Hansard: Ministers's Responses / Members's Statements
House: National Assembly
Date of Meeting: 17 Aug 2009
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UNREVISED HANSARD
NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
Tuesday, 18 August 2009 Take: 171
PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
TUESDAY, 18 AUGUST 2009
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The House met at 14:02.
The Speaker took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayers or meditation.
VACANCIES
(Announcement)
The Speaker announced that the vacancy which occurred in the National Assembly owing to Ms B Mbete being unavailable to take up her seat, had been filled by the nomination of Mr D D van Rooyen with effect from 27 July 2009 and that the vacancies which occurred due to the resignations of Ms L D Zulu and Ms L M Odendaal had been filled by the nominations of Ms N D Ngcengwane with effect from 29 July 2009 and Mr L Ramatlakane with effect from 15 July 2009.
The members made and subscribed the oath in the Speaker's office on 6 August 2009.
The Speaker further announced that the vacancies which had occurred owing to the resignation of Mr B M Balfour and Ms L B Hendricks had been filled by the nomination, with effect from 5 August 2009, of Mr G G Oliphant and Ms A van Wyk respectively.
Mr Oliphant and Ms Van Wyk, accompanied by Mr M Gungubele and Mr E M Sulliman, made and subscribed the oath, and took their seats.
The SPEAKER: Hon members, I welcome you to the National Assembly. [Applause.]
Mr D J MAYNIER
THE SPEAKER
NOTICES OF MOTION
Mr D J MAYNIER: Mr Speaker, I hereby give notice that I intend moving the following motion:
That the House debates the crisis in the National Conventional Arms Control Committee and its implications for South Africa.
Mr M B SKOSANA
Mr D J MAYNIER
Mr M B SKOSANA: Mr Speaker, I move without notice that -
The House debates the meaning and implications of the activist Parliament and state as propagated by President Jacob Zuma in his state of the nation address and subsequent gatherings, and how this is meant to fulfil the developmental needs of all the people, in particular the poor and the marginalised majority.
Mr M J ELLIS
Mr M B SKOSANA
CONGRATULATIONS TO ARCHBISHOP TUTU ON RECEIVING US AWARD
(Draft Resolution)
Mr M J ELLIS: Mr Speaker, I move without notice:
That the House –
(1) notes that Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu was awarded the United States Presidential Medal of Freedom on Wednesday, 12 August 2009;
(2) further notes that this award, the highest civilian award in the US, is awarded to people who have made an especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the US, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavours;
(3) recognises that he has received this award for being outspoken on issues of concern both within and outside government and for defending the interests of the people of this country;
(4) acknowledges the White House statement that he has "… an unflagging devotion to justice, indomitable optimism and an unmistakable sense of humour, stirring the world's conscience for decades."; and
(5) congratulates Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu not only on this great honour that has been bestowed on him, but also for making the people of South Africa proud and for continuing to be responsive to and outspoken on matters of national importance.
Agreed to.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY
Mr M J ELLIS
CONDOLENCES ON DEATH OF DR T W KAMBULE
(Draft Resolution)
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: Mr Speaker, I move without notice:
That the House –
(1) notes with profound sadness the death on Friday, 7 August 2009, of Dr Thamsanqa Wilkinson Kambule;
(2) further notes that Dr Kambule, in his lifelong career in teaching, has taught, amongst others, Nobel Prize winner Archbishop Desmond Mpilo Tutu, Jackie Selebi, Communications Minister General Siphiwe Nyanda, Pansy Tlakula of the Independent Electoral Commission and Kaizer Motaung, to mention but a few;
(3) recognises that in 2002 Dr Kambule received the Order of the Baobab in gold from former President Thabo Mbeki for his exceptional contribution to mathematics, education, human development and community service;
(4) believes that he was a true teacher who inspired his learners to aim high despite the daunting challenges of the time; and
(5) conveys its condolences to the Kambule family, his peers and friends.
Agreed to.
Rev K R J MESHOE
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY
CONGRATULATIONS TO CASTER SEMENYA ON WINNING WOMEN'S 800 METRE HEAT
(Draft Resolution)
Rev K R J MESHOE: Mr Speaker, I move without notice:
That the House –
(1) notes that Caster Semenya from Limpopo stumbled over a fallen athlete from Kenya during the women's 800 meter first heat event at the World Athletics Championships in Berlin on Sunday;
(2) further notes that the 18-year-old athlete came close to falling, but she regained her composure and ended up winning the heat;
(3) congratulates Caster on her courage, brilliant race, great sportsmanship and for winning the heat; and
(4) wishes her a speedy recovery from her ankle injury and hopes that she will be able to represent South Africa in the 800 metre final which we know to be her greatest desire.
Agreed to.
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY
Rev K R J MESHOE
CONGRATULATIONS TO SPRINGBOKS
(Draft Resolution)
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: Mr Speaker, I hereby move without notice:
That the House –
(1) notes the historic 2-1 victory of the Springboks over the British and Irish Lions in the recently concluded rugby test series;
(2) further notes the superb victories of the Springboks over the New Zealand All Blacks and the Australian Wallabies in the current Tri-Nations series that has taken our country to the Number 1 position in world rugby;
(3) congratulates the achievement of John Smit who became the most capped Springbok captain; and
(4) wishes the team well for the rest of the Tri-Nations series.
Agreed to.
Rev K R J MESHOE
THE CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY
GOOD WISHES EXTENDED TO RUBEN RAMOLEFI
(Draft Resolution)
Rev K R J MESHOE: Mr Speaker, I move without notice:
That the House –
(1) notes with great appreciation that on Sunday Ruben Ramolefi became South Africa's first finalist at the 12th World Athletic Championships held in Berlin;
(2) further notes that Ramolefi dictated the pace from start to finish in the second heat of the 3 000 metre steeplechase on the second day of the competition;
(3) further notes that Ramolefi is oozing confidence and is planning to bring a gold medal back home; and
(4) wishes him well in the finals and hopes he will record his fourth best time to make his dream come true.
Agreed to.
THE CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY
REV K R J MESHOE
MOTION OF CONDOLENCE
(The late Mr V MOCHE)
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: Mr Speaker, I move without notice:
That the House –
(1) notes with profound sadness the untimely death of Mr Victor Moche on Saturday, 1 August 2009;
(2) recognises that at the time of his death Mr Moche was chairman of the board of the Gauteng Economic Development Agency, Geda. He was a former head of regulatory and government relations at Telkom and also ran a security company business;
(3) remembers that he returned to South Africa in 1991 after spending more than 20 years in exile during which he worked for the ANC in several countries including Canada and Algeria;
(4) acknowledges that his untimely death has robbed South Africa of a dedicated and committed patriot;
(5) believes that he has discharged his responsibilities with distinction, discipline, diligence and humility; and
(6) conveys its condolences to the Moche family and the ANC.
Agreed to.
THE CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY
THE CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY
MOTION OF CONDOLENCE(The late Mr J P Phungula)
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: I move:
That the House –
(1) notes with sadness that on Sunday, 9 August 2009, Johannes
Phumani "Past Four" Phungula passed away;
(2) further notes that "Past Four", as he was known by his comrades, joined the ANC in 1952 and immediately became a volunteer at the height of the Defiance Campaign while working as a migrant worker at Joko Tea;
(3) recognises that in 1959 Hon Phungula was deployed to work in his hometown of Hlokozi to revive political consciousness among the rural communities that had participated in the popular rural struggles and that he was instrumental in mobilising women's protests in iXopo against the draconian pass laws;
(4) recalls that, together with President Jacob Zuma, Hon Phungula worked tirelessly recruiting young people to join the ANC underground structures;
(5) remembers that in 1976 he left the country on the instructions of his movement, the ANC, and upon arrival in exile he was further instructed to go to the then Soviet Union to receive military training and that on completion of his training, he assumed many positions in uMkhonto we Sizwe ranks until his return to South Africa in 1993;
(6) further remembers that in 2004 he was elected to the National Assembly where he remained a Member until the end of term of the third democratic Parliament and that "Past Four" had astute leadership qualities and that many of our public representatives were deferring to him for wise counsel;
(7) believes that Hon Phungula has discharged his responsibilities with dedication, discipline, diligence and humility and that the life of this great leader epitomises heroism and commitment to the cause of the poor; and
(7) conveys its condolences to the Phungula family and the ANC.
Dr A LOTRIET
THE CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY
Dr A LOTRIET: Mr Speaker, at moments such as this we are faced by the two great realities of human life, the promise and possibility of time, and the finiteness of that time.
As human beings one of the greatest gifts we have is the time given to us, and one of the greatest gifts we can give in return is the way in which we use our allotted time. Some fail to make much impression or do much in their time, others make the most of it and leave an impression on the lives of others.
When looking at the life of the hon Phungula, one cannot but realise that he made the most of his gift of time. At a young age he became involved by joining the ANC and the defiance campaign. He left his mark by being instrumental in various protest actions, such as the women's protest against the pass laws and the protests against the reapportioning of land in rural areas.
These activities led to his being arrested and imprisoned, and eventually living in exile where he was deployed in various positions in uMkhonto weSizwe.
On his return he was actively involved in the rural areas, working closely with traditional leaders. During this time and in his involvement in different activities and positions, he distinguished himself as a leader who was characterised by his warm and charismatic personality.
This life of service and dedication culminated in his election to the national Parliament in 2004. Here he served with distinction until April 2009.
During his time as a Member of Parliament, he served on the Portfolio Committee on Arts and Culture and alternatively on the Portfolio Committee on Defence and the Joint Standing Committee on Defence. He also distinguished himself in terms of his leadership skills, honesty, dedication and wisdom. His was thus a life where the time that was given was used to the fullest, not only for the advancement of himself but to improve and shape the lives of others.
Through his life of service to his country and its people during the struggle and in the democratic dispensation, he helped to shape his time. We can use the example of his life in our effort to exercise a spirit of service to the community.
The DA extends its heartfelt condolences to his wives, children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren and the ANC. Thank you. [Applause.]
Ms C M P KOTSI
Dr A LOTRIET
Sesotho:
Mofts C M P KOTSI: Modula setulo ke nka motsotso ona ho tlisa matshediso lelapeng la ntate Phungula le motse wa hae o moholo le lelapa le leholo la hae la ANC, ha kajeno tau e kgolo e wele, ha kajeno sefate se seholo se wetse fatshe. Ntate J P PHUNGULA e ne e le ntate ya hlomphehang, re ne re sebetsa le yena, ha ke no ho bua ka hore o tswa hokae hoba mokgatlo wa hae ose o buile hore na o tswa hokae empa rona ba ileng ba atamelana le yena nako le motsotso, e ne ele ntate ya itlhomphang ya hlomphang le batho bohle. E ne ele motho ya sedi ka dinako tsohle komiting eo a sebetsang ho yona. A re ho leng bohlokwa ke hore batho puong ya bona kapa nthong ena eo re e etsang na ekaba e tla tlisa phetoho maphelong a batho na? Haholo-holo maphelong a batho ba hlophehileng.
E ne ele ntate eo ereng ha ho buuwa are: "sekgowa sena se lokile empa ha se sa tsebe ho arabella bofuma ba batho ha se etse letho". E ne ele ntate eo e ne e re ha re tsamaya le yena ka nakonyana e nnyane eo a neng a sebetsa komiting ya Public Works, e ne e le motho eo oka mo thabelang haholo ha o tsamaile le yena. Motho wa ditshehiso tse ngata empa o ne are ha ho thuse letho hore tjhelete ya balefi ba lekgetho re e sebedisetse ho theosa re nyolosa re sa tsebe ho etsa seo e leng thomo ya rona Palamenteng.
Ke ntate ya neng a tseba hore ka nako eo a neng a lwana o ne a sa lwanele yena le setjhaba sa hae feela empa o ne a lwanela setjhaba sohle sa Aforika Borwa hore e be karolo ya phetoho ya lefatshe. O ne a tiile ka dinako tsohle nthong eo a e emetseng. One aka bua ka dintho tse pedi feela, e ne ese motho ya buang haholo empa mantswe a hae ane a phedisa batho bohle ebile a ne a akaretsa diphetoho tsa rona kaofela mona lefatsheng la Aforika Borwa. Ke a leboha. [Mahofi.]
Mr A M MPONTSHANE
Ms C M P KOTSI
Mr A M MPONTSHANE: Hon Speaker, on behalf of the IFP and its president, Prince Buthelezi, I wish to join this House in expressing our condolences to the ANC and to the family and friends of Johannes Phumani "Pass Four" Phungula on his untimely passing, earlier this month.
Phungula's premature death speaks powerfully to our past. It is during our struggle for freedom that my party, the IFP, often referred to our comrades in exile, such as Phungula, as our brothers. We were ridiculed for using this term by organisations such as Jeugkrag. However, our vision and hunger for a free, equal South Africa is what unified the different components of this liberation struggle, helping it to achieve our common goal.
The National Cultural Liberation Movement, from which the IFP was born, had as its aim a multistructural approach, for the freedom of our people and for a united, nonracial, democratic country. This too was the vision of Johannnes Phumani "Pass Four" Phungula. The IFP today honours Phungula as a struggle veteran, a mentor to many South Africans and an honest leader, who served this Parliament and his country with commitment, discipline, dedication and vigour.
Let us never forget that our struggle will only cease once we have ensured a better life for all; once we have reached a point where every human life is valued and crime is not a crisis; once we have overcome HIV/Aids, poverty and corruption; and once we are able to build a society based on strong moral values. Only then will we truly be honouring the great South Africans who came before us.
IsiZulu:
Izinyanya zakubo zize zimemukele kahle, alale ngokuthula.
Mr S Z NTAPANE
Mr A M MPONTSHANE
Mr S Z NTAPANE: Hon Speaker and hon members, we are gathered once more to undertake the sad duty of bidding farewell to a fellow member of this Parliament, the late hon J P Phungula. We extend our heartfelt sympathies to the late Phungula's family, friends and colleagues.
At times such as these it is only the love and support of family that can provide one with comfort. It is only the remembrance of a life lived well that can provide consolation. We hope that part of that remembrance of his family and friends will include the late hon member's contribution and participation in this institution, and that his having been a part of this democratic institution will give some consolation. On behalf of UDM and its leader, may his soul rest in peace. Thank you.
Ms C DUDLEY
Mr S Z NTAPANE
Ms C DUDLEY: Hon Speaker, the ACDP offers condolences to the family of hon Johannes Phungula who died on 09 August 2009. He played a significant part in mobilising the women's protests against the pass laws in eXobho in the late 50s, and he was elected to Parliament in 2004.
The ACDP recognises his courageous stand on the Civil Unions Bill as he chose to break ranks with his party and abstain from voting. The ACDP also offers its condolences to the ANC, and, indeed, to you, Mr President, in your absence, understanding that you have lost a friend of nearly 50 years. Thank you.
Ms I C DITSHETELO
Ms C DUDLEY
Ms I C DITSHETELO: Thank you, hon Speaker. God made us to live and stay in this world but once and so the passing on of the hon member J P Phungula has been a blow to us and the society. His work in the community and politics will be greatly missed. The UCDP passes its sympathy to everybody who knew and worked with him, especially his bereaved family. May his soul rest in peace. Thank you.
Mr M D GUMEDE
Ms I C DITSHETELO
IsiZulu:
Mnu D M GUMEDE: Somlomo, namalungu onke ePhalamende, ngiyanibingelela ngenkulu inhlonipho.
Ubaba uPhungula wazalwa ngomhlaka 15 kuMashi ngo1932, eNhlazuka ngaseRichmond, ezalwa yintombi yakwaShange. Ubeshadile futhi enemakhosikazi amabili. Wajoyina uKhongolose ngo1952 eThekwini lapho aba ngelinye lamavolontiya esebenza kwa-Joko Tea. Kulapho ahlangana khona namalungu agqamile omzabalazo eSACTU, esebenza nobaba uMoses Mabhida, Steven Dlamini nobaba uMtshali okhona la kuleNdlu.
Wagqugquzela amakhosikazi ekulweni nomzabalazo wamapasi obandlululo kanti futhi wayebalulekile emkhankasweni owawulwa nokwephucwa umhlaba, eXobho yizigagayi zobandlululo. Emuva kokuhlukunyezwa kaningi ngamaphoyisa obandlululo wahamba waya ekudingisweni ngo1976 lapho khona wathunyelwa khona eRussia ukuyoqeqeshwa ngezempi.
Ngemuva konyaka wabuyela eSwazini lapho bamenza khona umkhuzi wezempi okusho ukuthi nguKhomanda ngesilungu wamabutho ayezongena eNatali ngaphansi kukaJoe Modise noJoe Slovo. KwaKhongolose ubehlonishwa kakhulu yizozonke izinkokheli zakhe ngobuciko bobuholi ayenabo. Kumalungu kaKhongolose ubehlonishwa kakhulu nalapha ePhalamende ngoba ubethi uma ebona ukuthi akuhambi kahle, asukume asho ngaphandle ukuthi ubani ophethe umhlangano futhi uma ulalela ubone ubuhlakani bakhe.
Ubengayifuni into ebheke eceleni ngisho kuthiwa uzohlomula kangakanani futhi engenasikhathi sobutofotofo nobucwebecwebe banoma yiluphi uhlobo. Okusho ukuthi ngesiLungu ...
English:
He was not a materialist. He was principled, disciplined and had no time for dishonesty. For parliamentary meetings he was always on time, all the time. He had respect for authority and yet had no fear of anyone. He was a brilliant strategist with a wonderful emotional intelligence.
IsiZulu:
Yebo, silahlakelwe yinsizwa ezinsizweni,indoda emadodeni! Iqhawe lamaqhawe! Siyohlala simkhumbula ngobuqotho bakhe, ngesibindi sakhe, ngokwethembeka kwakhe, ngokuzithoba kwakhe nangokuzinikela kwakhe kuyo yonke into ayenzayo. KwabakaPhungula sithi: Lalani ngenxeba; akwehlanga lungehliyo. Indima yakhe uyilimle wayiqeda, okwethu asibonge uMdali ngokwesipho sakhe esiyigugu asinika sona ngokuthi, kuthi lapha ezweni lethu elinezingqinamba ezingaka asinike igugu lokuxazulula izinkinga esinazo. KuKhongolose sithi: Umkhonto oyigugu uwile; abeza ngemuva kwakhe abawucoshe, bawusebenzise njengaye bawuphathe njengezikhali zamaNtungwa. Siyakhuleka kuwe gosa lamagosa, qhawe lomkhonto ulale ngoxolo. Siyohlala sikukhonzile, sikuthanda qhawe lalaqhawe! Mdlovu usikhonzele koTambo, koModise, koMahabane, koDube ubatshele ukuthi basibheke, masibonise indlela ngaso sonke isikhathi. Ngithi kuwe ndlelanhle!
THE CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY
Mr D M GUMEDE
MOTION OF CONDOLENCE
(The late Mr M J Phala)
The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: Hon Speaker, hon Deputy President, I move: That the House –
(1) notes with sadness that on Thursday, 30th July 2009, Ntate Mahwidi John "Mokgomana" Phala passed away.
(2) further notes that hon Phala joined the ANC in 1953, and immediately became part of the group of people who moved from village to village to collect demands for the Freedom Charter. He also attended the historic Congress of the People that adopted the Freedom Charter;
(3) recognises that in 1954 hon Phala, together with leaders such as Flag Boshielo, Elias Motsoaledi, Lucas Kgaphola, Oriah Maleka and Mogaramedi Sekhukhune, to mention but a few, formed an organisation called "Sebatakgomo" to organise migrant workers from Sekhukhuneland who were working in areas around Johannesburg;
(4) recalls that Sebatakgomo played a leading role in a militant
uprising in May 1958 against the apartheid regime's attempts to
introduce the diabolic scheme of extending race discrimination by introducing Bantu homelands, a scheme that included the curtailing of cattle numbers, fencing, land partitioning, Bantu regional and territorial authorities and the enthroning and dethroning of chiefs by the apartheid state;
(5) remembers that in 1961 "Mokgomana", as he was known by his
comrades, was amongst the first to join uMkhonto weSizwe and
was part of the Mzimhlophe unit before he went on to organise
his own units in areas such as Moletsane and Naledi;
(6) further remembers that in 1976 he was arrested and sentenced to
30 years on Robben Island and while there he shared a prison cell with hon Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe.
I thank you hon Deputy Speaker. [Applause.]
Mr J SELFE
THE CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY
Mr J SELFE: Madam Deputy Speaker, we, from the DA, would like to associate ourselves with the tributes paid to the late Mhwidi John Phala. Mr Phala had a long and distinguished career as an activist, a trade unionist, an organiser of community resistance, a member of MK, and as a public representative in the provincial legislature and in this National Assembly.
He was born to poor parents in the deep rural areas, and he did not have the advantage of a formal education, and yet he was a natural leader of the various organisations to which he belonged and the campaigns in which he was involved. Yet, throughout his life he remained humble and dedicated to the constituency he wished to serve, and whose lives he wished to better.
Naturally his role in the struggle exposed him to periodic prison sentences, including a 30-year sentence served in part on Robben Island, in the same cell, I understand, as the hon Deputy President. Perhaps because of his experience of prisons and of being a prisoner, he was a natural and very well-informed member of the Portfolio Committee on Correctional Services, which is how I came to know and like him.
The Portfolio Committee on Correctional Services is not a glamorous committee. Much of its work is concerned with the oversight of the 237 correctional centres, and oversight tours are long and frequently quite exhausting.
The late John Phala was already 80 years of age when he joined the committee, yet he accompanied us on most of the oversight visits and we benefited greatly from his experience and his insights. He was also an extremely conscientious member of the committee and insisted on attending all meetings, even when he was very ill.
I remember one evening when we were visiting the KwaZulu-Natal prisons in 2006, we were staying in a hotel in Durban and Mr Phala went for a walk in the beach front. During the course of this walk he was mugged and his cell phone was stolen. I remember thinking how outrageous it was that somebody who had given so much and who was so passionate about rehabilitating offenders should be the victim of this senseless and violent crime. Yet even this experience did not diminish his determination to develop an effective prison system in South Africa.
Mr Phala lived a very full life and he had the satisfaction of living to see the things he had fought for realised in South Africa. We extend our condolences to his family and his friends, and to his colleagues in the ANC. May he rest in peace. [Applause.]
Ms C M P KOTSI
Mr J SELFE
Ms C M P KOTSI: Madam Deputy Speaker, as we reflect on a 100 days of the present administration led by President Zuma, let me take this opportunity and join other South Africans to pay our deepest condolences to Ntate Phala and his family.
Ntate Phala was a formidable member of the ANC and uMkhonto weSizwe, and during the struggle distinguished himself as a mentor, a visionary and someone who had unquestionable credentials. Because of his quest to free South Africa, he was detained on Robben Island.
After the first democratic elections in 1994, he served in the Limpopo legislature for one term and later served two terms in the National Assembly, until April 2009. Some of us knew him as a man of dignity, a mentor and a father figure. I'm sure as we were sitting in this House many of us gained valuable knowledge and useful information through his vast experience.
During the third democratic Parliament, my office was next to Ntate Phala's and he would always come and greet and ask how the family was. This then showed him as a caring father and perhaps very outstanding in that way.
I do want to say Ntate Phala was a respected and dignified man. People would remember something that happened in this parliament, when there was the Travelgate scandal and for some reason Ntate Phala saw himself entangled in this thing. We couldn't imagine how Ntate Phala could be involved.
When there was money that was to be paid in he was prepared to pay that money, even though he did not actually get in on the act of Travelgate. If it were not for hon member Kompela, he would have actually paid money that he did not even owe. He was so dignified and thought that we could not, and he, himself, could not be seen to be involved in this. Of course he was not and somehow it's good that that matter was laid to rest and was dealt with amicably.
In celebrating his life in politics - and we say he lived the life and was the change he wanted to see in the world, especially South Africa and Africa - we hope our sons and daughters can emulate him and also Ntate Phungula to forge ahead in the building of the truly nonracial society we all fought for. The dedication of a free society for all who live in it should be based on that which the two veterans have actually shown us.
Following the passing of Ntate Phala, we extend our deepest condolences to his family and the ANC. Rere robala kagotso Mogalabi. I thank you. [Applause.]
Ms C N Z ZIKALALA
MS C M P KOTSI
Ms C N Z ZIKALALA: Madam Deputy Speaker, on behalf of the IFP and our President Dr M G Buthelezi, today we are mourning the death of a man, uBaba uJohn Phala, chiefly known as Mokgomana, who has contributed so much to the struggle for the freedom of our country. It has been a great loss to South Africa as a whole, because to lose a man of his stature affects us all.
To the family of uBaba uPhala...
IsiZulu:
... kanjalo nakuKhongolose, sithi ...
English:
... we extend our heartfelt condolences. May his soul depart in peace. Siyabonga. [Applause.]
Mr N M KGANYAGO
Ms C N Z ZIKALALA
Mr N M KGANYAGO: Deputy Speaker, Deputy President and hon members, today we are required to pay our respects to hon member M J Phala. Allow me, on behalf of the UDM, to extend our condolences to his family, friends and colleagues during this time of bereavement. It is not possible to ease your sense of loss, but we hope that you will find solace amongst one another. And in the long run your sadness will be lessened by memories of his achievements.
He joins the ranks of those other great South Africans who have passed away, but will be remembered for contributing to the building of the democratic and free South Africa.
Robala ka khotso, senatla. [Rest in peace, mighty one.]
Ms C DUDLEY
Mr N M KGANYAGO
Ms C DUDLEY: Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. The ACDP notes the significant contribution to the history of South Africa of Mr John Phala who passed away last month. As a member of the provincial legislature and this House, he leaves the legacy of dedication and hard work. The ACDP offers condolences to the Phala family and to the ANC on the loss of a long-time friend and comrade. Thank you.
Ms M N MATLADI
Ms C DUDLEY
Ms M N MATLADI: Thank you, hon Deputy Speaker. The UCDP conveys its condolences to the bereaved family of the late hon M J Phala for the loss of their beloved son, beloved brother and beloved father.
Hon M J Phala served as a member of the provincial legislature in Limpopo from 1994 and joined the national Parliament in 1999 until April 2009. His contribution in building the democratic South Africa will always be missed. The UCDP says: "Lalang ka ntho madi a tshologe." May his soul rest in peace. Thank you.
Mr N L DIALE
Ms M N MATLADI
Sepedi:
Mna N L DIALE: Motlatša-Sepikara, Motlatša-Mopresidente, maloko ao a hlomphegago a Ntlo ye kgethwa ye, ke eme mo ke tlile go hloboša lapa la mogale wa bagale, e lego Morena Mahwidi John Phala, yo a re tlogetšego.
Morena Phala, bjalo ka ge go šetše go boletšwe mo, o tsenetše mokgatlo wa go lwela khutšo mengagweng ya bo50. Se ke therešo. Ke mo tsebile ka dinako tšeo ge re be re katana le mmušo wola wa maloba wa kgethollo. Re ile ra timelelana ka ge re be re šoma ka sephiri, gomme mmušo o be ntšhintše ka ga tšhwene o swara ebile o bolaya. Phala o ile a tsena bjangbotala le rena ra tsena bjangbotala, gomme ra timelelana. Ke ile ka kwa ka ga yena ge rena le ba bangwe gona ka mo –boTokyo Sexwale - re emetše thapo kua Tshwane Kgorongkgolo ya tsheko. Re be re seka gomme le yena a seka kua Kgorongkgolo ya tsheko ya Springs. Ba bangwe ba rena re ile ra phomelela gomme ra tšwa kgolegong. Eupša yena le ba bangwe ba ile ahlolwa - bjalo ka ge go šetše go boletšwe fa.
Mahwidi Phala o be a ikgafetše go lokolla naga ye le setšhaba sa yona bophelong bja gagwe. Mahwidi Phala e be e le motho yo a bego a rata gore Afrika-Borwa e be naga e tee ka fase ga mookamedi o tee. E be e le maikemišetšo a gagwe ao. O be a na le maitshwaro gomme a rata batho. Eupša ge a be a ka hwetša gore o sehwirihwiri gomme o lebelela morago mokgatlong le tseleng ya ntwa, o be a go tlogela. O be a re: "Ke tša gago tšeo, rena re tšwela pele. O tla šala o di bona, sehwirihwiri tena!". E be e le motho wa go bolela ka tsela ye. Ke ka fao ke mo tsebago ka gona.
Mahwidi Phala o rile go tšwa kgolegong kua Robben Island – bjalo ka ge go šetše go boletšwe – nna le Tonakgolo ya Maphelo, Ngaka Aaron Motswaledi, le ba bangwe re ile ra mo direla mokete wo mogolo lapeng la gagwe gomme ra mo amogela. Go tloga fao, Mahwidi o bile le rena gomme ra bopa mokgatlo wa ANC ka tlase ga maitshawaro a magolo le lerato la go tšwetša mokgatlo wo pele gore re lokolle naga ye. O ile a ba yo mongwe wa go bopa mokgatlo wo kua Limpopo nakong ya ge e sa le "Northern Transvaal". Gantši o be a tsebja ka la "the lion of the north". O be a šoma kudukudu mokgalabje Phala.
Go ile gwa fihla nako yeo e lego gore mokgatlo wo o a boya ka morago ga ditherišano. Morena Phala e bile leloko la Palamente, bjalo ka ge le šetše le tseba ka moka ga lena. O šomile kua Limpopo le mo Kapa go fihlela ge a robala.
Morena Phala e be e le motho yo a ratago batho kudukudu. Eupša ge e le mokgatlo wa gagwe wona, o be a o rata go feta dilo tše ka moka. Bjalo ka ge mokgalabje a robetše ka la30 Julae, re mo phuthile monyanyeng wa go keteka bophelo bja gagwe. Le a tseba gore ge motho šetše a na le mengwaga ye 85, ga e sa le dillo, ke keteko ya bophelo bja gagwe ka gore ge motho a tlile lefaseng, ka nako ye nngwe ke tshwanelo gore a fete. O tlogela mediro ye megolo go rena re lego Ntlong ye, setšhaba le bana ba gagwe gore re tšwele pele go aga naga ye ya Afrika-Borwa ka fase ga Mopresidente o tee le naga e tee bjalo ka ge a re tlogeletše wona mantšua a. Ge re be re le kua moketeng wa gagwe, re be re na le motlatša mookamedi, e lego Kgalema Motlanthe. Ke yo. O be a le gona.
Re mo phuthile semmušo. Ka mantšu a mangwe o humane poloko ya semmušo. Bjalo re rata gore – pele ga bana ba gagwe le lena ka moka –a robale ka khutšo mogale wa bagale. Rena bao re šetšego mo, re swanetše go tšea tlhabano ya gagwe gomme re tšwele pele go bopa naga ye, re tlogele mabarebare. Naga ye e nyaka mašole a go tia a go swana le Morena Phala. Re swanetše go kgokagana re age naga. O re tlogeletše yona taba ye. Re swanetše go e swara ka matsogo a mabedi gomme re tšwele pele. Go se ke gwa ba le bohwirihwiri. O be a sa rate bohwirihwiri, Phala. O be a sa rate go lebelela morago, eupša a rata go lebela pele.
Re re go bana ba gagwe le lena ka moka, a robale ka khutšo. Ke a leboga. [Magoswi.]
Ms B N DLULANE
Mr N L DIALE
WOMEN'S DAY CELEBRATIONS
(Member's Statement)
Ms B N DLULANE (ANC): Deputy Speaker, 9 August this year marked the fifty-third anniversary of the heroic march by 20 000 women to the Union Buildings in 1956. This year's commemoration was inspired by the theme: Working together to empower women for development and gender equality. The Ministry of Women, Youth, Children and People with Disabilities was launched by President Zuma in Vryheid. President Zuma further committed the government he leads to working tirelessly for women's emancipation.
On this day, South Africans remembered the sacrifice, the commitment, the dedication and the unity in action of women of the 1950s who demonstrated that women are strong, powerful, special and valuable. The commemoration of this day continues to remind us of women's resilience and their amazing struggle spirit. It also reminds us of the high price that was exacted from those who went before us in order to create the environment we live and work in today.
However, despite our achievements, women continue to face challenges, particularly women workers and those who reside in rural areas. Amongst their challenges are the following. The first challenge is the feminisation of poverty, underdevelopment and unemployment. Much has been achieved, but women continue to bear the brunt of poverty and deprivation.
Secondly, the objectification of women in society, especially in and by the media in particular, continues to be a major challenge. There is also the casualisation of women workers, where business relegates women to casual work and renders them vulnerable to retrenchments, outsourcing and casualisation. Now, with the current global financial crisis, women are relegated to the entry level of the economy and in the main do not own the means of production. Thank you. [Time expired.]
Mr D J MAYNIER
Ms B N DLULANE
SA'S ARMS TRADE IN CONFLICT WITH FOREIGN POLICY ON HUMAN RIGHTS
(Members' Statement)
Mr D J MAYNIER (DA): Deputy Speaker, when former President Nelson Mandela announced that human rights would be the light that guides our foreign affairs, we made a clear break with our foreign policy past. To give effect to the principle that human rights should be the foundation of our foreign policy, we passed a law regulating the sale of conventional arms.
In the preamble to that law, we say that our country is a responsible member of the international community and will not trade in conventional arms with states engaged in repression, aggression and terrorism. And yet it now emerges that we are dealing with some of the most repressive regimes in the world.
We sold conventional arms to Libya, Syria and Venezuela. We are attempting to sell conventional arms to Syria and Zimbabwe. We also demonstrated military support equipment in North Korea. In the end we did this, not because there is a crisis in our conventional arms control regime - and there is a crisis - but because this government has never found a dictator it doesn't like. That is why we need an urgent debate on the crisis in the National Conventional Arms Control Committee and its implications for South Africa. Thank you. [Applause.]
Mr P D DEXTER
Mr D J MAYNIER
PAYMENT TO FORMER SABC CEO
(Member's Statement)
Mr P D DEXTER (Cope): Deputy Speaker, the recent payout of R14 million to the former Chief Executive of the SABC, Mr Mpofu, is nothing short of a scandal. During his tenure, when he led the SABC for a number of years, the SABC was beset by problems and was always in the news itself, mostly for controversial reasons.
In recent times it has become clear that what was once an institution that generated revenue has become a bottomless pit into which the taxpayer's money is routinely thrown away.
Given the allegations of mismanagement and wasteful expenditure during his term, this payment should be stopped until all these matters have been thoroughly investigated. Cope notes the irony of Cosatu congratulating Mr Mpofu on his payout. It is interesting to see that the trade union federation has now become one that represents the interests of management. Cope hopes that Cosatu will explain to workers at the SABC that this R14 million will probably come out of their next meagre salary increase. Thank you. [Applause.]
Dr M S MOTSHEKGA
Mr P D DEXTER
PRESIDENT'S ADDRESS TO NATIONAL PRESIDENTIAL RELIGIOUS SUMMIT
(Member's Statement)
Dr M S MOTSHEKGA: Hon Deputy Speaker, when President Jacob Zuma addressed the National Presidential Religious Summit on 27 November 2008, he called on faith communities to structure themselves in all provinces so as to be inclusive and service-oriented partners with government.
He has openly embraced faith communities and proceeded to invite them to join hands with government in its sense of urgency in tackling service delivery issues that have been prioritised. After a long process of consultation, religious leaders and workers from all provinces met at the O R Tambo International Airport on 27 July 2009 where they adopted a motion for the foundation of the National Interfaith Leaders Council. This council met again on 10 August 2009 to prepare for a meeting with the President.
We wish to applaud you in absentia, Mr President, on your efforts to reach out to all sectors of our society which has been reaffirmed at your recent meeting with this council at the Union Buildings on 11 August 2009. In this meeting the President endorsed the formation of the council and was very pleased with the appropriation of the interfaith concept as it denotes inclusivity and co-operation amongst the people of faith. Religious leaders also agreed to continue to mobilise all the faith-based groups and communities to join this council at all levels.
Deputy Speaker, we welcome this faith council and hope that it will help with the moral regeneration movement programmes. Thank you. [Applause.]
Mr A M MPONTSHANE
Dr M S MOTSHEKGA
BY-ELECTION RESULTS SHOW IFP STILL A STRONG POLITICAL FORCE
(Member Statement)
Mr A M MPONTSHANE: Madam Deputy Speaker, the by-elections are an important part of our electoral process and a good indicator of the support which the political parties have.
Over the past few years, particularly after the recent general elections, there have been many prophets of doom and critics whom have continued to write off the IFP as a spent political force and attempted to consign us to an early grave. The reality of the situation is that the IFP continues to defy these pessimists and maintains a strong support-base amongst the electorate. The recent by-elections in KwaZulu Natal bear testimony to this fact.
The IFP is proud recently to have won four by-elections out of five across KwaZulu Natal; namely, Umvothi Ward 9, Indaka Ward 6, Okhahlamba Ward 1, and Nquthu Ward 5, despite expectations by many that we would fail. These results should serve as a timely reminder that the IFP should not be underestimated and is still a political force to be reckoned with. [Laughter.] I thank you. [Applause.]
Mr J J MC GLUWA
Mr A M MPONTSHANE
CONDEMNATION OF BEHAVIOUR OF SOCCER FANS AT CAPE TOWN MATCH
(Member Statement)
Mr J J MC GLUWA: Hon Speaker and the hon Deputy Speaker, the ID strongly condemns the disgusting behaviour of some of the fans at this weekend's soccer match in Cape Town between Kaizer Chiefs and Ajax. Hooligans, who were unhappy with the decision of the referee, began hurling bottles and vuvuzelas onto the pitch. They ripped out more than 500 seats and threw them at the referee.
We cannot condone such disgusting behaviour by some South African fans in a country that is only 296 days away from showcasing our ability to host an internationally acclaimed event, the 2010 World Cup. We are concerned that only two unruly fans were arrested by the police as this brings into question our ability to prevent similar occurrences in the future.
This unruly behaviour is becoming a national trend and we call on Safa to take strong actions against both the clubs and fans involved in this disgusting behaviour. I thank you. [Applause.]
Ms N M MADLALA
Mr J J MC GLUWA
SOUND EDUCATION SYSTEM ESSENTIAL FOR SA ECONOMY AND SOCIETY
(Member's Statement)
Ms N M MADLALA: Thank you Deputy Speaker. The ANC-led government is of the firm view that education is a means of promoting good citizenship, as well as preparing our people for the needs of a modern economy and democratic society.
In our elections manifesto, the ANC committed itself to, amongst other things, working together with educators, learners, parents, school governing bodies and other stakeholders to make education the priority of all; introducing a sustainable early childhood education system that spends both public and private sectors, and gives children a head‑start in numeracy and literacy; promoting the status of teachers, ensuring the employment of adequate numbers, and improving their remuneration and training as an important part of our drive to ensure that quality teaching becomes the norm rather that the exception.
Together with trade unions, we need to ensure that teachers are at school, in class, on time and teaching and that there is no abuse of learners and no neglect of duty. Lastly, we need to embark on the reopening of teacher training colleges, where appropriate.
The meeting with the principals on 7 August this year was attended by 1 500 school principals from throughout the country. This was a fulfilment of the promise made by the President. Thank you Deputy Speaker. [Time expired.] [Applause.]
Mr J R B LORIMER
Ms N M MADLALA
CALL FOR INVESTIGATION INTO SA ARMS DEAL WITH LIBYA
(Member's Statement)
Mr J R B LORIMER: A preamble to the law that regulates the sales of conventional arms states that our country is a responsible member of the international community and will not trade in conventional arms with states engaged in a repression, aggression and terrorism. But now it emerges that we've been selling glide bombs to Libya, Mr President, which could be used to deliver nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. We've also been selling multiple grenade launchers to Libya.
Human Rights Watch, HRW, says that Libya has no free press and no independent organisations. Libyans continue to face arrest and torture for expressing peaceful criticism of the government and its undisputed leader. The HRW continues to note that in Libya, rape victims risk prosecution for adultery or fornication if they attempt to press charges.
We call on the Minister to urgently investigate this arms deal that has been authorised by the National Conventional Arms Control Committee, NCACC, and to stop the export of weapons if they have not already been delivered. [Applause.]
The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Can I note, perhaps for the purposes of the next DA speaker, that the topic that has been raised by two DA speakers is equal to anticipation; it's in the Order Paper and in the Question Paper. I'm sure you know that you are not supposed to be discussing that particular question. Can I call on the UCDP.
Mr M J ELLIS: Madam Deputy Speaker, can I address you on your ruling?
The DEPUTY SPEAKER: A comment and not a ruling!
Mr M J ELLIS: I need to say that this is a matter of great importance. We are not aware of any particular Rule that says because a question is in the Order Paper, we are then breaking the Rule of anticipation if we raise it. We were expecting that we would be able to make further statements on this particular matter this afternoon.
The DEPUTY SPEAKER: It is, in fact, in the rules that no member shall anticipate the discussion of a matter appearing in the Order Paper, and you know very well that this matter appears on the Order Paper. However, I don't think this should be the point of discussion. I was pointing out that two members, instead of bringing views in broad statements, were talking about the same item which is a question and also in the Order Paper.
Mr M J ELLIS: Madam Deputy Speaker, I am not aware of the fact that it is in the Order Paper; it certainly is in the Question Paper. In actual fact, we have proposed a motion this afternoon, but it is not yet in the Order Paper.
The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Mr Ellis, the Question Paper is part of the Order Paper. You know that. Can we move to UCDP.
Ms M N MATLADI
Mr J R B LORIMER
PLIGHT OF WOMEN IN SA 53 YEARS AFTER WOMEN'S MARCH
(Member's Statement)
Ms M N MATLADI: Thank you Deputy Speaker. August 9, 2009 was the 53rd anniversary of the Women's March. This was the day when 20 000 women from all corners of South Africa staged a march on the offices of the then Prime Minister J G Strijdom, who was unable to receive them in the Union Buildings.
Those courageous women left numerous petitions containing over 100 000 signatureS on the door of the Prime Minister's office. The message to the Prime Minister was that the women of South Africa would not rest until they had restored for their children their fundamental rights and freedom, justice and security.
Today, as we celebrate this women's month, they continue to face challenges in their lives. They face challenges of poverty, abuse and illiteracy. They are still victims of discrimination, oppression and suppression. Studies reveal that one in every four South African women is assaulted by her boyfriend or husband every week. One in every five women is battered by her partner.
The average woman stays in an abusive relationship for ten-and-a-half years before leaving. One in three women in South Africa will be raped. Only one out of every 25 women who are raped report it to the police. In 1993, 27 056 rapes were reported; only 8 988 were prosecuted. Thank you. [Time expired.]
Mr T W NXESI
Ms M N MATLADI
PARTICIPATION OF SA IN MADAGASCAR THE PEACE PROCESS
(Member's Statement)
Mr T W NXESI (ANC): Deputy Speaker, in line with our objective of bringing about a humane, peaceful and equitable continent in the world order, the Cabinet approved South Africa's participation in the facilitation of the peace process in Madagascar last week. South Africa will be represented by Mr Charles Nqakula in the facilitation process. This comes after the leaders agreed on Sunday, 9 August 2009, on a 31-member unity government in a power-sharing deal that will cede control of the exotic Indian Ocean Island to an interim government with elections to be held in 2010.
Under international mediators, four previous Malagasy heads of state agreed in Maputo on the formation of a transitional government to organise presidential elections by the end of 2010. The agreement made in Maputo has been welcomed and is widely considered as a milestone in the return to peace and stability that the population has been deprived of.
The ANC will continue to work with the entire continent and the rest of the world to ensure that peace and stability prevail. It will continue to seek a path of hope and human solidarity to pursue the resolution of conflict through dialogue and peacefulmeans, and to promote mutual friendships among the people of the world. As this Parliament, we look forward to working with the elected representatives of the Malagasy people. Thank you.
Mr M J ELLIS (DA): Deputy Speaker, in terms of your ruling, we will not make another statement this afternoon.
Mr N J J VAN R KOORNHOF
Mr T W NXESI
IMPACT OF POSSIBLE CHOLERA OUTBREAK ON SOCCER WORLD CUP
(Member's Statement)
Mr N J J Van R KOORNHOF (Cope): Madam Deputy Speaker, as South Africa is preparing for the Soccer World Cup that will take place next year, it is of utmost importance that we are prepared at all levels.
Last summer season, we experienced a serious outbreak of cholera in this country. It is now the time to prepare and make sure that we do not have the same intensive outbreak this coming season. Therefore, we urge the necessary departments timeously to engage with our neighbouring countries in time to make sure that they are taking the necessary precautions to prevent another outbreak.
It is also important that the Department of Water and Environmental Affairs starts preparing for the testing of all rivers flowing into the Kruger National Park to make sure that these rivers remain cholera-free. Any negligence and poor planning will create an opportunity for visiting journalists to send bad-news stories from South Africa that will harm South Africa's image as a sport tourist destination weeks before the kick-off of the Soccer World Cup. [Applause.]
Mr H T MAGAMA (ANC)
Mr N J J Van R KOORNHOF (Cope)
THE IMPACT OF POVERTY, INEQUALITY AND JOBLESSNESS ON RURAL SOUTH AFRICA
(Member's Statement)
Mr H T MAGAMA (ANC): Madam Deputy Speaker, poverty, inequality and joblessness are the consequences of centuries of underdevelopment and exploitation consciously perpetrated on the majority of the population ... [Interjections.]
The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! Can you hear?
Mr H T MAGAMA (ANC): I should get a loudhailer, Madam Deputy Speaker!
Poverty, inequality and joblessness are the consequences of centuries of underdevelopment and exploitation consciously perpetrated against the majority of the population, which had a most destructive and enduring impact on rural South Africa. Recognising this challenge, President Jacob Zuma was in the dusty Muyexe village in Limpopo this week, to launch a programme aimed at radically transforming rural areas.
The programme is aimed at achieving social cohesion and development in the rural parts of our country. Muyexe is one of the poorest villages in our country. It has no basic services like water, electricity, roads and there is no housing development. For many villagers such as 52-year-old Dick Magezi Mabasa, small-scale livestock farming is the only means of survival.
The initiative is based on three key pillars: co-ordinated and integrated broad-based agrarian transformation; an improved land reform programme; and the strategic ... [Interjections.] [Time expired.]
Mr R N CEBEKHULU
Mr H T MAGAMA
BORDER CONTROL NECESSARY TO STEM RHINO POACHING IN RESERVES
(Member's Statement)
Mr R N CEBEKHULU (IFP): Deputy Speaker, hon members, it is with great disappointment that I note that parts of our protected areas continue to suffer big losses to poachers. There have also been disturbing newspaper reports of poachers having killed a sizeable number of rhinos in these protected areas. These areas include the Kruger National Park, the Thula Thula Game Reserve, the Zulu Nyala Game Lodge, including Ezemvelo Kwa-Zulu Natal Wildlife.
These animals are a source of great pride to South Africa. This country has assisted in nature conservation to protect wildlife and started distributing rhinoS, with the assistance of the World Wildlife Fund, WWF, to other parts of Africa and within South African provinces. Therefore, our government should be trying hard to guard our borders and harbours to ensure that the culprits responsible for mowing down these animals purely for their horns, are caught and brought to book.
A concerted and integrated effort is needed from many departments and stakeholders if real inroads are to be made in protecting our wildlife and stopping poachers from selling their ill-gotten gains. If the legislation that we have in place is inadequate to deal with this scourge, then we must strengthen it and ensure that the organisations tasked with protecting our wildlife and other natural resources have the resources that they need to perform their duties effectively, including funds and skilled staff. I thank you.
Mr B H HOLOMISA
Mr R N CEBEKHULU
100 DAYS IN OFFICE OF PREMIER ZILLE AND PRESIDENT ZUMA
(Member's Statement)
Mr B H HOLOMISA (UDM): Deputy Speaker and hon members, 100 days have elapsed since the election of the new national and provincial executive. The UDM congratulates both President Zuma and Premier Zille on their first 100 days in office. We will not judge them too harshly now, because we know that we can't solve this country's problems in 100 days. However, now is the time to get down to work.
Already we have seen that the issue of ethnicity, gender and racial representation in executive appointments has reared its ugly head. We would have thought that by now leaders would be able to manage these issues. The appointment of Cabinet members and senior public servants should not become such an endless battleground that it undermines nation-building.
Perhaps we require a system of parliamentary vetting of senior appointments similar to that applied in the US, with senate confirmation hearings, in order to ensure that we appoint the best and most appropriate candidates.
IsiXhosa:
Loo nkqubo iya kuphelisa le ngxolo ikhoyo kwiqela elilawulayo, apho bakhala ngoMsholozi besithi abantu abamnyama banikwe izithuba ezingabafanelanga. Abanye bade bamtyhole bathi ngokubhekiselele ekutyumbeni iinkokheli kwicandelo lezokhuseleko nokonyulwa kweJaji eyiNtloko, uthe:
IsiZulu:
"Cha, ngeyasekhaya ke le."
IsiXhosa:
"Bangabona ukuba mabathini na kwezinye iindawo." Enkosi. [Kwaqhwatywa.]
THE MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY
Mr B H HOLOMISA
PAYMENT TO FORMER SABC CEO
BEHAVIOUR OF soccer fans AT CAPE TOWN MATCH
(Minister's Response)
The MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY - National Planning Commission: Deputy Speaker, I would like briefly to respond to two statements: the first one made by the hon sinister Dexter, who has left the House. [Laughter.]
I think that we will be broadly in agreement, safe to say, that the agreements between the former Chief Executive of the SABC and the board are contractual; there may have been bad contracts but they are contractual.
The board has exercised a choice between costly and protracted litigation and early resolution, and early resolutions are always costly. And I think that, in recognising how difficult these issues are when the contracts are poorly structured, we also recognise what the cost would be in the case of protracted litigation. So in that context it is very important that members of this House accept the circumstance.
With regards to the hon member from the ID, I think we would all agree that the behaviour of the fans at Newlands Stadium on Saturday was quite unacceptable, not only because 2010 is looming, it is generally unacceptable. I think by the same token we should also take a view on the behaviour of spectators and sometimes on-field incidents in amateur rugby in this country.
I think part of the joint responsibility that we must take is to build strong communities that are far more tolerant of what happens on the field; and ensuring that there is an intolerance of bad behaviour in respect of spectators. I think that that is not a party-political issue or an executive responsibility, it is something that all of us, as elected representatives of our people, should take on. Thank you.
The MINISTER OF HIGHER EDUCATION AND TRAINING:
The MINISTER IN THE PRESIDENCY - National Planning Commission:
SOUND education SYSTEM NECESSARY TO MEET ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL NEEDS
(Minister's Response)
The MINISTER OF HIGHER EDUCATION AND TRAINING: Deputy Speaker, I welcome the statement from the hon member Maggie Madlala on government's commitment to prioritising education. I wish to tell this House that earlier, immediately after the elections, there was a national teacher education summit that was very successful. It reached all the teacher's representatives and their unions and they committed themselves to the nonnegotiables of being in class on time and teaching.
We recently saw the first-ever gathering of school principals addressed by the President of the Republic, during which the school principals committed themselves to making sure that our schools are functional. I also wish to say that the President will soon be meeting with the Vice Chancellors of all the universities as well as all the rectors of the Further Education and Training Colleges.
I also want to say that, in relation to other matters on our educators, we are currently exploring modalities for enhancing teacher development, including the possibility of opening teacher training colleges.
Yesterday Sadtu, representing about 70% of the teachers, signed the Occupation Specific Dispensation agreement. [Applause.] All these developments show that despite those who are cynical and have no responsibility for governing the country, all stakeholders are responding positively to government's initiative to make education a priority.
Allow me to conclude, Deputy Speaker, by saying that I hope the hon Mpontshane will tell us, at some stage at the next available opportunity: If the IFP is so stable, what was the IFP youth doing or symbolising by their march yesterday in Durban? Siyabonga.
The MINISTER OF RURAL DEVELOPMENT AND LAND REFORM:
The MINISTER OF HIGHER EDUCATION AND TRAINING:
IMPACT OF POVERTY, JOBLESSNESS AND INEQUALITY ON RURAL SA
(Minister's Response)
The MINISTER OF RURAL DEVELOPMENT AND LAND REFORM: Deputy Speaker, I wish to first thank the hon members of this House who yesterday attended the launch of the Comprehensive Rural Development Programme at Muyexe Village in Limpopo presided over by the President. We appreciate their presence there.
Indeed, the programme has kicked off and it did so in a very good atmosphere. Members of the community appreciate the contribution that the government is making to improve their lives. We want to emphasise to this House that the issues that have been raised here are real. It is true that there is no water there and that even the underground water is of bad quality. We are at the moment working very hard to solve that problem.
The district municipality has already put forward R5 million. We have engineers working very hard in trying to identify a site where we could build a reservoir so that we could harvest water to be purified there. We are working on road construction and we have a model that is based on households where we will employ, as the President was saying yesterday, members of the community to construct those roads.
We are dealing with these matters and I hope that in due course we will again invite hon members to come, inspect and see how we are proceeding there. Thank you.
The MINISTER of SCIENCE and Technology
The MINISTER OF RURAL DEVELOPMENT AND LAND REFORM
SA'S ARMS TRADE IN CONFLICT WITH FOREING POLICY ON HUMAN RIGHTS
IMPACT OF POSSIBLE CHOLERA OUTBREAK ON SOCCER WORLD CUP
100 DAYS IN OFFICE OF PREMIER ZILLE AND PRESIDENT JACOB ZUMA
(Minister's Responses)
The MINISTER OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY: Deputy Speaker, with regard to the first matter that I wish to respond to, you have assisted me by referring to Rule 68 of the National Assembly Rules which the hon Ellis is fully aware of.
The fiction that is being propounded with respect to these comments about the National Conventional Arms Control Committee, NCACC, will be dealt with in the portfolio committee and through the regular parliamentary process. But I do assert that it is fiction.
Could I then move on to deal with the matter ... [Interjections.]
Mr M J ELLIS: Yes. Madam Deputy Speaker, on a point of order: You have ruled today on the Rule of anticipation. The hon Minister is addressing the issue. Whether she pretends she is not addressing the issue or whether she is in fact addressing it is not quite clear. But, nevertheless, I would suggest that she herself is in breach of the Rule of anticipation that you have ruled on this afternoon.
The MINISTER OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY: Yes, the hon Ellis is made uncomfortable by his inability to have advised his members properly as a Whip.
I would then like to agree with the hon member from Cope who indicated a need to prepare for addressing any outbreaks of serious diseases that may occur in particular seasons. I say to the hon member and all members that I think all of us should assist communities with an information campaign during our constituency periods because such an alert is not just the work of government, but also the responsibility of all public representatives.
There is information available that members of Parliament could use to assist communities to ready themselves to meet these challenges.
Finally, the hon Holomisa began rather well, but I think he lost it along the way. I am not sure why he conjoins the hon President with the Premier of the Western Cape in his congratulations. I couldn't quite understand that link. It might be evidence that we are seeing that he may be speaking of his future leader and really trying to disguise this by way of this statement. [Applause.]
Could we say that we believe the President has made appropriate appointments? I believe that it is most unfortunate to refer to the President as having made a practice of ethnicity in appointments. I think it is a pejorative reference which is totally unnecessary. May I also say that if we were to move to the vetting that has been proposed by the hon Holomisa, we mustn't just extract that which we want from the American system.
We would have to take the entire system, which would include the following: members of the executive would not be appointed from elected public representatives and would be nonserving members; the President would have veto powers; and so on and so forth. So I think we should have an appreciation of the strength of our democracy and ensure, as public representatives, that we make it work. Our President has appointed, appropriately, persons who are competent to the task that must be undertaken. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. [Applause.]
The MINISTER OF STATE SECURITY
The MINISTER OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY
BY-ELECTIONS SHOW IFP STILL A STRONG POLITICAL FORCE
(Minister's Response)
The MINISTER OF STATE SECURITY: Madam Deputy Speaker, I just want to respond to hon Mpontshane's statement. I agree with the hon Mpontshane that free, fair and peaceful by-elections are an essential part of our democracy. They are a good indicator of the electoral support of any political party in a democracy.
Indeed, it would be wrong to write the IFP out of our political landscape while it managed to retain four out of five of its former wards in KwaZulu-Natal. However, Mr Mpontshane left out two of the most glaring facts with regards to these elections. The first one is that the IFP, while it has won some of the elections, it has shown a considerable decline in both actual percentages and numbers in those wards.
Yet the other party, the ANC, has made considerable strides in all those wards in terms of the actual numbers and percentages of people voting for the ANC. In fact, in addition, the ANC has taken one of the wards in Mnambithi from the IFP.
The second glaring fact is that the IFP must stop this cheap political point-scoring. Indeed, time has come for the IFP to get into serious discussions with the ANC if we want to stabilise South Africa in KwaZulu-Natal. Thank you. [Applause.]
The House adjourned at 15:35.
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