Sector Education and Training Authorities’ briefing on Updated Programmes

LABOUR AND PUBLIC ENTERPRISES SELECT COMMITTEE
12 September 2006
SECTOR EDUCATION AND TRAINING AUTHORITIES’ BRIEFING ON UPDATED PROGRAMMES

Chairperson: Ms M Themba (ANC)

Documents handed out
Powerpoint presentations by Sector Training Authorities:
Insurance SETA
Food and Beverage SETA
Forest Industries SETA
Chemical Industries SETA
Media Advertising Publishing Printing and Packaging (Incorporating Arts and Culture) SETA
Agricultural SETA
Mining Qualifications Authority SETA
Engineering and Related Services SETA

SUMMARY
The Committee was briefed by the eight Sector and Education Training Authorities on their updated programmes and progress reports. Each SETA tabled the statistics in regard to learnerships and training, their involvement with the Further Education and Training Colleges, the placement of learners and the gender and race studies. Most of the SETAs noted that they were not fully represented in all nine provinces and that this was sometimes a problem.

Members commented generally that they found it very difficult to understand all the acronyms used in the presentations and asked that these be properly explained at the outset in future. They also commented that the time given for presentations was very short. General questions by Members related to the involvement of co operatives, whether placements were the end of the process, monitoring of learners trained entering industry, strategies to upgrade NQF4 qualifications, equity and race statistics and partnerships with FET Colleges. Specific questions were asked about the position of funeral insurance brokers and retrenchments in the insurance sector. The Forestry sector was asked about fire-fighting. The Food and Beverage sector was questioned on the position of artisans and clarity was sought on some projects. The Media and advertising sector were questioned on their disability projects and programmes.

The Chairperson noted that a workshop would be held away from Parliament at a later date, when the SETAs would have more time to give in depth presentations to the Committee.

MINUTES
Briefing by Insurance SETA (INSETA)
Ms Shirley Steenkamp ((Skills Development Manager, INSETA) highlighted INSETA’s achievements in terms of the Department of Labour’s evaluation, where it had achieved 115 % in the final performance assessment. She explained that INSETAs major focus was on training skills development facilitators in the various Provinces, because it believed that the skills revolution would be driven by well trained skills development facilitators. INSETA had also developed career guides and ran seminars throughout the country, distributing these career guides to schools and the Provincial Departments of Education. INSETA had specifically trained 60 skills development facilitators using the career guides. With regard to the work-place skills plans and training reports (WSP/ATR), it was explained that INSETA was better represented in Gauteng, KwaZulu-Natal and the Western Cape. She noted that this was not reflective of levy payers because many of the small companies did not submit the WSP/ATR documents because it was financially not worth their while. The INSETA was working hard to build representivity in the various Provinces. A large number of workers were concentrated in Gauteng, the Western Cape and KwaZulu-Natal, while a small number existed in the rest of the Provinces. The INSETA was estimated to have 102 000 formally employed people in the sector, and about 40 to 50 000 non-formally employed people, such as those who sold funeral policies. INSETA focused on the non-formally employed. 

With regard to the Provincial Skills Development Forums, the INSETA has been invited and subsequently participated in skills development exhibitions in the Eastern Cape, Western Cape and the North West. While the INSETA had no regional offices it has established steering committees and had contracted regional advisors in five provinces. Many learners were at level three, four or five, with a very small Adult Basic Education and Training (ABET) sector. INSETA believed that careers in this sector were very important. The placement of learners has been an ongoing challenge for the INSETA and also for other institutions such as FETs, Universities and Technikons. All 144 learners previously on internships had been placed and that the National Skills Fund (NSF) learnership programme yielded a 40%placement rate. INSETA was currently conducting studies to see where and how many learners are being placed in companies. She noted that the sector would continue to move beyond the challenges of gender and equity with regard to internships in the different provinces.

FET colleges traditionally serviced the different environments, and Ms Steenkamp noted that there were still challenges in terms of their curricula. INSETA has signed memoranda of understanding for Provincial Departments of Education through their agreement with Umalusi. It had also engaged various FET colleges and had had very successful learnership programmes. It was noted that the Financial Advisors and Intermediary Services Act required every person who sold a policy to have a minimum level of education. INSETA realized that its funeral brokers might not have the minimum level of standard seven or NQF1, thus there was a very strong focus on ABET. The sector needed skills and learnerships at levels five, six and seven.

INSETA would be establishing a regional presence through Circuit Regional Advisors in provinces such as Limpopo and the North West. It would continue to participate in Provincial skills development exhibitions, as well as build on existing relationships with Provincial Education Departments and various education and training institutions. Although the insurance sector was not often seen as a growth sector, the advent of an emerging black middle class with disposable income offered a huge new market with great job and growth potential. INSETA’s projects were directly linked to ASGISA, and INSETA had strategies in place to bring new people to the sector in terms of employment equity.

Briefing by the Forest Industries Education Authority (FIETA)
Mr Simangaliso Mkhwanazi (CEO: FIETA) reported that FIETA had four sub-industries namely; pulp and paper manufacturing, wood processing, forestry, and furniture manufacturing. With regard to forestry, it was noted that planting had slowed down dramatically because of the restrictions on both land and water. The industry was shrinking because of a shortage of timber. In terms of the ventures that FIETA was involved in, Kwa-Mbonambi in KwaZulu-Natal was in the process of retrenching staff because of land and water restrictions and because of exports. FIETA wanted to ensure that projects were started for those who had been retrenched so that they could start their own businesses or ventures. ABET had also been started in KwaZulu-Natal to support farmers. In the Eastern Cape, FIETA focused on saw milling and skills training of unemployed people  Problems arose in this province in regard to learnerships, since most of the providers were not in the province. In Western Cape, the focus was on furniture manufacturing. It was highlighted that FIETA supported Stellenbosch University, who had started an internet portal for small forest sector businesses to skill them and grow their businesses. It was noted that there were many unaccredited providers in Mpumalanga that were doing work in the forestry sector. Mr Mkhwanazi explained that there had not been enough intervention into the Limpopo area. The focus in Limpopo was mainly furniture manufacturing and forestry. It was noted that there were only two learnerships in Limpopo, which was attributed to the fact that most employers were not present in this Province. The Free State, North West and Northern Cape were similar to Limpopo, with very few learnerships or interventions running in these areas, as forestry was very limited and the focus was on furniture manufacturing. The same was true also of Gauteng..

Mr Mkhwanazi noted that in Johannesburg, FIETA was working with abused women, training them in furniture manufacturing. He noted that, in terms of accredited providers, most were involved in furniture manufacturing while very few were involved in pulp and paper manufacturing. FIETA was currently doing work with various FETs in the country. In terms of its future plans, the Chris Hani district municipality and the Ukuhlamba district municipality projects are regarded as long-term projects.

Briefing by Food and Beverage Manufacturing SETA (FOODBEV)  
Mr Ravin Deonarain (CEO, FOODBEV SETA) reported on the Food and Beverages Manufacturing (FOODBEV SETA) progress to date. He explained that this SETA covered five chambers of the economy, namely, beverages, dairy, food processing, food preparation products and the baking sector. He noted that FOODBEV SETA had a proud tradition, of exceeding National Skills Development targets. The FOOD BEV SETA had had positive customer satisfaction results and had managed to obtain unqualified audit reports. It had also received support to the tune of R22 million from the National Skills Fund (NSF). In terms of the provinces, one of the targets of the FOODBEV SETA was to support non-government organisations and co-ops. In terms of new venture creation, the FOODBEV SETA was working with various training providers, accrediting them as skills providers. Mr Deonanrain noted that FOODBEV SETA would, wherever possible, enter partnerships with big business (such as Premier Foods). It was noted that the Provincial spread of learners unfortunately mirrored the Provincial spread of companies within the Food and Beverage sector. He explained however, that the SETA was looking into stimulating development in areas where these companies did not exist. With regard to the equity profile of learners, the FOODBEV SETA has exceeded the targets set by the Department of Labour, with African females highly represented. In terms of FOODBEV SETA’s contribution to ASGISA, research had been conducted into the scarce skills in the sector, with artisan training being highlighted as an urgent need. The SETA had engaged with various FET colleges to provide the skills needed. With regard to future plans, there was an agreement with the Department that the NSF funding would be used to develop scarce skills in the sector.


Briefing by Media Advertising Publishing Printing and Packaging (incorporating Arts and Culture) (MAPPP) SETA
Ms Melanie Bernard-Fryer (CEO, MAPPP SETA) presented the Media Advertising Publishing Printing and Packaging (incorporating Arts and Culture) SETA’s progress on its programmes to date. It was noted that Arts and Culture was now incorporated into the MAPPP SETA. The SETA had met or exceeded most of the Department’s NSDS targets. There were three regional offices in Gauteng, the Western Cape and KwaZulu-Natal. These offices serviced other Provinces. MAPPP SETA was in the process of establishing four regional liaison committees, though this would not necessarily be considered as a physical presence in these provinces. Ms Bernard-Fryer complimented Umalusi on their supportiveness of the MAPPP SETA. It was noted that the Arts and Culture chamber has been formalised by the MAPPP SETA as the seventh chamber, and, although they were the lowest levy-paying member, they were the largest. The value they added to MAPPP SETA was immeasurable. The MAPP SETA believed that money should be spent where scarce and critical skills had been identified.

MAPPP SETA had supported 80 interns for workplace-based experience. With regard to New Venture Creation, MAPPP SETA had already appointed training providers in the various provinces. It was noted that the Supply-Chain Management Framework was taken very seriously and all service providers were appointed through this framework. It was noted that the advertising and media industry was highly specialized, and whilst the assessor and moderator qualification might be generic, people were needed that had specific skills. MAPPP SETA had trained over 1000 assessors and moderators in different provinces. A relocation allowance for learners who lived far from training centres was also provided. As far as progress in the provinces was concerned, MAPPP SETA was concerned about the apprentices, most of whom were males. This was because the industry required physical strength, and therefore largely excluded females. A quota system had now been put in place where money was not provided unless females were also taken on. MAPPP SETA aimed, as a priority, to get females into the artisan trades. The MAPPP SETA was also establishing a geographical quota into its draft system, where a relocation allowance was given to learners from remote provinces. It was noted that community media was now being supported, with all future advertising being conducted through this medium. MAPPP SETA had started a bursary scheme in the Eastern Cape, benefiting students from rural areas and covering full tuition, accommodation and books. With regard to the placement of learners, the MAPPP SETA has just implemented a management information system. Mrs Bernard-Fryer noted that all information on learner placements could not be given until all the correct information from the management information system was retrieved. MAPP SETA had supported the FETs through funding and was in the process of awarding discretionary grants to FET colleges in three provinces. 

In regard to MAPPP SETAs future plans, a R15 000 incentive had been introduced for employers recruiting learners with disabilities, although it was a shame that the SETA had to resort to this to persuade employers with money to take on learners with disabilities. Much of the MAPPP SETA’s future plans focused on the 2010 FIFA Soccer World Cup, with learnerships being created in the different sectors. It was noted that the SETA was on a marketing drive to ensure that levies from government departments were received and that it was already in talks with the various government role-players. Unfortunately there was still confusion around whether government departments were obliged to pay levies. Lastly, the MAPPP SETA had secured a scarce and critical skills NSF funded project that would operate in all nine Provinces, creating 571 learnerships and 480 internships. She noted that the SETA was looking strictly at meeting its equity targets to this regard.

Briefing by the Agriculture SETA (AGRISETA)
Mr Machiel van Niekerk (CEO, AGRI SETA) presented the Agriculture SETAs updated programmes. It had exceeded the NSDS targets by 1200% but most of the learners were on ABET level one and two and were not studying numeracy. This, according to Mr van Niekerk, was a serious problem. The SETA had instituted a scheme so that learners could go up to level two in terms of communication but would not be allowed to go to levels three and above unless numeracy had been completed on level one or two. As far as learnerships were concerned, the AGRI SETA has again exceeded targets. With regard to learnerships and skills programmes, the SETA would only train people who had access to land. Mr van Niekerk explained that AGRI SETA had only 23 full-time staff members who could not possibly attend all the meetings and one of the major challenges facing the AGRI SETA was that it did not have a permanent presence in the provinces. He tabled and explained the equity breakdown. He noted that at the higher levels, in terms of the NQF, there were probably more white people employed.

AGRI SETA was involved with and provided support to FET colleges around the country. The SETA worked in close partnership with the National Department of Agriculture in supporting community based co-operatives. It was explained that the AGRI SETA could only give support in terms of the training and development, while the capital infrastructure was seen as part of trade and industry. Thus the AGRI-SETA was working closely with Trade and Industry in the support of co-operatives. He explained that more than 50 000 applications had been received for skills training programmes but AGRI-SETA could only accommodate 1000 people. The problem was funding allocation. It was explained that there was no way that AGRI SETA would be able to support land reform beneficiaries to the extent that it would like to. He argued that the model that most SETAs were currently using was not applicable to the Agricultural sector. He commented that if everyone was really serious about land reform, these issues would be addressed. He made a number of recommendations that would help the AGRI SETA (see presentation)

Briefing: Chemical Industries Education and Training Authority (CHIETA)
Dr R Patel (CEO, CHIETA) briefed the Committee on the Chemical Industries Education and Training Authorities’ progress to date. He indicated that this SETA’s greatest achievement was reaching its equity targets. The CHIETA was able to disburse 133% in grants, getting rid of all its excess funding. The CHIETA had made applications for R120 million worth of funding, yet only had R21 million available. It was further noted that the ABET level achievement was over 96%, and CHIETA aimed to raise this to 100%. Earlier this year, the CHIETA had received a R24 million NSF incentive to bring on board scarce and critical skills to the industry. This was in addition to a R60 million grant to bring in 1236 people. CHIETA had also exceeded NSDS targets. He explained that, in terms of regional outreach, CHIETA had participated in the growth and development strategies of the North West Province. With regard to the importation of labour by companies, CHIETA had said that this could be allowed any longer and had set aside R25 million on a special project to train chemical shutdown workers. It was noted that there was a great placement of learners in this area. The CHIETA supported FET colleges in the various Provinces. Dr Patel noted that it cost CHIETA about R30 000 to put an apprentice through an FET, while it costs about R60 000 to put that same learner through a private college. He explained that CHIETA did not work exclusively with FETs but tried to marry the FET to a higher institution or company, such as SASOL. With regard to plans for the future, he noted that CHIETA was beginning to work with other SETAs in generic manufacturing, engineering and technology so as not to compete with other SETAs, but to develop common skills.

Briefing by the Mining Qualifications Authority (MQA)
Mr L Negovhela (CEO, MQA) explained that the MQA had exceeded most NSDS targets set by the Department of Labour although one target relating to new venture creation was a challenge. This was because it was hard to create new ventures, given the industries being dealt with.  He noted that the MQA had developed a strategy to support beneficiation in terms of skills development. The country would now be able, through the amendments to the Diamond and Precious Metals Acts, to have access to these resources. It was explained that the MQA could not have offices in all provinces but could have a presence in each province. Each province had Skills Development Facilitators who liaised with the MQA frequently. The various provincial breakdowns were explained and it was noted that Gauteng and the North West Province contained the bulk of programmes because of the proliferation of mines in those areas.

In terms of support provided to FET Colleges, it was noted that support was initially provided to FET Colleges wishing to obtain MQA Programme accreditation. Support had now been extended to a number of other services, such as ISO 9000 training and internship opportunities for FET managers. It was explained that a partnership programme, involving FET colleges and Mining companies, had been established in order for them to develop close working relations.

Briefing by Manufacturing, Engineering and Related Services SETA (MERSETA).
Mr Wayne Adams (Acting CEO, MERSETA) was given only five minutes to present the Manufacturing, Engineering, and Related Services SETA progress report. He briefly explained that the SETA had achieved and exceeded most of its NSDS targets. With regard to the provinces and progress reports, it was noted that MERSETA was fairly involved in all Provinces, having a regional presence in six of the nine provinces. There needed to be some co-ordination between the provinces with regard to SETA activities. It was noted that a bursary scheme had been set up in the various provinces that benefited 211 learners. Mr Adams admitted that the MERSETA still faced challenges with regard to learner tracking and placement and was working on this issue. With regard to support provided to FET Colleges, the MERSETA provided support for capacity building in the various FET Colleges, where they assisted with the training of assessors and moderators and accreditation assistance. Capacity building would continue to be a part of the MERSETA’s future plan. The MERSETA would continue to identify scarce skills to be funded by grants received by the NSF.

Discussion
Many of the questions raised by members were general questions.

Ms N Ntwanambi (ANC, Western Cape) commented to all presenters that she had a problem with the numerous  acronyms and asked if these could be explained in future. She also wanted to know if there would be a session with the SETAs where all this information could be explained. She noted that very little reference had been made to co-ops, and asked what was being done in this regard.

Mr Mkwhanazi responded that the FIETA was working with four co-ops, two of which were in Limpopo and KwaZulu-Natal and was trying to bring these into the mainstream.

Ms N Mngoma (Arts & Culture Chamber Manager, MAPPP SETA) responded that in the Arts and Culture sector there were no employers willing to absorb learners and therefore, the Arts and Culture chamber has started co-ops to help sustain businesses started by learners.

Ms Ntwanambi asked INSETA, why brokers who sold funeral policies were classified as unemployed.

Mrs Steenkamp responded that they were termed non-formal because they are not formally employed by the companies. She noted that a different configuration of this name was being investigated. Many of these workers were subcontracted to contractors. They were of concern to INSETA, which was focusing projects on them to ensure that there was some level of recognition of their skills and also to ensure that they were raised up to the levels required by the Financial Advisory Services Act.

Ms Ntwanambi asked FIETA, what was being done about retrenchments in the sector. She also asked FIETA whether Fire Fighting, which was raised during the presentation, occurred only in plantations under the FIETA, or if this was more general. Ms Ntwanambi noted that very little furniture was manufactured locally and asked what FIETA was doing about this. Finally she and Ms S Mabe (ANC, Free State) asked FIETA to expound on the abused women project.

Mr Mkwhanazi responded that fire fighting interventions were limited to forest fires as the industry lost a lot of money from these fires. He noted that, with regard to furniture manufacturing, most manufacturing happened within South Africa, although some wood was obviously exported. With reference to the abused women issue, it was noted that while investigating NGOs to support, the FIETA came across an NGO who ran a shelter for abused women, and this NGO was considered a worthy cause.

Ms Ntwanambi asked the FOODBEV SETA  who did the ratings that had resulted in their achievement of 115%. She also asked for clarification on the Paarl project and whether it still existed.

Mr Deonarain responded that the Sasko Sally project in the Paarl area was still operating. He noted that the project was recently awarded a grant to assist them to become accredited as a training provider. He offered to provide the committee with all the details on the project.

Ms Ntwanambi asked MAPPP SETAs about its disability programmes, and also sought clarification on the research that was being done by the SETA.

Mrs Bernard-Fryer responded that there would always be research on disabilities as there was on skills development. The research was to ensure that the SETA was on the right track concerning its programmes benefiting the disabled. It was noted that due to time constraints, the SETAs could not go into depth with their presentations and ideally a workshop lasting one or two full days was required to explain everything to the Committee.

Mr T Setona (ANC, Free State) asked MAPPP SETA for clarification on the programmes of assistance to people in different areas. Mr T Setona asked FIETA, with regard to retrenchments in forestry, what kind of skills were given to retrenched people in order for them to start their own projects. 

Mrs Bernard-Fryer responded that all MAPPP SETA qualifications and programmes had an ABET component, but if a person did not need to undergo this training first, then he or she was not required to do it.

Mr D Gamede (KwaZulu-Natal) asked generally, with regard to the placement of learners, if placement was the end of the process and whether the SETAs had a strategy with regard to placement. Secondly, he wanted to know what the SETAs were doing about learner relocations.

Mrs Steenkamp responded that INSETA recognised that the issue of placements was difficult, but that INSETA had to investigate it properly. The mechanism that was now employed was to get a commitment from the companies that before the learner signed off, the INSETA would know exactly what was going to happen to that learner. INSETA was following up on every single learner and was busy with complex tracer studies. She noted that there was a portal on the INSETA website that encouraged both the companies and learners to place information on placement on to the system.  

Mr Mkwhanazi replied that FIETA had managed to get SAPPI and MONDI to agree to give people service contracts once they had completed their studies. With reference to learner relocations, it was noted that Gauteng and KwaZulu-Natal had the most providers and thus specialised training was done in these areas. Learners then had to be relocated to these areas to obtain specific skills because the providers preferred these colleges.

Mrs Bernard-Fryer noted that relocation allowances were given to learners to allow them to ensure that they came to the hubs where they could find employers.  

With regard to NQF4 training, Mr Gamede asked what plans or strategies were in place to ensure that higher qualifications were achieved at NQF6. Mr Gamede wanted to know how many previously disadvantaged people were being trained to actually be employers, rather than employees.

Mrs Steenkamp responded that, in terms of the level 4 NQF issue, the INSETA was focusing on trying to better the qualifications of learners to NQF 5, 6, and 7

Mr Gamede commented, with reference to FIETA, that there is no benefit to the forestry sector, if wood was being exported and manufactured goods were being sold back to the country. He wanted to know what was being done about this. It was also noted that most furniture manufacturers’ factories were in Gauteng and not in KwaZulu-Natal, where forestry was a major income producer, and thus there was a need to reconcile service providers and manufacturers.

Mr Gamede asked the FOODBEV SETA exactly what types of artisans were needed by the SETA.

Mrs S Hammond (Vice Chair, FOODBEV SETA) responded that the food and beverage industry was characterized by a small number of very large companies that aimed to export. Thus there was first-world technology and the artisans needed were those working in high-speed bottling and canning. The challenge was that very few apprentices had been in progress of becoming qualified. The FOODBEV SETA had tried to be proactive by identifying the shortage of artisans, and by trying to fast-track the training of skilled artisans. Those who were already studying towards an N2 in a college would qualify for apprenticeships in companies. She noted that she would be happy to take members of the committee on site visits.

Ms P Hollander (ANC, Northern Cape) asked, with regard to the numbers given in presentations on equity and race, if black females included coloured and Indian females, or whether this referred purely to African females. She noted the lack of co-ordination that was hampering SETAs in the provinces and enquired what could be done to solve this problem.

Mr Mkwhanazi responded that his presentation’s figures for black females included coloured and Indian females. He noted that when reporting to the Department the presentation would be broken down into the different races, but that this was not done in this presentation.

Mrs Bernard-Fryer explained that the SETA did have to provide a breakdown to the Department on Black, meaning all historically disadvantaged women.

Ms S E Mabe (ANC, Free State) asked FIETA what was being done to ensure that people are registered.

Mr Mkhwanazi responded that FIETA was currently running an intervention where, through business association and co-ops, contractors were getting people to register, for example with SARS. He said that he could not remember the three service providers but that this information would be made available to the committee. 

Ms Mabe asked the FOODBEV SETA whether partnerships were already in place with FET colleges, and if not, when they would be.

Mr Deonarain responded that the FOODBEV SETA was at an advanced stage of negotiation with FET colleges.

Mr D G Mkono (ANC, Eastern Cape) raised the issue of equity in the sector, asking whether the SETAs had strategies in place to ensure a more equitable distribution of employment

Mrs Steenkamp noted that the vast majority of people at senior levels were still white males and females. The INSETA has established a Black Brokers’ Council who looked at Broad Based Black Economic Empowerment (BBBEE). The INSETA was also very aware of the Financial Services Charter targets and its programmes were geared to ensuring that demographics were correct.

Mr N Hendricks (UIF, Western Cape) asked if SETAs were talking to each other about scarce skills. He commented that the FOODBEV SETA provided no numbers on what they were doing. He also raised the issue of only two learnerships in a province, noting that this was unacceptable.

Mr Mkwhanazi responded that there was a lot of training in the provinces that was not shown in the presentation but was available in the Work-Place Skills plan. He noted that there was one main employer in the Limpopo who was willing to take these two learners, and that there were serious problems to this regard.

The Chairperson asked what monitoring mechanisms were in place to ensure that all people in all provinces, trained by SETAs, were being utilized in industries. With reference to the INSETA, she wanted clarification on activities in other provinces. She also questioned whether there were monitoring mechanisms to ensure that people were doing the right thing when selling policies, particularly to people in rural areas

Mrs Steenkamp responded that because of the Financial Advisors and Intermediary Services Act, all people selling insurance had to be registered with the Financial Services Board. The INSETA was required to develop skills and fund skills development to ensure that learners were able to be registered. The INSETA would provide the committee with contact details of the various people in the Provinces.

The Chairperson asked FOODBEV SETA to provide the committee with contact persons in each of the provinces so that the committee could be able to visit these projects, and also could contact them about community complaints.

Mr Deonarain responded that he would be happy to provide the contact details of all representatives in the Provinces to the committee.

The Chairperson congratulated the MAPPP SETA on its gender sensitivity, but asked if the committee could be provided with more information in terms of the new venture creation learnerships.

Mrs Bernard-Fryer responded that all information would be forwarded to the Committee. She suggested a meeting spanning a day for all information to be thoroughly explained.

The Chairperson stated that the Committee would arrange for a workshop with all the SETAs, away from Parliament, where these presentations could be explained in depth. She thanked all the SETAs for their presentations.

The meeting was adjourned.