Hansard: New Members of Parliament : Nomination of K Motlanthe and NC Mfeketho / Members Statements

House: National Assembly

Date of Meeting: 20 May 2008

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UNREVISED HANSARD

NATIONAL ASSEMBLY

Tuesday, 20 May 2008

START OF DAY

TUESDAY, 20 MAY 2008

PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY

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The House met at 14:03.

The Speaker took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayers or meditation.

NEW MEMBERS

(Announcement)

The Speaker announced that the vacancies which occurred in the National Assembly owing to the passing away of Ms Z N Nawa and the resignation from the National Assembly of Prof A K Asmal, had been filled with effect from 6 May 2008 by the nomination of Mr K P Motlanthe and Ms N C Mfeketho, respectively.

SOLEMN AFFIRMATION AND OATH

Mr K P Motlanthe and Ms N C Mfeketho, accompanied by Mrs L Maloney and Mr S K Louw, made and subscribed the solemn affirmation and oath, respectively, and took their seats.

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND WELCOMING OF DEPUTY SPEAKER OF ETHIOPIA

 

The SPEAKER: Hon members, I would like to take this opportunity to acknowledge the presence in the gallery of the Deputy Speaker of the House of Peoples' Representatives of Ethiopia, Ms Shitaye Minale, and her delegation. [Applause.] Welcome.

NOTICE OF MOTION

END OF TAKE

The SPEAKER

NOTICE OF MOTION

Mr E W TRENT: Madam Speaker, on the next sitting day of the House, I shall move:

That the House –

(1) debates the failure of government departments to take action

against officials guilty of financial misconduct; and

(2) considers possible actionable steps that can be taken against

offending departments in the future.

[Applause.]

MOTION WITHOUT NOTICE

END OF TAKE

Mr E W TRENT

OSCAR PISTORIUS CONGRATULATED ON WINNING APPEAL TO COMPETE IN BEIJING OLYMPICS

(Draft Resolution)

The CHIEF WHIP OF MAJORITY PARTY: Madam Speaker, I move without notice:

That the House –

(1) notes that on Friday, 16 May 2008, double amputee sprinter Oscar Pistorius won his appeal to compete in the Beijing Olympics that will take place from 8 to 24 August this year;

(2) further notes that the Court of Arbitration for Sport ruled that the 21-year-old South African is eligible to race against able-bodied athletes;

(3) believes that the ruling of the Court is a step forward for sport for people living with disability not only in South Africa but globally and that it takes disabled sport closer to the world of able-bodied sport, a world that has been closed off to people living with disability; and

(4) congratulates Oscar Pistorius on winning the right to compete with able-bodied athletes in the Beijing Olympics.

[Applause.]

Agreed to.

Mr M J ELLIS

END OF TAKE

The CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY

CONGRATULATIONS TO PRIMARY SCHOOL IN BONTEHEUWEL ON BECOMING drug-free

(Member's Statement)

Mr M J ELLIS (DA): Madam Speaker, I move without notice:

That the House –

(1) notes that the Rosewood Primary in Bonteheuwel, classified as one of the province's 109 high-risk schools, is no longer an attractive target for vandals or gangs and is also drug-free;

(2) further notes that this school has been turned into a hub of the community where church services are held each evening;

(3) recognises the vital roles principal Roderick Williams has played in making the school secure, despite no funds being available to make large security changes;

(4) acknowledges the difference that dedicated and passionate principals can make by involving educators and the surrounding communities at schools experiencing challenges; and

(5) therefore congratulates principal Williams, the educators and learners at the Rosewood Primary School and the surrounding community on making the primary school a safe place of learning

Thank you. [Applause.]

The SPEAKER: Are there any objections?

The DEPUTY CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: Madam Speaker, this is not an objection against the content, but I think it was conveyed to the DA that whilst we associate ourselves with the sentiments expressed in that motion, we would regard it as more appropriate as a member's statement. I'm informed that that was conveyed to the DA.

Mr M J ELLIS: Madam Speaker, it certainly was not conveyed either to the Chief Whip of the DA or to me as the Deputy Chief Whip. I will check up on that.

The SPEAKER: Please do. I think you must sort it out. I don't think this is a major issue that need occupy us for long.

Mr M J ELLIS: Thank you.

MEMBERS' STATEMENTS - Ms N P KHUNOU

END OF TAKE

Mr M J ELLIS

VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN AND CHILDREN

(Member's Statement)

Ms N P KHUNOU (ANC): Madam Speaker, on 5 May 2008, René Burger, a 20-year-old medical student, was abducted at Tygerberg Hospital campus and later raped by her kidnappers. For some time it was speculated that the victim was the sister of one of our much-celebrated rugby heroes. Indeed, it was so.

However, René Burger would not allow speculation to assume a life of its own. To this end, she bravely and audaciously broke the silence about her ordeal. It turned out that she too had become one of the latest targets of sexual violence.

Instead of licking her wounds and withdrawing into a cocoon of victimhood, she defied the wish and will of her tormentors. She identified herself positively and bore the indomitable spirit of a South African who will not be cowed into submission by any act of violence by criminals, nor be intimidated by those who think their deeds of darkness rule the world. Your words of courage and bravery soothed all the wounded hearts of those who are on the receiving end of sexual violence. You said that you stop being a victim when you choose not to allow something like this to destroy your dignity and self-worth, your trust in others, hope for the future and commitment to the country you love.

You spoke out against those who have perpetrated gender violence against women and girl-children in the whole country. We urge government to do all it can to drastically reduce the incidents of contact crime by providing proper resources and training to the police.

We also call on all communities to assist the police in bringing to book all those who are guilty of these crimes so that we can truly launch our nation on a path towards the creation of the national democratic society we yearn for, that is based on respect for human life ... [Time expired.] [Applause.]

The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION

END OF TAKE

Ms N P KHUNOU

ATTACKS ON FOREIGN NATIONALS

(Member's Statement)

The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Madam Speaker, the DA is deeply concerned about the vast humanitarian crisis that is developing across Gauteng as a result of violent attacks on foreign nationals. Thus far 22 people have been killed while hundreds more have been injured and thousands displaced. We extend our deepest sympathies to those who are affected by this tragedy. In order to prevent the situation from deteriorating any further, it is clear that the time has come to pursue a targeted intervention comprising strategies both to contain the violence itself and to relieve the suffering of those who are displayed by the attacks.

The current ad hoc approach to deal with displaced foreign nationals in Gauteng is clearly not working. Hundreds of people are gathering at police stations or other public facilities that are simply not equipped to cope with even their most basic needs. What is therefore required is the establishment of the refugee camps in the worst affected areas so that people can be given access to food, shelter and medical care where required. This would also enable aid agencies to render assistance to migrants in a relatively safe and regulated environment and help us to cope with the strain placed on our already stretched resources.

The Minister of Home Affairs also needs to fully acknowledge both the causes and the extent of the crisis. Government's attempts to formulate an adequate response and workable solutions to this stalemate hinge upon a full acknowledgement by the Minister that this is indeed an emergency rather than the workings of a so-called third force or a ragtag of unspecified criminal elements. I thank you. [Applause.]

Mr V B NDLOVU

Mr I O DAVIDSON

ATTACKS ON FOREIGN NATIONALS

(Member's Statement)

Mr V B NDLOVU: Madam Speaker, following the high-level discussions between the ANC and the IFP in Gauteng yesterday, both parties agreed that the xenophobic violence that is currently sweeping through the province is probably driven by criminal elements and not just xenophobia. We want to make it clear that the leadership of both parties at the meeting called on our supporters to resist from engaging in any acts of violence.

We have warned our members that should they be found to be involved in any violation of human rights or any perpetration of xenophobia or violence against foreigners, the IFP will take stringent disciplinary steps against them. We also call for the full might of the law to take its course without fear or favour. At the meeting we also urged the leadership of both parties, down to the lowest branch, to address their supporters as a matter of urgency so that we can use both parties to play a leading role in stopping these senseless killings and violence.

Furthermore, the IFP would like to urge the NGOs and local government to assist those who have been affected by the violence by providing humanitarian assistance to the displaced. We call on the SAPS from its top leadership down to the level of constable, to do everything in its power to protect the lives of these innocent victims. We also urge the police to use intelligence to get the root cause of the problem. We must stop the violence and the perpetrators must be brought to book as soon as possible. I thank you. [Applause.]

Mr R P Z VAN DEN HEEVER

END OF TAKE

Mr V B NDLOVU

 

 

 

ZILLE'S ATTACK ON JUDGE ERASMUS

(Member's Statement)

Mr R P Z VAN DEN HEEVER (ANC): Madam Speaker, the barrage of personal attacks by Mrs Helen Zille on the integrity of Judge Nathan Erasmus is not only unworthy of a mayor and leader of the DA, but constitutes a direct assault on the integrity of the judiciary and strengthens the suspicion that the Mayor and the DA leader may indeed have something to hide.

The Erasmus Commission was established to inquire into allegations that procurement regulations may have been transgressed. This is based on a transcript which indicates that the Speaker of the City of Cape Town may have condoned illegal surveillance and intelligence activities, and possible contact by the Mayor and the DA leader herself with the alleged operatives of George Fivaz and Associates. Such operations may have been used in the George Municipality as well as internally in the DA.

We therefore call on the DA and the City Mayor Helen Zille to let the Erasmus Commission continue its work unhindered and to present proof of their innocence to the Commission, if indeed they have nothing to hide.

Mayor Helen Zille seems to confuse her roles as Mayor of Cape Town and as the leader of the DA. She should desist from her unsavoury attacks on Judge Nathan Erasmus and rather use the Erasmus Commission as a platform to establish the truth. I thank you. [Applause.]

Mrs C DUDLEY

Mr R P Z VAN DEN HEEVER

PREMATURE BIRTHS CAUSED BY DRUG ABUSE

(Member's Statement)

Mrs C DUDLEY (ACDP): Madam Speaker, the ACDP calls on the Minister of Health urgently to initiate relevant research into tik and its effect on mothers and their babies.

A neonatalist at Tygerberg Hospital, Johan Smit, has said staff at the neonatal unit has seen a year-on-year rise for the last six years in premature births which could be related to the increased number of pregnant women using tik.

Babies exposed to tik have a higher risk of brain haemorrhage and, depending on the severity, it will impact on the long-term development of the child. A 2006 study at Tygerberg Hospital showed that out of 100 pregnant mothers surveyed, 10 admitted to using tik. Smith said tik also affects the development of a baby's gut and doctors had difficulty feeding premature babies via tubes to the stomach. Babies of tik-addicted mothers tend to be smaller and lighter than similar premature babies.

Lucy Linley, head of the neonatal unit at the Mowbray Maternity Hospital, has referred to a massive problem of denial among pregnant women admitted to the hospital who displayed clear signs of abusing tik. Linley said there had been no decent study into the effects of tik abuse on newborn babies, although there was a general consensus on its harmful impact.

The ACDP believes that the Medical Research Council is best equipped to conduct the necessary research into tik, and its effect on both mother and child. According to Linley, there has been no decent study into these effects on newborn babies.

Bronwyn Myers, a senior MRC researcher, has also acknowledged the definite increase in the number of young pregnant women using tik, and has said there was also a strong correlation between drug abuse on the Cape Flats and increased risky sexual behaviour. People are less likely to use condoms, more likely to have multiple sex partners, and less likely to negotiate condom usage with their partners. Greg Gonsalves of the Aids and Rights Alliance for Southern Africa said tik, like most recreational drugs, increased risky behaviour amongst users, exacerbating HIV infection rates. Thank you. [Applause.]

Mr I E JENNER

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Mrs C DUDLEY

ATTACKS ON FOREIGNERS

(Member's Statement)

Mr I E JENNER (ID): Madam Speaker, yesterday morning South Africans awoke to a very gruesome and ugly picture on the front pages of our newspapers, of a man being burnt to death.

We must ask ourselves how it is that we have reduced our people to a level where they can set another human being on fire. The current wave of xenophobic attacks must make us take stock of the type of society that we are building for our children.

We need to ask ourselves some very serious questions about why some of us are not able to recognise the worth of another human being. What has happened to our society and the humanity that inspired our struggle against apartheid? We agree with the view expressed by the SA Human Rights Commission that the attacks are partly as a result of competition for scarce resources including houses, jobs and services.

The grinding poverty and accompanying frustration of our people has contributed to elements amongst us behaving in a most despicable manner. There are now thousands of people without food, clothing, blankets or shelter. Many of them are children, and they urgently need our help and support. Most of these children and women are now camping out at several police stations in Gauteng.

The ID calls on government, as a matter of urgency, to provide emergency humanitarian relief to all those women and children affected by this crisis. I thank you.

Mr A J NYAMBI

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Mr I E JENNER

DECLINE IN UNEMPLOYMENT IN MPUMALANGA

(Member's Statement)

Mr A J NYAMBI (ANC): Madam Speaker, last week the province of Mpumalanga held a two-day labour market summit in Graskop. The summit was aimed at finding better ways of creating employment in the province. It was attended by representatives from the provincial government, organised labour, business and civil society. The summit noted that over the last four years unemployment in Mpumalanga has declined by 5,1%. The summit further noted that the economy in the province has been growing by over 4% over the last three years.

The provincial government has set aside 70% of its provincial budget of R13 billion for developing human capital this year through the provision of education and health services. The ANC-led government will continue to engage all stakeholders in efforts aimed at eradicating poverty and creating sustainable employment in our country. We urge other provinces to emulate this shining example set by Mpumalanga. Thank you. [Applause.]

Mr B E PULE

END OF TAKE

Mr A J NYAMBI

XENOPHOBIC ATTACKS ON FOREIGNERS

(Member's Statement)

Mr B E PULE (UCDP): Madam Speaker, the leader of the UCDP, Kgosi L M Manyope, declared that he has no problem with a motswana man marrying a woman of any ethnic group, anywhere in the world. This statement is indicative of the fact that there is absolutely no room for xenophobia in the UCDP.

The UCDP, therefore, condemns the xenophobic behaviour displayed by our fellow South Africans. Whatever reasons are advanced by these people will be unacceptable to the UCDP as long as their actions are ungodly. We in the UCDP believe that people are made in the image of God and they must be treated humanely irrespective of their place of origin. The UCDP subscribes to the philosophy our leader always espouses, I quote:

Setswana:

Rata motho, tlotla motho, direla motho, rerisa motho, itshokele motho.

English:

We in the UCDP would therefore like to call upon all the people of goodwill to pray for the serenity of mind of those who who commit such atrocities, so that calm may prevail in our country. The UCDP calls upon law-abiding citizens to help the police to bring calm to the affected areas. We further call upon all political leaders in Zimbabwe to solve their problems amicably. Thank you.

Ms S V KALYAN

END OF TAKE

 

Mr B E PULE

 

ROLL-OUT OF PREVENTION OF MOTHER-TO-CHILD TRANSMISSION AND ARV ACCESS

(Member's Statement)

Ms S V KALYAN (DA): Madam Speaker, the National Strategic Plan of the Department of Health cites the use of ARVs in HIV treatment as official government policy. The department has approved a national Prevention of Mother to Child Transmission roll-out and the Polokwane conference adopted a resolution stating that access to ARVs must be expanded. Yet, despite all these affirmations the National Minister of Health and the KwaZulu-Natal MEC for Health hosted a workshop in Durban recently that condemned ARVs. The meeting was addressed by Dr Khanyile, who disputes the fact that HIV causes Aids and Mr Gwala, who promotes an expensive concoction called "Ubhejane", which he claims is a cure for Aids.

Information handed out at the workshop was authored by vitamin quack, Dr Raad, which claims that all ARVs are toxic. By flirting with Aids desidents and sharing public platforms with them, these Ministers are behaving irresponsibly in the following manner. Firstly, they are in conflict with their own government policies and secondly, they are sending out confusing messages, which state that the ARV drugs that the government uses in its programmes are poisonous and dangerous. It is rather ironic that tomorrow the Minister of Health will be hosting a candlelight memorial in Parliament and yet ...

The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, hon member! Your time has expired.

Ms S V KALYAN: ... she persists in sending out bizarre messages.

The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, your time has expired!

Ms S V KALYAN: The DA calls on President Mbeki to relieve these two Ministers of their duties with immediate effect, as they do not have the interests of the health of the nation at heart.

The DEPUTY SPEAKER: I want to appeal to the Chief Whips of all parties to assist us. When the time has expired, the time has expired.

Mrs M A A NJOBE

END OF TAKE

Ms S V KALYAN

PROVISION OF BETTER HEALTH CARE SERVICES

(Member's Statement)

Mrs M A A NJOBE (ANC): Madam Deputy Speaker, the ANC-led government has made significant progress in the delivery of health care. However, the high level of poverty afflicting some of our communities continues to expose them to a variety of social and infectious illnesses as characterised by the growing burden of diseases related to tuberculosis, HIV and Aids.

One hundred and seventy-eight new nurses from the North West government nursing colleges will be doing community service this year. The nurses will be deployed to various health facilities in the province. The North West government has recognised that in order to attain scarce skills in the government health sector, systems need to be developed and incentives have to be created to ensure the best possible working conditions.

The provision of health care services to all people remains at the core of the efforts to realise the goals of a better life for all. I thank you. [Applause.]

Prof S E CHANG

END OF TAKE

Mrs M A A NJOBE

CONDOLENCES TO THOSE AFFECTED BY EARTHQUAKE IN PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA

(Member's Statement)

Prof E S CHANG (IFP): Deputy Speaker, we in the IFP would like to convey our most heartfelt condolences to all the individuals and families from the People's Republic of China who have lost loved ones or are being affected by the earthquake in Wenchuan County in the Sichuan province of China.

It has been estimated that the earthquake which rocked China on 12 May 2008 has claimed in excess of 30 000 lives and has left more than 220 000 people hurt, while many more are still buried in the ruins.

These figures, however, fail to review the sad human side of this terrible disaster. I was visiting China at the time of this tragedy and heard many heart-wrenching stories of families torn apart, parents left childless and children orphaned by this earthquake.

There are also stories of extreme bravery and true love where parents sacrificed their own lives in order to protect their children and ensure their survival.

The State Council of China has announced a three-day national mourning period from 19 to 21 May 2008 as a nationwide display of respect for the dead. Condolence books are also open in all Chinese embassies. I urge all South African organisations and individuals to do whatever they can to assist the affected people and also to remember the deceased and their loved ones in their prayers and thoughts. I thank you.

Mr D K MALULEKE

END OF TAKE

Prof S E CHANG

CONDEMNATION OF XENOPHOBIC ATTACKS IN THE EKURHULENI MUNICIPALITY

(Member's Statement)

Mr D K MALULEKE (ANC): Madam Speaker, the ANC strongly condemns the barbaric and violent acts of xenophobia that have engulfed a number of townships in the Ekurhuleni municipality and other parts of Johannesburg and Soweto in recent days together with the possibility of copycat re-enactments in other areas. It is indeed deplorable that certain elements in our society can demean themselves by stooping to such gutter levels in human history.

We are aware of the challenges facing our communities, but also believe that those challenges cannot be used as an excuse or factors precipitating such inhumane glorification of hatred against our very own brothers and sisters who provided us with sanctuary during our dark days in the past.

We therefore urge the law enforcement agencies to use appropriate measures to stamp out the source of this scourge besieging our communities and ensure that the culprits are brought to book. We also commend the Gauteng provincial government for appointing a provincial task team that will help to unravel the causes of these violent acts and hope that its recommendations will ensure proper normalisation of the affected communities. I thank you.

Mr M M SWATHE

END OF TAKE

Mr D K MALULEKE

DEATH OF STUDENT AT UNIVERSITY OF LIMPOPO

(Member's Statement)

Mr M M SWATHE (DA): The DA condemns the death of Nkosinathi Mhlongo, a student at the University of Limpopo, who was thrown out of a moving vehicle and left to die by Sasco students for refusing to sing one of their protest songs on their return from a student protest at the Union Buildings.

The chairperson of Sasco at the University of Limpopo Turfloop campus, Tibane Serumula, and other two members of Sasco were involved in this brutal act. This is not an incident in isolation. Sasco structures are a source of instability at institutions of higher learning in the country. Their activities are influenced by a deep-rooted intolerance for political plurality. Opposition student organisations are constantly intimidated and abused on the basis of their political affiliation. Sasco's behaviour violates the constitutionally enshrined right to freedom of association yet it still continues to enjoy ties with the ANC which often turns a blind eye to despicable acts of this kind.

I call upon the Minister of Education to establish an investigation to probe the level of political violence amongst student organizations in the university. The death of one student is one too many, and the Department of Education must intervene to avoid more deaths. Thank you. [Applause.]

Mr J B SIBANYONI

END OF TAKE

Mr M M SWATHE

EKUNGWINI MUNICIPALITY ENERGY CRISIS

(Member's Statement)

IsiNdebele:

Mr J B SIBANYONI (ANC): Ngithokoze Sekela likaSomlomo.

English:

In its effort to confront the current electricity challenges and load-shedding, the Kungwini PCO in Bronkhorspruit has held a meeting with all stakeholders in the area. These included the Motsweding and Kungwini municipalities, Eskom, the Department of Minerals and Energy and the Electricity Distribution Industry Holdings, the EDI.

The meeting agreed on the following: the establishment a of joint task team between municipalities and Eskom; the establishment of a forum between municipalities to deal with national energy emergency plan; Eskom agreed to provide claim forms for customers who suffered direct damages; load-shedding schedules to be communicated to all customers; and radio interviews to be held to provide information for customers.

The ANC notes the work done by the PCO in seeking solutions to these challenges and reiterates the call for all South Africans, government departments and communities to work together for the realisation of the national energy emergency plan. Ngiyathokoza.

Mr G S GABANKGOSI

END OF TAKE

Mr J B SIBANYONI

PROGRAMME TO ASSIST INDIGENT PERSONS

(Member's Statement)

Mr G S GABANAKGOSI (ANC): Madam Deputy Speaker, South Africans who are living below the breadline and struggling to make a life for their families are to benefit from a new government initiative. An amount of R124 million has been allocated to the South African Security Agency, Sassa, and to the provincial departments for social development. This will form part of the social relief of distress programme.

The programme allows for the temporary provision of the assistance to persons in such a dire material need that they cannot meet their families' most basic needs. Civil society organisations and faith-based organisations are urged to assist the government in raising the awareness about this form of assistance.

The ANC-led government has expanded access to welfare grants, free compulsory education, free health care, free basic services and assists provinces through the housing and land reform programmes. The goals of the development social welfare programme are the attainment of basic social welfare rights for all South Africans irrespective of race, colour, religion, gender and physical and disability. I thank you. [Applause.]

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION

END OF TAKE

Mr G S GABANAKGOSI

GOVERNMENT'S POLICY ON HIV AND AIDS; SASCO MEMBERS FOUND GUILTY ARE ARRESTED AND CHARGED; AND THE SEXUAL ASSAULT OF MS BURGER IN SOUTH AFRICA

(Ministerial Response)

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION: Deputy Speaker, I would like to thank the hon members for the wide range of statements that have been made. My colleagues will speak on other aspects of the statements. With respect to the DA's reference to a workshop attended by the Minister of Health, I just want to say that I attend workshops with all kinds of peculiar people. It doesn't mean that if I am in that workshop I agree with all the people who are present there.

As far as I am aware, government's policy on the response to HIV and Aids has not been changed in any manner following that workshop. The policy of government stands as it is. Just as the hon member may mix with peculiar people, some of us might also mix with them! [Applause.]

On the statement referring to Sasco, I am not aware that Sasco as an organisation has been found guilty in any particular matter. I am aware that some students who are implicated in the event the DA member has referred to, have indeed been arrested and charged. I do not know what organisations they belong to, neither do I think that we can view the entire Sasco organisation as being guilty of the particular incident and death, which is most regrettable, that the hon member referred to.

I have previously called on all students in our universities to respect the rights of all students join any organisation and to desist from acts of violence and other destructive practices on our campuses. I certainly don't think that through the activities of one or two members of an organisation, the entire Sasco organisation can be judged as guilty. I would say that that cannot be the manner in which we should deal this.

Finally, I think all of us should express our deeply felt support for the young Ms Burger, who indicated in the public domain that she had been a victim of sexual assault in our country. I think we should join with the many women who have welcomed the gesture she has made so bravely by indicating what happened to her. We call on South Africans to redouble their efforts to fight against sexual harassment and the violent victimisation of children and women in our society. I thank you. [Applause.]

The MINISTER FOR JUSTICE AND CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT

END OF TAKE

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION

CONDOLENCES TO FAMILIES AND THOSE WHO HAVE LOST LOVED ONES IN XENOPHOBIC ATTACKS

(Ministerial Response)

The MINISTER FOR JUSTICE AND CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT: Deputy Speaker, I would also like to use this occasion to call upon all of us here, to pass on our condolences to the families of those that have lost loved ones. I am also here to report that the Justice, Crime Prevention and Security cluster, JCPS, is seized with the matter that at a practical level the necessary security forces have been deployed and that a number of individuals suspected of being perpetrators have been arrested.

I would like to use the occasion to call on all of us, members of this House and society at large, to confront this challenge head-on and that we do our best to strengthen social cohesion in all the necessary forums that we occupy; and that we continuously design and find strategies to strengthen human solidarity. I am confident that this is one challenge that all of us together can manage.

We work within the context of our Constitution. We should use the occasion to advocate the values enshrined in our Constitution. I am certain that if we do all these things and engage at all levels in our society on what is right and what is in our Constitution, and take a firm stand against those who break the law, we should manage the challenge. I thank you. [Applause.]

The DEPUTY SPEAKER: There are two more slots available for Ministers.

MINISTER OF EDUCATION

END OF TAKE

The MINISTER FOR JUSTICE AND CONSTITUTIONAL DEVELOPMENT

 

CONDOLENCES TO THOSE AFFECTED BY EARTHQUAKE IN THE PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA

(Minister's Response)

The MINISTER OF EDUCATION: Deputy Speaker, thank you for your indulgence. I thought we should have shared in the expressions of condolences that were articulated by the IFP with respect to the earthquake in the People's Republic of China. Government has issued a statement in this regard, and we join the hon member of the IFP in expressing our sympathy and condolences to those families that have lost loved once and to the people of the People's Republic of China who suffered this calamity. [Applause.]

The SPEAKER: That concludes Ministerial Responses. Did you want to take the slot, Minister Skweyiya? I didn't see any hand. I just saw you looking sad, perhaps asking yourself why I am doing this to you. [Laughter.]

The MINISTER OF SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT

END OF TAKE

THE MINISTER OF EDUCATION

SOCIAL RELIEF FOR THE VICTIMS OF XENOPHOBIA IN GAUTENG

(Ministerial Response)

The MINISTER OF SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT: Yes, Madam Speaker, I thought so, and I would! [Laughter.] I want to agree with the hon comrade over there on the issue of the social relief of distress, generally to the poorest of the poor in the country and all those who are finding it difficult to survive, specially during these times of high food prices and all the other issues.

We also want to join the rest of the House in trying to work together towards the resolution basically of the problems that are being faced –the violence in Gauteng. We have been in contact with the Gauteng government to try and ensure that relief is brought to almost everybody who has been a victim of xenophobia that is presently happening there.

We are working very closely with the MEC, in order to ensure that we can be able, at least, to ensure that all children are safe and that those who have nothing to eat are served with the right supplies of food; but more importantly, that we should work very closely with the non-governmental organisations and the faith-based organisations to relieve the hardships of the victims of violence during this phase in our country, specially in Gauteng.

We should, however, try to make an appeal from here that it should not only be left to Gauteng, but that all the provinces take the necessary steps to make sure that it does not take place anywhere in this country. I thank you. [Applause.]

Ms J L FUBBS

END OF TAKE

THE MINISTER OF SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT

CONSIDERATION OF REPORT OF JOINT BUDGET COMMITTEE ON EXPENDITURE FOR THE SECOND QUARTER OF THE 2007-08 FINANCIAL YEAR

Ms J L FUBBS: Madam Deputy Speaker, hon members of the House, colleagues and comrades, the joint budget committee is not simply any committee; it is a committee that is intended to be an instrument of oversight on delivery of prioritised services.

The Estimates of National Expenditure of 2007 states that the medium-term budgeting is more than just numbers – and here I am dealing with the committee report. It is about policy prioritisation, planning and reaching agreement on spending plans that support government's objectives. The Joint Budget Committee hereby presents its in-year oversight report on assessing the executive authorities' and accounting officers' actions of implementing the allocated budgets to meet the government's objectives for the second financial period from of 2007-08, from 1 July to 30 September 2007. It is that very phrase ``in-year oversight" that the committee finds challenging. It becomes a blunt instrument if the reporting is delayed.

In-year oversight is conducted through the interrogation of national expenditure as published by National Treasury.

Madam Deputy Speaker, all members have the ATC before them. It is not my job, my position or delegated duty to read this word-for-word but it is rather to highlight the main points.

Given that we are pursuing sustainable measures in a developmental state, the Budget assumes a critical role in this delivery. What we have done as the JBC was to cluster the report, as members will see. And in the highlighting of this, I think there were references to ``over-expenditure and under-expenditure''.

What we need to ask ourselves, and the question facing this House of Parliament is not whether it is over-expenditure or under-expenditure, but rather why has over-expenditure been incurred; why? It may be for very valid reasons. Why has under-expenditure been incurred? Unfortunately, JBC has to say that much of the under-expenditure is due to one of the following three things. Poor planning: Planning is a word that is not in the dictionary of many members of the executive, and it is something that will have to be learnt. [Interjections.]

The second point that we are looking at is not simply poor planning, but rather allocative efficiency. It is all pointless talking in fairy tale terms on my left here. I think we ought to be constructive in our comments, specially as Members of Parliament. The second point that the JBC was deeply concerned about is allocative efficiency, and indeed having done that job, is there effective performance and monitoring of that implementation?

So as we move through on the financial and administrative services cluster on Page 2 and the social services cluster, you will see the comment of the JBC. This is referring to the social services cluster. [Interjections.]

An HON MEMBER: Inaudible

Ms J L FUBBS: In fact, quite frankly, you need to see a doctor.

Despite the improvement in expenditure, however, the committee's ultimate focus is on whether spending has achieved its intended impact and outcome or not. This is an area which for many is the last port of call in the poverty situation they may be facing.

With respect to the justice and protection services cluster here, the question remains whether the resources allocated to this cluster, specifically to the Department of Safety and Security, have indeed achieved the identified and stated outcomes and whether or not they have satisfactorily reduced the levels of crime.

Although there is increased spending and additional personnel and capacity the public still finds it extremely difficult to access the police services at critical times - not at times when like me you just want to get an affidavit; no, then we don't really need them then.

If you look at the quarter-to-quarter total spending of the departments grouped under the economic services and infrastructure development cluster, you will see when you study the tables that they reflect inconsistency in expenditure.

The other area is with respect to the Department of Public Enterprises; although in many ways one wishes to move over that a little, as much time at this podium has been dedicated and devoted to Public Enterprises itself. A review of spending according to the economic classification of expenditure is in three categories: current payments, transfers, subsidies and capital expenditure.

Madam Deputy Speaker, I now move to capital expenditure, capex. The reason for this is that, as we know, if we are going to develop sustainable measures in a developmental state, then we can and should be using our capex to underpin this policy priority. The capex is comprised of five main categories, which we can read there in that respect, and that recalls an under-spending during the first half of the financial year.

Now, why does the JBC say that this is a serious problem? It is because when it comes to capital expenditure it takes a longer time to roll out. Therefore the planning should have been there five or three years in advance and the expenditure itself should begin with immediate effect in the first term. [Interjections.]

Mr I O DAVIDSON: Tell the Minister!

Ms J L FUBBS: I suggest you read this: the day you win an election, I'll lose my hair. [Laughter.]

Mr I O DAVIDSON: I thought you have lost it already.

Ms J L FUBBS: I certainly haven't.

Before we lose the end of this, Madam Deputy Speaker, I would like to look at the committee's recommendations specifically and I want to point out to all members of this House, and that includes the executive and the legislature.

The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order! Hon members, we are struggling to follow what the hon member is saying.

Ms J L FUBBS: Madam Deputy Speaker, I can tell you it has never ever been in my experience a policy of the members on my left of this podium to learn anything from experience.

Many national departments have not implemented previous parliamentary resolutions as recommended by the JBC and that is not only a challenge for the executive; it is a challenge for every member in this House who sits in a portfolio committee. What are you doing? Nothing! Consequently, the same general weaknesses prevail in expenditure and financial management across government. In this regard, therefore, the committee reissues - and I want to emphasise "reissues" - its recommendations.

Departments must ensure that they spend their budgets in line with national priorities. Stop the silo approach! National departments should report to Parliament on spending, including transfers to provinces and public entities in meeting these national priorities.

Departments should accelerate the establishment of sound administrative and financial systems to create an environment for effective and efficient financial management. The development of realistic key performance indicators should be included in this exercise. To effectively reduce the high vacancy rates, affected departments should establish specific timeframes and inform Parliament on a quarterly basis of their progress in the filling of funded vacant posts. I thank you Madam Deputy Speaker. [Applause.]

Motion agreed to.

Report accordingly adopted.

The House adjourned at 14:59.

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