South African Red Cross Society Bill: briefing & adoption; Immigration Amendment Bill: briefing
NCOP Health and Social Services
27 February 2007
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SOCIAL
SERVICES SELECT COMMITTEE
27 February 2007
SOUTH AFRICAN RED CROSS SOCIETY BILL: BRIEFING & ADOPTION; IMMIGRATION
AMENDMENT BILL: BRIEFING
Acting Chairperson: Mr B Tolo (ANC, Mpumulanga)
Documents handed out:
South African Red Cross Society and Legal Protection of Certain Emblems
Bill [B25-2006]
Powerpoint
presentation South African Red Cross Society Bill
Immigration Amendment Bill [B28-2006]
Powerpoint presentation on Immigration Amendment Bill
Committee programme [available here on 2 March 2007]
SUMMARY
The Department of Health recapped the reasons behind the South African Red
Cross Society and Legal Protection of Certain Emblems Bill. The Bill would give
formal recognition to the Red Cross Society, which worked closely with the
Department on health programmes, disasters and emergencies. South Africa had
undertaken to promote and encourage development of the South African Red Cross.
Recognition would include formalisation of some community-based projects,
benefits from Red Cross’s international status and its sustainable air mercy
services, and its ability to coordinate rapid international responses and donor
funding in times of disaster. The pertinent provisions of the Bill were
summarised. Members voted unanimously to approve the Bill.
The Department of Home Affairs summarised the main clauses and purpose of the
Immigration Amendment Bill, which would amend the Immigration Act. Definitions
would be added and clarified. Section 10(2) of the Act would be amended to list
the various permits, which would include cross border and transit permits and
temporary resident permits. Section 10(b)(1) would be
amended in respect of transit visas, which would henceforth not be required if
a person did not make use of transit areas at ports of entry. The amendment of
Section 11(2) would permit visitors to undertake certain types of work in South
Africa. The amendment of Section 19(5) would extend the period of intra company
work permits from the present two years to four years. Section 20 would be
amended to permit the issuing of a permit to the spouse and dependent children
of a retired person. The power to withdraw permits was clarified and extended.
Consequential amendments were listed. Members queried the Director General’s
power to undertake certain tasks, and clarity was sought in relation to transit
visas for those who did not require entry visas to South Africa. Substantive
discussions on the Bill would ensue in the following week.
The Committee programme was approved. The tour to Britain was still being
investigated.
MINUTES
Mr B Tolo (ANC, Mpumulanga)
was appointed as Acting Chairperson
South African Red Cross Society and Legal Protection of Certain Emblems Bill
B25-2006 (the Bill): Briefing by Department of Health (DOH)
Mr Peter Fuhri, Director, DOH recapped briefly
the provisions of the South African Red Cross Society and Legal Protection of
Certain Emblems Bill. He indicated that a detailed briefing on the Bill had
already taken place. He reminded Members
that the background to the Bill was the desire of the Department of Health to
legislate for formal recognition to the Red Cross Society. This Society worked
closely with DOH on health programmes, as well as disasters and emergencies.
All interactions to date had been on an informal basis. However, the Red Cross
Society was a member of the international federation of the Red Cross and South
Africa had undertaken to promote and encourage the development of the South
African Red Cross Society. There were about 147 national societies throughout
the world and about 45 were recognised formally, by way of legislation, as an
auxiliary of the State in times of emergency. Another portion of the Bill
sought to protect the emblems of the Red Cross. Benefits of the formal
recognition would include formalisation of some community-based projects,
benefits obtained from the Red Cross’s international status, and its
sustainable air mercy services. In times of disaster, Red Cross was able to
pull together international responses rapidly and to assist with donor funding
and networking.
Mr Sello Ramasala,
Director: Legal Services, DOH summarised the pertinent provisions of the Bill.
He briefly summarised the content of the clauses of the Bill. He emphasised
that Red Cross personnel who breached the principles of the Red Cross and
became involved in war crimes would not be protected under this Act but would
be dealt with in the normal course of events.
Discussion
The Acting Chairperson read out the Motion of Desirability. Members agreed
unanimously to all clauses of the Bill.
The Chairperson suggested that the short title be amended by the changing of
the reference to "2006" to "2007" in the description of the
Bill.
Ms F Mazibuko (ANC, Gauteng)
queried whether this was correct, as the National Assembly had passed the Bill
in 2006.
Mr M Sulliman (ANC, Northern Cape) noted that if the short title was
changed this might be regarded as an amendment requiring to be re-passed by the
National Assembly.
Mr H Smuts, State Law Advisor stated that the legislation procedures section of
Parliament would attend to this type of correction administratively, and the
Bill, once named as an Act, would bear the date 2007.
Mr D Erasmus, Director: Drafting, Department of Home Affairs (DHA) noted the
difference between assenting to the Bill, signature by the President and the
Bill coming into operation. He confirmed that the Act would be assigned a 2007
date.
Members approved the Bill unanimously, and resolved that it would be acceptable
merely to make a statement in the House.
Immigration Amendment Bill: Briefing by Department of Home Affairs (DHA)
Ms Jayshree Naidoo,
Chief Director, Legal Services, DHA noted that the
purpose of the Immigration Amendment Bill was to amend the Immigration Act of
2002 to provide for clarification of procedures and permits, to align the Act
with drafting principles, and to amend certain definitions.
She noted that the definitions to be amended were the addition of “affiliate”
“branch” and “subsidiary” and the clarification of “departure” to mean exit
from a port of entry to another country.
Section 10(2) of the Act was to be amended to list the various permits, which
would include cross border and transit permits and temporary resident permits.
Section 10(b)(1) of the Act currently required a
person who was in transit through South Africa to have a transit visa. In future this would not be
required if a foreigner were to be travelling by bus or motor vehicles, as they
would not make use of transit areas at ports of entry.
Section 11(2) of the Act currently provided that the holder
of a visitor’s permit could not conduct work in South Africa. The
amendment proposed would change this position so that a foreigner could be
given the opportunity to work provided that the activity was not
prescribed.
Section 19(5) of the Act provided that a person who was in the employ of a
foreign company could obtain an intra company work permit. The amendment Bill
would extend the period of the permit from two to four years.
Section 20 of the Act currently did not allow a retired person holding a permit
to be accompanied by a spouse or children. The amendment Bill would allow an
appropriate permit to be issued to a spouse and dependent children.
Section 28 of the Act, dealing with withdrawal of a permanent resident permit, was to be amended
so that the Director General could withdraw the permit if the holder was
convicted of “any offence”. Currently the power to withdraw was restricted to
the crimes listed in the Schedule.
Clauses 12 and 13 were the short title and commencement. The consequential
amendments were listed.
Discussion
The Chairperson indicated that substantive engagement on the Bill would
take place the following week.
Mr Sulliman asked for clarity on why the Director
General was given the power to undertake certain tasks, rather than the
Minister.
Mr Erasmus replied that the Director General was responsible for implementation
of the legislation at a practical level. The Minister would generally make the
regulations and policy. Where the legislation required the Director General to
do something “in the prescribed manner” this indicated that he would be
complying with Ministerial rulings. Visitors’ permits were administrative by
nature, and in fact most decisions on whether or not to renew such permits
would be delegated down to Chief Directors at the provinces.
The Chairperson queried Clause 3, and asked for clarity whether a person who
was exempt from holding a visa for travel to South Africa would now need a visa
in order to travel through South Africa in transit. If so, this did not appear
to make sense.
Mr Erasmus stated that a visa would allow a person to travel from one port of
entry to another. If a person was visa exempt they would not have to have a
visa for South Africa, but would be required to have a visa for the next
country to be visited, as this would effectively authorise the travel from one
border post to the next.
Mr Smuts added that the provisions of subsection (4)(a),
as mentioned in the amendment, stated that the Minister was able to exempt a
person from having to hold a visa. If the traveller was already exempt from
having to have a visa for entry to South Africa, then he would also be exempt
from having to hold a transit visa for South Africa. He would have had to
acquire a visa for the ultimate destination.
Mr Erasmus noted that from a practical point of view it was necessary to
document all people entering South Africa, as visa exemptions normally held
good for a certain period, and it was necessary to ensure that travellers did
not overstay the period and thus become illegal immigrants.
Mr Yusuf Simons, Acting Deputy Director General:
Immigration, DHA noted that the details of all persons entering South Africa
were captured, irrespective of whether visas were issued, in order to record
movement.
The Chairperson confirmed that further substantive issues would be discussed in
the following week.
Committee programme
A draft programme had been distributed to
Members, who were asked to make suggestions as to what needed to be added. Ms Mazibuko proposed that the programme was clear and should
be adopted, subject to correction of a typographical error. She also asked that
the Medical Research Council, when addressing the Committee, should not be limited,
as the programme suggested, to “microbiology issues” but could deal with any
issues.
The draft programme was adopted.
The Chairperson noted that funding was a problem in respect of the planned tour
to Britain to study good practice in health and education matters. The
Committee would still be engaging with other options, including the possibility
of only a limited delegation undertaking the visit.
The meeting was adjourned.
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