Sector Education and Training Authorities briefings on Updated Programmes
NCOP Public Enterprises and Communication
19 September 2006
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LABOUR AND PUBLIC ENTERPRISES SELECT COMMITTEE
19 September 2006
SECTOR EDUCATION AND TRAINING AUTHORITIES BRIEFINGS ON UPDATED PROGRAMMES
Chairperson: Ms P Themba (ANC Mpumalanga)
Documents handed out:
Bank Seta
presentation
Clothing and Textile
presentation
Tourism and
Hospitality SETA (THETA) presentation
Financial and
Accounting Services SETA (FASSET) presentation
Wholesale and Retail
SETA (W&R SETA) presentation
Public Service Education SETA (PSETA) presentation: Part1 & Part2
Services Sector Education and Training Authority presentation
Banking SETA (BANKSETA) Annual
Report 2005/06 [www.bankseta.org.za]
Clothing and Textile Annual Report 2005/06 [www.ctflseta.org.za]
TETA Annual Report 2005/06 [www.teta.org.za]
Services Sector Education and Training Authority Annual Report 2005/06
[www.serviceseta.org.za]
Tourism and Hospitality SETA (THETA) Annual Report 2005/06 [www.theta.org.za]
Financial and Accounting Services SETA (FASSET) Annual Report 2005/06 available
at www.fasset.org.za
Wholesale and Retail SETA (W&R SETA) Annual Report 2005/06 avaiable at
www.wrseta.org.za
Public Service Education SETA (PSETA) Annual Report 2005/06 [www.pseta.gov.za]
SUMMARY
In the morning session, the committee was briefed by the sector training
authorities for Banking, Clothing, Textile, Footwear and Leather, Transport,
and Services Sector on their updated programmes. Each SETA gave a brief
presentation focusing upon the programmes offered and the numbers of learners
trained in the various areas. Matters of general concern to all SETAs related
to the lack of coordination and planning by provinces, the roles of SETAs not
being fully understood, ABET training, which is was stated should ideally be a
national priority, and constraints caused by lack of funding. Members’
questions related in general to the fact that learnerships seemed to be
confined to some areas, the efforts made to upgrade training, efforts made to
assist communities where jobs had been lost. Specific questions were also
raised with each SETA about matters pertinent to their scope of work.
The four SETAs presenting during the afternoon session were the: Tourism and
Hospitality SETA (THETA), Financial and Accounting Services SETA (FASSET),
Wholesale and Retail SETA (W&R SETA) and Public Service Education SETA
(PSETA). Each of these SETAs presented its achievements, goals and management
strategies over the past year and for the year to come. Aspects discussed were
the scope of influence of each of the individual SETAs and whether it
incorporated all the provinces in South Africa. Budget funding and expenditure
was also presented and statistics for numbers of people trained and placed in
employment. Due to time constraints minimal discussion was possible.
MINUTES
Briefing by Banking Sector SETA (Bankseta)
Mr Frank Groenewald, Chief Executive Officer, Bankseta gave a brief summary of
the BankSETAs updated programmes. Some of the challenges that faced the SETA
were a lack of planning and communication by some provinces. Some SETAs were
seen as funding sources rather than strategic partners in skills development.
The roles of SETAs were not fully understood. The funding that the SETA
received was insufficient to fund large national programmes. There was a need
for the adult basic education and training programmes (ABET) to be run under
the national skills programmes, yet the SETA was under continued pressure to
drive ABET and New Venture Creation that should be national projects.
Discussion
Ms N Ntwanambi (ANC Western Cape) asked how the Bank Seta had contributed to
trade and development. She enquired how the Seta would work with unregistered
co-ops.
Mr D Gamede (ANC Kwazulu Natal) commented that the Bank Seta presentation was
too broad. He wanted a list of all the NGOs and businesses with whom the SETAs
had partnerships.
Ms P Hollander (ANC Northern Cape) wanted to know what could be done to assist
the SETA with ABET. She wanted to know if it was possible to identify the
reasons why provinces did not interact with the Seta. She enquired why only
certain areas had identified and taken on learners in the learnership
programmes. She wanted to know what had been done to employ more disabled
people.
Mr Groenewald replied that Setas worked towards employability, and he confirmed
that there still was more than the Setas could do to improve. It was important
when choosing learnerships to identify the right qualifications both of the
learner and the jobs required. It would be better to work with the financial
co-operatives and then implement training for them. In order to qualify for the
bursary for the Master's programme, a learners would first have to be accepted
into the University programme and would need to complete the Masters degree in
something related to the financial sector. He commented again that ABET should
be a national initiative and stated that there were social issues that needed
to be looked at in this regard.
Briefing by Clothing, Textile, Footwear and Leather Seta (CTFL SETA)
Dr Hoosen Rassol, CEO, CTFL SETA gave members a brief summary of the updated
programmes. He stated that 67 000 jobs had been lost in the industry. The SETA
faced serious funding problems. The SETA has partnerships with three centres of
excellence. A sector skills plan had been developed that was endorsed by the
sector and the Department of Trade and Industry. CTFL supported the Cape
Fashion Festival annually. 1909 employed learners were registered on learning
programmes. 589 unemployed learners had been trained. 1567 learners on CTFL
learnerships had graduated with national qualifications. There was a need for a
new quality assurance system. He told members that CTFL needed to source
additional funding from various social partners to increase its geographic
reach.
Discussion
Mr J Sibiya (ANC, Limpopo) wanted to know the current situation with the
training of teachers in the sector, and a further question was asked how the
SETA was dealing with outdated training.
Ms N Ntwanambi (ANC, Western Cape) commented that many people had lost their
jobs in the textile industry. She wanted to know if there would be any way in
which the SETAs could form co operatives and then provide training for the
community. She also enquired how the import quotas would tie in with the
dumping quotas.
Dr Rasool replied that the jobs lost in the industry could be recouped within
2-3 years. However, those who had lost their jobs were placing a strain on the
state. It was senseless to train machinists in an area where there were no
factories for them to work in, and therefore it was not considered viable to
train machinists in Limpop and Northern Cape. The Department of Labour needed
to come on board so that machinists or those with other outdated skills could
be retrained in another area where they would be able to find work. Currently
there was a demand for high skill labour such as artisans and technologists.
Briefing by Services Sector Education and Training Authority (SSETA)
Mr Ivor Blumenthal, CEO of the Services Sector
Education and Training Authority (ServicesSETA) gave members a brief
summary of the updated programmes. He told members that the SETA had a physical
presence in 6 provinces, with linkages to other provinces. Support was focused
to smaller provinces through Further Education and Training and Higher
Education sector agreements. The small and micro enterprise programmes (SME)
board was now provincially based. A disability representative council had been
established. Communication for the SETA remained an ongoing challenge. The SETA
was faced with a number of constraints, including the fact that it was urban
and not rural-based. There were no partner companies in the rural areas.
Discussion
Mr Sibiya (ANC Limpopo) asked what criteria were used to select
students for learnerships.
Ms S Mabe (ANC Free State) asked which radio stations had been used by the SETA
to inform the community about its projects.
Mr Gamede (ANC Kwazulu Natal) commented favourably that there were policies in
place for disabled persons.
Ms N Ntwanambi (ANC Western Cape) enquired why only some areas appeared to
be chosen for internship programmes. She felt that this offered few
opportunities for people to upgrade their skills in their own area.
Mr Blumenthal replied that the SETA was trying to cast the net as wide as
possible in relation to internship programmes. He said that the SETA had
established an internship programme with a few institutions in Port Elizabeth
and East London. However, it would be incorrect to start a learnership
programme in an area where the SETA knew the learner would not find a placement.
He said that the SETA was aware of and attempting to meet the provincial
disability strategies. He promised that a list of the NGOs and community radio
stations would be made available in writing to the committee.
Briefing by Transport Education Training Authority (TETA)
Dr Piet Bothma, CEO, Transport Education Training Authority (TETA) commenced
his briefing with a number of statistics on achievements. The chambers covered
by the SETA included aerospace, forwarding and clearing, freight, maritime,
rail, road freight, road passenger and related services. He told members that
100 unemployed learners had completed learnerships. A further 818 unemployed
learners entered the learnership programme. 4604 learners in the Taxi Industry
completed critical and scarce skills programmes. 900 learners (100 in each
province) were to be trained this year in Professional Driving Skills. Training
was in process for 3909 small boat operators. A pilot project in partnership
with Simonstown High School had been implemented, to prepare grade 11 and 12
learners for learnerships and job exposure at sea. There had been successful
implementation of programmes in small and medium enterprise training. The
number of learners enrolled at FET Colleges was tabled by province. Future
plans for TETA included rolling out a memorandum of understanding with the
Department of Transport in relation to licensing standards, registration of
driving qualifications, upgrading of testing officers to Assesors, and
upgrading and quality assurance on testing centres. Driving schools would also
need to be accredited. There would be full cooperation with Premiers’ offices,
and better support and participation.
Discussion
Ms N Ntwanambi (ANC, Western Cape) wanted to know if the BMW plant in Pretoria
had any learners. She asked how the SETA was assisting with the taxi
recapitalisation process and if it provided any training to bus drivers who
travelled along the N1 high accident rated stretches of Leeu Gamka and
Laingsberg.
A member asked how many skippers had been trained. He further enquired whether
taxi drivers who had completed courses through SETA were awarded certificates
that could be displayed on the taxis..
Mr D Gumede (ANC Kwazulu Natal) queried some of the figures. He enquired what
had been classified as a scarce skill.
Dr Bothma replied that there were learnerships at manufacturing plants, but
that these did not fall under the TETA. He clarified that the support that TETA
offered the taxi industry was in the learnership areas, and was aimed to help
them become professional. This was achieved through the professional driving
course as well as training on good interaction with their clients. He confirmed
that as drivers reached certain competency levels they were accredited, which
would allow them to move to the next level. However there was no visible
certificate affixed to the taxi. He commented that there were regrettably not
sufficient funds to train everyone. In relation to high accident rates, he
commented that the quality of the roads was a provincial concern, and not a
specific concern of the SETA. Driving skills and competency were however linked
to the overall question of road safety. He confirmed that in relation to
skipper training, at least 10 000 learners had been trained on small boats.
Afternoon session
Tourism and Hospitality Sector Education and Training Authority (THETA)
Mr Mike Tsotetsi (CEO) noted the number of learnerships provided by this
SETA and the different areas in which these learnerships were created. He
highlighted the provinces in which the SETA had influence and the number of
SMMEs that the SETA had assisted. The SETA saw its responsibilities as
assisting SMMEs in skills development, improved communication between the SMMEs
and THETA and dealing with financial issues surrounding their programmes. He
noted the number of learners they had successfully trained in various fields
and in each province and the number of those learners who had secured
employment in the various provinces. Its future plans were outlined as was the
necessary expenditure to implement these goals, and the provinces intended to
benefit from the programmes. He explained the challenges it faced, one of them
being financial constraints and the mounting pressure around 2010. He expressed
a desire to rid the organisation of its legacy of maladministration.
Discussion
In reply to a question from Ms S Chen (DA), the SETA noted that all the
statistical values were reflected in millions except for the one on the
provision of the new learnership in Spanish language, due to the fact that this
was a joint venture.
The Chair noted that there was a need to contact all the provinces and the
SMMEs in order to better equip the SETAs to deal with issues of gender and
youth. She felt that there must be full utilization of the offices specialising
in these fields in order for information to be provided at the grassroot level.
Financial and Accounting Services SETA (FASSET) presentation
Ms Cheryl James (CEO) presented. The FASSET presentation began with a
provincial perspective showing the intentions of the SETA on a provincial
scale. One of these intentions was employer participation. FASSET tried to
include the employers in the training and increase the communication between
the employer and FASSET. Life long learning for continued professional
education training was one of its goals. Adult Basic Education Training (ABET)
was running in five provinces with 235 learners registered. The presentation
highlighted the different ways in which communication occurred. FASSET reported
a total of 64 413 learners across all gender and racial spectrums in all nine
provinces. It had 22 registered learnerships to date and assured quality for
all of them. Although it had programmes running in five provinces only, it
included learners from all nine provinces, most of them black and women and
some disabled learners. FASSET felt that a strong focus was needed on getting
learners work ready so that they could move rapidly into full time employment.
FASSET’s main challenges remained the quality of education provided at schools
and tertiary intuitions and the lack of training facilities for residents in
rural areas. Its goals were to improve these aspects in what ever way they
could and improve the tracking and monitoring systems within the SETA.
Discussion
Ms L Mahlohaela (ID) queried the recent provision of driving skills to
the FASSET learners and questioned whether provisions had been made to cater
for the disabled in the provision of these driving skills.
Ms James responded that to date driving courses had not been offered to the
disabled, however this would be aimed at in the future.
Wholesale and Retail SETA (W&RSETA) briefing
Mr Joel Dikgole (CEO) presented. W&RSETA objectives included
communication, increased training, sustainable developments, assisting
specified groups in the location and maintenance of work and prioritising
necessary skills to achieve these goals. W&RSETA stated that on all fronts
it had met its goals. There had been much progress in establishing learnerships
in many of the provinces with exposure to skills development initiatives and
new ventures. Long term goals for W&R SETA were the inclusion of small
firms in learnership projects as this was a sensible way to monitor learners
and expose them to the field (see document).
Discussion
Ms N Ntwanambi (ANC) noted that in the presentation the spread of the
learnerships was quite big, but then in the Western Cape it was restricted to
one area, the West Coast. She queried this, and asked how this would be remedied.
On the matter of call centres and abuse of their employees, she asked how this
was monitored and commented that sometimes the SETAs were an indirect cause of
the problem.
On the uneven spread of learnerships, Mr Dikgole replied that more attention needed
to be given to ‘drill down’ and attempt to pick up the areas where there were a
high density of learners. With regard to the casual status of workers, he
affirmed that their interactions with companies resulted in those employed
being employed on a full time basis.
Public Service Sector Education and Training Authority (PSETA) briefing
Ms Renee Deschamp presented. The presentation briefly outlined what skills
this SETA provided and what their achievements were for the past year with
regard to the provinces. PSESTA’s goals focus on supporting national and
provincial initiatives and provincial growth strategies, as well as specific
initiatives such as 2010. Future plans for the organisation were outlined such
as promoting closer relations with national and provincial departments. The
financial challenges faced by PSETA were also outlined, particularly the lack
of the 1% levy that was afforded to other SETAs and not to this specific one.
Furthermore the overall lack of funding slowed down many processes and
prevented the SETA from performing at its full capacity.
Discussion
Mr J Sibiya (ANC) said that looking at the presentation, despite lack of
funding, it seemed that the SETA was still able to ensure quality.
Ms Deschamp replied that with regard to quality assurance, it was due to the
incredibly hard working, highly skilled, dedicated team that maintained the
quality at the level desired.
Ms S Mabe commented that it was clear that some provinces benefited while
others did not. She suggested that the SETAs learn from each other and perhaps
foot the bill for learners to come from surrounding provinces.
Ms Deschamp noted that this was possible and that indeed they did draw people
from various provinces.
In conclusion, the Chair encouraged committee members to make actual visits of
the different sectors within the provinces in order to fully assess the impact
of these SETAs.
The
meeting was adjourned.
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