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27 March 2007
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SPORT AND RECREATION PORTFOLIO
COMMITTEE
27 March 2007
SPORT BUDGET: INPUT BY SA HOCKEY, SARU, CRICKET SA, SCHOOL SPORTS FORUM
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Chairperson: Mr B Komphela (ANC)
Documents handed out:
Presentation by
Showtime Boxing Promotions
Presentation by
South African Hockey
SARU, Cricket SA, School Sports Forum did not submit documents
SUMMARY
The presentations by Boxing SA, SA Hockey Association, SA Rugby Union,
Cricket SA and the Sports Forum all had the common theme that not only were
clubs under-funded and struggling, but amateur sport itself was neglected by
sponsors. The driving need was for mass participation programmes to be utilised
in a more constructive manner, and ensure that discovered talent be nurtured.
Unfortunately there seemed to be some discrepancies between the National
department programmes and what the provincial department did to implement
these. The School Sports programme had been well received. However, it was
noted that facilities were under-used. The Committee had also agreed to support
all school sport programmes and encouraged the different sporting codes to
approach the Department of Sport and Recreation with their development plans.
MINUTES
The Chairperson said that before they heard from the sport bodies on how
the Department of Sport and Recreation (SRSA) budget should be handled, there was a matter to be aired by some Committee
members.
He handed over to Mr R Bhoola (MF) who said that he had visited rural areas in
Kwazulu- Natal the previous week to evaluate mass participation
programmes.? He had found great support.
However there was also a considerable amount of negative propaganda circulating
on the discussions of previous Committee meetings. These matters were discussed
in the media. He believed that it was imperative to take a formal decision with
regard to this discourse in the media.
Mr B Dhlamini (IFP) agreed. It was a fact that the federations wanted to remain
untouchable. He felt that the Committee should be more specific and call for a
judicial commission of inquiry into soccer. The past three years had been an
attempt to get the South African Football Association (SAFA) to give an account
of their activities. SAFA did not take the Committee seriously. He formally
requested that the Minister ask the President to set up a commission of inquiry
into SAFA..
The Chairperson agreed. Previously when he had appeared on the television
series Interface, it was clear that there was a general view amongst white
people in the country that the Committee had made rugby into a punching bag. It
was illogical that here was a country with 46 million citizens and yet there
was a Norwegian Chief Executive Officer (CEO). The Minister supported his view.
When he was engaging with the Premier Soccer League (PSL), Mr Trevor Philips
had stated that he was going to retire and provide a succession plan. It was a
serious indictment of this country that it seemed that only white CEOs could
bring money in from white-owned businesses.
Mr D Lee (DA) stated that his view had always been that sports people should
solve sport issues and the government should not get involved. It should be the
sports people who remove the bad administrators. It should however remain the
responsibility of the sport administration to clean up their act.
Mr T Louw (ANC) said that the Committee had to be clear on whether they wanted
a soccer indaba or a judicial commission of enquiry. His view was that they
should decide on a commission of enquiry.
Mr M Dikgacwi (ANC) said that what was needed was a commission. It should also
be noted that it was not coming from the ANC but from the Committee as a whole.
He agreed with the statement that the sports administrators should sort out
their mess.? However, if they failed to
do so then the Minister should intervene.
Mr C Frolick (ANC) seconded the proposal that the Committee propose a
commission of enquiry into SAFA.
The Chairperson stated that the resolution would be formally taken at the next
meeting, and it would be stated that the decision was taken collectively. The
Chairperson then went on to state that those representing cricket were there to
give a broad overview of how the budget would affect them. He felt it was
prudent to state that Mr G Majola never strayed from his commitment to present
a cricket team which represented the demographics of South Africa. He said that
there were critical issues that should be braced and that the South African
Broadcasting Corporation (SABC) was at the meeting to speak about the specific
issues of the PSL and SABC, where it looked as if PSL wanted to sell their
rights to another broadcaster.
Mr M Mbebe, Group Executive of SABC Content Enterprises, stated that the court
case itself was a symptom of a larger problem. The rights with the PSL had been
the main issue of the case. SABC had had the position of being the first to
negotiate with the PSL regarding broadcasting rights but they could come to an
agreement. He also stated that they had not even reached the pricing stages as
yet. He commented that the public should force the two parties, SABC and PSL,
to go back to the negotiating table and find common ground. The perception
seemed to be that SABC refused to pay fair value for the broadcasting rights.
It was unthinkable to assume this, as it would destroy football. They had a
vested interest in local football, but they were not prepared to enrich
individuals, but would rather enrich the clubs.
Mr Mbebe also stated that broadcasting local soccer would be a perfect build up
to the 2010 World Cup. The South African public needed to see better local
football so that the interest in the football by the government could be
illustrated. He also stated that there was no other broadcaster who was able to
reach the rural areas where soccer had such a huge following and be able to
broadcast in their own language.
Mr Louw asked that if the court should decide that the PSL broadcasting rights
had to go to ETV or SuperSport, how would it affect
the rights of the SABC being able to broadcast 2010 World Cup.
Mr Mbebe stated insofar as the World Cup was concerned, the SABC had already
received the rights, as FIFA believed in public service.? The PSL was the SABC?s? showcase for local soccer talent.
Mr Dikgawci stated that he agreed with the SABC saying that it would be too
expensive for the average South African to watch local soccer if the
broadcasting rights were to move.?
However he wanted to know how far had they progressed.
Mr Mbebe reiterated that the public should force the two parties to go back to
the negotiating table as their interest lay in public service.
Mr Lee remarked that although they had heard only one side of the story, he
asked why the SABC did not go public with the names of the people who were
delaying this process, thereby naming and shaming them.
Mr Mbebe stated it was necessary to build football and to do so would require
that an amicable relationship existed between the SABC and football
administration. Nursing that relationship was important therefore it would be
better to engage behind close doors.
The Chairperson stated that the Committee would support the SABC in their
endeavour because they were biased towards the poor and their interest lay in
public service.
CricketSA presentation
The CEO of Cricket South Africa (CSA), Mr Gerald Majola, stated that they
had to look after their finances. Winning did not just involve the game itself,
but other aspects such as ensuring that the game could be played throughout the
country. Winning also included sustainability as well as governance, which
meant that there had to be sustainable development
programmes.
He went on to discuss their revenue generation stating that international
broadcasting rights were the majority of their revenue. When games were played
domestically, CSA owned those rights. He also stated that in order for their
vision to achieved there was no other platform besides
SABC to hold them do so. However, he did state that there were some contracts
with SuperSport that were signed before he had taken up his position at CSA
that only expired in 2012. Other revenue generators were sponsorships, gate
revenues, Internaitonal Cricket Council (ICC) allocations, government grants
and the Lotto.
Cricket South Africa was highly dependent on the Future Tours programme.
However, the majority of their revenue was based on exchange rates.? As the Rand weakened and strengthened so
their revenue fluctuated.? Different
opponents also influenced the revenue achieved.?
They had then taken a four-year plan based on television rights and
exchange rates. Their main challenge thus far had been balance. Cricket had
grown to be the second most popular sport in South Africa,
however the resources remained the same.?
CSA needed assistance because of this. They had budgeted with the
exchange rate of R6 to $1 as a basis.?
With the taxation of sporting bodies they could easily be taxed R20
million, and they hoped that the Amendment Bill would change that issue.
Sponsors also had to be forced to involve themselves with development, as they
were only interested in professional sport. Cricket South Africa had been more
intelligent in their dealings with sponsors and had found a way to link
development with professional contracts. They had decided to force sponsors to
give money by instructing them that professional contracts come with the
condition of inputting money into development programmes.
The amateur cricket budget had been sorely lacking because of the reluctance of
sponsors this had resulted in a void between amateur cricket and professional
cricket. A breakdown of the amateur budget revealed that as a whole it added up
to R80 ? R90 million. Only R25 million was sponsored, the Lotto had reduced
their contribution to R1.8 million from R2.5 million; government grant had
increased from R2.4 million to R4.7 million. The downfall was covered by
Cricket South Africa, which was taken from the professional funds thereby
depleting their reserves, which they would like to build up to at R120 million.
In conclusion they would appreciate assistance regarding the tax legislation
and funding for amateur cricket.
Discussion
The Chairperson stated that the 2010 Special Measures Bill had made it
possible for the Committee to pass the expenditure of R10 billion for the 2010
World Cup. The critical issue was that the money that would be appropriated for
the world cup had gone up to R25billion, which had to be approved by the
Committee. The Chairperson wanted a clarification on the R120 million and in
which account it was held.
Mr Majola stated that it was placed in an account that would yield maximum
returns and the interest was utilised annually.
The Chairperson asked how would CSA benefit if the government gave R20 million
towards amateur cricket.
Mr Majola responded that R20 million would greatly benefit the amateur level of
cricket.
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SA Hockey presentation
Mr G Dolley, Youth Manager for South African Hockey Association (SAHA),
began the presentation with SAHA?s vision for hockey, which was to create a
single integrated system that would be centralised. Their key areas of focus were, mini-hockey or entry level hockey which was their mass
participation profile.? The second area
was the schools programme where they had adopted the national approach.? The third area was club level where there was
a serious lack of funds for clubs who were struggling to sustain
themselves.? The final area was the high
performance programme. He noted that there was a need to have a balance between
mass participation and international participation. There should be a
centralised academy system, as their current system was not working. They did
have partnerships with other service providers such as Lotto and the current
corporate sponsor, SPAR, for the ladies team.?
However, the men?s team had no corporate sponsor.? SAHA?s programme was driven by good
structures, not money, and they aligned themselves with SRSA.
He said that they had targeted 200 new schools that were situated within the
hubs and identified for mass participation programmes. There had been a
challenge to engage the provincial departments to SAHA?s contribution. It was
also noted that it should be critical that SAHA had a say in the appointment of
officials as there seemed to be a lot of duplication. It seemed that things
would differ on the local level compared to the provincial or national level.
Promotion of participation within the life orientation curriculum was
suggested, so that more schools could be reached. The infrastructure levels
should measure input. Presently SAHA had only three full time people in its
employ. All coaches were part-time employees. This presented quite a challenge
to compete internationally and more of a base had to be built.
Mr Dolley felt that it would be prudent to work with other sporting codes to
build strong relationships. SAHA should also have strong links with schools and
clubs. Their programmes were driven by volunteers, which once again illustrated
that their programmes were driven by passion and commitment and not money.
Discussion
Mr Frolick stated that it was commendable to see the output of the
meagre budget that SAHA had The fact that it was not
the amount of money but the level of commitment was admirable. He wanted to ask
Mr Dolley to explore the relationship of the mass participation programmes with
the provincial departments. It was the quality that was worrisome to the
Committee.? The programme envisaged by
the national department was somehow not reaching the provincial level. This
begged the question of what the money was being utilised for.
Mr B Dhlamini (IFP) said that Mr Frolick had raised most of his issues. There
did seem to be a problem with the hubs which were areas identified for mass
participation programmes. He stated that he did not see hockey anywhere besides
on television when the national team played. He enquired about the strategy
employed around schools to interact with the school authority.
Mr Dikgacwi stated that in the presentation only showed cities.? He wanted to know about the places outside
the main cities.
Mr J Masango (DA) wanted to know about the challenges from the provincial
department and if there were children identified that could progress to
professional levels.
Mr Dolley replied that the funds were not reaching the appropriate level. They
were going straight to the federations. SAHA had adopted the Department?s
vision of mass participation programmes and had made some inroads even though
they were struggling with a small budget. The presentation provided proof of
what they had done. There was a serious challenge though as there was a major
dropout from school level to professional level and an intervention was needed.
He hoped that his presentation was able to answer the other questions.
Mr Louw asked about the disbursement of funds and how specifically how it was
done, because there seemed to be a disparity.
Mr Dolley replied that it was the hockey demographic in South Africa, and that
it was categorised in particular regions.
Mr Frolick wanted to know about the current status of the Olympic games and the interaction with SASCOC.
Mr Dolley responded that they endorsed a target.? By 2010 they wanted to reflect the SA
demographics. However they needed more coordination with a high performance
strategy.
The Chairperson stated that hockey had a history of non-transformation and that they needed to put more resources towards effecting
change in hockey. They needed to work on the stigma that hockey had obtained.
The Department had to come closer to becoming more involved with hockey.
Mr Louw stated that they needed further interaction with hockey and that he was
not satisfied.
Mr Frolick stated that it was important to look at the budget of the
department. The mass participation programmes had taken quite a chunk out of
the budget and that such an opportunity could not be allowed to pass by.
School Sports Forum presentation
Mr B Petersen, Chairperson of Schauder and Korsten Sport and Recreation
Forum, began his presentation by stating that the Committee was aware of the
vibrancy of rugby in the Eastern Cape? before unification. After unification,
however, government placed more emphasis on school rugby, which resulted in
junior rugby losing its vibrancy. Community sport was an all-inclusive
programme. However there was not any tangible programme, which accommodated
community sport in its totality.
The sports forum was established because of concerns regarding the total demise
and the lack of participation in rugby as well as social factors such as drugs
and alcoholism. His said that it was much more difficult for young people to
grow now than it was for his generation, because of the peer pressure and social
issues. That made it difficult and problematic to get scholars involved.
The sport forum was proud to state that they had an excellent sports programme
for the people from the area. They realised the need to organise the mass
participation programme and get the scholars involved. The metropolitan Sport
and Recreation departments played a major role in helping the sports forum.
He also stated that it was very difficult for clubs to survive since they
lacked capacity. The sports forum engaged with schools on a regular basis but
the schools were quite conservative. They would eventually have to convince
them that the sports forum would not take over but merely supplement and
provide other assistance as needed. Their programme was simple in structure,
both conclusive and inclusive with its core function being to implement
government policy into schools on both primary and secondary levels as well as
maximum participation and facilitation and coordination of sporting events.
The use of and building of school facilities had been brought up with the
Department numerous times. They also had to find a way to utilise the existing
school facilities to the optimum level. They need to look at incentives as well
as identifying contributors, which could be vital to development.
Discussion
The Chairperson stated that he appreciated the input from community
sport and then opened the floor for questions.
Mr R Reed (ANC) enquired of Mr Petersen if, when he made mention of the
previous interest in rugby, he meant to revert back to having several unions
within one province.
Mr Petersen replied that he did not had a personal
view on the re-introduction of sub-regional unions. He thought that trend of
the government seemed to be moving toward total removal of provinces. It might
be an ideal situation though.
Mr Louw advised caution as there had been fighting amongst the provincial
unions in the Eastern Cape for years. The question of coordination would go
unanswered as they reverted to the old problem with too many provincial structures.
Mr M Ncula, Deputy CEO of the South African Rugby Union (SARU), provided more
insight into the character of Mr Petersen, stating that he was the captain of
the last non-racial rugby team. He also said stating that Mr Petersen
communicated well with all communities and that he knew what he was talking
about.
Ms M Ramakaba-Lesiea (ANC) asked about the structure of community sports.
Mr Petersen answered that community sport was defined by different role players
and that intervention programmes ensured that there were other structures. Mass
participation was also defined as a community attempt at sport.
Mr Louw thought that he should mention that government was not doing away with
provinces.
SARU presentation
Mr M Ncula, Deputy CEO of SARU, began his presentation by openly admitting
that the relationship between SARU and government was not healthy and needed to
be corrected. At the last SARU Presidents? Council meeting it was decided that
it should be corrected or rugby would suffer.
At the moment rugby was facing two major challenges.? These were transformation, which he did not
want to elaborate on, and the Super 14 franchise in the South Eastern Cape
region, where they were trying to establish a proper foundation. In order to
address these outstanding issues they had appointed a project manager, Mr
Godfrey Afrika. His brief was simple, namely to implement an establishment of
Super 14 franchise by 2010. They believed that the budget allocated should help
them address the key factors, namely the Southern Spears, capacity building
issues such as training and equipment and mass participation programmes. They
took advantage of the mass participation programmes and displayed a keen
interest in involving provinces so that they could be visible. Thus far the
biggest challenges to South African Rugby were the development of good
leadership skills from the grassroots to the professional level. They had
recently completed an audit on the state of rugby. This should assist in
addressing the gaps that had been discovered.
Discussion
Mr Dikgawci agreed that the relationship should improve. He also wanted
to know if the subject of the Vodacom Cup was ever brought up, as it was a
platform for black players to demonstrate their skills.
Mr Ncula responded that it was was true that initially the competition was
established to give exposure to black players. Things changed, however, when
Brian van Rooyen removed the quota system. Quotas did help with ensuring that
black players received playtime, now however the number of black players had
dropped.? The transformation committee
was currently working on a system that would reward those teams which included
black players and penalised those which did not.
Mr Louw asked what SARU intended doing to help fix the relationship with
between SARU and government.
Mr Ncula replied that they had decided that a committee should be set up to
address the relationship with the government. It had been realised that more
communication and interaction needed to occur.
Mr Petersen asked what impact Mr Afrika?s presence would have in the
South Eastern Cape, considering the result after SARU intervened previously and
were resultingly greeted with hostility.
Mr Ncula stated that it was a different situation. The issue then was between SARU
and the Eastern Province, this, however, was now the South Eastern Cape, and
they were addressing a particular commitment made to government. There had to
be a franchise set up in the Eastern Cape, as it was a home to black players.
Presentation by Boxing Promoter, Mzimasi Mgumi
Mr Mzimasi Mgumi (Boxing promoter) began by stating that although there was
a lot to be said about boxing he would restrict the presentation to policy and
legislative framework, institutional capacity and the boxers themselves. The
promulgated new Boxing Act had been provided for the establishment of a more
centralised form of governance. A new functional structure was conceived.
However, there were negative elements, such as leadership gaps which had left
decision making in the hands of a few. Transformation in the true sense of the
word had not taken place.? There was a
framework put in place but the philosophy had not changed.
Although the board was well presented, none of them really had their hearts in
boxing, but they did attempt their best to develop boxing. Stipulations were
abused and exact application of the act was not heeded. Promoters were given
live television coverage, there was a speedy formation
of a stakeholders association as well as a capacity building programme that
targeted all stakeholders. All boxers were encouraged to take life insurance.
Mr Mgumi said that the current regime had lost more than three sponsors and had
yet to replace them, which resulted in the promoters having to raise the funds.
Boxing, it seemed, was dependent on the government for survival.
The administration of boxing had been without proper control for over four
years. The Leila Ali drama had damaged the reputation of many. Boxing SA should
shoulder the blame for this.
Boxing did not have the attendance as it did internationally and this was
because it did not provide excitement and quality. Boxers themselves had been
in the decline, as they had only recently begun to pay boxers a respectable
salary. There were also diseases affecting boxers, namely HIV/AIDS and
Hepatitis. South Africa needed to be forced to look after their boxers. For
this they required guidance from the Committee, as the environment was not
conducive to growth.
Mr Mngumi proposed that boxing be re-introduced into schools.? He requested assistance on policy
development, and suggested that it be left to those who had an active interest
in boxing. He stated that boxers should take precedence over all decisions and
that a sound establishment of administration be created.
Presentation by Showtime Promotions
Ms M Zantsi said that she was the leading female boxing promoter in the
country and that it came about through hard work and dedication. She also
suggested that an academy be established in each province in the country
Ms Zantsi suggested that government level the playing field to support aspiring
promoters and that more emphasis be given to female development. Boxing should
be a give a daytime slot on television as it only had the late night slot at
present (see document).
Discussion
Ms Ramakaba-Lesiea stated that it was commendable to see a woman in
such a male dominated field. She wanted to know how Ms Zantsi intended to draw
women into boxing.
Mr Louw enquired from Mr Fredericks about the appointment of the CEO.? He enquired? whether or not there was a forum for
male and female boxers.? He also stated
that there should be more interaction with SABC regarding boxing.
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