Socio-Economic Development: Audit Report on Legislation and International Instruments; planning for public hearings

02 November 2005
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JOINT AD-HOC COMMITTEE ON SOCIO-ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT

JOINT AD-HOC COMMITTEE ON SOCIO-ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
2 November 2005
SUBMISSIONS FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS: CONSIDERATION; FINAL AUDIT REPORTS ON SOCIO-ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT: CONSIDERATION

Chairperson:
Mr M Mohlaloga (ANC)

Documents handed out:
Final Audit Report on Socio-Economic International Instruments
Final Audit Report on Socio-Economic Legislation passed since 1994
List of Submissions for Public Hearings on African Peer Review Mechanism
Committee Programme of Action
Kagisano Group Holdings Ltd. African Peer Review Mechanism Submission
Ithemba Community Development Trust Submission
Official minutes of this meeting

SUMMARY
The Committee considered the programme for the public hearings on the African Peer Review Mechanism (APRM) that would be held in Braamfontein, Gauteng, from 7-9 November 2005. The programme was drafted on the basis of submissions already received, but late submissions would be accepted until 3 November. The stakeholders who had already made submissions represented many sectors of society, although little had been received from the Information and Computer Technology (ICT), water, and electricity sectors.

Members were concerned that the submissions process should favour previously disadvantaged communities, and also asked how the Committee budget of R5.5 million was being spent. The Committee budget had not yet been approved by the Secretary of Parliament.

The Committee considered the Final Audit Report on Socio-Economic International Instruments and the Final Audit Report on Socio-Economic Legislation passed since 1994. Members asked whether the Committee would evaluate SA’s compliance with resolutions taken in forums such as the Southern African Development Community (SADC), the Pan-African Parliament (PAP), and the Inter-Parliamentary Union (IPU).

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Submissions for Public Hearings on African Peer Review Mechanism
Ms N Manjezi, Control Committee Secretary, explained that the programme for the public hearings on the African Peer Review Mechanism (APRM) that would be held in Braamfontein, Gauteng, from 7-9 November 2005, was drafted on the basis of submissions already received. The Treatment Action Campaign (TAC) would make its submission on 3 November. Ms Manjezi had sent a copy of the programme to the Parliamentary Constituency Office and instructed it to ‘popularise’ the submissions process among all 42 constituencies. She had also sent a letter to the Gauteng Legislature that informed it of the public hearings. Some of the stakeholders had requested financial assistance to attend the hearings, and Ms Manjezi would draw up a memorandum of the requests subject to the Committee’s approval.

The Chairperson added that although the closing date for submissions had passed, the Committee was being flexible, and would accept all submissions made by 3 November. The stakeholders who had already made submissions represented many sectors of society, although little had been received from the Information and Computer Technology (ICT), water, and electricity sectors. At the hearings, each presenter would be allocated 30 minutes to address the Committee and answer questions.

Mr S Njikelana (ANC) commented that the APRM should build confidence in civil society and therefore the Committee should be flexible about receiving late submissions so that as many stakeholders as possible could be present at the hearings. The submissions process was one of ‘trial and error’ due to its speed. However, the Committee should analyse the ‘geo-social origins’ of the submissions and determine how they were spread across wealthy and poorer provinces. This analysis would help the Committee in the future as the APRM required a cyclical submissions process that should be biased towards previously disadvantaged communities.

The Committee should monitor the communications system that publicised the submissions process, as some sectors, such as ICT, water, and electricity had not responded. The Committee should present to the Joint Rules Committee a policy on travel subsidies for stakeholders attending the hearings, and this should favour previously disadvantaged communities.

Mr Njikelana observed that the Public Service Accountability Monitor (PSAM) should be able to pay its travel expenses for the public hearings as it was based at Rhodes University. He also noted that the Qabuka AIDS Project, which had applied for a travel subsidy for the hearings, was trading as Mandisa Estate Agency. The Committee should respond to this stakeholder as Qabuka AIDS Project so that the public would not question the funding of a commercial entity.

The Chairperson responded that the Committee would sponsor one presenter from the PSAM to attend the hearings, and the PSAM could then pay for the rest of its delegation. Mr Njikelana enquired whether PSAM would use 30 minutes for its presentation at the hearings. The Chairperson replied that PSAM had made four submissions and would be allocated 30 minutes per submission at the hearings.

The Chairperson suggested that in areas where the Committee had received few submissions, such as ICT, water, electricity, and housing, the Secretary should enter into correspondence with stakeholders.


Mr Njikelana suggested that stakeholders who were unable to attend the public hearings should be able to make written submissions. For example, an ICT research group at the University of the Witwatersrand (Wits) should be allowed to make a written submission even though the programme for the public hearings was full.

The Chairperson replied that the Committee would invite the ICT research group from Wits to the public hearings in order to make the hearings as representative as possible. Stakeholders who made late submissions or were invited late would be scheduled to make their presentations on the final day of the hearings.

Mr Njikelana noted that if the submissions process had started earlier, the Committee would have been ‘flooded’ with submissions. The Chairperson added that many organisations had expressed an interest in observing the public hearings.

Ms Manjezi stated that the cost for the Committee to use the Parktonian Hotel in Braamfontein, Gauteng for the public hearings was R32 700 for three days. She would check whether the office of the Secretary to Parliament had approved this budget.

The Chairperson expressed concern about the budget for the public hearings. The Committee was originally asked to conduct public hearings at the Gauteng Legislature; however, the cost of transport to this venue was prohibitive.

Mr Njikelana queried whether the budget for the APRM had been approved. The Chairperson answered that the Joint Co-ordinating Committee for the APRM had not yet adopted the proposed joint budget of R5.5 million. The joint budget was supposed to be consolidated from the budgets of the participating committees. When the Committee proposed its budget, the other committees had not yet done so.

Mr Njikelana asked how the money budgeted for the APRM would be spent.

The Chairperson replied that the budget had not been finalised. The original budget for the APRM was R9 million, but this had decreased to R5.5 million. Committee costs were high, and the bulk of the Committee’s budget would be allocated to advertising and the public hearings. The Committee’s programme had been adopted, and the programme had financial implications. The Secretary of Parliament would approve the Committee’s budget that day.

Mr Njikelana noted that the Committee was appointed by the Speaker of Parliament rather than the Secretary of Parliament, and therefore the Speaker should make the final decision on the Committee’s budget.

Ms Manjezi commented that the Speaker instructed the Committee to make concessions for stakeholders who were unable to make written submissions.

Mr Njikelana felt enthusiastic about allowing oral submissions, but said that the Committee should interrogate how the Speaker’s directive ‘would translate into resource allocation’.

Final Audit Reports on Socio-Economic Development
Mr Z Mvulane, Committee Researcher, presented to the Committee the Final Audit Report on Socio-Economic International Instruments and the Final Audit Report on Socio-Economic Legislation passed since 1994. The Committee had engaged with the audit reports in previous meetings. The Final Audit Report on Socio-Economic International Instruments highlighted those instruments (such as the African Charter on the Rights and Welfare of the Child) that were listed as standards and codes in the APRM questionnaire. The Final Audit Report on Socio-Economic Legislation passed since 1994 included a summary of each relevant piece of legislation.

Mr Njikelana observed that the African Union (AU) was referred to in the Final Audit Report on Socio-Economic International Instruments, and noted that South Africa was also part of other international ‘platforms’ such as the Southern African Development Community (SADC), the Pan-African Parliament (PAP), and the Inter-Parliamentary Union (IPU). He enquired whether the Committee would evaluate South Africa’s compliance with resolutions taken in these forums, and whether the Committee would focus only on international conventions and protocols, or if it would also look at resolutions taken at the IPU.

Mr Mvulane said that he would investigate the regional institutional agreements that South Africa was party to. Other committees on governance were also evaluating South Africa’s compliance with regional agreements.

Mr Njikelana suggested that the Committee test the Socio-Economic Legislation passed since 1994 against the International Instruments to determine whether international legislation was fulfilled in Acts of Parliament.

The Chairperson responded that, as part of the APRM, the Committee would evaluate South Africa’s compliance with international resolutions to which it had subscribed. However, the Committee would not test Socio-Economic Legislation against the International Instruments as it would assume that South Africa’s legal framework responded to international legislation.

The Chairperson added that the Committee would determine its function within the APRM through a process of ‘trial and error’. Of the countries reviewed by the APRM, South Africa was the first to involve Parliament in the process, and other countries would learn from the process followed by South Africa.

The meeting was adjourned.


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