabi. Kufuneka siwabale ukuthi mangaki ngoba kukhona abantu abanamalayisense amadamu uthole sebedayisela abantu amanzi. Hamba uye ezindaweni ezifana noMkhanyakude uthole ukuthi kunedamu elikhulu lapha kodwa abantu abasizakali amanzi ekhona emaningi. Ushone nakwezinye izindawo uthole ukuthi uyedwa umuntu ophethe ilayisense yamanzi abantu bengasizakali.
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Leyonto kufanele iqedwe ezweni lakithi. Ngicabanga ukuthi kuzoba ngumsebenzi obalulekile okufanele wenzeke ukuze isimo silunge ezweni lakithi. Ngicabanga ukuthi kuzoba umsebenzi obalulekile okufanele wenzeke ukuze isimo silunge ezweni lakithi. Uhambe ezindaweni ezifana noNgoye uthole ukuthi abantu babanga amanzi nezinkomo isimo esibucayi okudala izifo ukuthi zibhebhetheke zande ezweni lakithi. Udaba lwamanzi isimo esibucayi kabi. Bese ukuthi kulezi zindawo lapho kunemikhukhu khona uma ufika khona uyabona ukuthi isimo sibucayi. Ngiyazi ukuthi lolu daba okufanele lumelwe uMnyango lo osebenza ngezindaba zezindlu. Kodwa ke ngiyacabanga ukuthi noMnyango uyolekelela ngoba uhulumeni usebenza kanjalo phela ukuthi kubanjiswane imiNyango ukuthi isebenze ngendlela yokuthi ibambisene. Lezinto nje kufanele sizibeke Ngqongqoshe ngoba isimo ufike sonakele kakhulu eMnyangweni. Ziningi izinto ezingalungile noMcwaningi-Mabhuku waze wabuza ukuthi: Ngabe loMnyango ...
English:
... is technical insolvent ...
IsiZulu:
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... uzobheka nje ukuthi ...
... there is an irregular expenditure of R1,6 billion, unauthorised expenditure of R5,26 million, liabilities record R19,3 billion and a further commitments of R7,1 billion.
IsiZulu:
Nokunye nokunye, kuningi okonakele eMnyangweni. Kunalokho kodwa siyawuxhasa lo mbiko ukuze uqhubeke usebenze ufake isiswebhu kubuyele esimeni. Ngiyabonga.
IsiZulu:
Nk M S KHAWULA: Uxolo weSihlalo, ngiyabonga Sihlalo, hheyi ngiyanithanda ave ninenhlonipho. Cha, bengithi ngifuna ukulungisa angalokhu ethi kunedamu iMakhathini-flat ukuze azi uNgqongqoshe omusha. Laphaya abelungu badlala khona lomdlalo omusha okuthiwa yi-Idibala. Ngiyabonga.
Mr M JOHNSON: Chairperson, on behalf of the committee, I present this unanimously adopted report for adoption, with all its 17 recommendation. We also wish to thank the hardworking officials of the Department of Water and Sanitation.
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Despite all the challenges confronting the department, there is light at the end of the tunnel. As a committee of Parliament, we can visibly see the progress on our efforts in fixing the department. Our people are more and more getting access to portable water and dignified sanitation.
Indeed, the ANC continues to live with its objectives of changing the lives of our people for the better through the delivery of water services and dignified sanitation. We shall never falter on these objectives.
Under the new Minister Nkwinti, the department is on course in cleaning the department and achieving the above objectives, working together with Cogta and National Treasury.
Towards the provision of infrastructure in the water and sanitation space, all efforts in cost-effectiveness and efficiency must be exhausted. It must always be emphasised that we must explore new innovations and technological advancements, as we address the infrastructure backlog.
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As the ANC, we call on all of those involved in projects within the Department of Water and Sanitation and its entities to desist from current and future corrupt activities.
Fellow South Africans can see who does not want them to have access to water and dignified sanitation. It is clear by now. Come 2019, you must remember them. Some are called in the name of the DA and others are called in the name of the EFF. There are many of them. The ANC wants you to have more and more access to water and dignified sanitation. I adopt this report. Thank you.
Motion agreed to.
Report accordingly adopted.
DEATH OF A FIREFIGHTER
(Draft Resolution)
Ms M F NKADIMENG: Hon Chairperson, I move without notice:
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That the House —
notes with sadness the death of a firefighter, Colin Reynhard, and an injury of Heinrich Matthyssen and Corbin Cupido, when the truck which they were travelling with overturned and rolled in the Mitchells Pass near Worcester on Wednesday, 7 November 2018;
understands this incident happened as the team were returning from fighting fires;
recognises that Reynhard and his team are the kind of patrons who do their jobs with dedication and losing such an experienced firefighter is a serious blow;
recalls that this is the second firefighter to die in this area following Nico Heyns who died when his helicopter crashed while deployed to fight a blaze in Vermaaklikheid in the Garden Route area;
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conveys its condolences to the family of Colin Reynhard; and
wishes a speedy recovery of the other two younger team members, Heinrich Matthyssen and Corbin Cupido. [Applause.]
PASSING OF MR GREGORY CARELSE
(Draft Resolution)
Ms L V JAMES: Hon Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the House —
notes with sadness the passing of Mr Gregory Carelse who was fondly known as Mr Kallie;
further notes that Mr Carelse loved his community and was very involved in fighting and combating gang violence and crime in Bishop Lavis;
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understands that because of his passion for fighting crime, he was targeted by many alleged gang bosses - he died five minutes away from his home in a hail of bullets and the killers are not yet found;
hopes that the culprits will be caught and prosecuted so that the Carelse family and the community of Bishop Lavis find closure;
calls upon the Minister of Police to urgently deploy more police and vans in the Bishop Lavis community which has a lot of drug abuse, gang-related killings and other serious crimes; and
conveys its condolences to the family and friends of the Carelse.
EXPIRING OF OLD SA SOCIAL SECURITY AGENCY CARDS BY END OF 2018
(Draft Resolution)
Ms N V MENTE: Hon Chairperson, I move without notice:
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That the House —
notes that at the end of this year, the old SA Social Security Agency, Sassa, cards will expire. It is estimated that there are still over 500 000 grant beneficiaries using the old cards and if they do not swap in their old cards for the new ones from 1 January 2019, they will not be able to access their social grants;
further notes that all new cards can be collected from the Post Office branches and Sassa offices. For years now, our social grant system has been experiencing problems and there have been delays in payments this year already. Our people rely on social grants to survive and it will be an absolute disaster if the beginning of the New Year in the middle of the festive season there are families that cannot eat because they are unable to access their social grants;
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calls upon the Department of Social Development and the Post Office to put all efforts into ensuring that every Sassa grant recipient has the new card by the end of the year.
FILM FIVE FINGERS FOR MARSEILLES WINS FIVE AWARDS
(Draft Resolution)
Ms A TUCK: Hon Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the House —
notes that South Africa’s very first film, Five Fingers for Marseilles won five awards including best film at the African Movie Academy Awards on Saturday,
20 October in Rwanda;
further notes that the hit film directed by Michael Matthews was the big winner at the 2018 annual African Movie Academy Awards which are meant to celebrate the best films from across the continent;
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understands that the film tells the story of a group of friends who call themselves Five Fingers a gang dedicated to protecting their rural town of Marseilles against police oppression;
further understands that a life changing incident leads to the character Tau fleeing the town and being on the run for years, he returns 20 years later seeking peace only to find the town under new threat and has to fight again;
remembers that the film is made up of a 97% black cast handpicked by acclaimed casting director Moonyeenn Lee; and
congratulates the actors and everyone behind this phenomenal film.
FRIDAY 16 NOVEMBER 2018 MARKS 158TH YEAR SINCE THE FIRST GROUP OF INDIAN PEOPLE ARRIVED IN SOUTH AFRICA IN DURBAN
(Draft Resolution)
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Mr N SINGH: Hon Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the House —
notes that tomorrow Friday 16 November, marks the 158th year since one of the first group of Indian people were recorded to have settled in South Africa arriving in Durban in the year 1860 from Madras to work in the sugar cane plantations in Port Natal;
further notes that the group was made up of 197 men,
89 women and 59 children who were all indentured labourers;
acknowledges that some returned to India after their contractual term ended and those that remained established themselves as industrial and railway workers;
further acknowledges that today, the province of KwaZulu-Natal has the highest population of people of Indian origin outside of India; and
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encourages and implores the living descendants of these first settlers to always consider themselves as South Africans first for all intents and purposes, and to continue to contribute in building our nation to new and greater heights while promoting social cohesion as is the responsibility of all South Africans.
FORMER CLEANER MTHOKOZISI MAKHANYA GRADUATED WITH A BACHELOR OF EDUCATION DEGREE AT UNISA
(Draft Resolution)
Prof N M KHUBISA: Hon Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the House —
notes that a former cleaner the 38-year-old Pastor Mthokozisi Makhanya, who was born in Eshowe and then moved to KwaMashu to find work while at the same time preached at a small church in Inanda, graduated with
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a Bachelor of Education, BEd, degree from the University of SA, Unisa;
remembers that for 12 years, Pastor Makhanya was a cleaner at John Wesley Primary School;
acknowledges that Pastor Makhanya’s potential of becoming a teacher was identified by Helen Birchall, the school principal when he visited a friend whose husband had past on and was given an opportunity to preach at that school in Pinetown;
recognises that it took Pastor Makhanya six years to complete his BEd degree as he was doing it on a part time basis and he is now teaching mathematics, IsiZulu, English and computer studies at both the intermediate and senior phases at his school; and
congratulates Pastor Makhanya on this fine achievement which speaks to the fact that with faith, discipline, focus, resilience, hard work and persistence success is possible. [Applause.]
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SPRINGBOKS BEATS FRANCE IN HEAVY RAIN AT STADE DE FRANCE
(Draft Resolution)
Ms M O MATSHOBA: I move without notice on behalf of the ANC:
That the House –
notes that South Africa beat France 29-26 in heavy rain at the Stade de France on Saturday, 10 November 2018;
understands that the result extended South Africa’s nine-year unbeaten run against France and restored some confidence for coach, Rassie Erasmus, with less than a year to go until the start of the World Cup in Japan;
recalls that replacement hooker, Mbongeni Mbonambi’s touchdown after 85 minutes, allowed the Springboks to celebrate a win which followed narrow losses to New Zealand and England;
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believes that dedication and resilience helped the Boks to emerge victorious against France; and
congratulates the Boks on their victory and wishes them well in their next match against Scotland in Edinburgh on Saturday, 17 November 2018.
Agreed to.
PARAGLIDER AND AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHER ANT ALLEN FALLS TO HIS DEATH IN LLANDUDNO
(Draft Resolution)
Mr N L S KWANKWA: I move without notice on behalf of the UDM:
That the House –
notes with sadness the death of experienced paraglider and aerial photographer, Ant Allen, who fell to his death in Llandudno on Tuesday, 13 November 2018;
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further notes that it is reported that Ineke van Huyssteen of ER24 said paramedics found the paraglider lying on the front stoep of a house in the Cape Town’s Atlantic Seaboard suburb, and various emergency service were in attendance;
understands that the man was found to be in a critical condition and that his vital signs had deteriorated rapidly by the time paramedics arrived at the scene;
further understands that despite the paramedics’ efforts, they were unable to revive him and that he was later declared dead on the scene;
sends its deepest condolences to the family and friends of the victim; and
calls on the relevant authorities to conduct a thorough investigation of this incident before the upcoming festive season where many people take to
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the sky in sports and recreational activities, and advise on recommendations for safety in this regard.
Agreed to.
KOFFIEFONTEIN COMMUNITY EMBARKS ON TOTAL SHUT DOWN
(Draft Resolution)
Ms N I TARABELLA MARCHESI: I move without notice on behalf of the DA:
That the House –
notes the decision by the community of Koffiefontein in the Free State to embark on a total shut down;
further notes that the decision to shut down does not only disrupt ANC programmes, but is affecting learners who are writing exams in all grades;
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wishes to thank the Provincial Department of Education for arranging an alternative venue for matric learners to write their final examinations without disruptions;
calls for the ANC-led government to resolve the issues raised by the community as some of their requests are legitimate, thereby allowing stability in Koffiefontein to prevail and for the exams of other grades to proceed without further interruptions; and
further calls on government that everything be done to ensure that the needs of learners and South Africans are put first.
Agreed to.
PRASA OWES 100 REINSTATED WORKERS 10 MONTHS SALARY INCOME
(Draft Resolution)
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Dr S S THEMBEKWAYO: I move without notice on behalf of the EFF:
That the House -
notes that in 2014, over 100 workers at the Passenger Rail Agency of South Africa, Prasa, in Cape Town were unfairly and illegally dismissed;
further notes that as a result these workers were added to masses of unemployed that populate our country, leaving them and their families to suffer as they had no means of income to survive;
understands that after fourteen months of fighting their dismissal, the workers were eventually reinstated but instead of paying them their full salaries, as was instructed in the internal report, they were only paid for four months, denying them ten months of income which they are legally entitled to;
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further understands that this is both unfair and unjust;
recognises the unfair treatment and dismissal of these workers; and
acknowledges the need for all who were dismissed to be paid the remaining ten months’ worth of salary that they are still owed.
Agreed to.
PROTEAS CLINCHES ONE-DAY SERIES AGAINST AUSTRALIA AT HORBART
(Draft Resolution)
Mr S G MMUSI: I move without notice on behalf of the ANC:
That the House –
notes that the Proteas have clinched their one-day series against Australia at Hobart on Sunday, 11
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November 2018, with a conclusive victory by 40 runs in the final match;
further notes that this comprehensive victory has underlined their ability to perform when the pressure is at its greatest and shows that their Vision 2019 strategy is well on track for next year’s ICC Men’s World Cup;
understands that they took the match by the scruff of the neck after the loss of three early wickets;
recalls that it was a very appropriate way to bring up Proteas 600th One-Day International series, ODI;
believes that both teams deserve credit for the way the series, which has been highly competitive, has gone; and
congratulates our captain, Faf du Plessis, our head coach, Ottis Gibson and all the players and support staff for a magnificent achievement.
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Agreed to.
TRANSNET APPOINTS TAU MORWE AS GROUP CHIEF EXECUTIVE
(Draft Resolution)
Ms N NDOGENI: I move without notice on behalf of the ANC:
That the House –
congratulates Tau Morwe for being appointed Transnet Acting Group Chief Executive with effect from 1 November 2018 to 30 April 2019;
notes that Morwe joined Transnet in 1997 and ratcheted up 17 years of service with the company;
further notes that during his tenure at Transnet, he served as chief executive of three Transnet divisions, namely National Ports Authority, Freight Rail and Port Terminals;
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acknowledges that Morwe led the Port Management Association of Eastern and Southern Africa, PMAESA, from 2011 to 2014;
recalls that he is a BA Economics graduate from Howard University in the USA and also holds qualifications from the National University in Singapore;
believes that Morwe’s crucial appointment will ensure that Transnet strengthens and consolidates its governance procedures, adding much-needed impetus in ensuring that state-run institutions are well governed;
further believes that he brings with him a wealth of experience garnered during his previous tenure at Transnet;
realises that his service is invaluable to the country, ensuring that South Africa continues to play its role in growing regional economies; and
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wishes him well in his new position of responsibility.
Agreed to.
INVESTMENT OF R102 MILLION INTO 30 SCHOOLS ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR THE BUILDING OF NEW INFRASTRUCTURE
(Draft Resolution)
Mr L M NTSHAYISA: Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the House –
notes that R102 million has been invested in 30 schools across the country for the building of new infrastructure;
further notes that Zamokuhle Junior Secondary School in Matatiele is one of five schools in the Eastern Cape that have also benefited;
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acknowledges that as in partnership, the Industrial Development Agency and the Adopt-A-School Foundation are the implementing agencies for this initiative;
appreciates that Zamokuhle Junior Secondary School has received a multimedia centre from Industrial Development Corporation, IDC;
understands that this multimedia centre includes Computer Laboratory, Audio Centre and Library;
knows that these facilities were handed over on the 1st of November 2018 by the Department of Basic Education and IDC;
recalls that R20 million has been invested in the five schools in the Eastern Cape including Zamokuhle Junior Secondary School;
remembers that the other four schools are: Siwali Senior Secondary School in Lusikisiki, Mariazell
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Senior Secondary School in Matatiele (where hon Minister Angie Motshekga matriculated and where I also did my Standard 10 at), Tholang Senior Secondary School in Matatiele and Nkonkwana Primary School in Willowvale;
realizes that the quality of education in these schools is expected to improve with good Grade 12 results; and
notes that we appreciate this initiative by the Department of Basic Education.
I so move.
THE DEATH OF 47 PEOPLE AFTER TWO BUSES COLLIDED IN ZIMBABWE ON WEDNESDAY 7 NOVEMBER 2018
(Draft Resolution)
Ms D Z SENONKOYANE: Chairperson, I move without notice:
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That the House –
notes with shock the death of 47 people after two buses collided in Zimbabwe on Wednesday, 7 November 2018;
understands that one bus was travelling to the capital, Harare, from the eastern city of Mutare and the other was travelling in the opposite direction when the accident happened in the town of Rusape;
recalls that although traffic accidents are common in Zimbabwe due to many potholes, the highway where the accident occurred had recently been resurfaced;
remembers that there had been several deadly bus accidents in Zimbabwe in recent years, including the June 2017 accident which left 43 people dead and 24 injured, when the driver lost the control of the vehicle; and
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conveys condolences to the families of the deceased and the government of Zimbabwe and wishes the injured a speedy recovery.
I so move.
Agreed to.
THE RECENTLY RELEASED NATIONAL RAILWAY SAFETY REPORTBY THE RAILWAY SAFETY REGULATOR
(Draft Resolution)
Mr C H H HUNSINGER: Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the House –
acknowledges the recently released National Railway Safety Report by the Railway Safety Regulator;
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notes that this report reflects a deteriorating state of protection of passengers, staff and assets at SA Rail;
further notes that while cable theft and vandalism is often mentioned as the main safety constraints, this constitutes 19% of failure and that operational management and supervision glitches represent nearly 70% of the root causes;
realises that in addition to these disclosures, recent manual train sanctions by the Safety Regulator have increased from 35 000 to 614 000 between January and September this year; and
calls upon the Minister and the Portfolio Committee on Transport to act on this situation without delay.
I so move.
Agreed to.
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SOUTH AFRICA ELECTED ONTO THE INTERNATIONAL TELECOMMUNICATIONS UNION EXECUTIVE COUNCIL AND RADIO REGULATIONS BOARD
(Draft Resolution)
Ms L C THEKO: Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the House –
congratulates South Africa for being elected onto the International Telecommunications Union, ITU, Executive Council and Radio Regulations Board on Tuesday, 6 November 2018;
notes that South Africa has been elected to serve in both ITU institutions until 2022;
further notes that the country received overwhelming support from the 179 member states attending the ITU Plenipotentiary Conference;
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recalls that the ITU Council oversees the implementation of decisions of the ITU Plenipotentiary Conferences and manages the affairs of the union between the conferences;
trusts that South Africa will use the positions to push for the developmental agenda alongside the African Union’s Agenda 2063;
further trusts that as a member of the 48-member council, South Africa will continue to champion the development agenda, including the acceleration of broadband roll-out to support the Sustainable Development Goals, advocating for support of developing, least-developed, land-locked countries and small islands; and
wishes South Africa more success on the new positions of responsibility.
I so move.
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Agreed to.
COMPETITION COMMISSION SHOWS STRIDES
(Member’s Statement)
Ms N ABRAHAMS-NTATISO (ANC): Chair, the Competition Act has achieved a lot since it was brought into operation in October 1998. Over the twenty-year period, the competition authorities have registered significant successes in the fight against cartels, abuse of market dominance and protection of public interest during mergers. The authorities imposed more than
R8 billion in penalties on companies for breaches of the Act.
The ANC-led government, through measures in the Competition Act, generated more than R5 billion in special funds to promote small business, local suppliers and the entry of black farmers into the economic mainstream. The Competition Commission is a statutory body constituted in terms of the Competition Act, No 89 of 1998. The commission is empowered by the Competition Act to investigate, control and evaluate restrictive business practices, abuse of dominant positions
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and mergers in order to achieve equity and efficiency in the South African economy. I thank you, hon House Chair
EMBALENHLE COMMUNITY FACES NEGLECT
(Member’s Statement)
Ms A T KHANYILE (DA): Hon House Chair, the DA is deeply concerned about the appalling and inhumane conditions in eMbalenhle’s Govan Mbeki Municipality. While the local ANC politicians fight factional battles, deteriorating service delivery in this neglected community since 2011 has resulted in raw sewage flowing in the streets. This has affected the health of residents with people contracting diarrhoea and other sewage-related diseases.
Members of the Nhlapho family in Extension 12, for example, received no help from the municipality even though sewage was flooding their yard. Illegal dumping is a real problem because the municipality has not collected refuse which is simply dumped along the road side. Sports field and parks have now become dumping sites and sport clubs have abandoned their home
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grounds due to uncut grass and unmaintained facilities. The Fluor Daniel Stadium is in ruins, thanks to criminal neglect by this municipality.
This shows all the marks of an uncaring and irresponsible ANC local government that puts its own narrow political interests above the communities they are supposed to serve. A DA-led administration will make sure dysfunctional and corrupt local municipalities are held accountable for their toxic rule and that the delivery of quality, reliable services for all the people is prioritised. I thank you. [Applause.]
KWAMAPHUMULO ROAD AND BRIDGE PROBLEMS
(Member’s Statement)
IsiZulu:
Nk M S KHAWULA (EFF): Sihlalo, ngithi-ke kunenkinga laphaya KwaMaphumulo, kunomgwaqo osuka phezulu KwaMaphumulo enkantolo uyoshona phansi udlule eDlakathi. Lo mgwaqo lowaya uSekela Ngqongqoshe Wezokuthutha - lona okhona la – ngambikela ngawo wase enza ubulungiswa waya khona, wayowubona lowo mgwaqo,
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inkinga ekhona, waze wahamba noHlabisa baze bakhipha ngisho iseluleko sokuthi yini okufanele ukuthi bayenze ngokuthi bathathe imali lena, khona imali laphayana engango-R2 billion le ebekelw ukuthi uma kukhona izinto eziphuthumayo bakwazi ukuzilungisa.
Kuyimanje nje ngoba ngikhuluma nawe mhlonishwa lapho ngaphambili, leliya bhuloho, abantu okufanele bawelele ngaphesheya bethwele imithwalo abakwazi. Izingane eziya esikoleni ziyakhumula, igama laleliya buloho ise-Mission. Kuyimanje njena engibuhlungu ngakho kunakhokonke, angiyazi ukuthi yabantu basemakhaya iyolungiswa nini. Lowa mgwaqo usunesikhathi eside ... kuno-R4 billion omunye okhona la wathi khona uHlabisa ukhathele ukutshela umhlonishwa uMxolisi Kaunda ngoba bamutshela ukuthi makathathe lemali ayisebenzise baze bamunikeza iseluleko, lutho akafuni ukuyenza leyonto.
The HOUSE CHAIPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Siyabonga ma.
Ms M S KHAWULA (EFF): Ngicela ukuthi uNgqongqoshe lo – ngoba angikhulumi ngalona ongekho, eNgonyameni, umgwaqo wakhona unama-potholes wonke
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The HOUSE CHAIPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Siyabonga! Isikhathi sakho siphelile ma.
Ms M S KHAWULA (EFF): Hhawu! Kodwa usiqedelani ngiza nezindaba ezinjena
The HOUSE CHAIPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Siyabonga.
Ms M S KHAWULA (EFF): Hhawu! Anicabangele umphakathi bakithi.
KIDESH RAMJETTAN GETS LIFE IMPRISONMENT
(Member’s Statement)
Ms B C NDLOVU (ANC): Chair, the ANC welcomes the life imprisonment imposed on a Johannesburg taxi driver who was captured on closed circuit television, CCTV, when he shot and killed a Durban businessman execution-style at a petrol station. Kidesh Ramjettan was shot dead in August 2018, in a hit at his petrol station in Rossburgh, south of Durban.
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Footage of his murder was trending on social media. His killer Ayanda Shezi appeared in the Durban Regional Court on Friday where he was sentenced to life imprisonment. Shezi of Ulundi in northern KwaZulu/Natal, told the court that he was paid R15 000 to kill Ramjettan.
The ANC believes that even if he was a first time offender, Shezi still deserved the minimum sentence imposed on him.
These contract-style killings are a heinous crime and a cause for concern in our country. We applaud the law enforcement agency for speedily ensuring that the case reaches finality and that the family may finally find closure on the matter.
We are of the view that a strong... [Time expired.]
TAIWAN CHALLENGES CLIMATE CHANGE
(Member’s Statement)
Mr N SINGH (IFP): Chairperson, one of the key threats to global security today is climate change. Continued growth and emissions of greenhouses gases has caused abnormal and extreme weather conditions as we have seen recently in the heat waves,
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the draughts and the catastrophic floods in some parts of the country. These events are no longer abstract future predictions, but now today they are taking place all around the globe.
In the fast changing international landscape where countries are facing unprecedented challenges, the need for collaboration has never been greater. The need to take advantage of the collective wisdom of human kind in formulating workable salutations to climate change is real.
Taiwan has made significant progress in limiting greenhouse gas emissions, recycling and reusing resources despite being so technologically advanced. In 2017, Taiwan resource recovery rate was 52,5%, a ratio surpassed only by Germany and Austria. Taiwan is committed to being part of the solution and is willing to share its knowledge and experience in environmental management, disaster prevention and warning systems, energy efficiency and enhancement technology and the application of innovative technology this in spite of the fact that it has long been disregarded and isolated from the United Nations.
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The IFP calls for the inclusion of Taiwan into the United Nations Convention on Climate Change. Climate change is a global challenge requiring a global response. I thank you.
STUDENTS FAILING TRIAL EXAM DISALLOWED TO WIRTE EXAMS
(Member’s Statement)
Mr N L S KWANKWA (UDM): House Chair...
IsiXhosa:
... kwezi ntsuku zimbalwa zidlulileyo bendikhe ndanentlanganiso nabahlali baseMqanduli kwilali yaseNgcanasi sixoxa ingxaki yesimbonono ekuMzantsi Afrika uphela, yentswela-ngqesho; intlupheko; ukuqongophala kweziseko edolophini apho kunqabe nezindlu zikawonke-wonke zokuzithuma nto leyo enyanzelisa ukuba abantu baye endle neenkomo kodwa basedolophini; kunye namanzi acocekileyo okusela. Abantu bayazibonela ukuba lo rhulumente ulibele kukudlala upuca endaweni yokuba azise iinkonzo ebantwini.
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Abanye abantu basengxakini yeempompo zelindle ezabagqabhuka kudala, nto leyo eyenza ungcoliseko kwindawo abantu abahlala kuyo. Njengoko izolo apha, benisithi niza kulungisa umba welindle, abantu phaya eMqanduli bahleli nelindle elisuka kwiimpompo ezagqabhuka kudala. Eyona nto ibuhluku Mphathiswa no...
English:
... Deputy Minister, Enver Surty, is the fact that students who fail trial exams are not allowed to write exams at the end of the year in many parts of the province, which we find very unacceptable and would like the government to respond to this issue.
IsiXhosa:
Thina bantu bayaziyo indima yokulawula siza kuwuthatha la masipala siwulawule ngokwethu. Emveni ngokuba siwuthathile, sawulawula, siza kusa iinkonzo ebantwini kwaye siqiniseke ukuba obu busela benza ukuba iinkonzo zingayi ebantwini buyaphela ukuze abantu bakwazi nokufumana ingqesho. [Kwaphela ixesha.]
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ANC CONDEMNS BREAK-IN AT PRINSHOF SCHOOL FOR THE VISUALLY IMPAIRED
(Member’s Statement)
Ms L D MESO (ANC): House Chair, the ANC is disturbed by the incident where a staff member of Prinshof School for the visually impaired was attacked and robbed by a group of men inside the school premises on Wednesday, 7 November 2018.
The victim, aged 36-years-old, was on her way to the school kitchen to prepare breakfast for the learners when she was confronted by three unknown males wielding a pair of scissors and a knife. The criminals robbed the victim of her cellphone but could not get hold of the keys to the kitchen they demanded.
Preliminary investigation indicates that the suspects gained entry into the school through the palisade fence where a block was removed from the wall. We condemn the attack on women and those vulnerable in our society. We appreciate the fact that officials from the Psychosocial Support Team had been
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dispatched to the school to render counselling services and support all affected staff. We call upon the police to investigate the matter and bring the perpetrators to book. I thank you, hon Chair.
TRANSNET BOARD INTENDS RECOVERING EXCESS MONIES
(Member’s Statement)
Mr S N SWART (ACDP): House Chair, the ACDP welcomes the announcement by the Transnet board that it eventually intends to recover excess monies paid to manufacturers and advisors in the ill-fated 1064 locomotive contracts.
Board Chairperson, Popo Molefe, has disclosed that the recovery forms part of recovering the escalating costs when the transaction grew from an original estimated figure of R54 billion to an excessive amount.
The Portfolio Committee on Public Enterprises focused mainly on Eskom during its oversight inquiry. Evidence of gross corruption has surfaced, for example, the Gupta leaks show how
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Gupta related individuals influenced the locomotive process and entered kickback agreements totalling R5,3 billion with Chinese manufacturers, allegedly pocketing R10 million from each R50 million locomotive that Transnet bought.
The ACDP believes that funds irregularly spent as a result of the escalating costs and fruitless procurement must be recovered. Directors can and must be held personally responsible for the financial loses in terms of the Public Financial Management Act, PFMA, and the Companies Act.
They should also be declared delinquent directors in terms of section 162 of the Companies Act, as well as facing criminal prosecution. I thank you.
DEPARTMENT OF INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS AND CO-OPERATION SUCCESFULLY HOSTS 18TH INDIAN OCEAN RIM ASSOCIATION
(Member’s Statement)
Ms Z S DLAMINI-DUBAZANA (ANC): House Chair, the ANC
congratulates the Department of International Relations and
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Co-operation for successfully hosting the 18th Indian Ocean Rim Association, IORA, the Council of Ministers Meeting, which was held in Durban, KwaZulu-Natal, on 02 November 2018 under the theme: IORA - Uniting the Peoples of Africa, Asia, Australasia and the Middle East through Enhanced Co-operation for Peace, Stability and Sustainable Development. The Republic of South Africa is the current IORA Chair.
One of the outcomes of the 18th Indian Ocean Rim Association meeting was a special declaration in honour of President Nelson Mandela who was also one of the founders of the association. This led to the establishment of the IORA Nelson Mandela ‘Be the Legacy’ internship programme expected to be officially launched in July 2019. This initiative is aimed at empowering and capacitating young people of IORA with work experience in their fields of study.
This year’s meeting marks Madiba’s birth centenary hence the special declaration to pay tribute to this global icon. I thank you.
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ATTACKS, THREATS AND ATTEMPTS TO BRIBE THE AUDITOR-GENERAL’S AUDIT TEAMS
(Member’s Statement)
Mr M SHACKLETON (DA): House Chair, attacks, threats and attempts to bribe the Auditor-General’s audit teams have become prevalent in numerous provinces.
It is clear that the corrupt and those involved in grand theft against the people of South Africa are literally fighting the rigorous work done by the Office of the Auditor-General.
The Auditor-General is a Chapter 9 institution that is central to the functioning of our state and essential if our country is to reach its developmental goals.
The Auditor-General Act does not currently include penalties for those who obstruct the functioning of the entity’s work. Compare this to the Public Protector Act, which makes it an offence to attack the integrity of the Public Protector.
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We therefore propose that the Auditor-General Act be amended to make interference with the functioning of the Auditor- General’s teams, including acts such as bribery, violence, and crimes against the state.
The DA will fight corruption in all its forms as we know that it steals from the poor and robs people of opportunity. To this end, under a DA-led government, officials and politicians found guilty of corruption will face a minimum sentence of 15 years imprisonment. The money of the people must be spent on the people. [Applause.]
SPEAR WIELDING MEN TERRORISING WARD 53 IN MAWOTI
(Member’s Statement)
IsiZulu:
Nk M S KHAWULA: Sihlalo weNdlu, ngithi angiqedele engifuna ukukusho kuNgqongqoshe, naseNgqamango njalo umgwaqo uyaphela eMthatha nase-Alice nasesikhumulweni sezindiza. Mhlonishwa, kunendawo ekuwadi 53 eMawoti enabantu abaphatha imikhonto nobhushu kanye nezinduku abazibiza ngezinsizwa noma ombombela.
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Labantu bashisa imizi yabantu, okubuhlungu ngabo ukuthi bagxambukela ezindabeni zabanye abantu futhi babakhiphe ezindlini zabo, benjalo nje bayagqekeza, baphinde bakhiphele izimpahla zabo emnyango bengekho abanikazi bazo.
Lababantu bayesatshwa basebenzisana neKhansela le ndawo, namaphoyisa uqobo ayabesaba. Leli qeqebana lihlukumeza umphakathi kangangokuthi uma ke wahlangana nabo ebusuku, wena usungofile. Siyacela ukuthi uNgqongqoshe uCele alusukumele lolu daba ngoba kumele lababantu baboshwe ngoba lento abayenzayo ayikho emthethweni.
Umphakathi waseNanda usenkingeni, uma nje ngingakubeka kahle nje lokhu, lezi zinsizwa zazivele zikhona kwakudala, zavalwa ngenxa yokuthi zazibulala abantu. EClaremont zazikhona, eNanda, ehostela eGlebe, eMawoti zikhona, angazi umsebenzi wazo yini. Uma lezi zinsizwa zihlangana nawe ziyakushaya, futhi lento angifuni ithathwe njengehlaya ngoba ihlukumeza umphakathi, njengoba ungasakhululekile.
WORK OF THE COMPETITION ACT
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(Member’s Statement)
Ms N ABRAHAM-NTANTISO (ANC): House Chair, the Competition Act has achieved a lot since it was brought into operation in October 1998. Over the twenty-year period, the competition authorities have registered significant successes in the fight against cartels, abuse of market dominance and protection of public interest during mergers. The authorities imposed more than R8 billion in penalties on companies for breaches of the Act.
The ANC-led government, through measures in the Competition Act, generated more than R5 billion in special funds to promote small business, local suppliers and the entry of black farmers into the economic mainstream. The Competition Commission is a statutory body constituted in terms of the Competition Act No 89 of 1998. The commission is empowered by the Competition Act to investigate, control and evaluate restrictive business practices, abuse of dominant positions and mergers in order to achieve equity and efficiency in the South African economy. I thank you.
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INCREASE OF EPWP MINIMUM WAGE RATE
(Member’s Statement)
Mr J J DUBE (ANC): House Chairperson, the Expanded Public Works Programme, EPWP is a critical government initiative, which contributes a great deal towards providing a safety net to millions of South Africans who have socio-economic challenges. The ANC believes the increment of R92, 31 wage rate, from R88, 00 to the EPWP participants will assist in mitigating the effects of poverty facing our people.
This revised minimum wage refers to a wage rate per day and per task performed across all EPWP sectors in all spheres of government. The EPWP minimum wage increase annually and in line with the inflation rate, with effect from
1 November 2018. All public bodies are therefore required to ensure that the wages are adjusted accordingly.
The increased EPWP minimum wage is compulsory for all the public bodies implementing the EPWP and should be adhered to as determined by the EPWP Ministerial Determination. The ANC
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is of the view that this effort will steadily continue to improve the socio-economic conditions of poor South Africans participating in the programme. I thank you.
ARREST OF TWO JOURNALISTS IN TANZANIA
(Member’s Statement)
Ms S V KALYAN (DA): House Chair, South Africa’s foreign policy is supposedly underpinned by the protection of human rights.
However, the response by Minister Sisulu on the recent arrest of two esteemed journalists, Muthoki Mumo and Angela Quintal is in violation of state policy. Despite the journalists having a legitimate letter of invitation from the media councillor of Tanzania and valid visas, their passports and electronic devices were ceased. They were denied access to both their lawyers and the South African Embassy officials and held in custody for several hours on the basis that they were security risks.
While the journalists praise the embassy officials for ensuring their safe passage home, the Minister’s response on
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the incident in choosing to side with a fabricated story from the Tanzanian government, is indeed puzzling. It would appear that journalists and persons from the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Intersex, LGBTI community live in the climate of fear and intimidation. A governor in Tanzania has called on the crackdown on gay people and even established a civilian’s squad to identify and persecute homosexual persons based on their social media profiles and internet footprints. [Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Thank you hon member. Your time has expired.
Ms S V KALYAN (DA): It is shameful that the Minister chooses to flirt and side with government of Tanzania. [Time expired.] [Applause.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Thank you hon member. Your time has expired. I am going to switch off your mic.
Mr L M NTSHAYISA: Sorry Chairperson, I thought you were calling upon AIC when J J was done reading his statement.
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): No, AIC is not in this list today. You know you have agreement on rotations.
Mr L M NTSHAYISA: But it was ANC and now it’s ANC. [Interjections.] Why?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Yes, because the PAC was not in.
Mr L M NTSHAYISA: [Inaudible.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): I can’t give you the slot, I am sorry. It’s for PAC and it was not in. Thank you.
R46 MILLION SET ASIDE FOR NORTH WEST FARMERS
(Member’s Statement)
Ms G N NOBANDA (ANC): Chairperson, the ANC welcomes North West Department of Rural, Environment and Agricultural Development for setting aside R46 million to support smallholder farmers as planting season gets underway in that province. About 812
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smallholder farmers would be supported with crop production inputs to cultivate 14 000 hectares to be planted during the 2018-19 planting season.
Over the years, the department has been supporting farmers in a variety of ways to produce more food through the provision of crop production inputs, access to storage facilities and technical advice, among other measures. The last cropping season of 2017-18, a target of 13 000 hectares was exceeded by
1 628 hectares to attain overall 14 628 hectares planted.
This was achieved despite late rains and early frost encountered in the province as North West farmers were able to produce an excess of 19 016 tons. The ANC is encouraged by the department’s commitment to support small farmers so that they use the land productively to guarantee food security, and eradicate hunger and reduce poverty. I thank you. [Applause.]
STUDENTS FAILING TRIAL EXAM DISALLOWED TO WRiTE EXAMS
(Minister’s Response)
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The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: Chairperson, I will respond to two of the statements, the first one is with regard to a comment made by my colleague in relation to supplementary examination. The matriculation examination is made of two parts: one is the class-based assessment, of which the supplementary examination forms part of and the other is the final examination which is being now.
There is nothing in our policy that prevents a learner who has failed the trial examination from writing the final examination. Therefore, the principle has probably culled the learners in order to get better results. I assure the honourable member that it’s inconsistent with our policy and indeed, I will pursue the matter further.
With regard to the issue of security, we have made huge strides in relation to this particularly important area to ensure that we create a safe learning and teaching environment in our schools. Most of the schools in our country are now fenced. We have established subcommittees for safety and security and provided, as the honourable member has said, psychosocial support whenever necessary. Certainly, any attack
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on our teachers, learners or personnel is not acceptable particularly those who are most vulnerable.
In addition, and that’s my last point, we have a protocol agreement with the South African Police Service, which has adopted schools in the local area of the police station. More than 15800 schools, as we speak right now have a relationship with the nearest police station. This is to enhance security in our schools. I thank you honourable Chairperson.
SPEAR WIELDING MEN TERRORISING WARD 53 IN MAWOTI
(Minister’s Response)
IsiZulu:
IPHINI LIKANGQONGQOSHE WEZOKUTHUTHA: Sihlalo, ngifuna
ukuphendula isitatimende esenziwe ilunga Khawula. Kuyiqiniso ukuthi saya emgaqweni oKwaMaphumulo ilunga Khawula ayebikile ngawo kule Ndlu ukuthi uyakhiwa kodwa kukhona okungahambi kahle. Safika sawubona lo mgwaqo omuhle kodwa uNjiniyela wenkontileka wayengahlelanga kahle umsele wokuhamba kwamanzi, ngakho ke, amanzi ayebuye angene emgaqweni, okusho ukuthi lo
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mgwaqo wawungeke uphile kahle vele. Emuva kwalokho sabe sesibhalela umnyango wesiFundazwe umbiko. Impendulo esayithola ukuthi iNkontileka yabuyela emuva yayowulungisa lowo mgwaqo, manje ke ilunga Khawula ikhuluma ngebhulohwe elibizwa ngokuthi uMshana. Ngifisa ukudlulisa isicelo kwilunga Khawula ukuthi ngokuzayo lithathe inombolo yomgwaqo, okungaba umgwaqo D100 noma R100 bani-bani noma uN bani-bani, lokho kwenza kube lula uma unikeza ngemininingwane kuHulumeni weSifundazwe noma kuMasipala wendawo. Umgwaqo okubizwa ngokuthi uMshana angiwazi ukuthi ukuphi, noma ngabe bengifisa ukudlilisela isikhalazo sakho kwiziphathimandla zeSifundazwe, kungaba lukhuni, yilokho nje kucelayo.
Mayelana nodaba lokubulawa kwabantu ematekisini kanjalo nesinqumo sikadilikajele esikhishwe inkantolo, siyasamukela kakhulu lesi sinqumo. Ngicabanga ukuthi inkantolo izama ukuthumela umyalezo ocacile wokuthi abantu abahlela futhi baphinde babulale abanye abantu kufanele bathole isigwebo sokuyobhadla ejele impilo yabo yonke.
Mayelana nodaba lwezinsizwa ilunga Khawula eluphakamisile, kuyadingeka ukuthi siyilalele besesithumela amaphoyisa ophiko
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lwezobugebengu ukuze labantu abanze lokhu babanjwe futhi baboshwe ngoba phela uma behlukumeza abantu emakhaya abo inkinga leyo, ikhaya lami yilapho ngicasha khona ngiphinde ngithole nokuphumula. Ngakho ke uma kukhona abantu abazokungenela ekhaya bakulimaze bakubulale kwaziwe, kufanele baboshwe labo bantu, ngiyavuma futhi ngiyabonga
WORK OF THE COMPETITION ACT COMPETITION COMMISSION SHOWS STRIDES
(Minister’s Response)
Siswati:
LISEKELA LENDVUNA YELITIKO LETEMNOTFO NENTFUTFUKO: Ngiyabonga
Sihlalo. Ngifuna kuphendvula nankhu umboto lobutwe ngumhlonishwa lomayelana neKhomishane Yemncintiswano. Phela iKhomishane Yemncintiswano ingunompempe. Ngako-ke njengobe sehla senyuka nje sifuna kutsi umnotfo ubuye la, njengaloku kwenta Mengameli, sifuna kutsi labo labaphila ngayo leyo ntfo leyo bakwati kugijimisa lamabhizinisi abo.
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Lapha kulaba bemabhizinisi kukhona laba labangemagovu kantsi futsi batigebengu, kwakhona lapha emkhatsini wabo. Kuyaye kutsi nabafuna kwenta intalo lesetulu bese bagijimisa laba labanye kutsi baphume ngekutsi, mhlayimbe, bayibekele phansi instsengo, bentele kutsi batewuphuma kulelibhizinisi.
Kulesinye sikhatsi bayaye bête kulabatsengi labatsengako, bafike baphakamise lentsengo ibesetulu kakhulu. Ngako-ke, lonompempe lo, nguye lobese uyabuke lokutsi ngubani lona lowephule umtsetfo, bese uyamjezisa.
Manje-ke lonompempe lo ubuye afaniswe neliphoyisa, ngobe utsi nase ayibukile yonkhe lentfo bese utsatsa lelicala alimikise enkantolo yemacala lamancane kube nguyona lemshushisako iphindze imhlawulise loyo muntfu. Nayicedza lapho, ibese itsatsa lemali yenhlawulo lesikhuluma ngayo lapha kulomnciniswano iyinike labantfu labatsintsekile kulobo bubi khona batekwati kutfutfuka.
Ngiko-ke leKhomishane Yemncintiswano seyicinise lomtsetfo nyalo njengobe sewuphasiswe ngulePhalamente kuze kutsi ube nemandla kakhulu. Njengobe nibonile nasekucaleni kwekutsi siphindze sabeka lomtsetfo wekutsi bantfu abashushiswe
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baphindze baboshwe labanye. Saphindze futsi satsi nyalo sekufuneka kutsi lendzaba yentsandvo yebantfu siyiphakamise khona iNdvuna itekwati kulawula kutsi lapho bantfu bahlukumeteke kakhulu khona atsi, tsatsani imali niyinikete kuze babe netinsita.
Nakhona lapho bakhona bantfu labafuna kutawucalisa tinkampani kanstsi batfukele tinhloli, tebantfu bangaphandle ... [Kuhlaba lulwimi.]
IsiZulu:
Nk M S KHAWULA: Uxolo Sihlalo, ngithi angilungise lento kade ishiwo uNgqongqoshe. uNgqongqoshe uyawuthanda umsebenzi wakhe kepha bamnikeze umbiko ongewona.
USIHLALO WENDLU (Nk M G Boroto): UNgqongqoshe uyavuma ukuthi ningakhulumisana, uma ungaya laphayana kuye uzofike akulalele kahle kakhulu. Kungaba ngcono uma ningalukhuluma nobabili, siyabonga
English:
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EMBALENHLE COMMUNITY FACES NEGLECT TAIWAN CHALLENGES CLIMATE CHANGE
(Minister’s Response)
The MINISTER OF HIGHER EDUCATION: Chairperson, we welcome the attention drawn to the dismal state of services in the Govan Mbeki Municipality that was referred to by the hon member from the DA. The ANC is committed to improving services in local government hence the initiatives undertaken by the Minister of Cogta to ensure that from municipality to municipality we’re ensuring that we fix up sewerage, equipment, roads are repaired and that proper services are provided to communities.
We will communicate the concern that has been raised. We also would like to ask the honourable members as we do constituency work to encourage our communities to play a greater role in ensuring that we clean up our communities, that we join together to ensure that we don’t dump refuse where residential areas are allocated and that we actually educate our people around the matters of recycling and other ways of protecting our environment.
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In that regard, we also would agree with our colleague from the IFP, the hon Singh that the matters of climate change require attention hence the government has adopted the change strategy where we are looking at adaptation as well as measures that we can take in order to reduce emissions in South Africa that we introduce more and more green technologies and begin to ameliorate the serious damage that is being done in many sectors with respect to matters of climate change.
We would believe that we learn from all communities and we would say that China govern our one China-policy as a country has moved a great in addressing matters of climate change and in fact has become one of the largest users of renewable energy in the world. Thank you very much Chairperson.
(Minister’s Response)
The MINISTER OF WATER AND SANITATION: Chairperson, hon members have raised again the question of water and sanitation. We acknowledge that there challenges in this regard, the problem partly perhaps or rather mainly it’s a systemic one.
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IsiXhosa:
Ukwakha amadami luxanduva lukarhulumente kazwelonke kodwa ukususa amanzi uwafake ezindlwini ngaphakathi ngumasipala owenza loo nto. Imiba edibene nokusetywa kwelindle ezindlwini luxanduva karhulumente kazwelonke. Ibakhona ke ingxaki xa umasipala enganawo amandla okuphumeza imisebenzi yakhe.
Sidibene phaya eMpumalanga kwiveki ephelileyo namaSebe azokuHlaliswa koLuntu nelezeNtsebenziswano kuLawulo nemiCimbi yezeMveli phantsi kweNkulumbuso yephondo noomasipala bakhe saze senza iqela elinye eliquka i-Rand Water. IRand Water iza kuthi ijongane nephondo laseMpumalanga kuquka zonke izinto ezinxulumene namanzi.
Sendivela eLimpopo naseMntla Ntshona kuba nam andifuni ukuba ndithi ukugcinwa nokusetyenziswa kwamanzi okunkcenkceshela ayiloxanduva lwam. Ndifuna siyidibanise yonke le nto yamanzi kwaye nam ndifuna ukuba ndibekhona ndiqiniseke ukuba iyenzeka. Ndifuna ukuwabona amanzi xa esuswa emadamini esisiwa ezindlwini.
NaseGiyani sikwaqubisene nale ngxaki inye, kodwa siye sangenelela. Siye savuselela icandelwana lokwakha phaya
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kwiSebe lezaManzi noGutyulo saphinda eMntla Ntshona savuselela icandelwana lokuvelisa yonke le mibhobho yamanzi siyisebenzisayo. Ngoku siza kusebenzisa zona kwaye asisayi kuqesha iinkampani zangaphandle. Enkosi.
English:
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): I have one slot left. [Interjections.] Thank you very much, hon members. That concludes the Ministerial Responses. We will now have Notices of Motion.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: House Chair, through your wonderful indulgence, are our Rules permitting hon Pandor to take the last point?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): No. Thank you.
NOTICES OF MOTION
Ms L D MESO: House Chair, I hereby give notice on behalf of the ANC that, at the next sitting of the House, I shall move:
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That the House debates dramatically reducing levels of gender- based violence and its ultimate eradication.
Mr Y CASSIM: House Chair, I hereby give notice on behalf of the DA that, at the next sitting of the House, I shall move:
That the House debates the readiness of Statistics SA to conduct the upcoming national census.
Dr S S THEMBEKWAYO: House Chair, I hereby give notice on behalf of the EFF that, at the next sitting of the House, I shall move:
That the House discusses the plight of workers at the national Department of Health at the Civitas building who are very frustrated with the manner in which management of the department is dealing with the noncompliance of the building.
Ms N ABRAHAM-NTANTISO: House Chair, I hereby give notice on behalf of the ANC that, at the next sitting of the House, I shall move:
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That the House debates ensuring that patients diagnosed with TB are notified and treated, and that defaulters should be followed up so as to prevent the spread of the country’s leading killer disease.
Ms L L VAN DER MERWE: House Chair, I hereby give notice on behalf of the IFP that, at the next sitting of the House, I shall move:
That the House debates the ever-deepening crisis at the SABC which is putting at risk the viability of the public broadcaster and the future of its employees.
Mr S C MNCWABE: House Chair, I hereby give notice on behalf of the NFP that, at the next sitting of the House, I shall move:
That the House debates the importance of the co-operatives movement in job creation and the economic empowerment of the working class and the poor.
IsiZulu:
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Nk Z S DLAMINI-DUBAZANA: Sihlalo weNdlu, ngiphakama ngaphansi kwegama le ANC:
Ukuthi le Ndlu ngokulandelayo mayidingide ukubaluleka kobuchwepheshe nokujula kobuciko emphakathini kanjalo negalelo enalo emnothweni wesizwe. Ngiyabonga.
IsiXhosa:
Mnu N L S KWANKWA: Sihlalo weNdlu ohloniphekileyo, ndenza isaziso sokuba, xa le Ndlu ihlala kwakhona ndiza kwenza isiphakamiso egameni le-UDM:
Sokuba le Ndlu-
ishukuxe ukunyuka kwezinga lolwaphulo-mthetho kunye nobuntswela-boya kwizikolo zethu eMzantsi Afrika neendlela zokukhawulelana nale miba. Enkosi.
Afrikaans:
Mnr H P GEYER: Geagte Voorsitter, namens die DA gee ek hiermee kennis dat, met die volgende sitting van die Huis, ek sal voorstel:
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Dat die Huis debateer hoeveel waarde die hoofkantoor van Elexkor Ko-operatief in Johannesburg — met ’n jaarlikse begroting van R40 miljoen — oor die laaste ses jaar bygedra het tot Alexanderbaai, die Richtersveld gemeenskap, die PSJF, Alexkor self, and die Namakwaland gemeenskap.
Agb LEDE: Hoor! Hoor!
IsiZulu:
Nk M S KHAWULA: Sihlalo weNdlu, ngiphakama ngaphansi kwegama le EFF:
Besifisa ukuthi ngokulandelayo le Ndlu idingide udaba lwaseNquthu lweNkosi yakhona uNgobese ekhokhisa abantu besilisa amashumi amahlanu njengoba abantu bengasebenzi, kufuneka umama akhokhe lamashumi amahlanu ekhokhelela abantntwana bakhe. Le Nkosi ithi lena imali yentela, okusho ukuthi uma umama enabantwana abahlanu ungagcina ukhokha malini? Ngempela ngifisa ke lukhulunywe lolu daba lwale Nkosi.
Okunye ebengifisa kukhulunywe ngakho, udaba lokuthi uma kushone ilunga le Phalamdende, singezwa nje sekuthiwa
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isiyangcwatshwa, ngithi awangwatshwe ngesizotha, angwatshwe uMbuso, ngoba abaculi bona niyabenzela
English:
Mr J J DUBE: House Chair, I hereby give notice on behalf of the ANC that, at the next sitting of the House, I shall move:
That the House debates the improvement of access to quality health services in urban and rural communities.
Ms B C NDLOVU: House Chair, I hereby give notice on behalf of the ANC that, at the next sitting of the House, I shall move:
That the House debates the impacts of retrenchments in both the private and public sectors.
Mr L M NTSHAYISA: House Chair, I hereby give notice on behalf of the AIC that, at the next sitting of the House, I shall move:
That the House debates the steps that should be taken for youth to become interested in the field of agriculture.
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Ms N P NKONYENI: House Chair, I hereby give notice on behalf of the ANC that, at the next sitting of the House, I shall move:
That the House debates the development and strengthening of local economies, creation of jobs, and promotion of jobs placements, especially for the youth.
Ms L V JAMES: House Chair, I hereby give notice on behalf of the DA that, at the next sitting of the House, I shall move:
That the House debates the severe shortages of medical specialists, particularly in rural public hospitals.
Setswana:
Moh G M NOBANDA: Modulasetilo, ke tshitsinya mo boemong jwa ANC gore mo kopanong e e latelang ya Ntlo:
Gore Ntlo eno e ngangisane ka thotloetso ya puso e e siameng, kgololosego, ditshwanelo tsa botho le bosiamisi mo kontinenteng ya Aforika. Ke a tshisinya.
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The House adjourned at 17:40.