Hansard: Appropriation Bill: Debate on Vote No 19 - Sport and Recreation
House: National Assembly
Date of Meeting: 21 Apr 2010
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THURSDAY, 22 APRIL 2006
PROCEEDINGS OF EXTENDED PUBLIC COMMITTEE – COMMITTEE ROOM E249
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Members of the Extended Public Committee met in Committee Room E249 at 14:05.
The House Chairperson, as Chairperson, took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayers or meditation.
The MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION
Start of Day
APPROPRIATION BILL
Debate on Vote No 19 - Sport and Recreation
The MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: House Chairperson, esteemed members of sports organisations, the president and the leadership of the SA Sport Confederation and Olympic Committee, Sascoc, the president and the leadership of SA Football Association, Safa, as well as the president and the leadership of the SA Rugby Union, Saru, the CEO of the Local Organising Committee, LOC, our veteran sports administrators led by the venerable Johnnie Mambec, hon members, comrades, compatriots and friends, we are left with 49 days before we kick off the first ball to launch the Fifa World Cup tournament for 2010, where South Africa will be earning its first points against Mexico. [Applause.]
In his letter to the Fifa president in 2003, then President Mbeki emphasised that the foundation of South Africa's bid to host the World Cup was a resolve to ensure that the 21st century unfolds as a century of growth and development in Africa. He said:
This is an African journey of hope - hope that, in time, we will arrive at a future when our continent will be free of wars, refugees and displaced people, free of tyranny, of racial, ethnic and religious divisions and conflicts, of hunger and the accumulated weight of centuries of the denial of human dignity.
The same sentiments were definitely in the minds of soccer officials like the late Sticks Morewa when they mooted the idea of South Africa as the host of a Fifa World Cup. These leaders will be the first to confess that they were inspired by the release of Dr Nelson Rholihlahla Mandela from prison and the subsequent historic democratic elections of 1994.
The announcement in Zurich on 15 May 2004 that South Africa would host the 2010 Fifa World Cup was met with great excitement. South Africa went amok with excitement. Africa, and most countries of the world, flooded us with letters of congratulations, and our embassies were compelled to organise celebrations even without having budgeted for them. They had to contend with gatecrashers as a result of those unplanned celebrations.
Since that day, South Africans have proudly risen to the task of preparing, organising and hosting a memorable World Cup. We needed to make sure that such a World Cup would also be a project of the nation that would contribute to nation building, unity and patriotism. We have succeeded. South Africa, Africa and many parts of the world burst into joyous celebration. But that joy was soon dimmed by questions of our readiness, transport capabilities, questions of suitable accommodation and, of course, crime and security questions. These were all very legitimate concerns but they were raised with gusto and venom and distortions that were clearly born of afro-pessimism. We confounded all pessimists and "plan B" harbingers were silenced.
The resilience and patriotism of South Africans has been exceptional. Our people never took their collective eye off the ball. Our hopes, and those of the continent, continue until today to be our lodestone, our source of courage and inspiration.
We have come to within 49 days of the tournament- the biggest in the world. Congratulations to all of us. We must remain united in our resolution to deliver a world-class event, a unique and memorable World Cup that will position us as significant global players in all fields of human endeavour.
Recently, the murder of the Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging, AWB, leader was enough for a British tabloid The Daily Star to boldly declare that World Cup fans faced "a bloodbath" in our country. Despite this and many other attempts in the world to cast doubt, Fifa, our continent and the friends we do have elsewhere in the world have rallied behind us because they know that with their support and our unity, we can and will deliver the best football fiesta ever.
The Fifa World Cup presents us with an ideal forum to extend an unforgettable South African welcome to the World. It offers us a golden opportunity to collaborate with all stakeholders in a dynamic partnership based on integrity and excellence. It is a strong catalyst towards the building of national and continental pride and unity. It is already boosting tourism in our own economy. The World Cup must make South Africa a favourable destination to visit and for conducting business. It must reduce afro-pessimism.
In June last year, we hosted a very successful Confederations Cup. After the game in which Italy was beaten by Egypt, one of the tabloids in Britain announced: "Africa defeats the world." They did not say, "Egypt defeats Italy." In the anti-doping world, we have a strong partnership with people who are very experienced in the art of testing those who try to enhance their performance. We are confident that South Africa will be found ready.
At the beginning of this year the President of South Africa, President Jacob Zuma, said:
We have been working hard towards bringing this event to Africa. We have built new and revitalised existing stadia and we have upgraded our transport and accommodation facilities. We have demonstrated our pedigree by successfully hosting the 2009 Fifa Confederations Cup and the final draw for 2010…..
Here the President opens a window for all to see the huge investment our government made in infrastructure development and in the construction of the image of South Africa and Africa as legitimate members of the family of nations. For once, we should not be shy to give ourselves a big pat on the back - all of us. [Applause.]
The World Cup has opened many people's eyes to other countries and their cultures. For our youth, it is inculcating a sense of national pride and exposes them to other cultures, teaching them to respect diversity. This is good for good citizenship. It is good for the building of a nondiscriminatory and nonxenophobic South Africa. This is good for internationalism and a peaceful world.
Our department is doing an audit of the socioeconomic benefits that have accrued to our people from hosting this great event. We will also do an assessment of the spiritual and political legacies of the World Cup – matters regarding values, cohesion and so on. We have started the process of auditing these legacies of the World Cup. This work should be finished by the end of August 2010. In the words of our President, "We urge all South Africans to support our national team."
And, of course, let us support the other five African teams. Let us all support our continent. Let us also support sport. Yes, let us also support the teams from other parts of the world. Football and sport are more than games. Sport is a great catalyst for national unity and cohesion.
Our department is tasked with co-ordination and we have made sure that the ministerial committee and Cabinet get regular reports from the Technical Co-ordinating Committee, both on what the departments and spheres of government are doing and on what the LOC is taking decisions on. The Technical Co-ordinating Committee made sure that all spheres of government delivered on their guarantees - all of them. I know there were difficulties in some areas to agree on the matrix of roles and responsibilities, but all that is water under the bridge. It has also acted as our cutting edge in negotiations with the LOC, Fifa and other players. We salute the co-operation that we received from everybody. Nothing, absolutely nothing, came easy.
At this juncture, we can proudly announce that all stadia have been completed. As we speak, all stadia are in the clear. [Applause.] All these world-class facilities are being handed over to the municipalities as we speak. Those that have not been handed over yet will be long before the cut-off date of 15 days before the tournament. This has confounded all our critics.
During this period, our people had access to opportunity. Professional architects, engineers, semi–skilled and nonskilled workers could acquire additional skills and their skills could rub off on other people. These skills will not be lost because delivering infrastructure to our country is an ongoing government project.
Allow me to talk about the world and the African agenda. South Africa has just concluded an unprecedented 10-year stint as board and executive committee member of the World Anti-Doping Committee. This has never been achieved by any other country in the world. It is the first time, from 1999 until 2010, that South Africa has represented Africa on this forum. We can also report that we have now handed over that responsibility to Tunisia. Tunisia has been given that responsibility for one year.
We have also relinquished our chairpersonship of the Zone VI Supreme Council for Sport in South Africa, SCSA, because Swaziland is the next host of the Under-20 Games in 2011. Swaziland's Minister is now the new chairperson. Although we continue to serve on the Troika, fact is that this morning I received a letter from the Secretary-General of SCSA, pleading with us to continue some of those tasks - the task of integrating the SCSA into the African Union, AU, and the task of finalising the dispute that is taking place among our netball-playing countries. The International Federation of Netball Associations, IFNA, is convening a meeting and is asking us to be present and help resolve those issues.
South Africa has not let you down. South Africa has not let Africa down. We have strong relationships with German Technical Cooperation, GTZ, and other European Union, EU, development institutions. They are helping us with skills development, capacity building and also the development of a toolkit for sport as a catalyst for development and peace, as well as skills management.
Our co-operation with the Tourism Department is getting stronger. It is also spurred on by our successes and the challenges of having to facilitate the hosting of mega events. I know that we had tendered to host the 2015 Rugby World Cup and lost, but there is a myriad others who want to bring their international competitions here. This is a big boost for our tourism and the community, to the extent that we have worked out a co-operation protocol with the Department of Tourism.
These successes have not gone unnoticed in the world. The United Nations, UN, the International Olympic Committee, IOC, World Anti-Doping Agency, Wada, and a whole range of sport federations see South Africa as a preferred host of mega events. For the first time the IOC will have its general assembly on the African continent. It will be in eThekwini in 2011.
Wada is also negotiating with us, iyasifilisha [They are sensing our feelers], to be hosts of their world conference. If we agree, it will bring to South Africa all the representatives of sports movements, from the Olympic to the non-Olympic sporting organisations, and of all the governments of the world, because Wada is also a body of all the governments of the world.
Of course, South Africa has always had to work within the African collective. We are pleased with our role and we are pleased with the solidification of the African agenda. The AU considers South Africa a leading country on policy development and the integration of sport structures and policies, also of policy issues regarding gender and people with disabilities.
We also rely on our local partners. Sport is alive and well in this country, as we saw with the successes of our athletes in Berlin last August, as well as the successes of our individual athletes and our group sports in different tournaments of the world.
As early as 1990, the sports movement realised that the fiscus would not be able to meet all the developmental needs of South Africa. Even then we knew that sport and recreation would be a stepchild in the hierarchy of needs and allocations. For this reason, we started the process to lobby for the establishment of a national lottery to assist the fiscus in funding the needs of sport. Somehow we lost any say in these matters. I don't know exactly what happened. I think we took our collective eye off the ball and the dividends of the national lotteries do not accurately or in a co-ordinated manner contribute to the national agenda of reconstruction and development.
There is a light at the end of the tunnel, though. The new Minister of Trade and Industry and the new Chairperson of the National Lotteries Board seem to understand where we want to go. We want to continue engaging them. We must support them as they try to bring the National Lotteries Act onto the right track. The bottom line for us is that section 25 of that Act must be amended. We can't have sports funds that are managed and remote-controlled by some entity that has no appetite for sport. Trade and Industry is not a sports ministry. It does not do sport; it does not know sport; it does not have a passion for sport. This is God's truth. So we think that the money that is accruing for sporting activities must be in the hands of the sports persons themselves. [Applause.]
We also believe that Cabinet must still revisit the old decision vis-à-vis the consolidated Municipal Infrastructure Grant, MIG. The record of infrastructure delivery since the advent of the MIG speaks for itself. We are not willing to give up this fight, even if it makes us a lot of enemies. We are willing to listen to compelling arguments that help us build the much-needed facilities. Failure here only entrenches in our communities the legacy of the Group Areas Act as well as the Separate Amenities Act. Failure is not an option. [Interjections.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr K O Bapela): Minister, your time has expired, but you have five minutes at the end which you can exhaust, if you want to, and complete your speech. The ANC will probably save you time later. I'm not sure.
The MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: No, the DA will donate five minutes. [Laughter.]
I cannot sit down without raising the issue of school sports. We have a Memorandum of Understanding, MoU, with the Department of Basic Education. We will be lying if we said that MoU is achieving the intended goal. For that reason, we are looking at ways and means of reaching out to school kids without offending other people who deal with them.
We cannot and will not rest just because we have the odd tournament in March, and another one in September, and we go to the Confederation of School Sport Association of Southern Africa, Cossasa, regional games, when we know very well that the children who have been excluded from sports continue to be excluded. We want to intensify our efforts, using tactics that will not be offensive to anybody but also not injurious to our purpose to establish those school sport structures.
I did a little check and I saw that where sport succeeds, it is not because of some miracle. It is because those schools are doing sport exactly as we did it in our school days in the 1960s. The teachers, pupils and federations are responsible for the running and the development of sport. That is our intended objective. Chairperson, let me stop here so that I can save my five minutes. Thank you. [Applause.]
Mr B M KOMPHELA
The MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION
Mr B M KOMPHELA: Chairperson, hon members, hon Minister and the Deputy Minister - Deputy Minister, welcome home after being stuck in Europe due to a volcano cloud - today, we are talking about working together towards sports excellence. Hon Minister, you raised an important point when you were talking about the "six pack". I want to raise this before I start.
The people of this country who are going to watch the six African countries that qualified for the World Cup do not even know who are leading those teams. I think the SABC must turn that around by saying that the World Cup is going to be in Africa and these six African countries have qualified for it, rather than showing us other things that may be good but not related to the development of sport in the country. Our people would like to know the background of those six African teams. At least our people must say, "We hope that one of the African teams will end somewhere in the quarter finals of the World Cup."
The department has six programmes. All of them are critical and fundamental to transformation. One of these programmes is the 2010 Fifa World Cup, which is programme number six. It is going to be taken out of the department's budget from June 2010. Therefore, the budget for the Department of Sport and Recreation is going to go down tremendously after the World Cup. Although we are boasting about the budget, it was increased merely because of the work for the 2010 Soccer World Cup.
It is fitting and appropriate that the department's strategy of participation in sport and recreation aims to improve social cohesion, nation building and the quality of life of all, while sports transformation should be interpreted to denote a rapid and fundamental change in the relation systems and partners in the ownership and control of and participation in sport.
So, the objective of the strategy is social cohesion, national building and development. Taking our national background into account, it will not be correct for us to say where we come from and not engage in talk about that past. No matter how painful it is, we must talk about that past because we are a country and a people who are destined not to make that mistake again.
All anticolonial struggles are about two things: the repossession of the land and the restoration of the centrality of indigenous culture and social cohesion. To deepen one's appreciation of this statement, one has to look into the depth of the colonialist's use of sport to subdue and conquer populations. They used tribal, ethnic and colour subcultures to submerge that which cut across cultures and characterised all tribal or ethnic groups' ubuntu, or human solidarity, in the case of Africans.
The superprofiling of ethnic or tribal subcultures by colonialists was deliberately meant to create competition and conflict among them. Divide-and-rule tactics generally deepened the subjugation of ubuntu, the overarching way of life of our African people, which is integrally linked to social cohesion and nation building.
Any attempt to restore ubuntu without a concomitant restoration of land and social cohesion is doomed to fail, because social cohesion is important for us to build a country and become one people. Social cohesion is a direct function of the restoration of land and indigenous culture. It is not just about allegiance to the national symbol, national anthem and the flag - although they are very important.
Social cohesion is built around a people's culture. In this country, as a multicultural society, social cohesion means we stay and play side by side as a people. Despite cultural apartheid strategies and differences, members of a community share the same values and same taboos. They tend to use those values and taboos to develop the hybrid or subculture which combines them. Such people stay together.
Colonialism and apartheid brutalised black people, turning them into hostages to perennial hunger, related diseases and social strife. Sport transformation, rural development and land reform must be catalysts of the ANC government in its mission to reverse that situation. Colonialism was being inflicted on black people for centuries, and it is going to take quite a while to address, but it will be done.
Hon Minister, regarding the wrong spatial planning, I heard you talking about schools today. However, as members of the portfolio committee we are saying that we have looked around. Ninety per cent of black schools do not even have a yard for those children to be able to play, whereas 90% of white schools have a yard and everything for children to play.
How do you hope to build social cohesion with, on the one hand, a community that has nothing and another that has abundance? We are saying to that community, because you have abundance, stretch out your hand so that we can build this country together and transform it. [Applause.]
A hundred years ago, on 31 May 1910, after the bloody South African War, the Union of South Africa was formed as a white man's country, where the black majority was deliberately excluded, denied universal franchise and denied being able to play side by side with their counterparts in a simple thing called a game.
The Union finally formalised political unity between the British and the Boers, and that constituted a white political establishment. For more than a century, South Africa was to remain a white man's country, where race was to play a decisive role and where the diversity of South Africans became a source of pain. Their division was caused by colonialism and the Union of 1910.
Our country has travelled a long journey to where we are today. We still carry with us the painful imprints of our past. Today, we are a nation and a people steadily committed to RDP - a new future based on unity, equality and respect for each other's rights.
Truly, a democratic Republic of South Africa was born 16 years ago. Colonialism was entrenched in apartheid 101 years ago. What was done more than 101 years ago cannot be eradicated overnight - or 16 years of this government being in power. It is utterly impossible. It's not going to happen. It is a tall order, but the people of this country are united in saying that all of us, together, will be the South Africa that we can all be proud of.
The Department of Sport and Recreation, which has the honour of tabling its Budget Vote today, is part of that vision. We are determined that we will do all we can to affirm all our people's yearning to belong to a common nation, share a common identity and toil towards a common future.
We in the ANC remain resolute in our commitment never to allow sport to be used in a scheme to divide South Africans, even Stellenbosch will not succeed. We are part of that broad movement to affirm a common identity and citizenship of our people. The pace of transformation is very slow and our people are radically impatient out there. They are saying they don't see movement.
I want to say it is time for us...
IsiXhosa:
...lokuba sigalele amafutha, ngoba umonde wabantu uphelile.
English:
It has been a long time. Regarding the 2010 project that the hon Minister has just spoken about, I want to be honest to this House today that this project is one of the projects that has kept the sport and recreation committee together. I mean all parties.
Lying cold in bed in Port Elizabeth, on the verge of death, Donald Lee asked: "Hon Minister, is everything around the 2010 Soccer World Cup going well?" He knew that the project the country had invested in was extraordinary, one that cut across colour lines; one that unites our people. Donald, you are here today. We are doing this budget with you. [Applause.]
This project also involves the ID, the FF Plus, the DA and Cope. This time last year, Cope did not know what to say because they were fresh and didn't even understand what was going on with the budget. But today, they know what is going on and they have been through the process.
The ANC has embraced Cope, and the only battle we have in that committee is the battle of ideas. There is no vote there. If you can't win it with your brains, you are going to lose it. You can't get it.
Sesotho:
Modula setulo, ke batla hore ke bontshe hore le IFP modulasetulo...
IsiXhosa:
...i-IFP ayizange yayithetha into engekho mthethweni, kodwa aba ndibachazayo ngaba bebeqhankqalaza bengayifuni lento. Yiyo loo nto ndithetha ngabo.
Sesotho:
Ha mabala ana a bolo a ne a qala ho ahwa, ke nahana hore Portfolio Committee e ile ya fihla moo. E ne e le lepatlelo, ho sena motheo was lebala la bolo, ho se na letho. Empa kajeko tjena ha o fihla mono, re bua ka dibaka tse bitswang 'world class stadiums', mabala a hlwahlwa a bolo ya maoto.
Ke a hopola re ne re ile Durban, Port Elizabeth le Mbombela, re amohelwa ke hlathe e kana, e kgolo; ho se na tsela; ho sena motlakase; ho sena metsi. Ra ba ra re ho tla ba le lebala jwang moo mo ho se nang dintho tseno teng mono. Empa ke re kajeko tjena a ke o jakele Mbombela, o tle o bone hore o tla bonang! A ke o ye Port Elizabeth, mothating wa Nelson Mandela. O tsamaye o ye Thekong, o fihle o shebe hore na o tla bona eng. O tla bona 'world class facilities from nowhere', meaho ya mameomo a hodimo ho feta afe kapa afe lefatsheng ka bophara.
Monghadi, nke ke ka etsa hore ke se ke ka bua ka taba ena. Ha naha ene e keteka matsatsi a lekgolo ho ya mohopeng ona wa papadi ya bolo ya lefatshe, re ile ra tsamaya le boraditaba ba ka bang lekgolo le mashome a mararo, 130. Danny Jordan o ne a ke teng le yena moo, ke tsamaya ha mmoho le mongodi-kakaretso wa FIFA Monghadi Falcke.
Ho na le koranta ena eo o buang ka yona ya 'tabloid', ya mmomori, ya BBC, British Broadcasting Corporation. Baqolotsi ba yona ba ile mane Royal Bafokeng, hlatheng moo ho se nang letho, banka dinepe yaba ba di romela kwana ha bo bona mose. Ba di romella manyesemane, sehlopheng sena se tlang ho nka karolo mohopeng, se tlang ho fihlela sebakeng sena sa Royal Bafokeng. Ba re "bonang he, lehwatata la Afrika moo le tlileng ho dula teng!"
Ke batla ho o bolella hore ke ile ka bontshwa mongadi eno wa moqolotsi, hathwe mongahadi enwa wa BBC, ya romelang dinepe tse fosahetseng mose, ke yena enwa. Mme ra be re re ho yena a ke a etele mane 'Sports Palace', paleising ya dipapadi, a ilo lekola hore na ho etsahala eng Rustenburg.
Maobane ho ne ho na le mokete kwana Kimberley, o ketekang matsatsi a mashome-hlano pele ho mohope. Ha re fihla teng, e ne e ka re mohope wa lefatshe o bapallwa hona teng. E seng le maobane feela, empa le beke pele re fihla moo ho ne ho le jwalo!
ANC e tshehetsa 'budget' ena, leano lena la tshebediso ya ditjhelete. Ke a leboha. [Applause.]
Mr B M KHOMPELA
Mnr T D LEE: Mnr die Voorsitter, agb Minister en agb lede, in die jaar dat Suid-Afrika die grootste sportskouspel ter wêreld, die Sokkerwêreldbeker, aanbied, is dit baie teleurstellend dat die departement wat ten nouste hierby betrokke is 'n gekwalifiseerde verslag van die Ouditeur-generaal gekry het. Maar ons pluk nou die wrange vrugte van die aanstel van persone wat nie fit for purpose [doeltreffend] is nie. Ek wil onmiddellik by sê dat dit nie 'n vingerwysing na die huidige Direkteur-generaal, Mnr Petersen, is nie, maar eerder na sy voorganger, wat glad nie die mas opgekom het nie. Ek hoop dat met die huidige Direkteur-generaal, Mnr Petersen, in die saal en die nuwe aanstellings wat deur hom gemaak word 'n herhaling van die gekwalifiseerde verslag van die Ouditeur-generaal iets van die verlede sal wees. Ek hoop regtig so.
Die DA verklaar homself bereid om te help om 'n soortgelyke verslag van die Ouditeur-generaal in die toekoms te voorkom. Toe die departement voor die Staande Komitee oor Openbare Rekeninge, SKOOR, verskyn het, wat eintlik 'n pynlike proses was, was dit duidelik dat die aanstel van amptenare in die provinsies wat nie hul sout werd is nie, een van die grootste struikelblokke is. Om voorgenoemde rede word baie projekte nie betyds in werking gestel of effektief gemoniteer nie en word daar nie betyds aan die D-G verslag gedoen nie. Van die DA se kant sal ons probeer, en sal ek persoonlik probeer, om toe te sien dat soortgelyke goed nie in die Wes-Kaap, hier waar ons regeer, gebeur nie. Dit is 'n ander vlak van regering, maar van my kant af sal ek gesels sodat ons nie daartoe bydra nie.
English:
Boxing SA continues to be an albatross around the neck of the department. It is the only sports federation to be constituted by an Act of Parliament. It has been plagued by scandals relating either to mismanagement of funds or internal infighting, all of which has hindered organisational stability since its formation. In 2007 the Minister for Sport and Recreation, this Minister, called the organisation "a nuisance". Last year the current Minister, and it's the same Minister, said, "It continues to be the Achilles heel of our work."
The DA would like to contribute to finding a solution to the deadlock over Boxing SA by introducing a private member's Bill that will have the organisation disestablished and allow it to be recreated under its own management, as is the case with all other sporting codes. What is so special about boxing? Why is it treated differently?
There are very good reasons for disbanding this sporting body. Firstly, Boxing SA's administrative capacity is in shambles. It is still failing to get basic administrative functions right, such as ensuring that purse moneys to boxers are paid on time. Secondly, the body has been hit by internal fighting that seriously compromises its effectiveness. In December 2008 three board members, namely Messrs Sodo, Tsika and Baloyi, resigned from the board barely a year after being appointed, all citing the chairperson of Boxing SA, Dr Peter Ngatane's autocratic management style as the reason for their departure. Thirdly, it is a constant drain on public resources, having lost all its major sponsors since 2006. Boxing SA is now almost entirely dependent on state allocations from the Department of Sport and Recreation. This is an unacceptable state of affairs and cannot be allowed to continue.
The private member's Bill, and here is a copy of it, will relieve the department of this troublesome and ineffective organisation and should be fully embraced and supported by this House. I hope, Mr Komphela, that you will support this. The Minister, the director, the portfolio committee and SCOPA - everybody, including the boxers, will breathe a sigh of relief if this Bill becomes law.
Afrikaans:
Voorsitter, een van die grootste tragedies wat hom in die afgelope jaar in sport afgespeel het, is die Caster Semenya fiasko. Op 'n hartelose en onverantwoordelike wyse is een van ons mees belowende atlete se lewe sowel as haar sportloopbaan verwoes. Die optrede van mnr Chuene, die oud-president van ASA, vind ek verwerplik, om die minste te sê. Die feit dat hy deur sommige van sy mederaadslede gesteun en beskerm is, gaan die verstand te bowe. Ek kan ook nie verstaan dat hy deur mense wat in dié Raad sit, beskerm word nie. Ek het 'n sug van verligting geslaak toe mnr Chuene en sy handlangers in die pad gesteek is.
Laat ek myself hier onderbreek. Ek wil vandag aan twee mense, naamlik Wilfred Daniels en Harold Adams, hulde bring. Dié twee mense was bereid om hulself in die openbaar van dié fiasco te distansieer. Hulle het hul eie posisies op die spel geplaas. Hulle het bedank. In hulle sien ek mense wat die sport, en veral atletiek, in dié land kan lei. Dís eerbare mense.
In 2001 het ek 'n dossier aan die destydse Minster van Sport, mnr Balfour, oorhandig waarin die wanpraktyke in ASA met die nodige stawende dokumente aan hom uitgewys is. Vir my moeite het hy my 'n coconut genoem, en u sal dit seker onthou. Ek is verheug dat SASKOK nou besluit het om die bedrywighede van ASA te ondersoek. Ek vra dit al vir die afgelope 10 jaar, want ons moet die atlete sowel as die borge gemoedsrus gee dat die administrasie van atletiek in die hande van eerbare mense is. Ek wil graag 'n versoek aan die Minister rig en vra of hy nie die dossier wat ek aan sy voorganger gegee het ook aan die ondersoekspan van SASKOK sal gee nie, sodat die inligting daarin vervat ook verder ondersoek kan word. Verder het ek ook 'n brief aan die Spesiale Ondersoek-eenheid onder leiding van Adv Willie Hofmeyr gestuur om hom ook te vra om ASA te ondersoek.
English:
I would like to draw attention to the National Lottery, which every year sends back billions of rand. I think they have R6 billion in unspent money. It is unacceptable and it is a sin. In fact, you have referred to it, Minister... [Interjections.]
Is it eight? It is growing by the day, it seems. It is R8 billion. [Interjections.]
... that sports projects around the country suffer from a lack of funds when such large sums of money go unallocated. The DA would like to see a portion of these funds ploughed into creating opportunities for talented sportsmen and women to thrive. Mr Komphela referred to the schools where they have no facilities.
We believe that the best way to do this is through the establishment of a South African sports academy which will, firstly, develop a national programme of action across as many sporting codes as possible; secondly, identify and recruit those with genuine sporting potential; thirdly, pursue a programme of excellence in developing talent and thus assist the next generation of sportsmen and women to compete at the highest level; and finally, to place South Africa on a par with the superpowers of world sport.
I also want to turn to the initiative of LoveLife, where we also spend a lot of money. While the DA fully supports the fight against HIV and Aids on all fronts, including sports, I am concerned about the lack of accountability that plagues LoveLife. They do not come to us, they do not report to us, but still they receive more than all the associations and federations put together. [Time expired.]
Mr G P D MAC KENZIE
Mr T D LEE
Mr G P D MACKENZIE: Hon Chairman, Hon Minister, sport federations and visitors, we at Cope enter this debate with mixed feelings. As an active sports person and administrator, I am frustrated when I consider our steep challenges, on the one hand, and our sense of powerlessness on the other. There are as many people who participate in sports and recreation as there are holding down regular jobs. That is how important sports and recreation is. It is also a national symbol of extreme influence and importance.
Newspapers here and worldwide devote approximately 20% of their space to sports. It is the same with radio and television. In South Africa we are galvanised as much by Nelson Mandela as we are by sports. Similarly, Nelson Mandela and sports have both had and continue to have a powerful impact on nation building and the achievement of social cohesion. Important as a sport is to South Africa, an examination of the budget discloses that it is relegated to the very bottom of the list. With minimal resources we cannot achieve our goals and neither can the department.
The three departmental goals set out in its strategic plan for the period 2010-14, namely mass participation, sports development and high performance, cannot be realised with minimal budget. As a portfolio committee, we see school sports as a major priority in the category of mass participation. In this budget, however, the allocation to schools has been slashed from R35 million in the past financial year to a paltry R22 million this year. Do we really believe that school children around the country are going to engage in any meaningful sports occasion with such limited resources? Clearly, this is impossible.
Under the programme for mass participation, which has the biggest allocation of R467 million, we do not have a clear idea of how this expenditure will impact on actual programmes on the ground. Vigorous oversight needs to occur to ensure that value for money is obtained and that what is undertaken fully complies with the department's goals and objectives.
Hon Minister, provincial and municipal grants, which totalled R400 million, are not being distributed to federations and communities in the province in an equitable manner. KwaZulu-Natal football, for example, received 80% of the allocation while other sport codes got 20%. Sports cannot progress on this basis.
With regard to the sports support services programme, I regret to say that this does not inspire confidence. Hon Minister, in terms of the current budget allocations, there are 71 sports federations in South Africa, 66 of which receive a total of R27,62 million. This begs the question, how will this minuscule amount really help the sports federations? This is untenable.
Hon Minister, the situation gets even worse. LoveLife receives R28,693 million from the department. This is more than all the sports federations get together. This is scandalous. LoveLife ought to be getting its funds from the Department of Health and Social Development. This is a matter that has to be rectified immediately. I am fully aware of the formula regarding funding for loveLife, but I believe it is morally wrong for LoveLife to have a bigger allocation from the sports Ministry than the federations. We, in Cope, strongly believe that the entire amount allocated to LoveLife should be directed to school sports and the South African Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee, Sascoc, which is assisting athletes to prepare for major sporting events.
In the strategic plan we have also been told of agreements for the past three years with the Department of Basic Education to develop sports in our schools. We note that no serious funds were allocated in the budget. Minister, our school children are being shortchanged. When will this issue be resolved? I do understand that there is a meeting in two weeks' time with the portfolio committees involved.
I now come to a most vexing issue. For the past six years or longer, this department had qualified audits year in and year out. Many of the problem areas have gone uncorrected in this time. These include, but are not limited to, underexpenditure; irregular expenditure; unauthorized expenditure; fruitless and wasteful expenditure; noncompliance with applicable legislation; insufficient visits to hubs; and internal control deficiencies. We at Cope are very concerned about this sorry state of affairs. If these problems are left unresolved, they will have serious implications for the department's budget. In turn, that will impact negatively on our sports.
Also on the question of managing money, the department has effected transfers of funds to Sascoc not before an event takes place but afterwards. That impacts seriously on the ability to perform. This is mismanagement for which there should be consequences.
We believe Sascoc is grossly underfunded in preparing our athletes for major sporting events. Director-General Petersen, you have a real challenge on your hands. We wish you luck.
I now come to the question of school sports, rural sports, transformation and social cohesion. Here, as elsewhere in government, the elimination of corruption in sports should be a key area of focus. There has to be transparency, accountability and oversight. The question of school sports has to be addressed in a more meaningful manner. The budget of R22 million for school sports is hopelessly inadequate. If the budget cannot be enlarged, then it is necessary for the government to attempt to redistribute funds in order to implement a proper school and rural sports programme.
Cope calls for strategic infrastructure development in rural areas and the appointment of sports coaches and administration back-up. Rural people are South Africa's forgotten citizens. Who knows how many potential sports stars go undetected in these areas. The question I wish to pose is: what has happened to transformation? Is the government saying to us that it is business as usual? I raise these questions because it is not possible to have transformation in the absence of equitable opportunities and facilities.
In order to achieve transformation we also need a change of heart and soul, and an acceptance of other people's rights and needs. More than that - we need to act on these imperatives so that equity is achieved.
When we talk of transformation, I am reminded of what one young boy, Ross McCreath, achieved in Bathurst in the Eastern Cape. A pupil of St Andrew's College in Grahamstown, he took the initiative in December 2007 to ask his father for some land on the farm to create a cricket pitch. When his father acceded to his request, he developed the ground and then went to the Nolukanya Township outside Bathurst to recruit 15 boys to practice in the farm field. In 2008, he formed a team called the Tigers Titans. [Time expired.] [Applause.]
Mr G P D MACKENZIE
Mr B W DHLAMINI: Chairperson, hon Minister, hon Deputy Minister, hon members and guests, sports and recreation are fundamental for healthy and balanced lifestyles. A nation that can play as hard as it works is a successful and joyful nation. Therefore, the Department must endeavour to maximise access, development and excellence at all levels of sports participation in order to improve social cohesion, nation building and quality of life for all our people.
Children that are raised in a culture of sports participation are children that grow up in a balanced and healthy manner. From an early stage, they learn to appreciate the fact that what you put in is what you get out and later in life this lesson translates into a work ethic, which engenders success, and is a significant factor in nation building and kills laziness and a culture of entitlement.
In 2001-02, Sport and Recreation South Africa received a grant from the National Treasury specifically for the construction and upgrading of sport and recreation facilities through the Building for Sport and Recreation Programme. This programme was aimed not only at creating employment and assisting with poverty relief efforts in rural areas and poor communities but also providing sporting facilities to poor communities.
During the period 2001-04 the Building for Sport and Recreation Programme successfully completed 364 projects in poor areas. In March 2004, the grant was transferred to the municipalities in terms of the Municipal Infrastructure Grant. Municipalities were tasked to continue the work of the Building for Sport and Recreation Programme. This has been a dismal failure. From 2004 to date, the municipalities have completed only 45 projects. This is totally unacceptable and the IFP wishes to see the Municipal Infrastructure Grant taken away from the municipalities and returned to the Department of Sports and Recreation, as recommended by the portfolio committee last year, to ensure that funds allocated are directed to building the necessary sporting facilities and not for other, competing purposes.
With regard to sports development at schools, we are not doing enough, Minister. We must aggressively tackle this area. Every child deserves the pleasure of kicking a ball, swinging a racquet or sprinting a 100m on an athletics field. More must be done to take sports to the children, to our children. They deserve nothing less. In this vein, we urge that the memorandum of understanding between the Departments of Sports and Basic Education be implemented forthwith and made workable.
In conclusion, we are 49 days away from the biggest sporting event ever held in South Africa; actually, on the African Continent. We are ready. And the IFP salutes the Minister and the department, the Local Organising Committee leadership and the host cities for what promises to be one of the most magnificent sporting events of our lifetime.
We are indeed a blessed generation, having borne witness to such historic events as the dismantling of apartheid, the release of our icon, Nelson Mandela, the birth of a free and democratic South Africa and now the hosts of the very first Fifa World Cup on African soil.
Afrikaans:
Dis lekker om Suid-Afrikaans te wees. [Applous.]
English:
As this is my last debate in this august House, I wish to thank my party for the privilege to serve my country on this important national forum. I also wish to thank you, hon members, portfolio committee colleagues, all members of this House, for your support, patriotic friendship and leadership. I've grown and I've learnt. I thank you. The IFP supports this Budget Vote. [Applause.]
The TEMPORARY HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr R MDAKANE): We thank the hon Mr Dhlamini and we are sad that he is leaving us.
Ms T E LISHIVHA
Mr B W DHLAMINI
Ms T E LISHIVHA: Chairperson, Minister, Deputy Minister and hon members...
Tshivenda:
...ndi khou toda u amba nga u dzhenelela gute ha vhathu vhothe, hune ha vha ho tangana na zwa mitambo zwikoloni. Hei tsumbamushumo ndi yone ya vhuvhili nahone khulwane kha Muhasho wa zwa Mitambo. Mushumo wayo ndi u vhona zwauri masheleni a tsela fhasi mavunduni na kha mimasipala. I dovha hafhu ya lavhelesa uri vhadzulapo vha Afurika Tshipembe vha khou dzhenelela naa kha mitambo, nga maanda ro sedzesa vhathu vha mahayani, vhaswa, zwikoloni, vha sa koni u diitela, vhafumakadzi na vhaaluwa.
Hezwi zwothe Muhasho wa zwa Mitambo u zwi ita wo farisana na wa Pfunzo. Ndi ngazwo kha mbekanyamushumo dza zwikolo hu na tshifhinga tsha zwa mitambo tsho vhetshelwaho thungo. Hezwi zwi konadzea fhedzi arali hu na tshumisano vhukati ha muvhuso wa vhukati, mivhuso ya vundu na mimasipala ngauri zwi toda vhathu vho diimiselaho. Rine vhathu vhane vha bva hangei Limpopo ri pfa ri tshi dikukumusa vhukuma ngauri ri na vhaaluwa vhane vha tamba mitambo, sa tsumbo, vhaaluwa vha Tzaneen. Minisita vho no di vhuya vha ya u vha dalela.
Hezwo zwi sumbedza uri hu na zwitukutuku zwine hoyu muhasho wa khou zwi ita, zwine zwa sumbedza uri u a thogomela vhathu. A u fani na vhathu vhane vha sokou amba hu na uri vhone vho vha vha sa divhi zwauri muthu ndi mini. Vha tea u guda zwinwe kha muvhuso une wa khou vhusa. Musi Phuresidennde vha tshi khou amba na lushaka, vho sumbedza zwauri mitambo kha i dzhielwe ntha, nga maanda kha zwikolo zwa nnyi na nnyi na zwa mabulasini. Vho dovha hafhu vha sumbedza zwauri mitambo kha i vusuludzwe zwikoloni nahone i vhe tshipida tsha tsumbamushumo ya zwikolo. Vha tshi ya phanda vha sumbedzisa uri vhatambuli kha vha tikedzwe nga u fhiwa zwishumiswa zwi fanaho na zwiambaro zwa tshikolo, na zwinwe-vho. Vhari kha hu vhe na tshifhinga tshine vhathu vha do pfumbudzwa u itela uri vha vhe vhalanga dzi ofisi, vho malogwane na vhagudisi vha zwa mitambo, u itela uri nyimele ya mitambo i vhe kha vhuimo ha ntha.
Mihasho hei mivhili ine ya vha i tshi khou shumisana, munwe na munwe u vha u na vhudifhinduleli hawo.
English:
The Department of Education is responsible for physical education, extramural activities and interschool leagues up to district level. The Department of Sports and Recreation is responsible for the entry level into sport and recreation; competitive sport in schools from regional to international level; and to mobilise resources, including technical expertise, funds and support personnel.
What is important right now is that a solid start has been made in introducing sport into schools that had no access to it in the past. That support is being given to events in which tomorrow's sports stars are potentially taking part right now. Lack of facilities is a major problem. Talented players have moved to clubs with superior resources instead of being encouraged to remain with clubs that initially invested a great deal of time and effort in developing their talents.
Owing to the loss of talented players, clubs find it difficult to survive. In spite of this, we must engage sponsors more forcefully and remind them of their responsibility to assist in uplifting underdeveloped communities. We all know that without the support of these communities, business cannot survive. Communities, in turn, take special pride in the achievement of young people, especially when they achieve success in the face of hardship and adverse circumstances. We must also understand their footsteps and emulate what they have achieved.
Tshivenda:
Kha ndi sumbedze zwauri Muhasho hoyu wa zwa Mitambo, na wone u na zwe wa zwi ita musi u tshi khou isa tshumelo fhasi vhathuhi ngauri ndi zwo lindelwaho.
English:
The Department of Sports and Recreation established 600 hubs and employed 2 760 activity and hub co-ordinators to assist with the delivery of programmes at local level. The eventual aim is to ensure that no child has to walk five kilometres to access an activity hub. It launched the 2009 Peace Caravan tour of the Great Lakes region in East Africa in March 2009, in conjunction with the Youth Development through Football project, as part of the mobilisation of Africa 2010.
In school sports, 12 South African schools joined the programme for the first time. About 1 200 sports assistants and 400 cluster co- ordinators received training. Almost 158 South African teachers were trained as tutors and 2 000 learners were trained as young leaders.
Tshivenda:
Musi vhathu vhothe vho no pfumbudzwa, masheleni matukutuku ane vha do a wana a do kona u ita uri muthu muthihi a kone u fha vhathu vhane vha swika malo zwiliwa. Zwine zwa sumbedza uri hu khou sikiwa mishumo nahone hu khou lwiwa na vhushai. Ndi khou toda u dovha hafhu nda sumbedzisa zwauri muhasho washu u na mbekanyamushumo dzi fanaho na ya 'siyadlala' ine na yone ya vha na mushumo muhulwane kha vhathu vhashu.
Ri na mitambo yapo ine ya nga sa mifuvha, ndode, diketo, meropa na zwinwe-vho. Ri a zwi divha zwauri vho makhulukuku washu musi vha tshe vhaswa, vho vha vha tshi diphina nga u tamba hei mitambo. Muhasho hoyu wo zwi kona u ita uri mitambo hei i songo sokou fhelela muyani. Wa ita uri vhaswa vhane vha kha di da na vhone vha diphine nga u tamba hei mitambo.
English:
The department, together with the provincial departments responsible for sport and recreation, annually hosts the indigenous game festival in celebration of African cultural diversity in an effort to revive indigenous games. This revival is intended to popularise those cultural activities that are a particular tradition for rural people.
Tshivenda:
Kha ri zwi sumbedze zwauri rine ri tikedza vhatambi vhashu tshifhinga tshothe. Ndi zwa ndeme ngauri na vhone vha a kona u zwi vhona zwauri vhathu vha khou vha tikedza. Kha ri ye navho hothe hune vha ya hone, naho hu tshi tou vha midavhini ya mahayani.
English:
The ANC supports the Bill. [Time Expired.] [Applause.]
Mr J J MC GLUWA
Ms T E LISHIVA
Mr J J MCGLUWA: Chairperson, for two consecutives years this department has received a qualified audit report. The ID is hoping that 2010 will be different. This department should use the opportunity of hosting a world-class sporting event like the Soccer World Cup to become a world-class department.
If we have the ability to host the World Cup, surely we can get an unqualified audit report. During our Budget Vote hearings, we saw school sports competitions being cancelled due to lack of funds. We saw provincial and municipal sport and recreation departments failing to implement national policies. We saw millions of rands in Municipal Infrastructure Grants lying unspent in municipal accounts while our children are playing soccer on rocky fields next to dangerous highways. We witnessed a transformation stagnation that continues to translate into lily-white rugby and cricket teams and all-black soccer teams. We have seen millions of rands being allocated to LoveLife without much evidence to suggest that it is translating into a solid HIV-prevention campaign.
We experienced a National Economic Development and Labour Council, Nedlac, that has not even responded to the ID's letter calling for a mediation process for a strike-free World Cup. Nedlac says it builds bridges that hold the nation together. But we have seen it is incapable of doing the same for the World Cup.
The ID would also like to come out in support of Cosatu's mass action against electricity price increases.
We are mindful that the World Cup has the ability to boost the department's morale, which has suffered over the past few years.
The ID also supports the portfolio committee's decision to summon the department each quarter to report back on the progress in the provinces of the Division of Revenue Act grants.
I am happy to announce today that there is no need for me to say anything negative about our Bafana Bafana boys, who are putting in their best; the coach, whom we have come to accept; the Gautrain, which is basically ready; the vuvuzelas, which we are going to blow; and the beautiful world-class stadiums - proof that we have silenced our critics.
I would like to repeat - and I have said this many times before - that in a nation with the highest inequalities in the world, the real challenge will be to translate the billions we have spent on this World Cup into something tangible and sustainable for our people in the years long after the final whistle has been blown. To Danny Jordaan and his team, we would like to say, we salute you. The ID supports the Budget Vote.
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION
Mr J J MCGLUWA
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: Chairperson, members from the sporting fraternity present, the member from the ID is at liberty to say what he wants to say. However, it is advisable to note that whatever you say is documented in a publication called Hansard. If you go out there and mislead people by spreading election campaign rumours, that is one thing – that's why you are growing and growing as a party. [Laughter.] But when you come here you have got to speak factually and report factually. And I contest today that you did not do that. I invite you for tea and will explain to you what happened regarding the cancellation of the schools tournament.
The World Cup is upon us and we want our people in South Africa to feel it. Our country is abuzz with excitement. Our media have dedicated programmes and space to showcase the build-up to the tournament. The private sector is fully behind all campaigns, such as Football Friday, Fly the Flag and the 2010 Countdown programme. South Africans are united in hosting the best-ever Fifa World Cup come 2010.
I have no doubt that the socioeconomic impact of the Fifa 2010 World Cup will be felt long after the event. During the construction phase of our preparations we were clear that low-income households should benefit from the infrastructure development programme. We now know that more than 100 000 workers were employed, either directly or indirectly, through the 2010 construction programme. We also know that many workers moved from being unskilled to semi-skilled; from being semi-skilled to skilled. We also know that more and more women have entered the construction industry. They have done so in many different capacities - brick layers, plasterers, crane drivers and safety officers, to name but a few. With the games being hosted in 10 venues, we were able to spread the benefit of this investment, reaching far and wide in society.
Yesterday, Grant Thornton released information projecting that about 370 000 visitors will arrive for the World Cup. These new projections also indicate that visitors will stay longer and potentially spend more in our country. Grant Thornton also estimates that the economic impact of the World Cup will be a staggering R93 billion.
We have always known that the impact of mega events on tourism is not only felt during the build-up to the event but long after the event. The Winter Games held in Norway in 1994 resulted in tourism growth by 59% from 1989 to 1994. While 350 000 foreigners visited Paris during the 1988 Fifa World Cup in France, arrivals continued to increase by 13,1% 10 years later. In Sydney, prior to and after the 2000 Olympics, an incremental 1,6 million international visitors visited Australia between 1997 and 2004.
It is to this end that the African "six pack" project requires strong support from all corners of our country and the rest of the African continent. Each of the six African countries participating in the tournament must feel as if each of the stadia is their home ground and treat it as such. As South Africans, we must provide home-crowd support to our brothers and sisters in our quest to restore the dignity of our continent's people.
It is in this context that we have to caution those who are using the World Cup as a bargaining stick for benefits and service delivery. The vision should not be "what is in it for me?" The attitude should rather be, "what is in it for our country and our continent; and what are the long-term prospects and benefits to us as Africans?" Ke nako [The time is now.] is not to introduce challenges; ke nako is to celebrate Africa's humanity; ke nako is to live the spirit of ubuntu for a better and brighter future.
In support of our football association, we embarked on the Peace Caravan road show in five countries of the Great Lakes region. This was to send a message that sport can be used as a tool for peace, especially in a war-torn region like the Great Lakes. Thirty-six young people of ages ranging from 18 to 32 were members of a team that formed part of the Peace Caravan, spreading the message of peace through sport. We continue to pride ourselves in the change we have made in the lives of people through this initiative.
Sport, at the elite as well as at community level, is increasingly being used in a wide variety of ways to promote social inclusion, prevent conflict and enhance peace within and among nations. In this regard the UN General Assembly has adopted a series of resolutions on sport for development and peace. Although sport alone cannot prevent conflict or build peace, it can contribute to broader, more comprehensive efforts in a number of important ways. Sports equipment provides a positive and accessible alternative for the guns of internal conflict. As a strategic initiative our department will carefully look at ways and means to use sport and recreation as a tool in promoting development and peace. I am pleased to report that our department will work very closely with the UN Sport for Development and Peace International Working Group in future to maximise the potential of sport and recreation in peace and development initiatives.
Our work with the United Nations goes beyond sport for peace and development. One other initiative in which we are working with them is One Goal, for co-operation on the establishment for an African fund for education. The United Nations, through its Office for Drugs Control, Unicef, International Organisation for Migration and International Labour Organisation, ILO, have also been working closely with the Office for Sexual Offences under the National Prosecutions Authority on issues of human trafficking. This includes the Red Card campaign, which is aimed at discouraging foreign visitors from getting involved in activities that may get them into trouble when visiting the country.
Our department and KWF, a German development bank, are currently implementing what we are calling the Youth Development against Violence through Sport Programme. The overall objective of this programme is to use sport, specifically football, as a catalyst for transmitting life skills to children and youth in order to reduce violence and social ills. The children get off the streets, learn about rules and fair play, and practice conflict resolution without violence. An accelerated programme would see the construction of 100 kick-abouts - modified smaller-sized pitches that can be used for various codes - or the rehabilitation of existing football pitches in selected areas. Construction of at least seven facilities will be completed by the end of May 2010.
Last year we highlighted the important work that the SA Institute of Drug-free Sport, Saids, was expected to do. We also lamented the inadequate resources with which they were doing such important work. Today we can announce that the budget allocation to Saids increased from R5 million to R10,042 million. This increase was necessitated by the increase in costs as a result of changing from urine testing to blood testing. Saids can now also afford to increase the number of tests and its laboratory will easily maintain its accreditation status - the only accredited laboratory on African soil.
We cannot be complacent when it involves the integrity of the South African sporting system. As a country we must ensure greater reach of anti-doping initiatives. I have been elected to represent Africa on the Unesco committee on the evaluation of the Fund on Anti-doping. The significance of this fund lies in the fact that it provides funding to the least-developed countries to advance their anti-doping activities. In this respect, countries can access funds for education projects focusing on youth and sports organisations, policy advice to state parties and monitoring and capacity-building projects. During my tenure I will ensure that the flow of funds to African countries actually happens.
The hon Lee and other members here spoke about audit qualifications. Let's put on record that the 2008-9 annual report shows a significant decline in the number of audit queries and a reduction from three to one qualification compared to the previous financial year. In our determination to further improve the internal control environment, a risk management policy was approved by the department. A risk committee became operational, introducing a new vibrancy to the department in the identification, assessment and mitigation of identified risks.
All vacancies in the internal audit directorate have been filled. To ensure full coverage of the audit plan we have appointed a co-source service provider.
We are confident that the remaining challenges experienced with regard to royalties will be resolved. We have given instruction that the department must revisit the principle of collecting royalties against the use of the national sporting emblems. This week, following a comprehensive investigation into the royalty system, Deloitte delivered a report. A policy announcement will be made by the Minister of Sport and Recreation as soon as we have discussed the recommendations contained in the report. This, we trust, Mr Lee, will put an end to the one audit qualification reported in the 2008- 9 financial year.
We have come a long way since staff of the department amalgamated with staff of the SA Sports Commission. But it is time that we re-examine how we are organised. We are about to commence with the public participation process to review the White Paper. This must culminate in a national sports plan and all sectors must buy in and commit to the strategic direction that will emerge from this process. To gear the department to respond to these developments we have started a parallel process to develop a functional organisational structure. We must admit that the previous structure did not sufficiently take into account the mandate and specific functions of the national department. We envisage that the process will be followed by job evaluation, competency assessment and, where needed, the retraining of staff. I hasten to say I want to assure staff that we do not anticipate that any staff member will become redundant.
These processes are necessary to ensure better results and outcomes for the sport and recreation sector. As we consolidate the work of the department we must reassert the importance of our partnership with the SA Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee, Sascoc. Sascoc is the key co-coordinating structure that must deliver on improving our international performance. The energy displayed by Sascoc, we trust, will translate into better results. But we cannot pursue international competitiveness at the cost of development, transformation and good governance. The constituent parts of Sascoc, the national federations, are fundamental in securing delivery on these outputs. We must sharpen our instruments and enhance accountability in this regard. In short, we must enhance our development and transformation and governance programmes. We are putting greater emphasis on participation. Collectively, therefore, we must commit to the development of Olympic and non-Olympic sport and recreation. So, we expect that in the revised White Paper greater emphasis will be placed on recreation. To this end we will form strategic partnerships with other departments.
In our quest to develop sport on all levels we need to address current inefficiencies. Why is it that smaller federations continue to be bedevilled by poor governance and perennial administrative challenges? Why have we not been able to embrace the best practices that flow from shared services models in sport? It is now time for us, jointly with Sascoc, to implement such co-operation strategies.
Last year we informed this House that we will do our best to correct the health of boxing in our country. To this effect, tomorrow and the day after tomorrow we will be hosting a national convention on boxing. The hon Lee tried to pre-empt, to a degree, that this convention is taking place tomorrow, as he is well aware. I want to emphasise here that the convention is not about Boxing SA or the disbandment of its board. It is simply about giving the boxing fraternity an opportunity to discuss challenges facing the sport of boxing and chart the way to a better future for the sport.
We will discuss the Mateza-Zifo Report on the Examination of Boxing, with the intention of charting a knockout future for the sport. Other matters that will be discussed at the convention include medical and doping in boxing; sponsorship and marketing; regulatory frameworks; legislation and policies; the relationship between SA National Amateur Boxing Organisation, Sanabo, and Boxing SA; as well as corporate governance.
Since the report was issued to us, there have been questions about when the recommendations will be implemented. Our approach is that although the report contains useful information, it is not the bible of boxing. The contents of the report still need to be interrogated by the boxing fraternity so that, at the end, they can take ownership of whatever is extracted from the report to inform the future of the sport. We have also assisted Boxing SA to draw up a strategic plan that can better inform the way they conduct their business. We recently appointed auditors to assist with the compilation of financial statements of Boxing SA.
In conclusion, I wish to place on record the ground-breaking work done by Minister Stofile on the board of the World Anti-Doping Agency, Wada. After five long years, South Africa will be succeeded by Tunisia. We are proud of the contributions and the role played by you at this level. We also know that you will use the extra time to take up the responsibilities in SADC and the African Union. These are leadership roles we have to play to the benefit of our region and continent.
I wish to thank the following entities for their support and co-operation: the portfolio committee, the select committee, MECs, leaders in the sports movement, NGOs, as well as the media. A big thank you also goes to our managers, staff and administrators - the foot soldiers and the implementers. Working together, we do more! Ke nako - let us celebrate Africa's humanity. I thank you. [Applause.]
Mr B H HOLOMISA
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION
Mr B H HOLOMISA: Chairperson, hon Minister, Deputy Minister as well as hon members, the UDM supports Budget Vote No 19. My address today is dedicated to our football. We should be proud of South Africans from all corners who played a part in convincing the world that we as a developing country have the ability to host a successful Fifa World Cup tournament.
However, we must concede that the road to this point has not been an easy one. It must be remembered that we had a severe lack of facilities and infrastructure for football as a result of the policies of separate development. Even today, we are still facing infrastructure backlogs in previously neglected areas.
Nevertheless, we must extend our gratitude to previous administrators. The likes of George Thabe, Bra Sticks Morewa, Abdul Bhamjee, Cyril Kobus, Mr Taunyane, Danny Jordaan of the Federation's league, Kaizer Motaung, Molefi Oliphant and Irvin Khoza, to mention but a few, played a role in keeping football alive in this country despite the restrictions of apartheid.
The highlight of my encounters with some of them, in particular with Sticks Morewa, was when he tasked me to request former President Mbeki and his colleagues, in 1990, to attend a match at the FNB Stadium. The intention was to brief them about the state of football in South Africa. Indeed, President Mbeki attended and was accompanied by Aziz Pahad, among others, and the rest is history, as we all know.
Part of this history is that the South African football fraternity, under Bra Sticks Morewa's leadership, met with the top Fifa leadership and Mr Havelange, the then Fifa President, in the early 1990s on their visit to South Africa. Those efforts by Mr Morewa ultimately led to us winning the right to host the 2010 Soccer World Cup.
We would be making a big mistake if we didn't thank the sponsors, who, under difficult conditions, managed to nurture and assist football prior to the advent of democracy. It is because of people who resisted apartheid, such as former First National Bank CEO, Chris Ball, and Mr Fletcher, who pumped lots of funds into the Smirnoff League, that football was developed and great players were given the opportunity to play.
Finally, the initiative and vision of Abdul Bhamjee, Cyril Kobus and Mr Motaung to build the FNB Stadium has culminated in the world-class venue that we see today. This campaign, of course, would not have succeeded without the support of the democratic government, especially the hands-on role played by successive presidents of the Republic. Thank you. [Applause.]
Mr B H HOLOMISA
Setswana:
Rre S G MMUSI: Ke a go leboga Motlotlegi Modulasetilo, Maloko a Palamente, Tonakgolo le Motlatsa Tona wa Motshameko le Boitapoloso.
English:
Chairperson, let me indicate that this is my maiden speech. [Applause.] I was told that if I indicated and disclosed that, I'd be secure. [Laughter.] Also let me acknowledge that the committee is appearing here today in yellow. As I look at the House I see the beauty of the sports committee. I think it would have been even more beautiful if this was a Friday, when everybody had their jerseys on but, nevertheless, we support Bafana Bafana. We are sending the message to the world that the Parliament of South Africa supports the national team of South Africa. Viva Bafana Bafana!
I want to begin my speech by borrowing these words from the Freedom Charter: "The doors of learning, sport, arts and culture shall be open to all." But that was not the case prior to 1994. Sport in South Africa was polarised along racial lines. There was sport regarded as sport for civilised people, and there was sport regarded as sport for noncivilised people. I say thanks to the ANC, because it brought transition from apartheid to democracy and, with it, great progress to many of its people and numerous untold advances in bridging past divisions.
However, many tensions and inequalities are still present that contribute to the high-level of conflict over a variety of issues ranging from challenges in transforming historically white-dominated sport as well as equitable access to recreational resources and facilities.
We all know that sport plays a vital role in modern contemporary society. Its prominence in the media, which devotes considerably more coverage to sport than to politics or economics, demonstrates its expansion during the last century. This phenomenon has had different impacts on the development of nations, cultures and communities. For the majority of our people sport forms an integral part of life, whether as active participants or passive spectators.
The time has come for all of us to scrutinise the impact of sport development, not only from a school sports and professional league perspective, and its link to the broader principles and agenda of transformation. This should occur by assessing programmes such as sport support services, which embodies subprogrammes such as club development.
In this context, if the department is reporting to have supported 136 out of 450 new clubs and also claims to have supported 221 out of 300 clubs, the logical question should not only be to enquire about the average variance to such support, but the link of these interventions to school sport, high performance, professional league and further transformation of sport in this country.
The question should be one of impact. For example, the department should in the foreseeable future explain how club development is linked to school sport. How is it connected to professional league? How is the whole thing linked to broader transformation and the principle of national democratic revolution? Why do we struggle to replace players such as Brian Habana, Makhaya Ntini and Benni McCarthy in our national teams while we have programmes like sport support services? What is this connection with LoveLife producing?
Minister, we are at a crossroads. As members of the portfolio committee we are caught between a rock and a hard place. I'm saying this because in the North West, for example, there are lots of clubs of different codes, ranging from athletics to netball, at community level. Some of these codes have never received assistance from these programmes. There are many such complaints, even in the Eastern Cape - in fact, across the country - as our people continue to ask us questions in our constituencies. We have witnessed this during our public hearings and oversight visits.
The annual report, on the other hand, is glossy, but it remains qualified for the past years in terms of substance and governance. Why do other departments get a clean audit report? We need to ask ourselves this question, Minister.
Setswana:
Re direng Tona?
IsiZulu:
Senze njani?
English:
Addressing this question would be to look at what gives birth to these problems. Firstly, the sport support services programme is meant to provide support to public entities, to sports and recreation bodies, including the monitoring of performance through targeting sport bodies and federations, developing community clubs and providing education and training facilities.
These things should be the baseline for any community development effort, we all agree, but do we really monitor the performance of these entities, such as LoveLife? Do we really monitor the performance of sport and recreation bodies and extensively investigate issues of noncompliance? Why do we continue to get qualified audit reports? Are we enjoying this status quo? That is the question, Minister. In terms of transformation progress, how do we gauge ourselves?
An ideal situation for community development would be to consider the following: multicultural sport teams, beginning at the community level, led by coaches and trainers who are able to navigate team-building to be a process that includes all parties and create mutual respect between cultures and races; integration programmes between schools, public support, political acceptability and viability, co-operation between organisations and multicultural exchanges, support for physical education in all primary and high schools.
Setswana:
A o a nkutlwa Tona fa ke buela mo tsebeng ya gago? Re ikaegile ka wena.
English:
We are from rural areas and it is not by choice that we come from rural areas. If I had a choice I'd be living in Summerstrand in Port Elizabeth, Voorburg or Midrand. I did not choose to stay in a rural area.
Setswana:
Re lelela mo go wena.
English:
Go and develop sport in rural areas.
Setswana:
Re lelela mo go wena.
English:
You know that we did not have a choice. We were forced to go and live there.
Setswana:
Kwa bokhutlong, ke tsholetsa monwana wa me o mogolo wa kgononopo le supasupa baloi ka re ANC e tshegetsa tekanyetsokabo e. Ke a leboga. [Nako e fedile.][Legofi.]
Adv A D ALBERTS
Mr S G MMUSI
Adv A D ALBERTS: Mnr die Voorsitter, Minister, die departement het 'n groot jaar vanjaar. Daar is baie hoë verwagtinge by Suid-Afrikaners en die wêreld oor die Fifa-sokkerwêreldbekertoernooi. Dit is van kardinale belang vir Suid-Afrika se toekoms, veral ten aansien van ekonomiese ontwikkeling en die skep van volhoubare werksgeleenthede, dat hierdie toernooi moet slaag. Dis nie dat die toernooi op sigself direk soveel bydra tot hierdie doelwitte nie, maar die suksesvolle uitvoering van die toernooi sal daartoe kan lei dat Suid-Afrika deur die wêreld met ander oë bejeen word, wat kan lei tot buitelandse investering.
The TEMPORARY CHAIRPERSON (Mr M MDAKANE): Hon member, there is a little problem with translation and I...
Adv A D ALBERTS: I'll get to English soon.
The TEMPORARY CHAIRPERSON (Mr MDAKANE): Hon members, I was not sure that the translation was working. Hon member, maybe we should take a different microphone. Okay, hon member.
Adv A D ALBERTS: Thank you, Mr Chairman.
Afrikaans:
Die wêreld sal ons met ander oë bejeen as ons suksesvol is. Hierdie is 'n "verkieslike toekoms" scenario; 'n pad na oorwinning. Daar is egter ook 'n pad wat lei tot nederlaag en daarvan het die departement alreeds 'n voorsmakie gekry met die Atletiek Suid-Afrika en Caster Semenya sage. Die VF Plus moet die Minister en sy departement egter gelukwens met die uiteindelike ferm optrede teen die ASA. Dit het ons weer teruggebring op die pad na oorwinning.
English:
Unfortunately, despite your hard work so far, one can also see the signs that the road to defeatism is looming ahead and one must take cognisance of this. The FF Plus, which also wishes to see South Africa celebrate a successful Soccer World Cup and concomitant economic development, needs to warn the Minister of the following:
Firstly, the department and the Minister do not labour in isolation to other large issues. The Minister will have to impress on his colleagues in the peace and security cluster the utmost importance of creating a safer South Africa. The last month has seen a spike in extremely violent crimes, many which take on the nature of political acts of violence, bringing our country to the brink of devastating conflict, whether via hate speech or physically, via the machete. One should not underestimate the extremely negative view the world currently has of South Africa purely because we currently have very little peace and security in comparison with other countries.
Secondly, when it comes to sports development, the Minister must have regard for the goodwill shown by young Afrikaner graduates in sports sciences who are more than willing to work within the informal settlements for sports development, but is denied this right because of affirmative action. This is not ubuntu and does nothing for social cohesion. However, I do have a database of such graduates if the Minister would be willing to make appointments from those groups.
South Africa is not doing well in terms of its international legal obligation with regard to minority rights in general. Transformation has gone too far and has become a weapon of retribution that is indeed threatening social cohesion. Therefore, the Minister can consider applying quotas to the Bafana Bafana team to accommodate minorities. That might just be the secret weapon we need to win the World Cup. I am sure Mr Komphela will agree with me on that one.
Lastly, I am worried about the way the host cities spend their fund allocations. Despite having been given appropriate funding, the City of Johannesburg, for instance, has taken budget spend away from social housing to pay for Fifa developments. This is a disgrace and we are going to ask Mr Blatter whether this is what he intended. We would also like to have the view of the Minister on this.
Minister, if we can attend to these problems I am sure we can take the road to victory as a country as a whole. Thank you very much.
Ms C DUDLEY
Adv A D ALBERTS
Ms C DUDLEY: Chair and hon Ministers, as far back as 2008 the National Sports Indaba in KwaZulu-Natal highlighted the urgency of access to resources and a new funding mechanism, including the role of the National Lottery. It has been pointed out that the Lotto bottleneck has been allowed to continue and at present the Board is reported to be sitting on about R100 million. These funds are proving to be near impossible to get out of them and when funds are released they arrive long after the event for which they were intended. Hon Minister, we wanted to ask you what has been done about the new funding mechanism, specially concerning the role of the National Lottery, and we thank you for some of your comments in this regard.
The ACDP is disturbed to learn that national sports team members are required to personally fund large sums of money in order to represent South Africa.
The TEMPORARY CHAIRPERSON (Mr MDAKANE): Hon member, it seems you are not audible enough. Try to locate yourself a microphone...
Ms C DUDLEY: Thank you, if you can take care of my time for me. You want to reset this clock here.
The ACDP is disturbed to learn that members of national sports teams are required to personally fund large sums of money in order to represent South Africa. The expression seems to be, "You pay, you play. You don't, you stay." This means the nation's best are often not participating at international sports events. Many talented players come from very poor backgrounds and even those who are not so poor find the sums too high. Right now the national women's softball team is having to find R25 000 per player to take part in the World Series in June. Last year the national hockey team went to Argentina to play some of the top teams in the world – and players who went had to find R10 000 each. This is a national disgrace.
Emphasis has been placed on the 2010 Fifa World Cup by the President in his state of the Nation Address and due to the amount of planning and preparations involved, the Department of Sport and Recreation disbursed over R461 billion in 2009 for the purpose of stadia construction and upgrading. The cities and municipalities spent over R542 billion and the total expenditure of the National Grant funds to date is nearly R13 000 billion. Now there is much excitement and anticipation but while these thousands of billion of rands change hands and accomplish their objectives in South Africa, we are still grappling with basics like disparities in access to sport.
Much still needs to be done to meet the sporting and training needs of our nation, including access for marginalised communities; equitable participation, especially for women, youth and persons with disabilities; development of school sports; and sporting facilities, equipment and sports kit in poor (especially rural) communities.
South Africa needs effective and innovative interventions by this Department and all stakeholders to actively promote community development and safer communities, and helping to prevent the negative impact of poverty, violence and crime.
Progress regarding mass participation will require the department to strengthen its relationship with the Department of Basic Education in the delivery of school sports programmes. What are the issues here, non Minister? Why does progress seem continuously limited? The mass participation programme consumes a huge portion of the budget and there appears to be no meaningful value for this money; no clear impact on the ground.
The ACDP joins others in calling for the exorbitant funding allocated to LoveLife to be redirected appropriately.
The ACDP also calls on the Department to closely monitor the procurement of gymnasium equipment. The ACDP will support this Budget Vote. I thank you.
Ms G K Tseke
Ms C DUDLEY
Setswana:
Mme G K TSEKE: Modulasetilo, Maloko a Palamente, Tona ya Metshameko le Boitapoloso, Lefapha la Metshameko le Boitapoloso, barulaganyi ba Sejana sa Lefatshe sa 2010, baeng le ditsala, mo puong ya pulo ya Palamente, Poresidente ya naga, Rre JG Zuma, o goeleditse le go fatlhosa maAforika Borwa go reka dithekete ka nako.
English:
Last Friday the ticketing office centres were opened to sell tickets over the counter. People who had already applied for tickets on time went along, just to be part of the vibe. There are some other challenges, but we are sure that Mr Danny Jordaan and his team will be able to address them.
Setswana:
Aforika, "Ke Nako!"
English:
Africa's time has come and, yes, our country is ready. Wit 49 days to go, we are currently in the middle of much excitement over the Fifa World Cup Tournament. South Africa, with its history and multitude of cultures, is a land of possibility and opportunity. Its biggest asset is undoubtedly its diverse mix of people, proud of their heritage and the country's remarkable transition to a thriving democracy. We are no longer talking about a dream that is part of the more-than-a-100-years of Fifa's existence, but reality. It is the very same Fifa that stood fast unwaveringly and believed in South Africa, giving us the honour to host the 2010 Fifa World Cup.
South Africans who poured into the streets on 15 May 2004, waving flags, dancing and waving the horns that have become the musical instrument of local football fans, the vuvuzela, will now enjoy what was due to them, already in 2006. That was when the controversial New Zealander Charles Dempsey unexpectedly abstained himself from voting for our country to host the 2006 World Cup, even though his confederation mandated him to cast his ballot paper for South Africa, rendering our beloved country one vote short.
From an industry and economics perspective, perhaps the incident was a blessing to us because, if the country had hosted the event four years ago, instead of Germany, the present global economic recession would have found South Africa in the same state as most countries around the globe. So, under the circumstances we should say a big thank you to Mr Dempsey. Our country was able to be concerned only about maintaining momentum in infrastructure delivery following the government's further commitment to services and infrastructure delivery when the ANC again took office in 2009.
Let me once more remind comrades what Mr Nelson Mandela said when addressing his executive:
It is 28 years since Fifa took its stand against racially divided football and helped to inspire the final story against apartheid. While we were on Robben Island, the only access to the Fifa World Cup was on the radio. Football was the only joy to prisoners.
After South Africa's victory was announced, Mr Nelson Mandela hoisted the World Cup trophy and said: "I feel like a young man of 15." By that time he was only 85. Today he is 91 years old, patiently waiting for the gigantic event to kick off. Mr Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela, we are left with only 49 days for the whistle to blow, when Bafana Bafana will be playing Mexico at one of the best stadia, Soccer City in the City of Gold, Gauteng.
In his state of the nation address, President JG Zuma said:
President Mandela was central in assisting the country to win the rights to host this great event. We therefore have to make the World Cup a huge success in his honour.
Indeed, this will be a great success and a fitting tribute to Nelson Mandela. [Applause.]
Setswana:
Bagaetsho, Poresidente ya naga o goeleditse e bile o buile gore ngwaga o, ke ngwaga wa ditiragalo.
English:
This year, 2010 is the year of action.
Setswana:
Se, se bonala gape le mo ditirong tsa sekolo tsa Masekaseka Combined School, e e kwa Marapyane, Mpumalanga, se se fitlheletseng makgaolakgang mo porojekeng ya collect a can.
Ka Labobedi, 13 April 2010, setlamo sa Coca-Cola e e leng nngwe ya baetleletsi ba Sejana sa Lefatshe sa Kgwele ya Dinao, se ketikile sekgele se sa madi a a kana ka R40 000 le dithekete di le lekgolo tsa baithuti ba ba neng ba tsenetse lenaneo le go ya go bogela kgwele ya dinao e e tla simololang ka 11 Seetebosigo 2010. Lenaneo le, ke lengwe la maneneo le maungo a Sejana se sa Lefatshe, e e bidiwang 2010 Fifa World Cup Ticket Fund.
Sekolo se, se fitlheletse le madi go tswa kwa lothong a go aga mapatlelo a metshameko. Se e tla nna sekai go dikolo tse dingwe kwa Moretele, kwa Mpumalanga le naga ka bophara gore go dira ka natla go a duela.
Ke rata go akgola baithuti le barutabana ba Masekaseka gore ba tswelelepele ka tiro e e manontlhotlho e ba e dirang, e bile tiro ntle le motshameko e tlhokisa ngwana mafolofolo. Ngwaga wa 2010 e tla nna o o itshupileng mo bathong gore, ke nnete, ke ngwaga wa ditiragalo.
Go na le maneneo gape a a tla rotloetsang MaAforika Borwa go tsaya karolo mo metshamekong, e bile a tla tlogelela setšhaba se se ntshonyana boswa mo metseng ya bona. Maneneo a tshwana le letlotlo la mafaratlhatlha le le re tlogelelang maemalafofo a a tlhabolotsweng, ditsela tse di katolositsweng, mapatlelo a mašwa a a agilweng, diphatlhatiro le bokgoni, dipetlele tse di tlhabolotsweng le tse dingwe.
English:
My 2010 school adventure campaign...
Setswana:
... e e akareditseng baithuti ba le dimilone di le 12, naga ka bophara le porojeke ya Green Gold Programme e toropo ya Cape Town e setseng e e simolotse ya go tlhokomela tikwatikwe ya rona.
English:
Fifa is also committing itself to building Football for Hope centres that will address local social challenges in disadvantaged areas and this programme will improve education and health services for young people. This programme will also leave a lasting legacy beyond 2010.
Setswana:
Dintlha tse di kwa godimo le tse dingwe tse di sa buisiwang di netefatsa nngwe ya dintlha tse di tserweng kwa kopanong ya mokgatlho wa ANC kwa Polokwane ya gore moruo wa naga mo ngwageng wa 2010 o tla tlogelela setšhaba boswa.
English:
When our country bid to host this tournament, it was also on the basis that the tournament would leave a legacy for our country. Indeed we are proud to say yes, it will leave a lasting legacy that will make South Africa never the same again.
As part of our oversight work as the Portfolio Committee on Sport and Recreation, as the chairperson has already indicated, in February we travelled to the nine cities and 10 stadia, with 130 media journalists and a Fifa delegation. Besides some minor loose ends that needed to be tied up, even a BBC journalist, on the train to attend the 50-day celebration in Kimberley, confirmed yesterday that South Africa is more than ready.
Let me go through a few of the stadiums, base camps, public viewing areas and fan parks. When you drive to the eastern part of the country, where the sun rises, in the province that is an easy drive from both Swaziland, where you can eat your breakfast, and Mozambique, where you can eat your lunch, the province that will be hosting Chile in the Ngwenyama Lodge and Sport Centre, the province with the four largest economy in the country, that attracts 80% of the international tourists, you'll find a stadium that will leave the world in no doubt that this is an African tournament. The stadium is supported by 18 giraffe-shaped columns. Inside, with their black and white colours, the seats resemble a zebra hide, adding to the wild charm of the stadium. Thank you, the ANC supports the Budget Vote. [Applause.] [Time expired.]
Mr L SUKA
Ms G K TSEKE
IsiXhosa:
Mnu L SUKA: Sihlalo wale Ndlu ihloniphekileyo, Mphathiswa wezeMidlalo noLonwabo, uThahla ka Ndayeni, uZqelekazi, ...
Afrikaans:
... Adjunkminister agb mnr Gert Oosthuizen...
IsiXhosa:
... amalungu onke ale Ndlu yoWiso-Mthetho abekekileyo, zindwendwe neengcungcu ezilapha namhlanje, ndiyanikhahlela. Le nyanga yinyanga ebalulekileyo ezimbalini zeli zoMzantsi Afrika. Isizathu kukuba le nyanga kaTshazimpuzi yinyanga yokuhlonipha amaqhawe alwele le nkululeko. Yinyanga ezise inkululeko kweli loMzantsi Afrika, ingakumbi umhla wama-27 kuThazimpuzi. Le yinyanga ekusele iintsuku ezingama-49 ukuze siqale imidlalo yebhola ekhatywayo yehlabathi ye-Fifa.
Lo mhla wanamhlanje ubalulekile kuba kaloku sithetha ngoHlahlo lwaBiwo-Mali lweSebe lezeMidlalo noLonwabo ukuze kuphuculwe ubomi babantu, omhlophe nomnyama; ingakumbi abantu abangathathi ntweni, impula zikalujaca. Oko kubangwa yinto yokuba apha kwi-ANC asithethi ngezemidlalo zentlanga ngentlanga; sithetha ngezemidlalo ezingenabuhlanga. Ilifa lezemidlalo zentlanga ngentlanga yayisenza ukuba masohlukane ngobuni.
Ndizakuzathuza ndidalance kwiingongoma ezimbalwa ukuze kuvokotheke kwabamameleyo. Phambi kokuba ndihlomle, singumbutho we-ANC siyaluxhasa olu Hlahlo lwaBiwo-Mali lweli Sebe lezeMidlalo noLonwabo. Ndimvile umhlobo wam olishiyayo eli gumbi, utat' uDhlamini. Ndiyabona ufunde nto apha kwi-ANC kuba ndimboleke le ncwadi. Kodwa ndiyathemba ukuba akasuselwa into yokuba ndimrhabulise ngale ncwadi. [Kwahlekwa.]
Sihlalo obekekileyo mandincome ndityibele eli Sebe lezeMidlalo nezoLonwabo xa lithe lakhuthaza yonke imibutho yezemidlalo ukuba mayiququzele phantsi kophawu olunye loMzantsi Afrika i-Protea. I-Protea ide yafakwa kwicala elilungileyo kwizinxibo zebhola ekhatywayo. Siyanihalalisela ngobunkokheli. [Kwaqhwatywa.]
Kumqolo wama-79 phaya kwizigqibo nezinqumo zale ncwadi kuthethwa ngomcimbi we-MIG. Ndicinga ukuba izithethi zithethe kangangoko ngalo mba ngoko ke andizokuwuphinda. Into eseleyo nje kweli sebe kukuhlola ukuba ingaba imali esiyinika la maphondo iyayenza kusini na le nto ifunekayo ukuze angasokolisi iSebe lezeMidlalo noLonwabo likaZwelonke. Kaloku lo mcimbi awukho apha kulo mgangatho kazwelonke, uphaya emaphondweni nakoomasipala. Ingxaki ekhoyo kukuba i-15% yale-MIG iyanikezelwa koomasipala suke oomasipala, ngenxa yoxinzelelo abanalo, bayithathe bayise kwezinye iindawo ekufuneka imali kuzo. Umzekelo, bayisa kulwakhiwo lwezindlu kuba kaloku kutshiswa amatayala phandl' apha. Itsho ke loo nto ibangele ukuba ingaphuhliseki le yezemidlalo, kungabikho mabala okudlala.
Okwesibini besinomnqweno wokuba oomasipala basincedise. Okunye kukuba eli sebe apha kundlunkulu lithumele izijoli phaya ezantsi ziye kuqonda ukuba le mali sibanika yona iyakwenza na ekumele ikwenze. Akungencedi nto ukuba uMphathiswa aphathe iingxowa ezilithoba ngokulingene namasebe alithoba anikeze ngazo aze angazi ukuba kwenzeka ntoni na. Loo nto yenza ukuba uMhloli-zincwadi-Jikelele abhale ingxelo engeyiyo ngeli sebe. Ngako oko ke sithi lufuneka ngamandla uhlolo.
Okulandelayo, uMongangameli uthi kufuneka sitshintshe, ibe ngunyaka wentshukumo. Wonke umntu kufuneka aququzele abe sisinqininqini ukwenzela ukuba izinto zenzeke. Kodwa ukuba amagosa eli sebe aza kuhlala eziofisini angenzi le nto; inene sakufana nabantu abamumatha intlabathi.
Ndikhumbula kakuhle ngexesha uMphathiswa engekabililo iLungu lePalamente, ekhokele umzabalazo phantsi kwe-UDF kwingingqi yeBhoda, wakhe wakhokela ukwayo lwezemidlalo enamandla gqitha. Ndifuna loo mandla ngoku awasebenzise ekuqubisaneni naloo magosa angasebenziyo. [Kwahlekwa.] Ndiyakwazi Mphathiswa ukuba akulogwala kweloo cala. [Kwahlekwa.] Sikuqaphele ukuba kule minyaka imbalwa idlulileyo abantu bethu basesengxakini njengoko besenditshilo, ngoko ke masibancedise. Nathi siyajikeleza kwiindawo esihlala kuzo kwaye siza kuyinikeza ingxelo yokuba izinto azenzeki ngokubhekisele kwi-MIG.
Kutshanje besikhe saneengxoxo nomongameli we-Sascoc, uGideon Sam, othe wasixelela ukuba kumaphondo olithoba izixhobo eziluncedo zezemidlalo zigcinwe ezindlini azisetyenziswa. Sithe kuye uza kusithatha aye kusibonisa apho yenzeka khona le nto. UMnu Gideon Sam ude wabalula nomcimbi waseLusisiki. Sisajonge ukuba sindwendwele apho siye kujonga ukuba le nto yokuba kukho izixhobo ezilundelo kwezemidlalo ezigcinwe kumagumbi okugcina izinto agcwelwe ukuya kuma ngophahla injalo kusini na kwaye yenzeka phi. Ukuba sifumanise ukuba kunjalo; yiva ndikuxelela, ndikufungisa amaHegeba.
Enye ingongoma esinika ixhala ngulo mba wemvumelwano ephakathi koomasipala neemanyano zemibutho. Kwezi mvumelwano kwenziwa izinqumo nezigqibo zokunikeza ngemvume yokusetyenziswa kwamabala amele ukulawulwa ngoomasipala kwiimanyano zemibutho isithuba esiyiminyaka engama-99. Loo nto idala ukuba abantu bethu bangakwazi ukudlala imidlalo efanelekileyo kulo mabala kuba la mabala aye alawulwe ziimanyano zemibutho. Umzekelo, le nto yenzeke apha eFreystata indawo kasihlalo okanye ukapteni; izinto zenzeka phantsi kwempumlo yakhe. [Kwakhlekwa.] Siyacela ukuba xa oomasipala bengena kwizivumelwano masiwuqwalasele lo mcimbi ukwenzela ukuba abantu bethu babenakho ukudlala.
Okokugqibela, Mphathiswa mandikuncome, kodwa uwedwa akunakho ukuyenza yonke le nto. Ndiyavuma ukuba ngemalana onayo uyayinceda imibutho kwindawo esihlala kuzo xa yenze izicelo. Ndikhumbula xa wawungenelela kumnyhadala wezemidlalo owawuseDikeni. Nakwezinye indawo uyayenza loo nto. Kodwa ukuba amaphondo awakwazi ukuthi enze ntoni ngale mali, inene aza kusihlisa isidima sakho ngokokulawula. Ndicela siqinise izihlahla, singagevezeli amadolo.
Ndizakuhlala phantsi ngelithi iMpuma Koloni iyakhala ngomcimbi we-franchise; kumaxa sindawoni na kuwo. Ngexesha owawukhe wasindwendwela ngalo wathi masilungise indlu yethu kubekho ulawulo olululo. Ndicela impendulo. Enkosi. [Kwaqhwatywa.]
Mr J J VAN DER LINDE
Mr L SUKA
Mr J J VAN DER LINDE: Chairperson, hon Minister, hon Deputy Minister, hon Members, ladies and gentlemen...
Afrikaans:
...ek wil net eers verskoning maak dat ek nie in my Bafana Bafana-trui is nie, maar u weet mos die bestuurder of afrigter moet so geklee wees. Die span moet mos die klere aanhê! [Gelag.]
English:
It is indeed a pleasure to announce that we are ready to host the 2010 Fifa Soccer World Cup Tournament in 50 days. All the stadiums are ready and minor work is still being done on base camps and training venues. I'm sure it is going to be a unique and spectacular event, one that the world has not seen or expected from Africa and, in particular, South Africa.
The biggest portion of the budget is still going to the 2010 Fifa Soccer World Cup event, for the obligations that the government has to meet and the finishing of the infrastructure. It is with this in mind that we look at and engage with this budget.
Afrikaans:
Die begroting is vanjaar beduidend kleiner as die vorige jaar. Hiervan gaan R558 miljoen vir die 2010 Fifa Sokkerwêreldbekertoernooi. Van wat oorbly, neem administrasie R88 miljoen.
English:
To become a top sporting nation, very little effort is put into sport to get ultimate achievements from the athletes. This is evident in the amount for sport support services, which has decreased with R22,1 million. Of the R102,1 million, R28,7 million goes to LoveLife, which does not contribute to the success of our country's sporting achievements, as it is more geared towards social development. This R28,7 million...
Afrikaans:
...is meer as wat al die sportfederasies gesamentlik kry, naamlik R27,6 miljoen. Ek wil werklik aanbeveel dat die LoveLife-program uit die sport-agenda uitgefaseer word en die geld vir ander programme aangewend word.
English:
This will ensure that the objectives of the sport support services can be met. We are also nearing the 2010 Commonwealth Games at the end of the year, where we want our teams to win medals. In the 2012 Olympic Games we want all our athletes to perform, but little is done to prepare them thoroughly.
We are all aware of the dire constraints under which the SA Institute for Drug-Free Sport, Saids, had to be driven, practiced, executed and accomplished. Despite these constraints, Saids has come up trumps with unqualified audit reports for the last few years. The increase in their budget to R10 million is well earned and will assist in achieving their goals.
The mass participation programme received the biggest part of our budget: R487 million. The objectives of this programme encourage active, lifelong participation in sport, sustain the legacy associated with the 2010 Fifa Soccer World Cup event, and promote physical wellbeing by facilitating school sport. All these objectives are very noble. However, the question remains whether the department can reach these objectives.
Afrikaans:
Van die bedrag beskikbaar - hierdie groot bedrag – is slegs R21,9 miljoen beskikbaar vir skoolsport. Daar is gesê dat die program sy doelwitte die vorige boekjaar bereik het. Dit is egter teenstrydig met skoolsporttoernooie wat verlede jaar drie keer afgeskaal moes word, waarvan een uiteindelik afgestel moes word. Verbeel u: R21,9 miljoen vir skoolsport teenoor R28,7 miljoen vir LoveLife!
Agb Minister, ons wil sorg dat ons op internasionale vlak presteer, maar u en die regering is traag om die probleme van die afgelope paar jare in skoolsport op te los. U het USSASA doodgemaak, maar sloer om 'n werkbare oplossing vir skoolsport daar te stel. Ons verwag kwaliteit en resultate van ons nasionale spanne en atlete tydens internasionale byeenkomste, maar is nie bereid om op voetsoolvlak in skoolsport te belê nie.
English:
Let us be bold and admit that we were wrong and start putting school sport back in the hands of the teachers.
Afrikaans:
U het wel personeel in die departement wat skoolsport moet organiseer, maar wat nie veel van sport weet nie. Minister, die grootste hartseer na 16 jaar van ANC-bewind is dat ons steeds met skole op die platteland sit wat nêrens het om hul sport te beoefen nie. Dit is dus onmoontlik vir atlete om hul potensiaal te ontwikkel as gevolg van fasiliteite wat ontbreek of nie bestaan nie, die koste aan proewe in groter stede en oefenkampe in groter stede wat hulle nie kan bywoon nie, en die koste aan nasionale toernooie wat hulle nie kan bywoon nie.
English:
Funding from international bodies for attendance in international events is normally sufficient, but local rural athletes struggle to attend tournaments.
Afrikaans:
Agb Minister, dit het nou tyd geword om die bul by die horings te pak, die verlede te begrawe en aan te dui hoe ons dit wat ons het gaan gebruik om probleme in skoolsport met plattelandse atlete gaan oplos. Dis interessant, mnr die Minister, hierdie pamflette word vandag hier buite uitgedeel. Lees dit! Cheryl Roberts sê baie pertinent daarin dat "the situation is that only if you have money, can you participate in sport." Dis 'n groot probleem, mnr die Minister.
Ek herhaal: die bedrae in die begroting beskikbaar vir massadeelname en LoveLife moet korrek aangewend word om die behoeftes van ons jeug aan te spreek en om beskikbare potensiaal te ontwikkel.
English:
Hon Minister, your noble vision is under serious threat of not being realised, unless the various programmes are condensed into one, and it is properly managed and coordinated.
Afrikaans:
Sport het vandag 'n beroep geword. Ons moet sorg dat programme van so 'n aard is dat almal in ons land die geleentheid het om te ontwikkel. Die vraag oor hoeveel skole geen fasiliteit per provinsie in die land het nie, is telkemale gevra, so ook opleiding van lewensoriënteringonderwysers by skole. Skoolsport het agteruit gegaan toe liggaamlike opvoeding as vak afgeskaf is. Dis egter verblydend dat dit deels terug is in die vorm van lewensoriëntering, maar onderwyseropleiding bly egter die uitdaging.
Oor die miljoene rande van Lotto is daar al baie gesê. Ek gaan nie verder daarop uitbrei nie, want die tyd loop uit.
Gelukwensing aan ons paralimpiese atlete met hul prestasies die afgelope jare wat SA se naam hoog gehou het! Besondere gelukwensing aan Ernst van Dyk wat die afgelope naweek vir die 9de keer die Boston-maraton gewen het, asook aan Krige Schabort.
Laastens, Voorsitter, wil ek net sê voorspoed aan Bafana Bafana! Ons ondersteun julle.
English:
We want you to do the nation proud. I thank you. [Applause.]
Mr C T FROLICK
Mr J J Van der Linde
Mr C T FROLICK: Hon Chairperson, Minister, Deputy Minister, hon members, earlier the Minister said informally that the time allocated for debate was too short. We agree, Minister, that if we are to discuss all the issues we most probably need more than a single day.
However, hon Chairperson, I want to start my contribution to this debate by paying tribute to a poet, an activist and an author, and one of the pioneers of nonracial sport in South Africa, the late Professor Dennis Brutus, who passed away here in Cape Town on 26 December last year. South Africans will recall that Prof Brutus had been the President of Sanroc (South African Nonracial Olympic Committee), among others. His activism led to Olympic officials banning South Africa from any Olympic competition from 1964 until the end of apartheid. In December 2007, Prof Brutus was to be inducted into the South African Sports Hall of Fame. At the induction ceremony, he publicly turned down his nomination, saying, and I quote:
It is incompatible to have those who championed racist sport alongside its genuine victims. It's time – indeed, long past time – for sports truth, apologies and reconciliation.
The legacy left by Prof Brutus provides and compels us to exploit all opportunities, hon Minister, to build a country and a sports movement that address the inequalities in society. To achieve this we require sports activists who prioritise the collective good of our people above personal gain and comfort. Attempts to achieve transformation in sport will only succeed if administrators and stakeholders have a clear understanding of, firstly, the damage that was caused by segregation and, secondly, what needs to be done to fix the problem. It also highlights the need for committed individuals who are unapologetic in pursuance of the objective of a democratic, united and non-racial society.
It is a sad reality that for us the norm has become to view transformation as an event and not as a part of a nation-building project that must be nurtured and protected. No amount of lip-service and workshops on transformation will succeed in instilling confidence in sport administrators to proceed with the process of transformation. It is important, hon Minister that we continue to train our sport administrators through the programmes of the departments and also through stakeholders such as Supersport and the programme that it runs through its Wits Business School. This has delivered, in a sustainable manner, qualified sport administrators who can administer sport.
You mentioned earlier, hon Minister, that sport is alive and well in this country. Yes, I agree that it is "alive", but it's debatable whether it's "well". And the reason I say this is because a month ago, towards the end of March, I, together with the president of Safcoc, attended a boxing tournament at the new International Convention Centre in East London. And on display, apart from the professional bouts, were very young boxers – amateurs – who have just entered the sport. Of course they come from the Mecca of boxing in South Africa: Mdantsane and Zwelitsha. It is thus important, hon Minister, that we don't kill boxing in South Africa. What we need to do is to correct and assist them through this Convention so that we can produce more boxers who can bring pride to the country. We will wait and see what the intended legislation is and we will give direction to the comrades deployed on the private members' legislation committee, and how to deal with the matter when it arise there.
I am convinced the hon members witnessed over the Easter weekend how different sporting codes came together to participate in different sports activities. The questions that arise are, is this hive of activity possible because of the support they are getting, or is it because of funding, or is it in spite of the support they are getting. I would say, hon Minister, it is in spite of the meagre resources that is made available that they are achieving this success.
We are convinced, hon members, that after the hosting of the 2010 Fifa Soccer World Cup we will see a surge in the number of young boys and girls who want to play football. The question is how we are going to respond to these expectations. Hon Minister, it is thus important that we turn our attention to the flagship programme of the department, the Mass Participation Programme. Over the next three years, close to R2 billion will be spent on this programme. It is about time, Minister, that we fine-tune this programme so that we can move it to another level. It is simply not good enough to say that we have the hubs and that mass participation programmes are taking place, but when you visit the hubs, you notice that the provinces, and in certain respects the municipalities, that are responsible for the implementation of the programme simply shows no appetite to achieve its original objective.
You've also stated your intent in terms of school sport and it is absolutely correct. I will agree that we need to align these programmes with one another, because it's difficult to separate them. How do you tell a youngster that participates in a mass participation programme, "You have to wait for the school sport budget and programme before you are allowed to move to the next level"? In this regard, hon Minister, we propose that we form a closer working relationship with those progressive federations, and I want to stress progressive federations, in certain parts of the country that can actually assist us and the Department and the implementation of that mass participation programme.
We have had different comments during this debate, hon Minister, especially from the hon Alberts. I see the hon Alberts is back now.
Afrikaans:
Hy het gesê "...as ons suksesvol gaan wees met die aanbieding van die Fifa-sokkerwêreldbekertoernooi in 2010..." Dis nie 'n geval van as ons suksesvol gaan wees met die aanbieding van die Fifa-sokkerwêreldbekertoernooi nie, dit is eerder 'n geval van wanneer ons suksesvol gaan wees om dié toernooi aan te bied.
English:
Mention was also made by the hon member that the world has a negative view of South Africa at the moment, and that transformation has gone too far.Minister, as I have said, transformation is not an event. It is a process that all of us must own and nurture. What are the lessons that we have learnt up until now? Of course there will be more lessons to be learnt as we move on to the hosting of the 2010 Fifa Soccer World Cup.
Firstly, we are filled with national pride, irrespective of the political party we belong to. We are proudly South African because of the efforts made thus far. We have also proven to the world that we as a nation can deliver on commitments made to the international community. Internationally we are now perceived as a reliable partner who can implement decisions that have been taken and we can proudly take our place among the family of nations. We have also proven that working together as a nation we can deliver quality products, services and events within agreed timeframes, and we stick to deadlines. The preparations for the 2010 Fifa Soccer World Cup have unleashed an unwavering resolve by all our people, in spite of Afro-pessimism, to prove to the world that we can "work together to do more for our people", even beyond the 2010 Fifa Soccer World Cup.
The message, hon Minister, for the key programmes in the department is: as the lead department in the 2010 Fifa Soccer World Cup, you have taken us to the brink of history in providing a quality tournament. Let us use the skills and expertise that we have attained during this process to make a success of implementing those grassroots programmes that will ensure sustainable success for our people. Afrika ke nako! Let's celebrate Africa's humanity. I thank you. [Applause]
The MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION
Mr C T FROLICK
The MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: Hon Chairperson, let me first apologise to the hon Dudley and the new member, I think it is the hon Alberts. I couldn't quite get what they were saying. They are very tall for these things and we would have preferred them to sit down. But we will find time to engage with them on a one-to-one basis.
Let me first indulge this House in giving a snippet of the issues surrounding Miss Mokgadi Semenya. The story is now known all over the world. But what is not known yet is the fact that that debacle will remain one of the milestones of South Africa's achievements in the sports front. The golden girl has assisted the sports fraternity and sports world in looking afresh at a whole number of issues, especially the issues of intersex athletes and intersex participants in sports. It also taught us that anatomical, physiological and chromosomal characteristics are not supreme in the determination of who the person is. What defines a person is the decision that the person takes at birth of whether he or she is male or female. That is what is very important here.
Of course, laboratory tests and all those other scientific issues are very important, but only important where equity of competition is concerned, not where the definition of a person is concerned. The whole world has taken this as a very good lesson and the scientists are taking it forward.
We appreciate South Africa's support for this young athlete. We appreciate and respect her choice to shut up if she doesn't want to talk about her disorder and pronounce on those issues only when she is ready to do so.
On the issues raised, I fully agree with the Chairperson of the Portfolio Committee on Sports, who also seems to be supported by the hon Van Der Linde as well as by the hon Mmusi. I will not dwell on this but I will summarise.
We cannot divorce the development of sports from the deracialisation of the economy and society. These are sine qua non; you cannot separate one from the other.
Most of the facilities that we talk about in the urban areas today were not created or built by the state, but by what was regarded in those times as the patriotic private sector. That is the importance of ownership of the means of production. We were once taught about those concepts. They are as valid now as they were when articulated by those philosophers. We are missing the boat unless we relate poverty and economy to the inaccessibility and availability of sports facilities. We are missing the boat. We are going to come here crying year after year. This is what we can talk about when we are called by the Chairperson to workshops. We will need more time to discuss these things.
Let me also quickly deal with the issue of Boxing South Africa. The Deputy Minister already referred to that we are going to deal with it tomorrow – to deal with it within the law. The DA always reminds us of the rule of law. I don't know why they are chastising us now for being slow because we have to follow the prescripts of the law. We will await the law; it does not exist until it is in the office of the Chief Whip and the Speaker.
On the issue regarding the Auditor-General's qualification, this one qualification by the Auditor-General has been used in the hyperbolic hullaballoo about continued audits. There are two issues in this one audit that are being queried. The first one is common sense. How do you calculate a percentage when you do not know the whole? What is a quarter of something? [Laughter.] There is no such thing and there's nobody who can solve that issue because the federations that are supposed to give us royalties are supposed to give us a percentage of their sales - and nobody knows the sum total of those sales.
The last thing related to that we are discussing with the Auditor-General. We can't understand why an agreement made in 1996 between two nongovernmental organisations, NGOs, the South African Rugby Union and the National Sports Council, becomes binding to the state. There is no such thing and we've raised with the Auditor-General that they are asking us to do the impossible. We think it is an illegal query which they are persistently raising with us.
Last but not least, LoveLife is a function of the Department of Health and Treasury, not ours. We can talk about that also.
We want to bow our heads to the late Dennis Brutus and the late Samaranch. We welcome our new Deputy Director-General, DDG, Ms Sumaya Khan from KwaZulu-Natal. I have no doubt in my mind that with all this weaponry and all of you, we will be able to achieve our targets now, in 2010, and in the following years. Wasala walala, wanyotha wasala! [You snooze, you lose.] [Applause.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr M B Skosana): Hon members, you are reminded that the Extended Public Committee on Co-operative Governance and Traditional Affairs will meet in the Old Assmbly Chamber at 16:30. The Extended Public Committee on International Relations and Co-operation will also meet at 16:30 in the Committee Room E249, where we are now. That concludes the debate and the business of the Extended Public Committee.
Debate concluded.
The committee rose at 16:36
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