Hansard: NCOP: Taking Parliament to the People - Mpumalanga
House: National Council of Provinces
Date of Meeting: 15 Mar 2013
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UNREVISED HANSARD
NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES
TAKING PARLIAMENT TO THE PEOPLE - MPUMALANGA
Friday, 15 March 2013 Take: 10
TAKE STARTS AT 09:35:00
FRIDAY, 15 MARCH 2013
PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES
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The Council met at the Silobela Stadium, Carolina, Gert Sibande District Municipality in Mpumalanga at 09:35.
The Chairperson took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayers or meditation.
IsiNdebele:
USIHLALO WOMKHANDLU WENARHA ONGAMELE IIMFUNDA: Ukuthula! Ukuthula! Singahlala phasi kuthule itjhada, kuzothandazwa gadesi. Thulani itjhada! Malunga ahloniphekileko, njenganje kuzaba lithuba lokuthandaza sidu namkha lokuzindla. Singahlala phasi.
English:
WELCOMING OF DEPUTY PRESIDENT
Hon members, I would like to take this opportunity to welcome the Deputy President of the country, hon Kgalema Motlanthe. [Applause.] I am welcoming him in a formal sitting of the National Council of Provinces this morning.
Deputy President, you are most welcome. I want to thank you because you have never failed us when we have requested you to come and address us when we are sitting outside Parliament and where the public is also listening and observing how Parliament functions and how debates take place.
This is one of the most important programmes that the NCOP has undertaken. We have been doing this for some years now, and it is bearing fruit for the public.
IsiZulu:
USIHLALO WOMKHANDLU KAZWELONKE WEZIFUNDAZWE: Bantu bakithi nginitshelile ngayizolo ukuthi namuhla sizolalela inkulumo-mpikiswano. Sizoqala ngePhini likaMongameli ukuba lisethulele inkulumo. Ngicela izisebenzi zikahulumeni zisilekelele laphaya emuva zilawule ukungena kwabantu. Asiwudingi umsindo namhlanje. Sizothula sonke silale -sithi cwaka! Akungaculwa nezingoma. Thulani nithi du! Lokhu ukuhlala koMkhandlu kaZwelonke weziFundazwe okwenziwa kanje uma kunenkulumo-mpikiswano ePhalamende. Ngakho-ke sicela nonke nizihloniphe size sifike emaphethelweni.
Ngiyabonga, masihlale phansi sinikeni iPhini likaMongameli ithuba lokukhuluma nathi.
The DEPUTY PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC
UNREVISED HANSARD
NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES
TAKING PARLIAMENT TO THE PEOPLE - MPUMALANGA
Friday, 15 March 2013 Take: 10
The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP
WORKING TOGETHER TO ACHIEVE SOCIOECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
(Deputy President's Address)
The DEPUTY PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC: Hon Chairperson of the National Council of Provinces, hon Mninwa Mahlangu; Deputy Chairperson of the NCOP, hon Thandi Memela; Premier of Mpumalanga province, hon David Mabuza; Chief Whip of the NCOP, hon Nosipho Ntwanambi; Speaker of the Mpumalanga legislature, hon Sipho Lubisi; hon Ministers and Deputy Ministers present; hon Members of the NCOP; representatives of local government; Amakhosi from the House of Traditional Leaders, distinguished guests and ladies and gentlemen, as always, I am honoured by this opportunity to address the National Council of Provinces under the rubric of "Taking Parliament to the People".
This is, concretely, an exercise that enables South Africans to play a meaningful role in our multiparty democratic system and in the ongoing process to reconstruct and develop our country.
Our Parliament is the custodian of the promotion of the values of human dignity, equality, nonracialism, nonsexism and participatory democracy. So it is important to maintain an ongoing connection between Parliament and the people in a palpable sense that gives practical meaning to all that our democratic system embodies.
More than that, this process should help Parliament assess whether the legislation it passes has the desired impact on the lives of the people. Similarly, it will enhance the legislature's ability to exercise oversight over the executive.
Hon Chairperson, this year's Taking Parliament to the People programme is happening under the theme, "Socioeconomic Development through Oversight and Public Participation".
To my mind, this is a salutary guidance since, by definition, the Taking Parliament to the People programme is a process driven by the ethos of public participation, on the strength of which government aims to meet the socioeconomic needs of our people.
Accordingly, I note that, throughout this week, ordinary South Africans have had the opportunity to interact with their public representatives and share their views about government programmes of which, as I am sure, representatives of government across all spheres have taken heed. It is only through regular interactions and listening to the people that government can give effect to the goals of reconstruction and development.
Hon members, the Gert Sibande district has a large number of young people who are unemployed, out of school and outside any form of training or higher education.
Concerned as we are about these numbers, government is implementing a matrix of measures to ensure that young people across this district access opportunities of employment, education and training. The Minister of Finance has announced a tax incentive for companies that create new job opportunities for the youth.
We are also encouraged by the progress that parties in the National Economic Development and Labour Council, Nedlac, are making to create employment opportunities for young people.
Government is also utilising its community, public works and National Rural Youth Service Corps programmes to train young people and create employment. Beyond these opportunities aimed at the young people, government is also looking at enhancing Mpumalanga provincial growth in key sectors such as mining and agriculture.
Various measures have been put in place to provide energy, transport, and water and communications infrastructure networks in many sectors, including mining, construction, retail, finance, logistics and manufacturing.
This is supported by programmes such as the Manufacturing Competitiveness Enhancement Programme, the Special Economic Zone Programme, the Jobs Fund and support for Small, Medium and Micro Enterprises and other interventions outlined in our Industrial Policy Action Plan Two.
These programmes are also backed by a National Infrastructure Plan adopted last year, which is intended to address the gaps in socioeconomic infrastructure inherited from our past by strengthening the delivery of basic services while, at the same time, creating new jobs. This is being implemented through 18 strategic integrated projects, with R827 billion allocated for spending over a three-year period.
This will promote economic development, unlock opportunities such as mineral extraction and beneficiation while also addressing socioeconomic needs and integrating human settlements.
The province of Mpumalanga will particularly benefit from the Northern Mineral Belt Strategic Infrastructure Projects which are aimed at unlocking mineral resources, and building new rail, water pipelines and energy infrastructure.
We aim to improve rail capacity between Mpumalanga and the port of Richards Bay as well as shift haulage from road to rail and also build a logistics corridor to connect the province of Mpumalanga to Gauteng.
All these programmes are aimed at addressing unemployment, poverty and inequality through improvements in our productivity nationally as well as raising the living conditions of all South Africans.
Additionally, the Constitution Seventeenth Amendment Act, and its accompanying Superior Courts Bill, before this House, herald a new era in our judicial system.
These pieces of legislation constitute a blueprint for judicial reform which, among others, sets out a framework for the rationalisation of the High Courts, consistent with the requirements of our Constitution.
The hardships endured by the people of Mpumalanga and Limpopo who have to travel to Pretoria to access the High Court will soon be a thing of the past.
Government has, through its infrastructure programme, committed an amount of R560 million for the construction of the High Court here in Nelspruit, Mpumalanga. [Applause.]
A site has been obtained for this purpose and a contractor will be appointed in April to commence with the work. The construction is expected to be completed within the next 36 months.
In respect of the Limpopo High Court, a new contractor has been appointed to continue with the construction of the High Court in Polokwane at a cost of R460 million.
This is after the initial contractor abandoned the site during mid-2012, before the completion of the project, which was initially aimed to be completed by May 2013. It is now anticipated that the Polokwane High Court will be ready for occupation by April 2014.
Not only will the High Court bring justice to the doorsteps of the local communities in the province, but will also create job opportunities for young law graduates and administrators who will, in turn, be ploughing back into their own communities.
I am therefore pleased that the Minister of Justice and Constitutional Development, together with the Chief Justice and the judiciary at large, are moving steadfastly to ensure that access to justice becomes a reality for the people living in the provinces of Mpumalanga and Limpopo.
Hon Chairperson, we have also taken heed of the range of concerns raised with regard to health provision in this district.
As you are aware, government is embarking on a National Health Insurance system to ensure that all people have access to quality health care as part of the five key priorities of government.
This work has started in earnest, with the Department of Health piloting the National Health Insurance projects across all provinces. This includes the improvement of health facilities and contracting approximately 600 medical practitioners who will provide services to 533 clinics within villages and townships.
In this regard, government has announced a consolidated spending on health and social protection of up to R268 billion in the 2013-14 Budget, including the building of new facilities and maintenance and renovation of old ones.
This revitalisation of public hospitals and other health facilities, including the building of six new tertiary and academic hospitals, constitutes part of the extensive capital expenditure required to prepare the public health care system to meet the requirements of the National Health Insurance system.
We are also making significant progress in improving the life expectancy of our nation through, amongst others, the fight against HIV and TB.
Over the past few years we have scaled up our multisectoral programmes aimed at prevention and treatment of HIV. More people are taking responsibility for their own health by changing their lifestyles and undergoing regular testing for HIV as well as screening for TB.
We have in the past year announced the implementation of a new fixed drug combination that will enable people living with HIV to take only one pill a day to maintain and manage their health better.
Through this and the National Strategic Plan we are slowly but surely realising our vision of an HIV-free world, a world with zero new HIV and TB infections; zero deaths associated with HIV and TB; zero transmission of HIV from mother-to-child; and zero stigma and discrimination.
Hon members, our government continues to demonstrate through its policies and programmes that education is our Apex Priority.
Improving the quality of education and training will lay the foundation for a more productive and prosperous nation, since education remains the only all-time faultproof mechanism to equalise opportunities and to address unemployment and poverty.
We are also investing in education through the Strategic Infrastructure Projects mentioned earlier by targeting infrastructure development for higher education, focusing on lecture rooms, student accommodation, libraries and laboratories as well as information and communication technology, ICT, connectivity.
Mpumalanga and Northern Cape will benefit from two new universities which will be built along with a combination of facilities such as residences, retail, recreation and transport systems.
In the case of Mpumalanga, the Department of Higher Education and Training has earmarked a site close to the Lowveld Agricultural College, and construction will commence in the latter part of the next financial year.
We also continue to invest in schooling infrastructure to ensure that our schools are equipped with the requisite facilities that support an environment conducive to teaching and learning.
Our schools also provide an opportunity for us to rollout auxiliary social services such as the national feeding scheme, the school health initiative and scholar transport programmes.
We also wish to use this opportunity to call upon communities to use our schools to foster social cohesion and to teach our children to be upstanding members of society.
Schools can help in imprinting and handing down the correct set of beliefs and values to children while they are still in their formative years and, thus, still impressionable. Schools are well placed to help us fight many other social challenges that plague the lives of our people.
Addressing these challenges will provide conducive conditions to teaching and learning, but must never be seen as a substitute for responsible parenting in the home and communities.
As such we encourage parents to partner with and own their schools through the school governing body mechanism to ensure that our schools provide well-rounded and quality education necessary for our nation's development.
Allow me to also use this opportunity to appeal to the general public, teachers and all concerned with the education of our children not to disrupt learning under any circumstances.
In the past few years we have experienced activities such as marches on school premises during school hours, service delivery protests that disrupt learning, holding learners hostage and other incidents that impact negatively on the learning process.
There can be no justification whatsoever for compromising the education of our children, upon which depends the future our nation.
Hon Chairperson, it would be remiss of me not to recall the memory of the great "Lion of the East", Gert Sibande, especially in this centenary year of the enactment of the Natives Land Act of 1913, which dispossessed African people of their livelihoods and agricultural land, rendering them aliens in the land of their birth.
It is therefore a jolting reminder that today, 19 years into our freedom, and 66 years after Gert Sibande together with Ruth First, Joe Gqabi and Michael Scott exposed the exploitation of farm workers in Bethal, we still hear of evictions from farms such as Donkerhoek.
Indeed it would be a dishonour to our struggle for freedom, and the memory of those who lost their lives and limbs if we allowed such callous acts to continue in a democratic South Africa.
Hon members, allow me to conclude by pointing out that we cannot, on this single occasion, address all the challenges that the communities have raised with us this week. What is, however, important is that we listen with empathy and work with dedication to deliver all that we can with the resources we have at our disposal.
In this regard it will also be important that we give constant feedback on the undertakings we have made throughout this week, understanding that what matters most to our people is not only wholesale delivery, but also honest and constant feedback on what we are able to achieve.
We should also take suggestions made here to heart and see how we can fit them into our programmes. We have emerged from this engagement this week with clear minds about the tasks that lie ahead and the urgency with which we have to address them. Working together with communities, government will indeed expedite reconstruction and development of our country.
I thank you for your attention [Applause.]
The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP
UNREVISED HANSARD
NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES
TAKING PARLIAMENT TO THE PEOPLE - MPUMALANGA
Friday, 15 March 2013 Take: 11
The DEPUTY PRESIDENT
IsiZulu:
USIHLALO WOMKHANDLU KAZWELONKE WEZIFUNDAZWE: Ngiyabonga Sihlalo, iPhini likaMongameli ubaba uKgalema Motlanthe, uNdunakulu waseMpumalanga, ondunakulu bonke abaphakathi kwethu, uSomlomo waseMpumalanga kanye nabanye oSomlomo bezifundazwe abaphakathi kwethu, izithunywa zezifundazwe zonke ezikhona, izithunywa ezikhethekile zonke ezikhona, amalungu e-Salga akhona phakathi kwethu kanye nomphakathi ngiyanibingelela nonke.
Ngithanda ukuqala inkuluma yami ngokuthi la endaweni yase-Gert Sibande yonke uma sibheka izibalo sithole ukuthi amaphesenti angama-70 abantu abaphila kule ndawo ngabantu abasha. Lokho kusitshela ukuthi laba bantu abasha yibona esibhekene nabo ukuba babe ngumphakathi wakusasa. Umbuzo omkhulu okuthi sibakha kanjani ukuze bafinyelele lapho? Sibalekelela kanjani ukuze bafinyelele lapho? Kufuneka bakhule babe ngabaholi njengathi bondle amakhaya, baqinise umphakathi kube yibona abaholayo esikhathini esizayo.
Namhlanje senze leli thuba siwuMkhandlu kaZwelonke weziFundazwe ukuze siqoqe umphakathi, sikwazi ukuwuhlanganisa nabaholi babo bonke abasuka ebuholini bukazwelonke, obezifundazwe kanye nobohulumeni basekhaya ukuze sizogcwalisa uhlelo lwenkululeko. Anizange niwubone umbuso oke wenza le nto uzohlala nani phansi ukhulumisane nani ngezinto enizidingayo ngaphambi konyaka we-1994.
Namhlanje ngoba sinenkululeko ephilayo senzile ukuthi abantu beze bazohlala nathi, bakhulume nathi basiphe imibono yabo mayelana nezidingongqangi uhulumeni okufanele abenzele zona nokuthi badinga azenze kanjani. Leyo-ke yinkululeko eningazange nayibona. Ukube kwakuwumbuso wakudala ngabe seniboshwe kudala ngabe anisekho la kuleli hholo. Yintando yeningi-ke le esikhuluma ngayo.
English:
This is what we call democracy.[Applause.]
IsiZulu:
Sinivumele nonke ukuba nikhulume ngenkululeko futhi nenze kanjalo isonto lonke savula izindlebe zethu, savula izingqondo zethu salalela. Kuntando yeningi abaholi bethu kufuneka balalele abantu kodwa bangagcini ngokulalela nje kodwa balungise la konakele khona. Ukuze-ke sibize lo mhlangano siwuMkhandlu kaZwelonke weziFundazwe sibabize bonke nibabonile njengoba nginitshelile. Zonke izinhlaka zikahulumeni ezintathu ukuze zihlanganise amakhanda zizonke kusukela kuzwelonke ukuya komasipala. Badingide ukuthi lezi zinkinga zabantu bangazilungisa kanjani ngendlela ephuthumayo. Singayekeleli eqenjini elilodwa kuphela, ingabe umasipala noma esifundazweni kodwa sonke sihlanganise amakhanda sisheshe silungise lezi zinto abantu abakhalaza ngazo.
Kuntando yeningi abaholi bethu kufuneka babone ukuthi izinsiza zezwe zivikelekile. Izinsiza zethu lezi esizinikezwa ngumbuso nathi asizivikele ngokwethu singumphakathi. Masigweme ukuthi uma sithola izimali sizisaphaze la kungafanele khona. Masigweme ukuthi uma sakhelwe izinto bese siyazimosa sithi ngezikahulumeni. Akuzona ezikahulumeni ngezenu. Le mali esiyisebenzise ukwenza lezo zinto yintela yenu – musani ukuyimosa. Musani ukushisa izikole nemitholampilo. Uma usugula ebusuku uzowudinga lowo mtholampilo ungasazi ukuthi uzowutholaphi. Musani ukushisa imitapoyolwazi. Uma ufuna ukuphumelela esikoleni uzobe ungasazi ukuthi uma uvuka ngakusasa uzoshonaphi. Masisikhulumisane nabaholi bethu ukuthi izinto ziqhubekele phambili masishane. Zingalungiswa zonke izinto ngokukhuluma njengoba kade sikhulume kulo le sonto. Ayikho indaba yokuthi sithathe imikhonto sigwazane. Sesadlula leso sikhathi.
English:
In a democracy, the people will be provided with the correct information ...
IsiZulu:
ukuze bakwazi ukuqina. Lonke leli sonto sinihlinzekile ngolwazi mayelana nokuthi uma ufuna ukusebenzisana nohulumeni noma iPhalamende kufuneka wenzeni. Bonke ohulumeni bebenemipheme la ngaphandle lapho nithole khona ulwazi kanye nezincwajana. Ningahlali emakhaya nithi anazi ukuthi nizokwenzenjani. Kufuneka nihambe niye emahhovisi niyofuna ulwazi ngoba uma unolwazi ukhaliphe kakhulu. Uma ungenalo ulwazi awazi ukuthi kufuneka wenzenjani. Zibalulekile lezo zinto. NgoMasingana bengilapha kanjalo namakomidi ethu ngoNhlolanja. Ngicele uNdunankulu walapha sakhulumisana ngezinto ezingenziwa masisha ngesabelomali samanje. Ngithanda ukukubonga kakhulu Ndunankulu. Ukwenzile lokhu engithe ukwenze nezinyanga ezimbili zingakapheli. Uyakhile indlu kababa u-Giel Booi Ragatla kanye nekamama uBusisiwe Nkosi. Ngibuya kozibheka khona manje sebehlala kamnandi ezindlini zabo ezintsha.
Ngiyabonga kakhulu ukuthi umtholampilo waseSilobela obungasekho esimeni esigculisayo seniqalile ukuwakha kabusha ukuze ubonakale njengomtholampilo olungele ukusiza abantu – bangahlupheki. Ngiyabonga.
Ngihambele nesikhungo sentsha ngasifica sisezingeni elingelihle neze. Siyajabula kakhulu ngoba i-NYDA isisayine inkontileka yokusiza abantu abasha ngokubaqeqesha futhi ibanikeze imali ukuze basizakale kulesiya sikhungo. Ngiyabonga kakhulu Ndunankulu.
English:
When I talk about the doable, I refer to those things. Don't wait for tomorrow to do the things you can do today. Do it today. Leave what should be done tomorrow and do it tomorrow. I said, when I was addressing the NCOP on Tuesday, "You can, if you think you can."
IsiZulu:
Ungakwazi ukukwenza lokho ofuna ukukwenza uma ucabanga ukuthi uzokwenza.
English:
I am saying that we can if we think we can. I have seen it. But, if you think you can't, then you can't.
IsiZulu:
Ngiqonde ukuthi konke-ke lokhu siyabona ukuthi singakwazi ukukwenza uma nje singabambisana sonke.
Mayelana nabantu abadala, ngifisa ukusho ukuthi lento enikhulume ngayo yokukhwabaniswa kwezimali kwa-Sassa, ngizosebenzisana noNgqongqoshe wezokuThuthukiswa koMphakathi, uMama uBathabile Dlamini, siyilungise ngokushesha.
Ngizokhuluma noNgqongqoshe wezaseKhaya mayelana nendaba yokuthi abantu abadala nabaswele abangenabo omazisi bakhokhiswa imali eyi-R140 uma befuna bebafuna. Engifisa ukukunxusa kubasebenzi bahulumeni ukuthi...
English:
... let us practise the principle of Batho Pele.
IsiZulu:
Ngiyanxusa ukuthi ningathi uma senisebenza emahhovisini kahulumeni bese nithatha ikhefu lamahora amathathu abantu bebe bemile ngaphandle bengalutholi usizo. [Ihlombe.] Abantu bakithi laba yibona abasikhethile ngakho-ke kufanele sibasebenzele, sibalungisele izinto zabo. Malingashoni ilanga belokhu bemile emigqeni bengadle lutho kepha mababuyele emakhaya belungiselwe izinto zabo.
Kubantu abasha, uBaba uMbalula uthe isigidi esi-R1 sizofika ngokushesha ukuzonilungisela ingqalasizinda yezemidlalo. Ngesonto elizayo uBaba uMbalula uyeza uzohlangana nehhovisi likandunankulu, nongqongqoshe wezemidlalo esifundeni kanye nezimeya zonke ukuze babheke ukuthi yiziphi izinto enizidingayo abangaziletha ukuze kuqale imidlalo ezikoleni. Lokho-ke kuzokwenza izimpilo zenu zibe ngcono.
Ngithi-ke, uma kukhulunywa ngezemidlalo nokungcebeleka makungabhekwa ibhola kuphela kepha kufanele nicele nezinye izinsiza emidlalweni yokubhukuda, isibhakela, ukugibela amabhayisekili nokudansa ngoba konke lokhu yimidlalo, ukuze ningabi matasatasa ngotshwala nezidakamizwa.
English:
...because you are destroying your lives.
IsiZulu:
Ezingxoxweni esibe nazo kulo mphakathi ngaleli sonto kuphakanyiswe ukuthi niyahlupheka ngamanzi, ezikoleni nasezibhedlela kusahlushekwa, nokuthi izindlela namabhuloho awekho. Uhulumeni uzwile kanti sizolandelela ukuthi lezo zinto ziyalungiswa.
Mayelana nezempilo, uDkt Motsoaledi ubekhona la phakathi nesonto futhi unishiyele omahambanendlwana abathathu ukuze abantwana bahlolwe amazinyo namehlo, kanti futhi bonke labo okufanele basokwe bazosokwa khona lapha ukuze nibe nempilo enhle. Engikucelayo nje kubo bonke abaholi bethu bombuso ukubambisana uma kulethwa izidingo kusuka kuhulumeni kazwelonke, wesifundazwe kanye nakomasipala.
English:
... co-ordination in terms of service delivery from the national government, provincial government and municipalities. I think we can co-ordinate better and do better than we are doing. We can fast-track things and do them quicker than we are doing now.
IsiZulu:
Nikhulume ngokuthi niyahlupheka, selokhu nafaka izicelo zokubuyiselwa kwemihlaba yenu aziphumeleli ngakho-ke ngizokhuluma noNgqongqoshe uNkwinti ukuze sibheke zonke lezo zindawo. Ngiluphethe uhlu engilunikezwe yilaba abakhulume ngalesi sihloko. Sizimisele ukuthola ukuthi yini lena ebambile ukuze sikwazi ukuyilungisa ukuze abantu babuyelwe umhlaba wabo bakwazi ukuyolima, badle, baphile, baphinde baphilise nabanye abantu.
Sengiya ngasemaphethelweni, abantu bakithi bakhulumile nathi phakathi nesonto futhi sinizwile. Uma sisuka la sizothumela umbiko kuMongameli wezwe, uBaba uZuma, kanye nePhini lakhe uBaba uMotlanthe, ukuze babheke lo mbiko wezinto enizikhulumile. Emva kwalokho uzobe usuthunyelwa kubo bonke ongqongqoshe. Ungqongqoshe ngamunye uzobe esethatha izinto enikhulume ngazo okufanele azenze azilandelele. Lo mbiko sizophinde siwuthumelele kundunankulu ozobe esenika wonke bonke ongqongqoshe bezifundazwe abangaphansi kwakhe. Ungqongqoshe wezifundazwe ngamunye uzobe esethatha lezo zinto okufanele azenze bese ebuyela emuva ayozenza. Lo mbiko sizophinde siwuthumelele zonke izimeya. Imeya ngayinye izothatha izinto okufanele izenze bese iyazenza.
Sizobuya la ezinyangeni eziyi-12 ukuze sibheke ukuthi bazenzile yini izinto obekufanele bazenze bese siyanibikela ukuthi yini abayenzile, yini abangayenzanga nokuthi kungani bengakakwenzanga obekufanele bakwenze. Isebenza kanjalo intando yeningi.
English:
We must be accountable.
IsiZulu:
Lesi Sabiwomali esiphasiswa yiPhalamende sifuna ukusibona ukuthi senzani. Mayiphele-ke lento eyenzeka laphaya emahhovisi, noma ngabe yiliphi ihhovisi, yokuthi kuqashwane ngobuhlobo. [Ubuwelewele.]
Sizwile-ke nokuthi kukhona abanye abasebenzisa imali yombuso budedengu. Imali yombuso siyinikeza umbuso ukuze ukwazi ukwenza lezi zinto enizifunayo; amanzi, izikole, ugesi, nezimigwaqo ngakho imali mayisetshenziswe ngendlela efanele. Ngizocela uSomlomo wesifundazwe nekomiti lakhe bawavule kakhulu amehlo ukuze babone ngeso elibukhali, iso lenaliti le esithunga ngayo. Sizoke sibheke nalaphaya komasipala ukuthi kwenzekani.
Sengigcina, ngithatha leli thuba ukubonga. Sonke singabaholi sizimisele ukunisiza, musani ukulahla ithemba. Nizibonile izinto ezinhle enizenzwelwe umbuso futhi asekhona amandla okwenza okudlula lokhu. Musani ukukhathazeka. Siyazibophezela nokuqhubekela phambili sinisebenzele njengabaholi benu. Ngiyabonga, Sihlalo.
Mr R A LEES
UNREVISED HANSARD
NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES
TAKING PARLIAMENT TO THE PEOPLE - MPUMALANGA
Friday, 15 March 2013 Take: 12
The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP
IsiZulu:
IPHINI LIKASIHLALO WOMKHANDLU KAZWELOPNKE WEZIFUNDAZWE: Mhlonishwa Mahlangu, siyabonga ngamazwi akho akhuthazayo.
English:
Mr R A LEES: Madam Chair, hon Chairperson of the NCOP, Deputy President of the Republic of South Africa, it is lovely to have you with us. I must, I'm afraid, welcome my own MEC, MEC Dhlomo. It is lovely to see you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, I greet you all.
IsiZulu:
Ngiyanibingelela nonke, senikhulume izinsuku ezintathu silokhu silalele. UBaba uSihlalo ucele ukuthi silalele kahle. Uma umphakathi ubona thina kufanele wazi ukuthi lezi zinkinga ezinkulu ezintathu zizodingidwa; umsebenzi, amanzi nemfundo. Angithi niyawufuna umsebenzi? Angithi nani bantu abasha niyawufuna umsebenzi? Kunjalo-ke. Kodwa kufanele ngikhulume iqiniso lapha namhlanje. Uhulumeni kufanele agqugquzele ukuthi umnotho ukhule ngokungaphezu kwama-6% ngoba ngeke sikwazi ukuqhubeka ngama-2,7%.
Uhulumeni unohlelo, uhlelo oluhle kakhulu olubizwa ngoHlelo lweNtuthuko lukaZwelonke, i-NDP. Yilona lolu hlelo oluzosikhipha kule simo esizithola kuso. Ama-50% abantu abasha abangaphansi kweminyaka engama-25 ngeke bawuthole umsebenzi. Bayoze bafe bengasebenzi uma nje singashintshi indlela yokwenza umsebenzi njengohulumeni. Abantu bazoqhubeka nokuthembela emalini yesibonelelo, bahlale emakhaya futhi baqhubeke nokusebenza amatoho. Lena yinto embi kakhulu uma uyibheka ungumuntu omusha.
Kuyasijabulisa kakhulu ukuthi uNgqongqoshe u-Pravin Gordhan uthe uzoluqhuba uhlelo lokuxhaswa kwentsha, i-youth wage subsidy, yize noma-ke sebeyinikeze elinye igama kepha empeleni kuseyiyo i-youth wage subsidy. Ngakho-ke, siyacela ukuthi uMongameli wethu angabe esavuma ukuthi lolu hlelo luvinjwe njengoba kwenzekile ezinyangeni ezimbili ezidlule. Asifuni ukuthi la "ma-fat cats" e-Cosatu, avimbe ukuthi abantu abasha bathole imisebenzi.
English:
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE NCOP: [Inaudible.]
IsiZulu:
IPHINI LIKASIHLALO WOMKHANDLU KAZWELOPNKE WEZIFUNDAZWE: Mhlonishwa uzwile-ke ukuthi uthini uSotswebhu oMkhulu.
English:
Mr R A LEES: Madam Chair, thank you. I did but I do believe that even our hon Chairperson was speaking to the audience and I shall continue, thank you.
IsiZulu:
Ngizwa kuthiwa abantu abaningi la, kule ndawo, abawatholi amanzi.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr R J Tau): Chair, on a point of order: I think the hon member is misleading this House by saying that hon Pravin Gordhan has in actual fact agreed to a wage subsidy. There is no such thing and, therefore, I would request the member to withdraw such a statement.
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP (Ms T C Memela): Hon Lees.
Mr R A LEES: Are you asking me to withdraw, Madam Chair? Madam Chair, the incentive scheme is for the youth and it is a subsidy that works and therefore, in my opinion, it is a youth wage subsidy. If the hon Tau disagrees with me, so be it.
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP(Ms T C Memela): Hon Lees, I'm now asking you to withdraw the statement.
Mr R A LEES: Madam Chair, what statement would you like me to withdraw?
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP (Ms T C Memela): Could you change your wording because ...
Mr R A LEES: Of what, Madam Chair?
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP (Ms T C Memela): You are talking on two different issues here.
Mr R A LEES: Of what, Madam Chair?
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP (Ms T C Memela): Minister Gordhan didn't put it as you putting it now.
Mr R A LEES: The Minister Gordhan put it as an incentive scheme for the youth and he did not call it a youth wage subsidy. I call it a youth wage subsidy but the Minister did not call it a youth wage subsidy.
IsiZulu:
Sengiqhubeka-ke, uMcwaningimabhuku-Jikelele usanda kukhipha umbiko othi kumoswe izigidigidi eziyi-R1,8 ngonyaka wezi-2012. Niyazi yini ukuthi ukube le mali ayilahlwanga ngabe yakhele bonke abantu balapha e-Carolina izindlu. Ibizokwenza ukuthi nonke nithole amanzi la e-Carolina. Ibizokwenza ukuthi nibe nomgwaqo wetiyela, kunalokho imali ilahliwe.
English
In order to have the economic growth, we need to create jobs that we all want. Our youth must be given opportunities to have access at every school not just some schools. It cannot be true that two and a half months into the year...
IsiZulu:
...abafundi bebaBanga lesi-4 kuya kwelesi-6 abafunda eSekusile Primary School kanye nase-Zenzeleni Primary School namanje abakazitholi izincwadi ze-natural science neze-technology. Izolo sitshelwe ukuthi kukhona izingane zethu ezihlaliswa phansi zibhalele izivivinyo emadolweni ngenxa yokuthi amadesika awekho? Kwenzeka kanjani lokho?
English:
Madam Chair, there is a long way to go but, if the correct policies are followed, the country will prosper, as it should, and all South Africans will be winners.
In conclusion, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the NCOP office bearers, the staff for making the arrangements for this Taking Parliament to the People the smooth operation it has been. We in the NCOP have been blessed with such good people to look after all our arrangements. Thank you very much indeed. [Applause.]
Mrs N W MAGADLA
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The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP (Ms T C Memela): I am pleading with every speaker who is going to take this podium to address not the audience, but the House.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mrs N W Magadla): Hon Chairperson and Deputy Chairperson of the NCOP; Deputy President of the Republic of South Africa, hon Kgalema Motlanthe; Premier of Mpumalanga province, hon D D Mabuza, and other premiers present here today; Speaker of Mpumalanga province, hon Lubisi; hon Ministers present here; MECs and speakers from various provinces; Kgoshi M L Mokoena, Chairperson of the Mpumalanga House of Traditional Leaders; esteemed traditional leaders in attendance; Chairperson of Salga Mpumalanga, Councillor S M Nkosi; hon members of the NCOP; hon members of the Mpumalanga provincial legislature and all other provincial legislatures; Executive Mayor of Gert Sibande District Municipality, Councillor Nhlabathi; Executive Mayor of Albert Luthuli Local Municipality, Councillor Shiba; councillors present here today, our esteemed guests, ladies and gentlemen ...
isiZulu
...sanibonani...
IsiXhosa:
...molweni. Sihlalo, okokuqala mandicele ukuba eli qonga malingabi yindawo yokuhlekisa ngokungaphangeli, ngentlupheko [that is poverty] nokungalingani [inequality] kubantu bethu. Ndiyacela.
English:
I would like to take this opportunity to extend the warmest words of appreciation to the people of Gert Sibande District Municipality, particularly ...
IsiXhosa:
...abantu baseSilobela, ngokuziphatha kakuhle kwabo,...
English:
...for the full duration of our programme leading to this closing plenary.
As Parliament, we have taken a conscious decision to come down to the people of Silobela and surrounding areas, so that they can be given the opportunity to voice their concerns and to be heard. It is especially good to be able to meet with you, providing a platform for dialogue between the government and its people and close the social distance, as Mr Mahlangu mentioned.
During the course of the week, there was one noticeable outcry across communities. Communities voiced out clearly their condemnation of acts of sexual abuse against women and children. As the ANC-led government, we view the escalation of acts of violence against women and children as a serious offence on the moral fibre of our society. What must be clear is that no one has the right to violate others. We must expose and give a red card to all those committing those crimes.
Indeed, there are many challenges in this locality that have been revealed during this week, but while we acknowledge the genuine grievances of the community, we are nonetheless firm in our conviction that members of the community have no right to resort to violence and damage private and municipal property when protesting. It is for this reason that we call on all our councillors to have a dedicated interest in the integrated development plan and public participation processes, as the outcome of these processes would ultimately determine what projects ought to be carried out and the resources needed in particular wards.
We are worried about reports of councillors who are strangers and visitors in their wards. We call on councillors to hold public meetings to avail themselves to the community and carry out their duties in line and in keeping with their mandate.
Allow me to take this opportunity and extend a word of thanks to Minister Motsoaledi for the practical action he has taken in serving the community of Gert Sibande District Municipality. He has demonstrated a sense of urgency and showed us that things that are implementable in the short term can truly be implemented within a short space of time.
As the NCOP and our counterparts in the provincial legislature, we are going to play a more meaningful oversight role over the administration. This is particularly important when it comes to service delivery because it is at this level that the community is at the mercy of the officials.
We are worried about the pace of implementation of projects and slow pace of service delivery. Therefore, I challenge all of us today to ensure that we position our IDPs to be truly developmental in nature and people-centred in character and move away from boardroom IDPs to credible IDPs, ones that represent the full expression of the people.
This week we were reminded of the sobering reality of unemployment and joblessness. Youth unemployment is high, yet this area is surrounded by mineral wealth. This sad state of affairs particularly affects the youth, who happen to constitute the majority of the unemployed and are trapped in a sea of poverty. It is on this basis that I would like to urge the district to look into the possibility of convening a youth summit or youth indaba, congregate all youth formations and solicit the divergent views of our young community in order to marshal the way forward and find practical solutions jointly on issues affecting them.
For the benefit of those who missed out on the issues raised during the week, the young people of Albert Luthuli Local Municipality and surrounding areas said, in one resounding voice, that they wanted to break the chain of poverty.
Looking back at the key note address by the premier during our opening ceremony, he said that statistics show that the Gert Sibande District Municipality was the region that suffers the most from youth unemployment and HIV and Aids prevalence. We therefore call upon all three spheres of government and organs of state to work together within the spirit of co-operative governance in fighting the scourge of poverty and unemployment, and place skills development and youth empowerment as a priority.
The youth reminded us that they too have the right to sustainable livelihoods and to be provided with opportunities for empowerment so that they can be active participants in the regional economy. Supply chain policies should be made to respond to this call. Therefore, I want to remind all young people seated here today and elsewhere in the district that there is nothing for you without you. Therefore, any transformation without you is meaningless.
What must be clear is that youth empowerment must not be seen as an act of charity. However, it must be a precondition for our struggle for greater humanity. To achieve all this, we have forged a progressive and dramatic break with the past, in that we want to move towards full implementation of Operation Clean Audit and better financial controls in our municipalities. We are beginning to see a decline in the revenue base of our municipalities and most of them are dependent on grants due to high levels of indigence and inability and unwillingness of communities to pay for services increasing along with the high rate of unemployment. We have taken notice of the fact that municipal debt is mounting and this has affected the ability of the municipality to effectively discharge its mandate of delivering services to the residents. I thank you. [Applause.]
Mr P MASUALLE
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The ACTING PREMIER OF THE EASTERN CAPE (Mr P Masuale): Hon Deputy Chairperson, the Chairperson of the National Council of Provinces; His Excellency, Deputy President Mr Kgalema Motlanthe, the hon Premier of Mpumalanga and other premiers present, the Speaker of the Mpumalanga legislature, members of the National Council of Provinces, the representative of the SA Local Government Association, distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen, good morning. I bring you very warm greetings from the province of the Eastern Cape, the home of outstanding leaders of our people such as uTata Mandela, uTata Sisulu, Raymond Mhlaba and many others.
We have no doubt in our minds that these eminent leaders of our people would be the first to acknowledge that the ANC government has made tremendous strides in creating a nonracial, nonsexist and prosperous South Africa in the 18 years that it has governed. Indeed, they would agree that years of neglect for the majority of our people – that was perpetuated by the previous apartheid government – are waning very fast in our nation.
Without any fear of contradiction, they would salute the ANC-led government for the many achievements it has recorded since 1994 in improving the lives of our people. Among these achievements would be the provision of basic services; issues relating to water, sanitation, electricity and health care, as well as quality education for all the people, irrespective of who they are.
They would also be the first ones to tell us in a frank and constructive engagement where we need to improve. Even though we have only been in government for 18 years, our esteemed leaders whom I mentioned earlier would expect us to do even more to improve the lives of the people.
I am extremely happy that the theme of this sitting, ``Moving with utmost speed to ensure socioeconomic advancement in our communities'', has been coined to demonstrate exactly the urgency with which we must deliver a better life for our people.
In the Eastern Cape we believe that a solid foundation has been laid during this term of government to deliver a better life for our people. The unprecedented, massive investments in infrastructure undertaken by our province are turning the Eastern Cape into one of the strategic hubs of economic activity in our country. The recent announcements by our President of a massive national infrastructure programme of more than R1 trillion to develop our ports, rail, roads, information and communications technology, ICT, and energy infrastructure will without a doubt assist in the development of our province and the country. Our province and other provinces in the country will benefit hugely from this, and will completely change its face and the fortunes of our people. We remain optimistic that the vast and ongoing infrastructure development taking place will translate into meaningful benefits for the people and, as I said, the entire country.
The positioning of the province affords us easy access to African and global markets through the sea, road, rail and air network infrastructure. This investment, which is being pioneered by our national government, serves as an enabler for export growth. It's not my intention to be boastful but I should mention that our industrial development zones, IDZs, are at the centre of our job creation drive in the province. Since inception, the East London Industrial Development Zone as well as the Coega Industrial Development Zone have created many jobs and attracted many investments into that area to help us address the challenge of youth unemployment and the general challenge of poverty amongst our people.
The IDZs offer a range of investments in sectors like marine aquaculture, agroprocessing, pharmaceuticals, ICT and electronics, for which we need our young people to be trained so as for them to be able to participate in these sectors. We could cite many projects, like Project Mthombo that has just been approved. We look forward to many work opportunities that will be created once these are up and running.
In an effort to build and manage the economy in line with national priorities, we are happy to announce that the provincial planning commission is finalising the draft strategy for provincial development that must dovetail and be linked to the National Development Plan, NDP. I can state without fear of contradiction that the people of the Eastern Cape, like the rest of South Africa, are eagerly awaiting the implementation of the NDP, as it promises to deliver us out of the quagmire we find ourselves in, in terms of the creation of more jobs, ending poverty as well as dealing with all the inequities that we find within our communities.
We have experienced this outreach exercise by the National Council of Provinces and indeed we concur with the Chairperson that it is truly not only democracy at work, but integrated oversight that is in action because it provides the opportunity for all spheres of government to interact with the communities and also looks at how we could enhance the work of better serving our people. We really commend the National Council of Provinces for maintaining and playing that significant role.
In conclusion, by selflessly working together we can deliver the much-needed transformation, better the lives of our people and make the heroes and heroines of our struggle whom I referred to earlier, very proud that they have left us a legacy that we are not in any way betraying. Thank you.
Ms B CREECY
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Ms B CREECY (Gauteng): Hon Chair and Deputy Chairperson of the NCOP, His Excellency the Deputy President of the Republic of South Africa, government Ministers and premiers represented here this morning, hon Members of the NCOP, ladies and gentlemen, sanibonani, dumelang, it is an honour and a privilege to represent the Premier of Gauteng, Mrs Nomvula Mokonyane, in this debate today. I would like to commend the NCOP for their initiative in taking Parliament to the people of Mpumalunga and I would like to thank our colleagues from all spheres of government for the warm reception our delegates have received during the course of this week.
It is important to note that this year we are commemorating two significant pieces of legislation that continue to predetermine the social and economic life chances of millions of our people. The first, the 1913 Land Act, laid down patterns of ownership and dispossession that continue to influence present day access to ownership of the means of production and economic opportunities. In his January 8 address, President Zuma noted that the legacy of this Act, namely poverty, inequality and unemployment, continue with us today.
This year we also commemorate the 60th anniversary of the Bantu Education Act, a statute that has denied millions of African children quality education in the country of their birth. Its legacy continues in African, Coloured and Indian communities where we face huge backlogs in facilities, school resources and teacher development.
Bantu education remains directly responsible for transgenerational education deficits that bedevil the skills base of our economy and act as a factor on economic growth. At a family level it continues to impact on the support parents are able to give their school-going children.
Honourable members, I have chosen to highlight the anniversaries of these two pieces of legislation because, in their own way, they continue to dictate both the conditions under which we seek to bring about social and economic transformation and circumscribe some of the choices we have in selecting the instruments to promote our transformation agenda.
In noting some of the intrinsic legacies of apartheid and the challenges we need to address as we go forward, it is important not to undermine the significant progress we have made in changing the face of our communities over the past 19 years.
The recent census results highlighted that 12,3 million people, or 23% of the country's population, now resides in Gauteng province, making our province, Gauteng, the most populous in the country. The increase in the population of Gauteng is as a result of natural growth and immigration from other provinces but the increased number of people has also put the provision of social services under tremendous pressure since it has had to cope with the more people moving into the region.
Despite this pressure, the 2011 census's findings showed that 80% of Gauteng's residents now live in formal housing compared to 74% in 2001. About 98% of the households in Gauteng have access to running water and 96% of households have a flush toilet that is connected to waterborne sewerage, a septic tank or an improved pit latrine. The number of people in Gauteng that have access to electricity increased from 78% to 87% between 1996 and 2011.
Hon members, in his state of the nation address, President Jacob Zuma indicated that the National Development Plan, NDP, is government's long-term blueprint for addressing our social and economic challenges. I would like to focus on two conditions for the success of this plan, namely building state capacity and active citizenry, and share with you four stories from our province that I think you might find interesting.
With regard to building the capacity of the state, there are two stories I would like to share. The first is our turnaround in the Department of Health. At the beginning of our term of office in 2009, the state of our public health institutions was extremely unsatisfactory. This was as a result of a combination of factors, including outsourcing of management functions that resulted in poor management of human and financial resources.
We were also plagued by instances of maladministration, corruption and blatant disregard for authority and rules that govern our public health institutions. To address these, we brought in high-level expertise, re-established effective leadership in the Department of Health and initiated a comprehensive turnaround strategy. We focused on restoring effective controls and systems and improving efficiency, capacity and management.
Particular attention was paid to the four academic hospitals, namely: Chris Hani Baragwanath, Charlotte Maxeke, Dr George Mukhari and Steve Biko Academic Hospitals. The reason for this focus is that we know that these hospitals service not only our province but many of our surrounding provinces and, in this sense, they are national and not just provincial assets.
To illustrate the success of this turnaround strategy, let me tell you a story about twins called Recall and Recant Sibuyi, who were joined together at birth, were successfully separated at the Steve Biko Academic Hospital last month. The twins had been transferred to Steve Biko Hospital from Mpumalanga on the day of their birth in February 2012. The operation to separate them was performed by a team which included some of the most eminent surgeons in the country. I am pleased to inform you today that these twins are recovering well and will be discharged soon and be back in Mpumalanga before very long.
The second story on improving the capacity of the Gauteng government to deliver relates to the way we are succeeding in improving our infrastructure spend, with particular focus on the conditional grants for education, health and transport. Hon members, I think many of you know that when it comes to those conditional grants there is often a finger pointing and a blame game between the infrastructure departments and the provincial departments, and I know many of you have been called before the National Assembly and the NCOP to explain the underspending on these infrastructure grants.
Last year, the executive council formally adopted the Gauteng Infrastructure Delivery Management System, which is structured in terms of portfolio management, programme management, project management, operations and maintenance. What this means in practice is that all of the MECs sit together on the political steering committee and agree on priorities; we also agree what the department of finance will pay for in any particular year and we agree on very strict timeframes with no latitude to change the projects that have been identified during the course of the year.
In our joint technical programmes and project teams we also have to ensure that land is released; permission to occupy is granted and agree on the specifications of every project.
I am happy to announce that, through this improvement, last year we succeeded in creating 44 000 direct jobs and 151 work opportunities through the Expanded Public Works Programme, EPWP. Our target this year is to create 196 000 EPWP jobs.
Let me quickly move on to tell you two stories on promoting active citizenry. The first is the new way of involving parents in supporting their children's education. In Gauteng we have prioritised 832 schools for improving literacy and numeracy. One of the problems that we are faced with is how to make children do their homework when we know that parents have their own educational backlogs.
In 2011 we began a series of parental training workshops where we explained to families how to do basic reading and simple counting exercises with their children. We also raised broad issues about punctuality, discipline and developing relationships with class teachers. Over the past year, despite somewhat a difficult start, 140 000 parents have participated in these workshops and we are now extending the concept to other grades and using it to improve discipline in high school and attendance in our matric support programmes.
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP (Ms T C Memela): [Inaudible.] Can you conclude?
Ms B CREECY (Gauteng): Thank you, hon Chairperson.
Hon members, allow me to thank you for sharing these stories with you this morning. I hope they have given new life and substance to our sincerely held belief that, working together, we can and indeed will do more.
Mr K A SINCLAIR
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Mr K A SINCLAIR: Hon Chairperson and Your Excellency, Deputy President, on behalf of Cope, I want to speak about roads today. Chairperson, I just want to get your ruling. Will I get four minutes while he is interpreting?
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP (Ms T C Memela): I will see. [Inaudible.] I will not cut you off.
Mr K A SINCLAIR: Thank you, Chairperson. You know that you are my favourite Chairperson. If you will not cut me off; it will help a lot.
I want to speak about roads today but I don't want to speak about the potholes in the roads that have become a symbol of nonservice delivery in South Africa, neither about the political voyage of the ANC from Polokwane to Mangaung, or about the personal journey of the hon Deputy President ...
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP (Ms T C Memela): [Inaudible.]... the discussion today and may I ask you to stick to it and not go beyond that.
Mr K A SINCLAIR: Chairperson, I will certainly stick to that. ... or about the personal journey of the His Excellency, the Deputy President, from Alexandra to Tuynhuis.
I want to speak about the current, but more importantly, the future road of the people of Silobela. This week we experienced again a carbon copy of the previous Taking Parliament to the People events. Failed projects, weak service delivery, some councillors and officials that grossly neglect their responsibilities and infrastructure collapse again echoed in all the sessions. Increased unemployment, joblessness and poverty are the net result of an ANC government that, according to the majority of contributors in the sessions, is far removed from their daily struggle and reality.
Statistics indicate that the Chief Albert Luthuli Municipality has an unemployment rate of almost 35%, every second citizen is living below the poverty line, 20% have no education and five out of every 10 are infected with HIV and Aids.
This alone is testimony of a dangerous and volatile combination of socioeconomic frustrations 19 years after democracy. How long can and will the people of this district, province and South Africa be prepared to travel the road that the ANC embarked on?
Earlier we heard about the slogan: A better life for all. What happened to that slogan? Was it just a slogan?
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP (Ms T C Memela): Can we have a summary and not a word-for-word interpretation to save time?
Mr K A SINCLAIR: Hon Deputy Chair, we heard and experienced terrible stories from the citizens of the Gert Sibande District Municipality: people share water sources with animals; municipal officials are appointed to positions, not because of their qualifications, but because of their loyalty to the ANC.
IsiZulu:
IPHINI LIKASIHLALO (Nksz T C Memela): Ngiyaxolisa Sinclair, mfowethu ptolikayo ngicela umnikeze isikhathi akhulume bese utolika ngokufingqiwe. [Ubuwelewele.]
English:
Mr K A SINCLAIR: Deputy Chair, we have also heard of girlfriends and nyatsis [mistresses] appointed by senior officials as gestures of loyalty to positions in various spheres of government, undisciplined teachers that pester and bully learners and collapsed land reform and agriculture projects. These are just a glimpse of the barrage of complaints. Notably, almost 75% of the inputs came from young people. [Interjections.]
I thought the hon Deputy Chairperson said she would not stop me. [Interjections.]
IPHINI LIKASIHLALO (Nksz T C Memela): Hon Tau ... [Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr R J Tau): Deputy Chairperson, I just want to check with the hon member whether he is prepared to take a question.
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP (Ms T C Memela): Mr Sinclair, are you prepared to take a question?
Mr K A SINCLAIR: Chairperson, given the time constraints, I will not.
These voices, the 75% of youth of the district, are the future. They are the people that will pave the way for the next generation. More importantly, they are the citizens of this country that will decide if the current road is the correct and only road. In a survey done during November 2012, involving 2 800 respondents between the ages of 18 to 34 years, 60% indicated that they would support a motion of no confidence against the President of this country, had they been Members of Parliament.
What this indicates is that the next generation of South Africans, dealing with socioeconomic development, has already decided that alternate political roads do exist.
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP (Ms T C Memela): Hon Sinclair, will you conclude.
Mr K A SINCLAIR: Hon Chairperson, in conclusion, the critical question that we need to answer is: Does working together to achieve socioeconomic development mean that the ANC highway is the only road? If the remarks and input made these past four years are anything to go by, more and more people in South Africa firmly believe that there are other political roads. Roads bring you to crossroads and choices. A government that is failing its people is forcing them to make different political choices.
Cope is one of those choices. If the trends continue, a new government will be a reality sooner rather than later.
Mr M OZINSKY
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Mr M OZINSKY (Western Cape): Deputy Chairperson of the NCOP, hon Deputy President, all leaders present and hon members, it is an honour to speak today here on behalf of the ANC, particularly in representing the Western Cape province.
Unfortunately, you will see that my province is the only province that has not sent a representative of its government here. The Premier of the province, Ms Zille, has not deemed it fit enough to come and address you here today. I am not sure why she has decided not to come here. Maybe it is because she shows no respect for the people of this district. Maybe it is because she shows no respect to the elected Parliament of this country.
Mrs E C VAN LINGEN: Deputy Chairperson, on a point of order: Hon Ozinsky is misleading the House. He is making vague assumptions that hon Zille is not here.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE COUNCIL: That is not a point of order, Chair.
Mrs E C VAN LINGEN: These assumptions are made for reasons ...
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP (Ms T C Memela): Unfortunately ... Mrs Van Lingen, will you take your seat? Thank you.
Mr M OZINSKY (Western Cape): I've looked very hard for the hon Zille. Maybe if she is here, she could stand up. Maybe she is also not here because she doesn't consider the Western Cape to be part of South Africa.
I think the real reason she is not here is that she has given up on her party, the DA, presenting any alternative to the government of the country. We now know – we have read it in the press, and she has never denied this – that hon Zille went to her own party's leadership and suggested the DA should be dissolved. She is the one who has no confidence in the DA presenting an alternative to our government. [Applause.]
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP (Ms T C Memela): Hon member, can you now address the topic?
Mr M OZINSKY (Western Cape): Deputy Chairperson, I am raising these issues because hon Lees and hon Sinclair have pretended that there is some alternative to the policies of the ANC. Clearly there is no alternative to the policies of the ANC. Hon Lees has stood here at this podium and supported the National Development Plan ...
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP (Ms T C Memela): Hon member! Hon member, can you just hold on?
Mr W F FABER: Deputy Chairperson, on a point of order: You have told the hon speaker to stick to the topic of today's debate, and he is not listening to you.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE COUNCIL: That is not a point of order, Deputy Chairperson!
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP (Ms T C Memela): It is not a point of order. Please don't disturb us. Sit down. [Interjections.] Hon member, please address the topic.
Mr M OZINSKY (Western Cape): Deputy Chairperson, I am trying to make the point that when we look at socioeconomic opportunities and advancement in our communities, we need to look at the policies that will take us to that position. The question is: Are there any policies that can take us down that road which are different from the policies of the ANC? As hon Lees has said, he, as a representative of the DA, supports the National Development Plan that was developed by the ANC government.
So, quite clearly, there are no alternatives to those policies. When we look at what the ANC has been able to achieve in the last 18 years – the massive enrolment of all learners in schools, the massive provision of health care to people who, before 1994, had no access to health care, the provision of services such as water, electricity, and other municipal services – we can see that there are no alternatives to those policies. In my province, which is blessed to be the province that has, in many ways, the best provision of services, the services were not provided by the DA government. Those services were there before the DA government came into power in 2009.
When we look at alternatives, we need to ask whether the DA, with its policies, has made any difference in those provisions of services. Let me give you an example. In 2009, when the DA came to power in the Western Cape, 16 566 houses were built. Last year, in the 2011-12 financial year, only 11 065 houses were built by the DA government. That is a reduction of more than 5 000 houses in one of the provinces that has the highest growth of need for housing. We can provide many other statistics which show that the DA policies have failed to provide socioeconomic opportunities in the Western Cape.
I refer, for instance, to the issue of education. When the ANC was in power in the Western Cape, the province had the highest matric pass rate in the country. Last year, it was the ANC government in Gauteng that produced the highest pass rate in the country. [Applause.] If you look further at the matric results, for many years it was learners from the Western Cape that occupied the top five positions in the matric examination results. Last year, it was learners from Limpopo province that occupied those highest positions. Clearly, what we have seen in the last four years in the Western Cape is a retreat on providing socioeconomic opportunities in the Western Cape.
This is not to say that there are not many problems that face us here in Albert Luthuli, in Gert Sibande, or in other parts of the country. The question is what can be done to provide alternatives. When hon Sinclair stands here and says that there are alternative roads, he is unable to show any policies which would take us down those alternative roads. In the end, it is only the ANC, working together with people, that can provide those deliveries that we all require throughout the country.
Most worrying for us in the Western Cape is the audit outcomes, as reported by the Auditor-General to our provincial legislature last year. For instance, we have seen a regression in those audit outcomes. We have seen more departments getting qualified audits. We have seen, in the last year, the Auditor-General complaining about the lack of oversight from the provincial executive – in other words, lack of oversight from the DA MECs in the province over their departments. In particular, the Auditor-General has pointed to the lack of oversight when it comes to housing delivery, that the MEC for Human Settlements in our province has not ensured that the targets that his own department set at the beginning of the year were met by the end of the year. In our province, we have also seen increasing statistics of gangsterism, drug abuse, and other issues that break the social fabric in the province.
It is very easy for opposition parties to come and say that the problems people face should be looked at. In fact, it is the ANC that acknowledges those problems in every speech and in every policy that we adopt. In the Western Cape, we have never had an event under the DA such as this that we have experienced in the last week, where people are able to properly voice their grievances with the provincial legislature. Instead, oversight in our province is used to highlight what the government would like to show as part of its propaganda campaigns, rather than to highlight the problems that our communities face.
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP (Ms T C Memela): Please conclude, hon member.
Mr M OZINSKY (Western Cape): In conclusion, Deputy Chairperson, let me say that I think that we need to be very proud of what we have achieved in the last week. We have not come here to see only the success stories. We have heard the problems. The challenge is now to implement the ANC policy to deal with those problems. I thank you. [Applause.]
IsiZulu:
IPHINI LIKASIHLALO WOMKHANDLU WEZIFUNDAZWE (Nk T C Memela): Ngizocela utolika asho ukuthi umhlonishwa lo ubethini.
English:
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP (Ms T C Memela): Hon Faber?
Mr W F FABER: Deputy Chair, could we possibly have an interpreting service? I have no idea ... On this system, there is no interpreting at the moment.
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP (Ms T C Memela): For your own good, you are an English speaking person, and the majority of the people who are here in the audience are Zulu speaking. We have given you the chance to listen. We never disturbed you. I now plead with you to then give the people seated here, who also have the right, the opportunity to also understand what was being said in their strange language.
IPHINI LIKASIHLALO WOMKHANDLU WEZIFUNDAZWE (Nk T C Memela): Ngithe kuwe mfowethu khuluma ngesiZulu ukuze laba bantu bethu abahleli la bakwazi ukuzwa ukuthi kuthiwani.[Ubuwelewele.]
Ms O MLAMLELI (Free State)
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Ms O MLAMLELI (Free State): Hon Deputy Chairperson, Chairperson of the NCOP, His Excellency, the Deputy President of the South African government, Ministers, Deputy Ministers, the Premier of Mpumalanga and premiers from different provinces, members of provincial legislatures, members of the national and provincial House of Traditional Leaders, all protocol observed. I've realised that you spend time teaching other hon members what a point of order is.
We are meeting here today where women are celebrating 100 years of their march along Maitland Street against the apartheid laws. Hon Deputy Chair, let me inform you and the House that in Bloemfontein, in the Free State, we have changed Maitland Street to Charlotte Maxeke Street. I want to condemn the brutal killings of women and children. We say, there should be no bail to the perpetrators.
Let us congratulate the SA Police Service in the Free State for the summit they will be holding next month on an integrated crime prevention strategy. As the executive council we allowed them to establish a fusion centre which is an integrated approach to the fight against crime.
Regarding water and sanitation, we are still experiencing problems of a shortage of water especially in the rural areas. In Marquard, Ficksburg and Clocolan in the eastern Free State, we depend on natural resources and boreholes. We have tried by all means to build pump stations to pump water from the river to those towns. Today we are happy that water is running through the taps.
The municipal infrastructure grant, MIG, is provided but there are some municipalities that are underspending. We are working hard with the legislatures. What I like most is the oversight visits that are done, especially the unannounced ones.
Let me inform you and the House that we are aware of what is being reported in the media about the township of Rammulotsi in the Moqhaka Local Municipality. That place is utilised for political reasons. Let me report today and also to the hon the Deputy President that the open toilets in Rammulotsi have been closed. We have completed closing 253 open toilets. I want to say to the representatives from the Western Cape that they must go and remind their premier that the open toilets were closed. If there are still open toilets there, it is her responsibility to ensure that they are closed so that our people gain their dignity back.
The Deputy President has alluded to the strategic integrated infrustructure projects. We do have one which is Sips 2 - the Durban - Free State - Gauteng logistics and industrial corridor - which strengthens the logistics and transport corridor between South Africa's main industrial hubs. We have another important one, the Ingula Pumped Storage, which is on the border of Ladysmith in KwaZulu-Natal and Phumelela Municipality in the Free State. It is a hydroelectricity plant that is used to generate electricity during the day when electricity is in high demand. At night excess power on the grid is generated by conventional coal and nuclear plant to be used in later hours.
In the Free State province which is led by Premier hon Ace Magashule, we are busy achieving Outcome 8: Sustainable Human Settlements And An Improved Quality Of Household Life - note, improved quality of houses. The apartheid government in the town of QwaQwa, at Bluegumbosch, left us with one-door houses, two-roomed houses and dilapidated houses. We are going to demolish these houses. We are going to build and renovate them to ensure that we do away with apartheid allocated houses.
We are doing things differently in that province. It is known as Hlasela province. It is the province which, instead of building the common 40m2 houses, builds 50m2 houses.
We had a challenge of a number of incomplete houses. In this financial year, which is coming to an end, we have completed 13 000 out of the 20 000 incomplete houses. We have made a commitment that in this new coming financial year we will complete the remaining 7 000. Let me share with the House what led to these incomplete houses. We realised that there were officials who were manipulating the housing subsidy system's, HSS, beneficiary list.
IsiZulu:
Bafaka umfana bakhiphe ubaba omdala.
English:
We also realised that officials were receiving money from the contractors to approve poor workmanship. We are proud as Free State to say that we have suspended 10 officials who were involved. We have also stopped, terminated and dismissed the contractors who did poor work for our people.
We are busy and we will start the mixed housing project in Vogelfontein and Intabazwe. All different forms of houses will be built there.
We are proud to announce that the Department of Human Settlements in Free State has purchased two mobile trucks to extend application offices for people in small towns like this one. People will be able to go to these trucks which have everything about HSS to access services. Go and tell the Western Cape about the trucks that we have. They move like those in the Department of Health.
Let me share with the House ... [Interjections.]
The DEPUTY CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP (Ms T C Memela): Hon member, try to ...
Ms O MLAMLELI (Free State): I just want to share with the House about the status of Nala Municipality. The municipal manager, MM, of Nala Municipality has been dismissed. The case of the former municipal manager is in place and one official has been sentenced to 15 years. The Public Protector went to Nala Municipality and has expressed her satisfaction.
The Zamdela issue is not an issue because people were told lies. The premier of the Free State province is not the Demarcation Board. The Demarcation Board will deal with its business. After people were killed and later buried, it was then that Cope came. They were not there when things were burning. As the ANC-led government we will work. That one is not going to be discussed. This government is led by the ANC. The ANC is committed to deliver to our people. Thank you, Deputy Chair.
Dr DLOMO (KwaZulu-Natal)
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Dkt S DLOMO (KwaZulu-Natali): Phini likaMongameli wezwe Baba uMotlanthe, Sihlalo wale Ndlu Baba uMahlangu, Phini likaSihlalo, Mama uMemela, Ndunankulu, Baba uMabuza, nabo bonke ondunankulu abakhona phakathi kwethu, Sotswebhu Omkhulu, Mama uNtwanambi, amaLungu aHloniphekile ale Ndlu, abaholi bendabuko abakhona, ngidlulisa isixoliso sikaNdunankulu wesiFundazwe saKwaZulu-Natali, uDkt Zweli Mkhize, ongakwazanga ukuba khona ngenxa yokubanjwa eminye imisebenzi.
Size la ukuzoveza okwenzeka laphaya KwaZulu-Natali. Ezinsukwini ezimbalwa ezizayo isiFundazwe KwaZulu-Natali sizobe sihanjelwe abaholi bamazwe amaningi ngenxa yengqungquthela ye-Brics. Sifisa ukudlulisa ukubonga okukhulu kuhulumeni kaBaba uMsholozi, kuNgqongqoshe uMama Nkoana-Mashabane kanye nekhabhinethi yonke yezwe ngokuthi baqoke futhi balethe le ngqungquthela enkulu kangaka esifundazweni saKwaZulu-Natali.
Ngempela uhulumeni waseNingizimu Afrika ngaphansi kwenhlangano ye-ANC usulethe ushintsho olukhulu oseluholele ekutheni izwe laseNingizimu Afrika libonakale kuwo wonke amazwe ukuthi liyakwazi ukuhlalisa izingqungquthela ezinkulu kangaka. Siyazibongela-ke singabantu baKwaZulu-Natali ukuthi emva kweminyaka eminingi singawatholi amathuba afana nalawa, uhulumeni wethu usinikeze ithuba lokuba sibe nalezi zingqungquthela ukuze sikwazi ukusebenza. Sibheke kakhulu ukuhlomula siyiNingizimu Afrika nesifundazwe ngoba lokhu kuza nezingqalasizinda eziningi zokudayisa, ukuthuthukisa amazwe, nokuthengiselana ngezinto eziningi.
Sifuna ukuveza ukuthi okuningi okuzokwenzeka yilokhu osekushiwo yiPhini likaMongameli ukuthi kufanele kuqiniswe ingqalasizinda, ukuze imithwalo ebeyithuthwa ngemigwaqo ikwazi ukuthuthwa ngemizila yezitimela. Konke lokhu kufanele kwenzeke ezweni lonke ngoba lokhu kuyinto ebaluleke kakhulu ukuze singanciki kwamanye amazwe ase-Yurophu siyi-Afrika.
Eminyakeni engatheni edlule KwaZulu-Natali sibe yikhaya lapho kwakhiwa khona i-African Union, okuhloswe ngayo ukubumba futhi iqhubezele phambili umzabalazo wamazwe ase-Afrika ukuze athuthuke ngokubambisana. Konke lokho sikubona kungumsebenzi omkhulu owenziwa yizwe lase-Afrika.
Namanje siyabonga siyisiFundazwe saKwaZulu-Natali ukuthi izwe laseNingizimu Afrika linikele ngomhlonishwa uDkt Dlamini-Zuma okunguyena osebhekeke ukuthi aqhube izinhlelo ze-AU. Kufanele iqhubeke i-Afrika ngokubambisana ilethe intuthuko. Nathi siyazibophezela ekuletheleni abantu bakithi amanzi ahlanzekile, imigwaqo, ugesi kanye nokuthuthukisa ingqalasizinda ngoba lokhu ngeke kugcine nje ngokwenza lezi zinto ezibalulwe ngenhla kepha kuzoletha namathuba emisebenzi kubantu bakithi. Ngakho-ke, ayiqhubeke izimisele ukuletha umsebenzi onjengawo lo.
IsiFundazwe saKwaZulu-Natali, ngaphansi kobuholi bukaNdunankulu uKhabazela, sazibophezela emkhankasweni obizwa ngokuthi "one home, one garden." Saqhubeka safaka eminye imikhankaso, isibonelo, umkhankaso obizwa ngokuthi "one school, one garden", kanye nobizwa ngokuthi "one clinic, one garden" ukuze abantu bangalambi benezandla zabo. Izinto ezifana nalezi ezenza ukuthi noma uhulumeni efika ezobasiza babe besuthi eziswini zabo ngoba bazisebenzele.
Igciwane leSandulela-Ngculazi/neNgculazi, isiFo soFuba, kanye noMalaleveva yizifo ezisayihlupha kakhulu i-Afrika yonke. Siyabonga ukuthi impumelelo egqamile ezweni lakithi ngaphansi kobuholi bePhini likaMongameli, uMotlanthe, njengomholi woMkhandlu kaZwelonke weNgculazi, i- Sanac, iyabonakala njengoba usukwazile ukwenza izinguquko eziqavile.
English:
I learnt that our Minister of Health, Dr Motsoaledi, talked about some of these strides, and I might highlight one or two of them in my conclusion.
IsiZulu:
Siyabonga-ke, futhi siyazi ukuthi ukufika kwe-Brics kufanele kugqamise ukuthi isiFundazwe saKwaZulu-Natali siyisifundazwe esinamachweba amabili; e-Richards Bay neTheku. Sibona nokuthuthuka kwaleya ndawo okuthiwa iDube TradePort nokuthi i-King Shaka seyaba isikhumulo sezindiza somhlaba wonke. Lokhu kusixhumanisa nezinye izifundazwe kanti sibona ukuthi kuzolekelela, hhayi i-KwaZulu-Natali yodwa noma iNingizimu Afrika kuphela, kepha i-Afrika yonke.
Sitholile futhi ukuthi inqgungquthela ye-Brics izobe zisakazwa umhlaba wonke, akubona kuphela abantu baKwaZulu-Natali noma baseNingizimu Afrika kuphela abazobe belandela ukuthi kuzobe kwenzekani enqgungqutheleni ye-Brics kepha bonke abantu emhlabeni wonke. Konke lokhu kuyimizamo nemisebenzi yahulumeni oholwa yi-ANC.
Sesize sakha uhlelo esilubiza nge-provincial tourism master plan. Undunankulu uthi ufisa ukuthi ngonyaka wezi-2020 kube sekwakhiwe amathuba ayizi-180 000 okuthuthukisa abantu. Ikhona intuthuko kwezokuvakasha nokungcebeleka, kanti futhi zinegalelo elikhulu elingase lilethe imisebenzi. Ezokuvakasha KwaZulu-Natali ziletha ama-10% emnothweni walesi sifundazwe.
Ekuzilungiseleleni-ke, siyakholelwa ukuthi kulokhu isifundazwe esizibophezelele kumbono we-National Development Plan..., esibonga kakhulu ukuthi uBaba uLees uyayithanda kanti futhi ithandwa yiwo wonke amaqembu. Sithe-ke kwaZulu-Natali kule zigidi eziyi-11 zamathuba emisebenzi okubhekwe ukuthi zenziwe sifuna ukuthi nathi sibe negalelo lezigidi ezi-2,1. Konke-ke lokhu kuzokwenzeka uma sibhukula sithi ukukhula komnotho kulesiya sifundazwe kufanele kume kuma-4% noma kungabi ngaphansi kwama-4% ukuze sikwazi ukuthi ngonyaka wezi-2030 konke lokhu esizibophezelele kukho kube sekwenzeka.
Kuye kumangaze-ke uma sesithola amanye amaqembu esekhulumela i-ANC engabe iyazikhulumela yona ngezinto ezenzile ezinhle. Asikubeke kucace ukuthi noma sigqamisa okuhle esikwenzile kepha kufanele sikuveze ukuthi kusanezingqinamba esinazo. UNdunankulu wesiFundazwe saKwaZulu-Natali ulethe uhlelo olubizwa nge-Operation Sukuma Sakhe osekwenze ukuthi iPhini likaMongameli, uBaba uMotlanthe, livakashele la kwaZulu-Natali lizobheka ukuthi yini le –Operation Sukuma Sakhe, ilekelela ngani. Kulokho kuvakasha kwePhini likaMongameli kwakukhona ondunankulu bezifundazwe, kepha angimbonanga uMama u-Helen Zille, akaphumelelanga ukufika futhi angisizwanga nesixolisa ngokungaphumeleli kwakhe. Esikuhlomulile siyiKwaZulu-Natali nezwe lonke - kubhaliwe ngisho nasemabhukwini - isikhathi sokuphila sabantu baseNingizimu Afrika sesikhulile ngoba sisuke eminyakeni engama-52 safinyelela eminyakeni engama-60.
Sibone kwehla kakhulu izinga lokutheleleka ngegciwane leNgculazi kusuka komama kuya kubabantwana, kwehle kusuka kuma-20% kwaya kuma-2,1%. IsiFundazwe saKwaZulu-Natali saze sadlula ngisho isiFundazwe saseNtshonalanga Koloni esithi asinabo abantu abaphila negciwane leNgculazi. Kubantu abayisigidi esi-1,7 eNingizimu Afrika abadla imishanguzo yegciwane leNgculazi ...
English:
... a third of these people are from KwaZulu-Natal.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr R J Tau): Hon member, please summarise the discussion.
Dr S DLOMO (KwaZulu-Natal): There are just two points left before I conclude.
IsiZulu:
Kukhona umbiko ophumile obhalwe wuMkhandlu woCwaningo lwezokweLapha, i-MRC, ofakazela ukuthi u-Old Mutual uthi abantu abasafi eNingizimu Afrika. Lokhu bakubona ngokwehla kwezinga lokufakwa kwezicelo zemali yemishwalensi ezifikayo. Konke lokhu kwenziwa imisebenzi kaKhongolose yokunikeza abantu abaphila neSandulela-Ngculazi/neNgculazi bathole imishanguzo futhi badle. Abasashoni abantu abaneSandulela-Ngculazi/abaneNgculazi eNingizimu Afrika!
Sizibophezele-ke, ukuqhubeka nokwenza izinto ezinjenga lezi ezilwisana nezinkinga ezikhungethe umphakathi ezifana nalezi zinhlelo ezifana nokulwa nenkinga yo-sugar daddy, izidakamizwa ezikoleni, ukudlwengulwa kwabantu besifazazane nezingane. Sifisa ukuhlolisisa ukuthi ukudlwengulwa kwabantu bakithi akusondelene yini nokusetshenziswa kwezidakamizwa ngoba angicabangi ukuthi ukhona umuntu ozihloniphayo ongabona ugogo oneminyaka engama-70 njengentombi angayishela noma njengomuntu ongaba isinqandamathe sakhe. Siyabonga kakhulu. [Ihlombe.]
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Mr J J GUNDA: Hon House Chairperson, hon Deputy President, hon Chairperson, premiers, all protocol observed, the debate on turning the tide of socioeconomic opportunities and development for our communities is a very important one. However, it seems like two words are not being used in this debate. One of these words is honesty. If you are honest, you can acknowledge and achieve something.
In this region, Gert Sibande, we have to make it our duty, as Parliament, as the NCOP, as the provincial government and as the local government, to start delivering the service to the people. The people in Gert Sibande are not lazy, and they want to work. If you go to the projects, it is the departments which are not assisting these people. It is the departments which are not doing their duties and are neglecting the people of this very same region. Look at this region! We went to Tau Kwena, an orchard project, where R4 million went down the drain. The department can not even explain to us how that happened. Look at the Tholulwazi vegetable garden project, which is 16 years old.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr R J Tau): Hon Gunda, there is a point of order!
Mr T L MAKUNYANE: House Chairperson, on a point of order: Is the hon member willing to take a question?
Mr J J GUNDA: No, not now. I'm busy speaking.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr R J Tau): No, he is not prepared to take a question.
Mr J J GUNDA: Let's take the Tholulwazi vegetable garden project into consideration. That project is 16 years old. There are senior citizens in that project who, till today, have received the land and only R25 000. For 16 years! These people are willing to work. There are also two young graduates, young people, who graduated in agriculture but there is nothing for them. When are we going to listen to the plight of these people?
I like Taking Parliament to the People because it is important. It gives us a chance to listen and hear the plight of our people. As a government, that's how we need to do service and justice to the very same people who voted for us. It is high time that the Mpumalanga provincial government takes it plan and puts it into action.
The hon premier is here and I heard him on Monday when he was speaking, giving us very good statistics. However, it is time to ensure that when we come back to do oversight, we see improvements in the lives of the people. People should be able to say that in this freedom, this is what we have achieved. [Time expired.]
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Mr K MMOIEMANG (Northern Cape): Chairperson of the NCOP and the Deputy Chair, Deputy President of the country, premiers of Mpumalanga and North West, members of the NCOP and hon members, dignitaries, ladies and gentlemen, allow me to bring you greetings from our provincial government in the Northern Cape led by the ANC. At the same time, we express our gratitude to the NCOP for the last visit to our province under the same vehicle of Taking Parliament to the People. Indeed, we are delighted as the Northern Cape to be part of this Taking Parliament to the People programme taking place under the theme: Turning the tide on socioeconomic opportunities.
Our delightedness emanates from the timing of this engagement with our communities, more so given the fact that it takes place within three months after our ruling party's national congress, within a month after the President delivered the state of the nation address; and within two weeks after the Minister of Finance, Mr Pravin Gordhan, delivered his Budget Speech. The reference to the aforesaid is important given the fact that our understanding that events are mainly used to articulate our policy procedures as the ANC-led government so that in our interactions with our communities we are able to make them understand the progress that we have made thus far.
However, it is important to also express our gratitude for being able to be with the people of Caroline, Gert Sibande, and Mpumalanga because it is our expectation, from the side of the Northern Cape provincial government that, indeed, the theme of this Taking Parliament to the People is finding resonance with the declaration that we made at Mangaung. We said then that as we enter the second phase of the transition from apartheid colonialism to a national democratic society, we commit ourselves to a programme of action in which we will speed up the elimination of this legacy and bring about socioeconomic freedom.
It is important that, as the provincial government of the Northern Cape, we have indicated that there has been tremendous progress that this ANC-led government has made since it took over in 1994. Also, the following aspects have taken place: Census 2012 has indicated to us that the official unemployment rate for the Northern Cape has declined from a high of 35,7% in 2001 to 27,4% in 2011; 82,4% of households reside in formal structures.
Mr W F FABER: Hon Chair, I would like to know if the hon member of executive council, MEC, will take a question, please.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr R J Tau): MEC, are you prepared to take a question?
Mr K MMOIEMANG (Northern Cape): I cannot because of time constraints.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr R J Tau): He cannot.
Mr K MMOIEMANG: Furthermore, it is important to note that under the ANC-led government, the following have taken place: The percentage of persons of 20 years or older with no schooling has decreased from 22,7% in 1996 to 11,3% in 2011; the percentage of persons with matric or higher has doubled from 11,11% in 1996 to 23% in 2011. Under the ANC-led government, we have managed to reduce the percentage of households without access to piped water from 6% in 2001 to 2,6% in 2011; the national average is 8,8% and this places the Northern Cape in the fourth position nationally. Also, more than 90% of households have access to water inside their dwellings or in their yards.
As you outline the plans, programmes and initiatives of the provincial government, you will realise that the basis thereof is the National Development Plan, the NDP, which is the plan that sets out various methods to tackle unemployment, poverty, inequality and other challenges facing our country. Some of the key programmes of the National Development Plan in our province are to take very serious steps to ensure that we make a dent in the poverty and some structural infrastructure problems that are facing us. It is important to note that, under the ANC-led government, there are plans in place to explore ways to determine how best the local procurement accord, national skills accord, green economic accord and the basic education accord will be taken forward.
We are also pleased to announce that significant progress has been made by the ministerial task team tasked with the responsibility to oversee the establishment of the university in the province. The University of Witwatersrand has been appointed to provide technical support. We also want to register the fact that this university will be the first university in the Northern Cape since 1994. Together with Mpumalanga, we have high hopes in terms of ensuring that these two soon-to-be-established universities will bring progress to our respective provinces.
The infrastructural needs of the province have been complemented by studies such as Amara Mining Corridor, which is aimed at ensuring that we reinforce the Presidential Infrastructure Co-ordinating Commission plan that seeks investment, and also to ensure that as a province we prepare ourselves to adopt an infrastructure institutional plan that is intended to transform the economic landscape of our province. The province has a tremendous mineral resource which includes well over 80% of the world's manganese resource, ample iron ore and much more. Therefore, it is not surprising that the Northern Cape has the Amara Mining Corridor, which has the world's richest manganese and iron ore deposits in the world. What is very worrying is that little beneficiation is taking place in the province. This is therefore a matter that we have taken up with the national leadership that is spearheading this government.
It is also important to note that we have mentioned to the leadership of the country that there is a need to ensure that there is focus in terms of the revitalisation of the De Aar railway line which is a matter that was raised.
In conclusion, let me also take this opportunity to express our gratitude as the Northern Cape provincial government for the stewardship role that this ANC-led government has played in terms of ensuring that there is progress in the construction of the Square Kilometre Array, the SKA, and to ensure that those programmes that we have identified during the last Taking Parliament to the People programme in our province will be taken forward. I thank you. [Applause.]
Prince M M M ZULU
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Mr K MMOEIMANG
IsiZulu:
UMntwana M M M ZULU: Sihlalo nePhini likaSihlalo woMkhandlu kaZwelonke weziFundazwe, mhlonishwa iPhini likaMongameli wezwe uBaba uMotlanthe noNdunankulu wesiFundazwe saseMpumalanga uMnumzane uMabuza, amakhosi akhona phakathi kwethu, ongqongqoshe bezifundazwe zonke zaseNingizimu Afrika nondunankulu bezifundazwe abakhona, amaLungu aHloniphekile ePhalamende namalungu ahloniphekile esishayamthetho nomphakathi wakithi eNIngizimu Afrika, kube yinjabulo ephindiwe ukuthi kimina njengesakhamuzi saseNingizimu Afrika ukuba iPhalamende lihlale kulesi sifundazwe saseMpumalanga. Engikuthokozele kakhulu ngalesi sifundazwe ukuthi induna yezinduna yakhona ikuvumile ukuthi zikhona izinselele ngoba abanye baye baziphike. Ume njalo nje Mabuza, uvume uma kukhona lapha konakele khona.
Lesi sikhathi esikuso bakithi, Nkulunkulu wami, akusona esokudlala ngemizwa yabantu, senze izethembiso esingeze sazifeza njengosopolitiki. Namuhla wusuku lokuqhamuka namasu njengoba iPhalamende lihlangene lapha sisho ukuthi abantu bakithi sizobakhipha kanjani ezimweni zobubha nokungabi namandla okuzisiza. UMnyango wezoLimo kuhulumeni waMnumzane uZuma noMotlanthe kumele usungule amasu okutshala imali kakhulu kwezolimo ngoba alikho izwe eliyophila ngaphandle kokuthi lihamba lethekela ulwazi. Kufanele sipheze ukuba wonkashekile izinkalo zonke lezi.
Mhlonishwa Mabuza, ndunankulu ohloniphekile, iminyango yakho yahulumeni kufanele uyifake unswinyo ubone ukuthi lezi zindlu ezingaphelile koMkhondo nakwezinye izindawo zenziwa yini. Ingabe izinkampani lezi eziqokelwe ukuba zizakhe ziziqeda nini futhi zikhokhelwe kanjani imali yahulumeni abantu bakithi bengathole lutho?
Mhlonishwa Phini likaMongameli, eminyangweni yahulumeni kuzwelonke kwezamanzi nezemihlaba abantu bakithi bayahlupheka. Bafa obabamkhulu befela leli lizwe. Ubabamkhulu uDinuzulu wayequluse khona la eboshwe ngamaNgisi. Ake bayeke laba abathatha umhlaba wobabamkhulu bengawuthenganga bese beyidayisa umsheshelengwana kunganakekile ukuthi abantu bakithi bahlezi kanjani. Kunamapulazi eMkhondo lapho esafica khona umama engundingasithebeni ehholo ngoba bexoshiwe nomndeni wakhe endaweni yabo. Emva kweminyaka iminyaka eyi-19 sikhululekile lolu daba alukabi mqoka ezweni lakithi. Ingane eneminyaka eyi-19 isuke seyenza unyaka wesibili enyuvesi kodwa ushintsho alukabi khona. Kufanele uhulumeni wakho wenze okuthile ngalokhu.
USIHLALO WENDLU (Mnu R J Tau) : Mhlonishwa Zulu isikhathi sesiphelile.
UMntwana M M M ZULU: Namhlanje akusilo usuku lokuthi mina njengoMntwana ozalwa ebukhosini besizwe samaZulu ngizogiya lapha ngoba amanye amaqembu engenzanga kahle kodwa kufanele sibheke ukuthi konke kuhamba kahle emphakathini wabantu sifeze izifiso zabantu. Ngiyabonga.
Mr B L MASHILE
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Friday, 15 March 2013 Take: 21
Prince M M M ZULU
Mr B L MASHILE: Chairperson, Deputy President, Chairperson of the NCOP, the Premier of Mpumalanga, hon Members of Parliament members of the legislatures and all guests in attendance, it is appropriate that today, after a torrid week, we reflect on the challenges faced by the people of Mpumalanga, the home of the ANC.
A range of socioeconomic challenges has been raised by both the youth and the elderly. We have heard about structural challenges, economic challenges and historical challenges. The majority of these challenges have systems to deal with them. All that is required is for our communities to take their rightful place and address them. The rest requires leadership's attention, as they reflect lack of commitment and due regard by those entrusted with the power to deliver these services. The challenges raised since Monday cover the following: municipal services, unemployment, housing, public participation and corruption.
The Freedom Charter, the bedrock of ANC policy, clearly states "the people shall govern". This principle is advanced in many ways by our government systems. The Constitution guarantees us rights. These rights are inclusive of access to services, but limited by the availability of resources.
To ensure that municipalities and the other levels of government provide services relevant to the people, an integrated development plan, IDP, process is scheduled to take place every year in the form of a review. We need to make it clear that Speakers of municipalities, as custodians of public participation, should ensure popularisation of this process within their jurisdiction. The communities are seriously advised to take this process seriously to ensure that their wishes and priorities in relation to their development are elevated and provided. If communities attended the IDP process, we would not hear cries over bridges, community halls, streets, water, clinics, lights, sanitation, and sports grounds, etc.
To provide these services, national government provides financial resources through many funding windows, as well as conditional grants. Even this province has been allocated funds for this financial year. We have financial allocations made available to provide these services, but unfortunately, what we do need to raise is that public institutions and organs return funds every year to Treasury because of underspending.
Worst of all are problems relating to fruitless, wasteful and unauthorised expenditure that the Auditor-General chronically reports on in his audit reports. It is your money, and you should assist in channelling these resources to correct and appropriate deliverables in accordance with the IDP. The IDP is the Bible for service delivery and no unauthorised deviation should be allowed without proper consultation.
Unemployment is enemy number one of the current government. Youth employment is receiving attention through all departments and parastatals. All of us are aware of the major infrastructure roll-out launched late last year. Here we talk of some R827 billion of infrastructure over the Medium-Term Expenditure Framework. The ANC-led government believes that this infrastructure roll-out will grow our economy, which will create more job opportunities.
Local economic development needs to be elevated to higher levels in terms of human resources, financial resources and general relevant importance as a window for economic and community development. This department or directorate is key to reversing some of our negative economic variables, like unemployment, indigent registers and social grant registers. Local economies in small towns, townships and villages need serious attention. Communities should be areas of economic activity.
We are all aware that this government has adopted co-operatives as a strategy to fight poverty, unemployment and inequality – and, of course, we expect that it will also deal with corruption, moving forward. All that is left is to fine-tune the procurement systems so that we can pass the test of the Auditor-General. All the above systems should make a big dent on unemployment.
We also call upon the private sector to come to the party on job creation and contribute to socioeconomic development. In-house skills development within the private sector should improve the employability of graduates into the mainstream economy.
We all know that the Premier in this province, Comrade D D Mabuza, has made some decisive interventions in the department of human settlements recently. He is on record on raising his dissatisfaction on the lack of housing delivery in the province. We need to give these interventions time to prove their appropriateness. However, we need to call upon municipalities as delivery points to ensure the correct and appropriate identification of beneficiaries. They should also monitor the timeous delivery and quality of approved houses.
There is one democratic principle that can never be overemphasised. Repeating what I have already said, the Freedom Charter states "the people shall govern". This talks to public consultation and public participation. Only the ANC-led government has championed this principle so far.
This is undertaken in many facets. To mention a few: izimbizo that we are holding; People's Assemblies that we are also holding; Taking Parliament to the People, as we are doing today; the ward committee system that we have at local government level, and of course, the forceful integrated development plan process, of which legislation expects a mandatory review every year.
The abovementioned provide a multifaceted system that ensures that the voices of our people are heard. All that needs to be raised sharply is that public consultation and public participation require genuine commitment. Those obliged to consult should genuinely and objectively consult without taking shortcuts. Those that should participate and be consulted should genuinely and objectively participate so that they are properly consulted. This will remove the confusion and contradictions that we usually hear at public hearings. The gaps in public participation have in the past led to court cases.
We know our people. We know their challenges and the conditions they are living under. Since the dawn of democracy, the ANC-led government has made a lot of progress in the consolidation of freedom, enhancing economic growth, provision of electricity, water, and the rest. When all is said and done, there is more to be done to take our people further on a road to a better life. With continuous consultation and guaranteed access to the abovementioned democratic gains, we will achieve more. I thank you. [Time expired.][Applause.]
MS F F RADZILANI)
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Friday, 15 March 2013 Take: 22
Mr B L MASHILE
Ms F RADZILANE (Limpopo): The Deputy President of the Republic, His Excellency hon Kgalema Motlanthe; Chairperson of the National Council of Provinces, Ntate Mahlangu; hon Premiers; Members of the legislature and Members of the NCOP; hon Speaker; MECs present here; Salga leadership; executive mayors and mayors of our municipalities; hon councillors; the House of Traditional Leaders, all protocol is observed.
As Limpopo province, under the leadership of Premier Cassel Mathale, we are pleased to be afforded this rare opportunity to address a special gathering of the National Council of Provinces at the critical moment of speeding up service delivery to our people. We are here to inspect the work that has been done for our communities and to listen to our people in order to ensure that our planning and action speak to what is expected.
We are also here to account on what is being done, or not done, as part of building accountable and democratic public representative institutions. As public representatives, we have a constitutional obligation to not only deliver on the promises that were made but ensure that our people live the quality life that is endowed by plenty of opportunities.
The ANC-led government is continuing to improve health care facilities in Limpopo province in accordance with our pledge to increase the number of healthcare facilities that provide comprehensive HIV/Aids treatment and support. We have 486 facilities that provide for these services. We will continue to ensure that additional facilities are made available. More than 457 facilities are offering antenatal care as part of preventing mother-to-child transmission. The fact that many people are getting themselves tested to determine their status is an affirmative development that must be encouraged.
For the first time in the history of rolling out houses in the past four years, the ANC-led government in the province has successfully provided more than 70 124 houses to the people. We are completing houses that were previously abandoned by unethical and dishonest contractors. We have also put together a programme that will ensure the speedy refurbishing of houses that were destroyed by storms. Although we registered great strides in providing basic services to our people, many are still waiting to receive services.
We are motivated to report that more than 86% of households have access to water, and 87,3% have access to electricity in Limpopo province. The number of people with access to sanitation is also increasing, with municipalities playing a pivotal role to ensure that the dignity of people is not undermined or diminished.
In the past years, we have continued with the programme of improving the living conditions of our people through roads infrastructure development. We have constructed bridges for communities that were using sewayiwayi since the beginning of time. We have built more than 15 bridges in the past four years and further constructed 323km roads, linking communities with their active economic zones. This roads infrastructure development does not include those developments that are done by our municipalities.
As the ANC-led government, we have successfully built more than 54 state-of-the-art schools in the province from 2000 to date. Eight-two schools give many of our learners the opportunity to be taught in proper school buildings that are suitable for learning and teaching.
We continue to fulfil the promise of improving matric results in the province. In 2009, our Grade 12 learners in Limpopo obtained 48,9% pass rate. The 2010 results show much improvement when the pass rate scaled up to 57,9%. The 2011 Grade 12 results demonstrated remarkable improvements because we managed to obtain 63,9% overall pass rate. The class of 2012 managed to obtain 66,9% despite challenges that are facing the department of basic education in the province.
Our rural schools are still the best in producing good results in mathematics and science. As I have already indicated, despite all the challenges in Limpopo province, the number one learner in the country, in terms of achievements for the 2012 Grade 12 results, is from Limpopo, from the Sekhukhune district. She has proved the capacity of rural schools to produce best and quality results beyond any doubt. She managed to obtain 100% in mathematics; 100% in science; and 100% in accounting. These achievements are a living testimony of the fact that despite other challenges facing many of our rural schools, we are registering a remarkable progress in improving the standard of learning and teaching across the province.
We continue to work very hard in creating job opportunities for our people in the province. In 2011, we managed to create more than 90 000 jobs. According to Statistics SA, last year, between January and December 2012, we created more than 100 000 jobs for the people. This information does not come from us, the provincial administration. If one were to visit Statistics SA, they would be able to get reliable information. Although many people remain jobless, we are encouraged by these positive developments because they present a promising picture going into the future.
In conclusion, we are motivated more than ever to actualise our resolve of improving the living conditions of our people, regardless of their location. The people in the rural areas will continue to be given special attention through service delivery programmes and we will continue being biased towards them. We are determined not to fail in realising our resolve to give our people hope, and we are certain of victory.
Thank you for affording us this opportunity to address this Taking Parliament to the People event. We are convinced that these types of meeting will enhance our understanding of how far we have progressed in bettering the living conditions of our people. Working together, we are making a meaningful difference in the lives of our people. Thank you, hon Chair.
The PREMIER OF THE NORTH WEST PROVINCE (Ms T Modise):
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Friday, 15 March 2013 Take: 23
Ms F RADZILANI
The PREMIER OF THE NORTH WEST (Ms T Modise): Hon Chairperson of the NCOP, the Deputy Chairperson, I pay my respects to the Deputy President of the Republic of South Africa, Ntate Kgalema Motlanthe, hon premiers especially the hosting premier, acting premiers, Members of Parliament, SA Local Government Association, leadership from the different civic society organisations, ladies and gentlemen, we gather here three months before we celebrate . . . and I know ``celebrate'' is a very bad word to use in this context. It is three months before we observe the 100th year of the Native Land Act. We think that this Act, more than any other Act, is responsible for the predicament of most of the African people in this country.
We think that inequality in the allocation of space to develop and the deliberate removal of Africans from the lands of their birth into the most unarable parts of South Africa, the driest areas of South Africa; the unevenness of development even with the discovery of mineral resources in South Africa; the fact that education later on followed and was made as unequal as possible; the fact that the unequal and inaccessible health care services in our country have actually driven us to the point where we are today should not be something that we excuse. It should be something that drives us to move faster.
We, therefore, are happy that the national government will begin to help us move faster on the restitution of land. As the North West province, we already have plans in place to help those communities which will get their land back. We have already started with a programme for the six communities which have received their land back.
We want to say that, for us, agriculture begins to be a very important alternative to mining, because we host mining indirectly. We actually are just observers of mining activities in our province because, Deputy President, there is absolutely no beneficiation for our people that is taking place on the part of the mining sector.
In fact, we want to say that because we host mining, a lot of communities inside the Republic and outside the Republic, hungry for work, poor and uneducated, flock to those provinces which are mining. That creates a problem in what is already an unequal province in terms of the old formula, which we have inherited from the apartheid budgeting system. We think that we need to address this.
We argued that if you want to deal a blow to unemployment, to inequality, to poverty, if you want to really roll off and destroy poverty forever, you then need to relook at the system of budgeting that South Africa is engaged in. You can't always say because I am - maybe I should leave that argument for another place - but the fact of the matter is that, in the most undeveloped provinces, you have the least people and therefore the fiscus gives them the least. And therefore, we will always be running around behind, trying to catch up with backlogs even overtaking us.
We have done the little we can, Deputy President. Our queues are shorter in the hospitals. Our hospitals are more receptive and cleaner. In fact, we as the North West boast of being one of the first provinces to come up with a mechanism to cure Multidrug-resistant, MDR, and Extensively drug-resistant, XDR Tuberculosis. We also know that we have set up the first human-milk bank.
We also have our drop-in centres for people who come from the rural areas where facilities for maternity needs are very limited.
We want to work on providing the North West with public transport. We also want to ensure that whatever resources already exist do not go into the hands of business. Rather, they should accrue to the people of the North West.
This is because we think that one of the ways we have not looked at in regard to wealth creation is to ensure that the properties which people own in the rural areas, in the tribal communities, can actually help them in wealth creation. Because of this state of affairs, the land that is in the tribal communities belongs to the communities or the chiefs are the custodians and so these people cannot use their properties to leverage bank loans and thereby begin to improve their lives.
We are concerned, Deputy President, about the 30% pass rate of our children. We are doing something about it in the North West. We are concerned that the North West has a 24% unemployment rate and this is mostly among the young people. We are spending money on bursaries, on exchange programmes, creating and financing women and youth's co-operative, and we think that that is not enough. We think we must concentrate on ensuring that education actually begins to be the biggest weapon that we use as South Africans to destroy poverty and inequality.
We also think that the problem of water is not just a provincial problem. We think that a better plan has to be made and that our call for water rights should be placed with a national structure, which will reveal to us how to make sure that every community gets water.
We share the same problem as Mpumalanga, where you have huge reserves of water which is accessible to certain communities. It is the same with the North West: huge dams of water. There is dammed-up water, and black communities living next to the water source don't have water; they go dry. The water is being transported for sale to other countries.
We think that something needs to be done so that we can begin to address the availability of water, cleansing of water, and the deteriorating infrastructure of the waterworks.
We also are unashamed, Chairperson, to call for quiet, calm, and stability in our households and streets. We think that the increase of domestic violence against women and children has its root in the fact that there is a lot of anger in our communities; a lot of unemployment; a lot of ``I also want to arrive''. Therefore, we want to say that it is still not an excuse. In the North West we are working with churches, traditional leaders, and have embarked on a one-million-signature campaign against rape. We hope all the other provinces will join us and that we will call for a halt and decisive action against this scourge.
We want to say that the National Development Plan, NDP, for the North West is not just a plan that must float. The North West is therefore setting up a tactical committee, flowing from the province, local government, and the traditional leadership, to go into every municipality and every village and look at the integrated development plans, IDPs, and to see how they are incorporated into the North West's plan, which resides within the National Development Plan. We think if we don't do that we will be left behind.
We know from experience that, being the third from the bottom when it comes to allocation of resources, we do not want to leave planning for the North West to chance. We are grateful that the Presidential Infrastructure Co-ordinating Commission, PICC, is delivering our basic infrastructure, but we think that service delivery is empowered when communities, politicians and civil society plan and think together. Thank you very much sir.
Mr S M NKOSI (Salga)
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The PREMIER OF NORTH WEST (Ms T Modise)
IsiZulu:
IKHANSELA S M NKOSI (Salga): Ngiyabonga Sihlalo nePhini likaSihlalo woMkhandlu kaZwelonke weziFundazwe, ubaba uMahlangu nomama uMemela, uMhlonishwa iPhini likaMongameli ubaba uKgalema Motlanthe, umhlonishwa uNdunankulu waseMpumalanga uDavid Mabuza, oNdunankulu bezifundazwe abakhona namhlanje, abahlonishwa oSomlomo beziFundazwe, amakhansela omasipala, amalungu onke ePhalamende likaZwelonke neziShayamthetho zeziFundazwe, umhlonishwa uSodolobhu wasekhaya e-Chief Albert Luthuli umama uBusi Shiba, nazo zonke iziphathimandla iziMeya ezikhona namhlanje, uSihlalo weNdlu yaMakhosi ubaba uKgoshi Mokoena nabo bonke oNdabezitha kanye nawo onke amalungu omphakathi ngiyabingelela kulo mhlangano wesiShayamthetho.
English:
As the SA Local Government Association, Salga - the representatives of the organised local government – we are very pleased to have been part of this year's successful Taking Parliament to the People programme. Salga is committed to strengthening co-operative governance and intergovernmental relations between the three spheres of government and in assisting municipalities to find solutions to challenges they face in discharging their responsibilities, particularly the provision of services to communities.
The implementation of national and provincial policy aimed at the socioeconomic development of communities always plays itself out at a local level. When a national or a provincial department makes a policy decision on the implementation of a developmental programme or project, it is always implemented within the local sphere in municipalities such as Gert Sibande Municipaity, Chief Albert Luthuli Municipality and other municipalities in the country. Without consultation with the municipalities or without adequate support for the municipalities from national or provincial departments, socioeconomic development programmes will not be successful. It is likely that unintended consequences would negatively impact on development as a whole.
We therefore need to urgently accelerate our efforts to tackle the constraints hampering effective co-operative governance. The importance of effective intergovernmental relations and support has been particularly seen in this region or district in relation to roads, water and sanitation services provision as an example. Challenges of acid mine drainage and ineffective water purification can only be resolved through a co-ordinated response to this challenge.
We urge national and provincial departments to be involved in the integrated development plan, IDP, processes within municipalities so that socioeconomic development projects and programmes can be better aligned at all spheres of government. This, together with comprehensive consultation, will go a long way to ensure that projects are implemented and have the intended impacts on socioeconomic development and the upliftment of our communities.
As the sphere of government located closest to the people,
IsiZulu:
Uhulumeni oseduze nabantu. Njengohulumeni oseduze nabantu...
English:
...local government is centrally important in facilitating a conducive environment for participatory governance to take place.
IsiZulu:
Lapha eNingizimu Afrika ngokoMthethosisekelo wezwe sinezinhlaka ezintathu zikahulumeni ezinemisebenzi eyahlukahlukene noko kodwa lezi zinhlaka ezintathu zikahulumeni ziyasebenzisana futhi ziyalekelelana. Uma sisebenza siwuhulumeni sisebenza kanye nabantu. .
English:
It is vey important that we involve our people as we do our work. It is thus important that local government is inclusive and responsive to the needs of the people. As the collective voice of local government, Salga has played a critical role in furthering local governments' position in economic development through interactions at national and provincial platforms.
We believe that there are a number of fundamentals that need to be addressed. Firstly, better planning and alignment of districts, provincial and national strategic plans is needed. Secondly, there is a need to also recognise the differentiated approach to local economic development within poorer and more rural municipalities. Municipalities should have the appropriate capacity to manage economic development processes within their means and monitoring. Support instruments for economic development plans and strategies need to be developed.
As the local government we also need to better align ourselves to national government initiatives and to better access the available government funding to continue to encourage and invites all stakeholders and community organisations - all community members - to make a positive contribution that assists and enhances municipal economic development so as to intensify our collective efforts to stimulate investment opportunities in our local economies.
In conclusion, enhanced co-operation and unity of action from national, provincial and local government will enable government to work together effectively to meet the needs of South Africans and to achieve socioeconomic development for all. As Salga we remain committed in assisting our municipalities in Mpumalanga and throughout South Africa to do so. I thank you very much. [Applause.]
IsiZulu:
USIHLALO WOMKHANDLU KAZWELONKE WEZIFUNDAZWE: Ngiyabonga lungu elihloniphekile. Kunomsindo ophazamisayo kakhulu laphaya emuva. Ngicela sihloniphane sithule futhi silalele. Ngizothumela abasebenzi bakahulumeni baye laphaya emuva ukuze bonke laba abaphazamisayo bakhishelwe ngaphandle. Asibadingi la eNdlini uma bezosiphasamisa emsebenzini wethu. Ngicela ukuthi nithule, nilalele ngoba niphazamisa izikhulumi. Niphazamisa nabafuna ukulalela ukuthi kuthiwani.
The PREMIER OF MPUMALANGA
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The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP
IsiZulu:
UNDUNANKULU WESIFUNDAZWE (MPUMALANGA) (D D Mabuza): Sihlalo, ngiyabonga ithuba ongipha lona, ngibonga iPhini likaSihlalo, iPhini likaMongameli eliphakathi kwethu, uNdunankulu udadewethu uThandi nabanye abamele oNdunankulu, ngibonga kakhulu ukuthi nibe khona kule ndawo. Ngibonga amalungu oMkhandlu kaZwelonke weziFundazwe, amalungu eziShayamthetho, oNgqongqoshe abakhona phakathi kwethu, oNgqongqoshe beziFundazwe, uSihlalo weNdlu yamakhosi kanye namakhosi akhona ngaphakathi kwethu, iziMeya namakhansela onke kanye nabantu abahambele lo mcimbi. Ngithanda ukubonga imisebenzi eniyenzile selokhu nafika lapha. Ngibonga kakhulu amalungu oMkhandlu kaZwelonke weziFundazwe ngoba ukufika nokuhlala kwenu la namuhla akusho ukuthi nifike kulo leli sonto; seninezinsuku eziningi nikhona lapha kulesi sifundazwe.
Nihambe zonke izindawo nivakashela abantu bakithi kulesi sifundazwe. Ngibonga kakhulu umsebenzi eniwenzile. Ngibonga nabantu abakulesi sifunda i-Gert Sibande ngokubambisana nabaholi babo. Nenze umsebenzi omuhle kakhulu ngokuthi nibambisane la kulo mhlangano omkhulu. Angizwanga-ke ukuthi kube khona izigameko ezithile – ngiyabonga kakhulu.
Ngibonga inhlonipho nina bantu base-Gert Sibande eniyinikeze amaLungu ePhalamende. Niqhubeke nibakhombise leyo nhlonipho, nibeke izikhalo zenu ngenhlonipho. Engikubongayo futhi ukuthi nabo banihloniphile beza kini. Engifuna ukukuthembisa ukuthi thina ngeke sisebenzise ithuba lanamuhla sizikhukhumeze ngempumelelo yethu. Sizothatha konke enikushilo. Lapho enisigxeka khona ukuthi asisebenzanga kahle sizowuthatha lowo mbiko silungise. Silindele futhi ukuthi nizobuya ngokuhamba kwesikhathi nizobuza ukuthi yini esesiyenzile. Ukusihambela kwenu nonke namuhla asikuthathi ngeze.
We consider this meeting very serious and the issues that you are raising are very serious for our people. We are going to do our utmost to try and live up to your expectations because today, as much as we are gathered here, eyes and ears and the focus are about Mpumalanga, about Gert Sibande.
The challenges that we are faced with as a province and as a district, we are confident that we will overcome those. Working together we will overcome. Like we said when looking at Census 2011, the ANC-led government has made tremendous strides in trying to change the lives of our people for the better. I am saying that we are not going to fail you and our people. We see more and more improvement, taking from the census. It is not hearsay. There is access to water, electricity, roads; things are improving as indicated by the figures there. Of course there are certain things that still need to be done. We are quite aware of that.
IsiZulu:
Siyathembisa-ke ukuthi siyazazi lezi zinto futhi siyakwazi lapho sisasilele khona emuva - sizolungisa. Kungumsebenzi wethu. Esikucelayo nje ukuthi abantu ababambisane nohulumeni nabaholi babo. Sonke sisebenze kanzima ukuguqula izimpilo zethu zibe ngcono.
Nizwile-ke uma uMongameli evula iPhalamende, nilizwile iPhini likaMongameli likhuluma ngezinto ezizokwenzeka la esifundazweni. Sithi-ke nina bantu baseMpumalanga zilungiseleleni ukubamba iqhaza kuyo yonke le misebenzi ezokwenziwa la. Imisebenzi le izoshintsha izimpilo zenu. IMpumalanga ayizukufana nakuqala uma sesakhelwe inyuvesi. Kufanele sizilungiselele ukusebenzisa inyuvesi ukushintsha izimpilo zethu.
Ngibonga kakhulu isandla esifakwa nguhulumeni kazwelonke eMpumalanga ukusiza abantu bakhona. Ngibonge kakhulu koNgqongqoshe abakhona la esisebenzisana nabo. Ngifuna ukusho ukuthi uNgqongqoshe uMolewa kanye noNgqongqoshe uBaloyi sisayinde isivumelwano sokuletha amanzi ukususa zonke izingqinamba eziphambi kwethu ukuze silethe amanzi ebantwini. [Ihlombe.] Ngikhuluma nje kukhona imiphumela yaleso sivumelwano.
Kunemiklamo eminingi uNgqongqoshe azoyiqala ezosiza abantu baseMpumalanga. UNgqongqoshe uMotsoaledi ubone izinkinga esibhekene nazo kwezempilo kule sifunda i-Gert Sibande waphakamisa ukuthi uhulumeni omkhulu athathe lesi sifunda njengokuzoqaliswa kuso ukusebenza kwalolu hlelo. Ngibonga kakhulu ukuthi uhulumeni kazwelonke ebambisene nathi sizosebenza silungise zonke izibhedlela nemitholampilo ukuze zikwazi ukusiza abantu bakithi la e-Gert Sibande.
Thina-ke silwenzile ucwaningo sathola ukuthi izibhedlela zethu azikulungelanga ukusiza abantu. Izibhedlela zethu azihlanzekile, abasebenzi bezempilo abakwazi ukusiza umphakathi. Sikubheke konke lokhu. Sizimisele ukubambisana noNgqongqoshe siguqule yonke le nto ukuze uma umuntu engena esibhedlela abe nethemba lokuphila. Sibonile ukuthi kukhona abasebenzisana nohulumeni, osonkontileka, ikakhulu kule sifunda esabacela ukuthi bayosakhela izindlu, basifakele amanzi kodwa abawenzanga lowo msebenzi. Ngihambile mina ngafika lapho benza khona umsebenzi ngathatha isinqumo sokubaxosha [Ubuwelewele.]. Angiqondisisi kahle ukuthi uma mina ngizohamba ngiyocela osomabhizinisi ukuthi bangakhele indlu njengoba uSihlalo eshilo – bayakhe indlu ngezinyanga ezimbili nje bese uhulumeni ahluleke ukwakha indlu ngezinyanga eziyishumi. Angeke kwenzeke kanjalo. Kuzofuneka kushintshwe lokho. Umuntu oqashwe nguhulumeni ukuthi akalethe izinsiza kufanele azi ukuthi lezo zinsiza angeke zihlehliswe – abantu bayazidinga.
Ngishilo-ke ukuthi laba abenza umsebenzi wezinkontileka kuhulumeni kodwa bebe bengabasebenzi bahulumeni ngeke kusenzeka lokho kule sifundazwe. Thina-ke singuhulumeni wesifundazwe ngeke sinikeze umuntu imvume yokwenza umsebenzi nohulumeni ngoba lokho kwenza abantu bangasagxila emsebenzini wabo.
Sengiphetha, ngithanda ukuthatha leli thuba ngibonge kakhulu kini nonke enithathe isikhathi senu nazoba yingxenye yalolu hlelo. Empeleni beniyizivakashi ebezihlezi la zashiya imali la e-Carolina. Benithenga futhi nidla la. Uma senihamba i-Carolina kanye ne-Albert Luthuli zizoba ngcono kunangaphambilini kokuba nifike lapha. Ngiyabonga.[Ihlombe.]
Mr T E CHAANE
UNREVISED HANSARD
NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES
TAKING PARLIAMENT TO THE PEOPLE - MPUMALANGA
Friday, 15 March 2013 Take: 26
The PREMIER OF MPUMALANGA Mr D D Mabuza)
Mr T E CHAANE: Hon Chairperson of the Council, Deputy Chairperson of the Council, Deputy President of the Republic, hon Motlanthe, hon premiers, hon members, ladies and gentlemen, on the occasion of the opening of Parliament last year, His Excellency President Jacob Zuma, had this to say:
As a national Cabinet, we have taken a decision that we should do more to grow the economy in order to get rid of the problems of unemployment, poverty and inequality in the country.
Those are the three things we will face head on this year and in the coming years.
Hon Chairperson, various studies at home and elsewhere in the world have shown that the effects of poverty, unemployment, and inequality are often interrelated, so one problem hardly ever occurs alone. For example, lack of proper sanitation leads to the spread of old and new diseases. Impoverished communities often suffer from discrimination, social exclusion and crime, and are perpetually trapped in a cycle of poverty. This is what we have seen and heard since our arrival here on Sunday. We have seen and heard how merciless and cruel unemployment and inequality are to our society. Of course, we have also seen the beauty of the countryside.
Chairperson, since our arrival here, we have heard and witnessed first hand the impact of the onslaught of these triple challenges on our people. Indeed, poverty is evil; it crushes people, destroys their dignity and makes them feel useless and less human. It has driven our children into drugs, alcohol abuse and all sorts of self-destructing habits.
Allow me now to use an analogy in driving home my point. The point is, a baby cow is called a calf but when it has grown, it is called a cow. Now, if one looks closer at the origins of these challenges of unemployment, poverty and inequality, one finds that these three share the same DNA or genes with apartheid, our defeated enemy. We can safely now call these three the enemies of the people, not the ANC, as others would want us to believe. To support my point, His Excellency President Jacob Zuma, during the opening of the House of Traditional Leaders last week, said:
... the battle continues to reverse the legacy of apartheid colonialism, which is manifesting itself through abject poverty, mass unemployment and gross inequality.
Chairperson, allow me now to address some of the disruptive noises and grandstanding I have heard this morning, specifically from hon Sinclair of Cope. It is wrong to believe, simply because the ANC is not walking the same route as other parties, that we are lost as a nation. It is wrong for some to think that when the enemy is on the attack and unleashes its evil offensive, then they think they can stop it by merely shouting at the ANC and criticising it without bringing any solutions on board. That is a dangerous and poorly thought-out strategy, and does not help in this battle. You do not ...
Sesotho:
Ka Sesotho, ha o time mollo ka peterole; ha o etsa jwalo o a o eketsa.
English:
If truth be told, the ANC is the movement of the people: the ANC lives, the ANC leads and the ANC governs. For time immemorial, the ANC has championed the art of defeating enemies of the people and the ANC is on course to free our people from the bondage of this poverty that continues to ravage our people. Our government has, despite the persisting economic meltdown, continued to commit billions of rand to fulfil the promise of creating better lives for all.
The Minister of Finance has announced during the tabling of the Budget that R5,4 billion will be added to the local government equitable share over the three-year period to accommodate the rising costs of free basic services to the poor, and to support poor municipalities like the ones we are in. The new equitable share formula provides more funds to the municipalities with less revenue. It allocates almost R276 for each household to access free basic services. The Health Ministry has set aside funds to build new hospitals and clinics and refurbish existing ones in this district. The Ministry of Water Affairs, in concert with district municipalities, committed funds to make sure that there is access to clean drinkable water in this district.
The Ministry of Education has also committed itself to attend urgently to all challenges raised by our communities in this parliamentary hearing. Over R827 billion has been set aside for infrastructural development. Many funds have been established to help small business and to create jobs for the youth. To mitigate the burden on the lowest-earning workers, tax relief to the amount of R7,4 billion has been made available. Big businesses and state-owned enterprises have also made further commitments and proposals to expand business in support of our efforts to turn the tide against poverty. R4,3 billion is being committed to the new municipal water infrastructure grant; R5,3 billion for the manufacturing competitiveness enhancement programme; R1,65 billion for the new universities which will be built soon in Mpumalanga and in the Northern Cape; R935 million is earmarked to employ social workers, R600 million of which is to be given to the nongovernmental organisations to offset lower donor funding; and a further increase of R8,2 billion to conditional grants to, amongst others, expand HIV and Aids prevention. Hon Chair, all these have been done by none other than our ANC-led government.
Hon Chairperson, contrary to our detractors and critics, all these are done to defeat the three enemies mentioned earlier. The biggest challenge, though, is to ensure that once such funds reach departments and municipalities, they are used to deliver services that will benefit the poor. This is where we should work together to achieve more.
As public representatives, we want to join hands with our communities to safeguard these funds to make sure that we realise our plans, address our needs and make sure that there is value for money. We need each other more than ever before to win this battle. We need to teach those who think it is fashionable and heroic to burn our properties when raising issues that that is tantamount to selling out and backwardness.
The ANC remains the only tried and tested political voice of the poor and it shall continue to advocate policies aimed at improving our lives. We cannot afford to lose it or to allow it to be weakened. We should shun mediocrity and refuse anything less than quality. We should keep our eyes firm on the enemy and refuse to be derailed by corruption and poverty, as they are major causes of social tensions and threaten to divide us as nation. Like we defeated apartheid, so shall we overcome and win this battle. Hon Chairperson I wish to say "Aluta Continua", the struggle continues. I thank you. [Applause.]
The DEPUTY PRESIDENT
UNREVISED HANSARD
NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES
TAKING PARLIAMENT TO THE PEOPLE - MPUMALANGA
Friday, 15 March 2013 Take: 27
Mr T E CHAANE
The DEPUTY PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC: Hon Chairperson, hon Deputy Chairperson, hon Ministers, hon premiers, hon Members of the NCOP, Bayede, hon mayors, mine is a simple task.
In your input, hon Chairperson, you've already presented an accurate summary of concerns raised by communities throughout this district and that the NCOP will compile a report containing those concerns as well as suggestions and referrals to the various departments and Ministers who must respond to the concerns raised by our communities.
This session is neither the first nor the last where the NCOP takes Parliament to the people. It has happened before in other provinces, and it will continue to happen in future in some of the remaining provinces. Essentially, as evidenced by the animated debates and inputs by various speakers, once public representatives interact directly with communities, they are strengthened. They speak with fresh mandates, and that is why the debates today were very animated and instructive. Unlike when there is no direct contact, the debates tend to become abstract because they consist of what we read in books and not what affect our people directly. That is why old philosophers said that freedom means recognition of necessity.
IsiZulu:
IPHINI LIKAMONGAMELI WASERIPHABHULIKI: Mangiyichaze ngesintu le nto. Siwuhulumeni uma sifica abantu bakithi behlala emijodolo bengenazo izindlu okuthi uma lina kufane nokuthi bahlezi emnyango. Uma uhulumeni ebakhela izindlu zomxhaso abanikeze izikhiye lokho akusho ukuthi sekuqediwe njalo. Uma singuhulumeni asikwazi kuthi hhayi, sesiwuqedile wonke umsebenzi. Njengoba ubusho mhlonishwa Sihlalo ukuthi abantu bathe uma bekhalaza bethi umtholampilo usumdala, wafika la wakhuluma nongqongqoshe kanye nondunankulu walapha ekhaya – walungiswa-ke umtholampilo. Bathe futhi uma bekhalaza kulo leli sonto ngemitholampilo engenele. UNgqongqoshe uMotsoaledi washiya omahambanendlwana abathathu. Lokhu akusho ukuthi sekuqediwe ngoba...
English:
... the needs of our people multiply. In other words, ...
IsiZulu:
... uma umuntu engenayo indlu eqhamuka emjondolo simnikeza indlu kanye nokhiye, akusho ukuthi thina abamele umphakathi, amakhansela, ungqongqoshe noma undunankulu uma simnikeza ukhiye akufuneki sithi siwufezile umsebenzi. Akufuneki nihambe nizikhukhumeza ngalokho. Akusho lokho ngoba uma lo muntu evula umnyango, engena emzini wakhe ujabula ababaze ngoba laphaya emjondolo abehlala kuwona impahla yakhe yayihlala iyisijumbane kucwazi esibekwa phezu kwebhokisi - bese elala lapho ekhoneni. Uma esenikwa le ndlu yomxhaso enamagumbi amabili noma amathathu uyangena ajabule kakhulu ngoba empeleni usephume enhluphekweni ngoba akasezukungenelwa ngamanzi endlini kodwa-ke izimfuno zakhe ziyanda. Uma engena phakathi endlini iyambuza ithi: Uphi umbhede, uphi ugesi? Uma ugesi ukhona kufuneka iketela likagesi ngoba imbawula abeyisebenzisa laphaya ayisebenzi lapha – kufuneka ezinye izinto. Yingakho izingcichabuchopho zakudala zisho zithi...
English:
... freedom means recognition of necessity ...
IsiZulu:
...kusho ukuthi lo msebenzi wokusebenzela umphakathi awupheli bakithi. Singalokothi sithi sisebenzile, sihambe sizikhukhumeza la ngaphandle. Ngisho ukuthi ngalawa mazwi nani mphakathi ngithokoza kakhulu ukuba nani. Ngithemba ukuthi niyithathile imininingwane yokuxhumana namalungu oMkhandlu kaZwelonke weziFundazwe kanye noNgqongqoshe abebekhona la ngoba...
English:
... freedom means recognition of necessity ...
IsiZulu:
...ngomuso uma kukhona okunye okunixakayo kufuneka nazi ukuthi nikhalelaphi. Ningathuli nithi du sengathi nifile. Ngalawa mazwi ngibonga kakhulu Sihlalo. Nami kanye noMongameli sizobe silinde wona umbiko ukwenzela ukuthi ukuhlola ukusebenza kuhamba kahle noma cha. Ngiyabonga. [Ihlombe.]
Debate concluded.
USIHLALO WOMKHANDLU KAZWELONKE WEZIFUNDAZWE: Ngiyabonga kakhulu kuwe Phini likaMongameli ngokusifundisa okuningi mayelana nokuthi ...
English:
... the more we deliver, the more we want.
IsiZulu:
Kufuneka nathi sigxile nathi sisebenze kakhulu. Okwamanje ngizothatha leli thuba ngaphambi kokuba ngivale le Ndlu ngicela nonke nisukume nime ngezinyawo la nikhona ninganyakazi ukuze laba abaphethe lo msebenzi baphumele ngaphandle bese nilandela emva kwabo. INdlu isiyaguqa.
The Council adjourned at 13:09.
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