Hansard: NCOP: Questions to the Deputy President, Kgalema Motlanthe

House: National Council of Provinces

Date of Meeting: 24 Aug 2011

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UNREVISE HANSARD

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THURSDAY, 25 AUGUST 2011 PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES

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The Council met at 14:03.

The Chairperson took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayers or meditation.

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Order! Hon members, I have been informed that the Whippery have agreed that there would be no notices of motions or motions without notice, except for the motions on the Order Paper. However, we will give precedence to the questions addressed to the Deputy President.

QUESTIONS – DEPUTY PRESIDENT

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Question 7:

The DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Hon Chairperson, hon members and hon Sibande, let me start by quoting from the United Nations Declaration on Principles of International Law of 24 October 1970, which states as follows:

All states enjoy sovereign equality. They have equal rights and duties and are equal members of the international community, notwithstanding differences of an economic, social, political and other nature. In particular, sovereign equality includes the following elements: States are judicially equal; each state enjoys the rights inherent in full sovereignty; each state has the duty to respect the personality of the other states; the territorial integrity and political independence of the state are inviolable; each state has the right to freely choose and develop its political, social, economic and cultural systems; and each state has the duty to comply fully and in good faith with its international obligations, strictly, and to live in peace with other states.

It is important that all of us are familiar with these principles, which are the basis of South Africa's Constitution and foreign policy. Furthermore, Swaziland was a member of the African Union, formerly known as the Organisation of African Union, and SADC long before we established a free and democratic South Africa in 1994. At the same time, Swaziland is a founding member of the SA Customs Union, the oldest existing customs union in the world, established in 1910.

Let me also recall that SADC's vision is one of a common future within a regional community where the economic wellbeing; improvement of the standards of living and quality of life; freedom and social justice; and peace and security for the peoples of Southern Africa will be ensured. This shared vision is anchored in the common values and principles and the historical and cultural affinities that exist among the peoples of Southern Africa.

Our bilateral and other relations with Swaziland are basically informed by these factors. Swaziland was facing a severe cash crisis. Therefore the main reason for this loan was to help it through this budget predicament. Our financial and technical assistance to the Kingdom of Swaziland is aimed at preventing what is at the moment essentially a cash-flow crisis from becoming a financial and economic crisis.

South Africa's loan will be offered in three instalments, which will be transferred to the Central Bank of Swaziland. The first instalment will be given immediately after the signing of agreements. The subsequent equal payments will follow in October and February next year.

Under the loan's terms, Swaziland must protect the peg between the lilangeni, that kingdom's currency, and the South African rand. It must also strengthen financial reporting and the auditing of its accounts. In other words, Swaziland must implement both governance and fiscal reforms. Most importantly, it must increase dialogue with the Swazi people.

The terms of the agreement include that the government of Swaziland meet the following objectives: It must promote economic and social development, democracy, human rights and good governance. Swaziland must also comply with the fiscal reforms recommended by the International Monetary Fund. These will be monitored by a task team from the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, the South African National Treasury and the African Development Bank. It was also agreed that South Africa would work with Swaziland to build governance and fiscal capacity.

The promotion of the political and economic integration of the continent continues to drive the African agenda. As such, a commitment exists to provide impetus to this objective, which is rooted in the need to strengthen Africa's political, economic and social development as well as its peace and security agenda.

The South African government has committed to a deepened contribution to regional and continental security, stability and sustainable development. Within this context, strengthening regional integration in the SA Customs Union and SADC remains a major priority that will contribute to the sustained integration of the region into the global economy. South Africa places particular emphasis on political cohesion, economic integration and the building of efficient and responsive economic infrastructure.

Mr M P SIBANDE

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IsiZulu:

Mnu M P SIBANDE:Phini likaMongameli bengingacela lokhu okulandelayo ukuthi ubeke obala ukuthi...

English:

...is this Bill intending to reduce the number of people who are running out of Swaziland and into South Africa due to political instability, poverty and economic crisis?

IsiZulu:

Ngoba iPhini likaMongameli lichazile ukuthi isimo se-SADC sithini ...

English:

... with regard to stability. Contrary to what the Deputy President has said, there is no political stability in Swaziland. People are running away.

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: Hon member, I think that was actually a comment and not a question. Is there any other follow-up question? Oh, does the Deputy President want to comment on that? It was more of a comment than a question.

The DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Hon Chairperson, I agree that it was a comment. Indeed, people migrate for a variety of reasons, one of which may be the economic situation in a country. That is why we have many foreign nationals who are economic refugees and are migrating in search of better opportunities elsewhere.

With Swaziland being our neighbour close by, and if the situation should indeed become more dire, we may see an increased influx of Swazi nationals over our borders. However, this is really a loan from the South African Reserve Bank to the Central Bank of Swaziland. It is a loan entered into under the conditions that I have outlined.

Mr S D MONTSITSI

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Mr S D MONTSITSI: Chairperson, the Deputy President has outlined the assistance and the intention to create a peaceful atmosphere and also to support the development of Swaziland. I would like to find out from him if this ipso facto becomes policy within the Southern African region, with respect to all our neighbouring states – Mozambique, Botswana, Lesotho and so on?

The DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Chairperson, I think each case will be treated on its own merits should other members of SADC - God forbid that other SADC states should experience similar difficulties - want the advancement of such a loan. Remember, those countries that are members of the SA Customs Union actually get allocations from the Customs Union. This is even the case with this loan - if Swaziland defaulted, it would be recovered from the allocation from Sacu.

As I said, we hope that the SADC region will stabilise and experience economic development to prevent us from facing the kinds of problems that Germany is facing in Europe today. Germany is surrounded by countries that are unable to meet their debt obligations. We hope that we do not experience a similar problem here in this region.

Mr A LEES

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Mr A LEES: Deputy President, you have just indicated that should Swaziland default on repayments, our Reserve Bank would recover the money from the Customs Union's payments. Is it not true that the reason the Kingdom of Swaziland is in such a bad financial situation is the low revenue from the Customs Union? Therefore, if we were to stop that revenue to recover the loan, would that not then simply bankrupt Swaziland - which is exactly the motivation for giving them this loan now?

Secondly, it seems that despite the lack of any democracy in the Kingdom of Swaziland, the state of emergency and the locking-up of numerous political prisoners, no conditions have been placed on this loan to ensure that political prisoners are released and the state of emergency is lifted. Is that true?

The CHAIRPERSON OF THE NCOP: We allow only one follow-up question and you are now asking a lot. We will conclude with that one.

The DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Yes, indeed, it is true that if those who are in debt have to go out to secure loans to service their debt or other obligations, they actually sink deeper into debt. It is a vicious circle. That is why I said "were they to default". We are hoping that with these measures - these conditions imposed on them with regard to governance as well as fiscal efficiency - they will avoid sinking deeper into the red and that we should not find it necessary to make good this debt by appropriating their allocation from Sacu.

That is the situation that faces the United States of America. You will know that President Obama had a pitched battle to get approval to increase their debt levels so that he could borrow more money to service their debt and keep their heads above water. So, it is a vicious circle. It happens to individuals as much as it happens to countries.

It is not true that the loan was given without conditionalities. The conditionalities that have been outlined are in place and the first tranche of this loan will be released once all agreements are signed – the MOU and the agreement between the central banks. That government should engage in dialogue with its own people to ensure that there is engagement and democracy. The issue of prisoners and so on would be resolved in the course of that dialogue with the Swazi people. We hope that the system will allow for greater democratic participation by civil society and we hope that democratic institutions, including the Parliament, would be restored.

Mr A J NYAMBI

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Mr A J NYAMBI: Deputy President, my question is about the task team that will make sure that Swaziland is adhering to fiscal efficiency and the accountability of that task team. You have mentioned a number of stakeholders coming from various institutions. To whom will they account?

The DEPUTY PRESIDENT: The International Monetary Fund, IMF, and the World Bank are involved to monitor the reforms that Swaziland is expected to implement. The reason is that Swaziland is in debt and can't apply for a loan from any other source without the approval of the World Bank and IMF because it already owes them quite a handsome amount. That is why they are involved in this one. They had to be involved to ensure that the measures that have been recommended are adhered to.

South Africa also has an interest in ensuring that the measures are implemented and that there is better fiscal management. As you know, Swaziland is a monarchy and I suppose a royal house is ordinarily not exactly accountable to its subjects. This situation creates a window for even His Majesty to subject himself to the fiscal management of the national kitty. Historically, in the past, some monarchs always introduced themselves as the state itself. They are the personification of the state.

QUESTION 8

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QUESTION 7

Question 8:

The DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Hon Chairperson and hon members, as you are aware the Moral Regeneration Movement, MRM, is a partnership between government and civil society. The MRM developed a Charter of Positive Values, which forms the basis of all the programmes it runs. In particular, the MRM is holding social dialogues in communities, where people discuss matters of concern and explore how the Charter of Positive Values can be applied as a useful instrument to deal with social issues, like domestic violence. For obvious reasons, there is a specific focus on young people who can use the charter as a guide to mould their lives.

The leadership of the MRM also speaks of the Charter of Positive Values whenever they are required to address civil society organisations, or when they are doing interviews on radio. The MRM is an integral part of the planning and leveraging of Heritage Month, Women's Month and 16 Days of Activism against Gender Violence.

July is designated Moral Regeneration Month, during which there are activities in all provinces aimed at helping communities to rededicate and recommit themselves to moral renewal, as well as to foster social cohesion. For example, last July the MRM organised sporting activities between Somali nationals and locals in the Nelson Mandela Bay Municipality. In KwaZulu-Natal, they organised cultural and musical events that included people from the Great Lakes region. These are helping to foster greater understanding between foreign nationals and local communities.

QUESTION 9

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QUESTION 8

Question 9:

The DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Chairperson and hon Mr Mashile, according to Statistics SA, it is estimated that the number of people living with HIV in 2011 is 5,38 million. This translates into an HIV prevalence of 10,6% for the overall population and 16,6% for the 15- to 29-year age group. Among pregnant women, HIV prevalence has gradually levelled off to just below 30%.

In terms of HIV incidence, which is the rate of new infections, estimates suggest an annual incidence of 2,0% to 2,4% in the first half of the decade starting in 2000 and about 1,2% to 1,7% in the second half of this last decade. The rate of new infections continues to outpace our prevention efforts and thus prevention programmes will be prioritised in the new National Strategic Plan, which is being developed for the term 2012 to 2016.

In reflecting on the question of whether South Africa is winning the battle against HIV/Aids, it is instructive to note that South Africa has invested a large amount of resources into its HIV response. There are a number of interventions for prevention, treatment, care and support, as well as programmes to mitigate the impact of HIV on those infected, as well as their families and communities. In this regard, a number of successful programmes have begun to show impact. These include the programme for prevention of mother-to-child transmission of HIV, which has yielded remarkable results. Recent health statistics show that transmission rates have declined from 10% to 3,5% over the last three years, with KwaZulu-Natal reporting a further improvement: Theirs is down to 2%. South Africa has the largest antiretroviral treatment programme, with over 1,3 million people currently receiving treatment.

In addition, on 12 August this year government announced a new policy that people who are infected with HIV and have a CD4 cell count of 350 and less will be eligible for antiretroviral treatment. This means that more people will have access to treatment before they become too ill. An important issue to note is that the number of deaths due to HIV-related causes is beginning to show a decline due to the intensification of antiretroviral treatment.

Research conducted by the Human Sciences Research Council, HSRC, also shows that young people are engaging in safer-sex practices by using condoms and this has led to a slight decrease in new infections among young people. Over the last 15 months, South Africa embarked on the world's largest HIV counselling and testing campaign, which resulted in more than 14 million people being tested, of which 2 million people were found to be HIV positive.

Given the fact that South Africa has a huge challenge and burden of disease due to HIV, the impact of current interventions will bear fruit over a period of time, due to the nature of the infection. However, it is critical to emphasise that prevention is the key pillar of our response and all sectors of society must collaborate and unite in efforts to reduce new infections. I thank you for your attention.

Mr B L MASHILE

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Mr B L MASHILE: Thank you, Deputy President. The follow-up question relates to the fact that during the third Parliament, and even before, there had been a countrywide complaint among the people that the South African government did not take Aids seriously. How would you describe the mood now, with the interventions that you have made as government?

The DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Thank you very much, hon member. The government, through the Minister of Health, is working very well with all the stakeholders within the South African National Aids Council, Sanac. That has improved the attitude towards testing and counselling. Many people who in the past would have had to protest and even approach the courts to nudge government or persuade government to provide treatment are today working very closely with government through Sanac. So, that is being recognised, even by the UNAIDS secretary, Dr Sidibé.

It is also being recognised by other nations that the fight against HIV/Aids in South Africa is regarded as a national challenge and all stakeholders are working in concert to reduce new infections and to ensure that those who are already infected receive the requisite treatment.

The "group of champions", consisting of former presidents in the Southern African Development Community, SADC, region, has also added its support and commendation for the efforts that the South African government, together with Sanac, is making.

QUESTION 10

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QUESTION 9

Question 10:

The DEPUTY PRESIDENT: Hon Chairperson, hon Mr Feldman, I would like to thank you for raising the important question of the high level of inequality in our society. Whether we measure this inequality by means of the distribution of income, assets, access to services or access to opportunities, it is true that the differences we see in our society between and within various groups of the population is undesirable, whether we are the world's most unequal society or not.

It is undoubtedly true that South Africa remains one of the more unequal societies among those that are reliably measured. It is a consolation, however, that we have considerably reduced the poverty rate since the early 1990s, mainly through initiatives that I will mention shortly.

The reasons for persistent inequality are not hard to find: Firstly, in contexts of high inequality, growth is often concentrated among sectors that benefit the advantaged. The poor, on the other hand, are likely to be excluded from market opportunities, or lack the resources to benefit from growth and participate meaningfully in the economy. Secondly, high levels of inequality make it harder to reduce poverty, even when economies are growing.

Thirdly, inequality makes it harder to incorporate the poor and disadvantaged in the growth process. Inequalities constrain their productive capacity and their potential contribution to development.

Fourthly, in highly unequal societies, the poor are more likely to be locked into the informal and subsistence economy. This may limit the size of the domestic market and thus retard the potential for sustained growth.

Lastly, high levels of inequality may undermine the realisation of civil, political and social rights. They may raise the level of deviant behaviour and sow disharmony.

Thus, when you grow in a historically unequal society, unless you deliberately intervene to reduce inequality, the situation will remain unequal, or even worsen. It is for these reasons that we find the current levels of inequality undesirable. In understanding the multidimensional nature of poverty and inequality, government has adopted a multifaceted response that deals simultaneously with deprivation and exclusion.

Accordingly, we have programmes to encourage investment in job creation by the private sector in urban and rural areas. We have temporary public employment programmes, such as the Community Work programme and the Expanded Public Works Programme. We have programmes to improve the quality of health care and education as a basis for growth. We have very substantial social security programmes, including child support and old-age pensions. We also have major investment programmes in infrastructure to increase our competitiveness and our quality of life. These programmes have helped us to reduce poverty, especially among the poorest, even if inequality remains unacceptably high.

Many jobs were created in the past decade. In March 2001, employment stood at 11,1 million and the rate of unemployment was 29%. In the first quarter of 2011, even after losing close to a million jobs in the worldwide recession, employment stood at 13,1 million and the unemployment rate was 25%. So, in fact, close to 3 million jobs were created, but sadly nearly a million of those were lost in the worldwide recession.

While much progress was made in the area of job creation up to 2008, the global economic crisis has had a significant impact on the South African labour market. Consequently, it reversed some of the gains in the fight against poverty and inequality. Nevertheless, we still have much higher levels of employment and lower levels of poverty than we had in the South Africa we inherited.

Looking ahead, achieving the necessary decreases in unemployment, poverty and inequality requires strong, sustainable and inclusive growth that underpins much faster job creation. In this regard, the New Growth Path targets 5 million jobs by 2020. It provides a framework within which we can address the critical challenges of unemployment, poverty and inequality – and, in addition, improve the pace and quality of service delivery.

We are confident that the policies and programmes of this government, including the New Growth Path, will help us to roll back unemployment and considerably reduce inequality. I thank you for your attention.

Mr D B FELDMAN

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Mr D B FELDMAN: Hon Chairperson, I thank the hon Deputy President for the in-depth answer. I would just like to know: Does relocating the War Room on Poverty to the Department of Rural Development and Land Reform mean that the Presidency surrenders? If not, what are the relevant details?

The DEPUTY PRESIDENT: No, it does not mean that the Presidency is throwing in the towel. On the contrary, I remain the champion, even though the War Room is now located in the Department of Rural Development and Land Reform. I still continue to be the champion of this initiative.

QUESTION 11

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Question 11:

The DEPUTY PRESIDENT: When I addressed the National Women's Conference in Gauteng on 3 August this year, I spoke about the problems of patriarchy and the need to engage men and boys in the work of gender equality. I went on to say that changing patriarchal attitudes and practices goes to the centre of democracy and the spirit of the Constitution and that there is recognition that patriarchy and economic exclusion are the roots of discrimination against women.

It was in this context that I referred to the planned gender equality Bill. The Bill will align and strengthen co-ordination between the various laws, policies and practices, including those that talk to patriarchy, that are intended to promote gender equality, as well as co-ordination within government itself, and between government and its key social and development partners. The Bill is being piloted by the Minister of Women, Children and People with Disabilities and it would thus be better to engage directly with her regarding the details.

However, as you may be aware I also stated in my address at the conference that policy and legislation are critical in changing practices based on patriarchal attitudes and behaviour but it is difficult to legislate attitudes away. For this purpose there needs to be work that focuses on changing attitudes.

While these attitudes permeate all sections of society, government is seeking to engage traditional leaders in particular as the custodians of culture and to work towards incorporating aspects of gender in their initiation schools. We are also seeking to include gender issues as part of the school curriculum of the Department of Basic Education.

I trust that members of this national council will also assist in engaging their constituents and constituencies in promoting a change in attitudes on matters of patriarchy.

Mr D A WORTH: I would like to thank the Deputy President. He has actually answered follow-up questions too. I'm glad that his answer can be taken as a comment that traditional leaders and schools will be involved, particularly in deep rural areas, where it is difficult to change customs and traditions.

QUESTION 12

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QUESTION 11

Question 12:

The DEPUTY PRESIDENT: The Commission for Short-term Job Creation has as not yet been established. The Presidency, the Department of Economic Development and other economic and employment cluster departments are still working out the specific details, including the mandate and programme of work for that commission.

MOTION PRINTED ON THE ORDER PAPER IN THE NAME OF THE CHIEF WHIP

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QUESTION 12

CONSIDERATION OF THE REPORT ON THE INTERVENTION IN THE EASTERN CAPE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION

(Draft Resolution)

The CHIEF WHIP OF THE COUNCIL: I move without notice:

That the Council, notwithstanding Rule 247(1), which provides that a sitting of the Council will be dedicated to oral questions, considers the report of the Select Committee on Education and Recreation on the intervention in the Eastern Cape Department of Education.

There was no debate.

Question put: That the motion be agreed to.

IN FAVOUR: Eastern Cape, Free State, Gauteng, KwaZulu-Natal, Limpopo, Mpumalanga, Northern Cape, North West, Western Cape.

Motion accordingly agreed to in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution.

FIRST ORDER

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MOTION PRINTED ON THE ORDER PAPER IN THE NAME OF THE CHIEF WHIP

CONSIDERATION OF REPORT OF SELECT COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION AND RECREATION ON OVERSIGHT VISIT TO EASTERN CAPE FROM 16-19 AUGUST 2011, FOLLOWING THE INTERVENTION BY NATIONAL DEPARTMENT OF BASIC EDUCATION

Ms M W MAKGATE: Chairperson, hon members and the public at large, having been briefed by the Department of Basic Education and having conducted an oversight visit to the Eastern Cape, where we interacted with various role-players and stakeholders, including the MEC for Education in the Eastern Cape, the chairperson and members of the provincial Portfolio Committee for Education, the HOD and officials of the Eastern Cape Department of Education, the convener of the intervention task team, officials of the Eastern Cape Department of Roads and Public Works, various teacher unions as well as principals, educators, representatives of learners, parents and members of school governing bodies of certain schools in Bisho and Libode in the Eastern Cape, the Select Committee on Education and Recreation recommends the following.

First, the NCOP should support and approve the intervention by the Department of Basic Education in the Eastern Cape Department of Education in terms of section 100(1)(b)of the Constitution.

Second, the intervention should be conducted in the spirit of co-operative governance, with the Eastern Cape province remaining the key pillar of service provision and without displacing the provincial sphere of government. The intervention must be conducted with a collaborative approach to provide support and direction to the provincial Department of Education to bring about a sustainable turnaround and ensure the efficient and effective delivery of the educational service in the province.

Third, the affairs of the provincial Department of Education should be investigated as a matter of urgency to establish whether any provision of the Public Finance Management Act or any other legislation has been contravened. We also recommend that allegations of fraud, corruption and maladministration in the department be investigated urgently and that appropriate action and steps be taken against any perpetrators.

Fourth, the Department of Basic Education, in collaboration with the Eastern Cape Department of Education, should provide the council with the following: a comprehensive problem analysis, which also sets out the root causes of the challenges; the final intervention plan, indicating the corrective measures taken or to be taken to address the challenges; details of the functions or responsibilities that have been assumed or taken over and by whom it was assumed or takenover, as well as details of all delegations of powers, functions or duties and to whom it was delegated; a comprehensive report within 14 days on the progress made since the intervention began and, thereafter, quarterly reports on the progress.

An audit must be provided of all backlogs in respect of proper school infrastructure and facilities, or the lack thereof, as well as a comprehensive programme, with timeframes, to eradicate such backlogs. This must include the eradication of mud schools. Thereafter, the council must be provided with quarterly reports on the progressof the eradication of such backlogs with regard to the lack of infrastructure.

It must be ensured that all outstanding learner support materials, including all books, are delivered to schools as a matter of urgency, in order to facilitate effective teaching and learning. In future, all learner support material must be delivered to schools by not later than the first day of the new academic year.

Furthermore, it must be ensured that teacher union meetings and department workshops to be attended by educators are held after hours in order to avoid the disruption of teaching and learning time.

Lastly, the council must review the intervention regularly and make further recommendations to the national executive if and when necessary.

Debate concluded.

Question put: That the Report be adopted.

IN FAVOUR: Eastern Cape, Free State, Gauteng, Kwazulu-Natal, Limpopo, Mpumalanga, Northern Cape, North West, Western Cape.

Report accordingly adopted in accordance with section 65 of the Constitution.

The Council adjourned at 14:47.

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