Question & Repiles No 1726 to 1750

2009-11-05

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NATIONAL ASSEMBLY

FOR WRITTEN REPLY

QUESTION NO 1750

DATE OF PUBLICATION IN INTERNAL QUESTION PAPER: 16 OCTOBER 2009

(INTERNAL QUESTION PAPER NO 22 - 2009)

Date reply submitted : 15 December 2009

Mrs D A Schäfer (DA) to ask the Minister of Police:

With reference to his reply to Question 1098 on 6 October 2009, (a) what are the dates that each training centre in each province received accreditation with the Safety and Security Sector Education and Training Authority, (b) how many members can be trained at each facility, (c) how many (i) permanent SA Police Service officers and (ii) reservists have been trained at (aa) the unaccredited training centre in each province in terms of the new Firearms Control Amendment Act, Act 28 of 2006, and (bb) each training facility before each of the facilities received accreditation, (d) how many (i) SAPS members and (ii) reservists are still training in order to qualify for their firearm licenses in terms of the said act, (e) what is the process of applying for recognition of prior learning and (f) how long does it take?

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REPLY:

(a) Below the quarters in which accreditation was awarded to national and provincial training providers.

Quarter	Dates for quarter during which accredited	National and Provincial Training Provider Names Accredited
2/2004	1 July 2004 to 30 September 2004	Pretoria, Division: Training, Graaff-Reinet, Oudtshoorn, Phillipi, Bhisho, Chatsworth
2/2006	1 July 2006 to 30 September 2006	Ulundi, All Saints, Mthatha, Bishop Lavis
2/2008	1 July 2008 to 30 September 2008	Hammanskraal, Boland, Thabazimbi
3/2008	1 October 2008 to 31 December 2008	Thabong, Paarl, Professional Development Centre, Moloto, Addo
4/2008	1 January 2009 to 31 March 2009	Durban, Pietermaritzburg, Port Shepstone, Eastern Cape
1/2009	1 April 2009 to 30 June 2009	North West (includes shooting ranges at Potchefstroom, Mafikeng and Rustenburg), Limpopo (Appinghamdam), Upington, Springbok, Galeshewe, De Aar, Free State (Boithuso)
2/2009	1 July 2009 to 30 September 2009	New Castle, Ulundi, Eshowe, Faure, George, Paarl

(b) Training Capacity at Accredited Institutions:

BASIC TRAINING INSTITUTIONS (NATIONAL)

Note: Training in terms of the Firearms Act forms part of the 6 month training. The numbers reflected here are the outputs of training over a 6 month period

INSTITUTION (NATIONAL)	PROVINCE SITUATED IN	TRAINEE CAPACITY
SAPS Training Institution Bhisho	Eastern Cape	840
SAPS Training Institution Chatsworth	KwaZulu-Natal	180
SAPS Training Institution Graaff Reinet	Eastern Cape	350
SAPS Training Institution Oudtshoorn	Western Cape	450
SAPS Training Institution Phillipi	Western Cape	700
SAPS Training Institution Pretoria	Gauteng	2050
SAPS Training Institution All Saints	Eastern Cape	206
SAPS Training Institution Bishop Lavis	Western Cape	540
SAPS Training Institution Ulundi	KwaZulu-Natal	144
SAPS Training Institution Mthatha	Eastern Cape	216

IN-SERVICE INSTITUTIONS ( NATIONAL):

NOTE: The duration of courses presented by these Institutions differ in time. The Firearms training forms part of the curricula.

INSTITUTION (NATIONAL)	PROVINCE SITUATED IN	NO OF PERSONNEL THAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED
Hammanskraal	Gauteng	308
Moloto	Gauteng	276
Boland, Paarl	Western Cape	75
Addo	Eastern Cape	150
Thabazimbi	Limpopo	200

MANAGEMENT AND LEADERSHIP

NOTE: The duration of courses presented by these Institutions differ in time. The Firearms training forms part of the curricula.

INSTITUTION	PROVINCE SITUATED IN	NO OF PERSONNEL THAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED
Thabong, Welkom	Free State (National)	75
Paarl	Western Cape (National)	300

PROVINCIAL INSTITUTIONS

PROVINCE	ACCREDITED INSTITUTION	NUMBER OF PERSONS TRAINED AT ONE TIME PER TRAINING SESSION
Gauteng	No accredited institutions	Facilities being assessed. Training (shooting range) occurs at national or other accredited privately owned institutions.
Mpumalanga	No accredited institutions	Facilities being assessed. Training (shooting range) occurs at national or other accredited privately owned institutions.
Limpopo	Appinghamdam	40
North-west	Potchefstroom Mafikeng Rustenburg	40 40 40

PROVINCE	ACCREDITED INSTITUTION	NUMBER OF PERSONS TRAINED AT ONE TIME PER TRAINING SESSION
Free State	Boithuso	30
Eastern Cape	SAPS TI Graaff Reinet SAPS TI Bhisho SAPS TI Addo Denver Quarry Range PE	20 20 20 20
Western Cape	Faure Paarl Southern Cape (George)	25 20 10
KwaZulu-Natal	Ulundi Durban Eshowe Port Shepstone Pietermaritzburg New Castle	20 25 20 25 20 25

(c) how many (i) permanent SA Police Service officers and (ii) reservists have been trained at :

(aa) the unaccredited training centre in each province in terms of the new Firearms Control Amendment Act, Act 28 of 2006, and

(bb) each training facility before each of the facilities received accreditation,

NOTE:

Total number of members attending training in terms of the Firearms Control Amendment Act per province , per provider indicating training provided to members prior to accreditation of training providers and after accreditation of providers for the period 1 April 2004 to 26 October 2009 as per the training administration system on 2009-10-26.

It is not possible to differentiate between permanent members and reservists as they attend the same training to attain proficiency and therefore no differentiation is made.

PROVINCE	PROVIDERS	TOTAL NUMBER OF MEMBERS TRAINED WHILE INSTITUTION WAS NOT ACCREDITED	TOTAL NUMBER OF MEMBERS TRAINED AFTER INSTITUTION ACCREDITED
KWAZULU-NATAL	647 DURBAN DECENTRALISED TRAINING	2109	1926
EASTERN CAPE	556 PROVINCIAL TRAINING EASTERN CAPE	807	1573
EASTERN CAPE	627 EAST LONDON PROV TRAINING EASTERN CAPE	1398	0
EASTERN CAPE	629 UITENHAGE PROV TRAINING EASTERN CAPE	402	0
EASTERN CAPE	636 PORT ELIZABETH PROV TRAINING EASTERN CAPE	163	0
FREE STATE	541 BOITHUSU PROV TRAINING FREE STATE	0	133
FREE STATE	605 EASTERN FS PROV TRAINING FREE STATE	426	0
FREE STATE	606 NORTHERN FS PROV TRAINING FREE STATE	752	0
GAUTENG	543 JOHANNESBURG PROV TRAINING GAUTENG	1989	0
GAUTENG	544 WEST RAND PROV TRAINING GAUTENG	1453	0
GAUTENG	545 EAST RAND PROV TRAINING GAUTENG	2170	0
GAUTENG	546 VAALRAND PROV TRAINING GAUTENG	1	0
GAUTENG	547 SOWETO PROV TRAINING GAUTENG	1217	0
GAUTENG	562 PRETORIA PROV TRAINING GAUTENG	2178	0
GAUTENG	570 NORTH RAND PROV TRAINING GAUTENG	900	0
KWAZULU NATAL	549 PROVINCIAL TRAINING KWAZULU-NATAL	255	0
KWAZULU NATAL	551 NEWCASTLE PROV TRAINING KWAZULU-NATAL	1710	551
KWAZULU NATAL	552 PIETERMATITZBURG PROV TRAINING KWAZULU-NATAL	4253	1167
KWAZULU NATAL	573 UMFOLOZI PROV TRAINING KWAZULU-NATAL	1948	1263
KWAZULU NATAL	574 ULUNDI PROV TRAINING KWAZULU-NATAL	1487	701
KWAZULU NATAL	586 UMZIMKULU PROV TRAINING KWAZULU-NATAL	2235	483
KWAZULU NATAL	594 AREA TRAINING : DURBAN NORTH	3597	0
KWAZULU NATAL	595 AREA TRAINING : DURBAN SOUTH	1853	0
LIMPOPO	524 APPINGENDAM PROV TRAINING LIMPOPO	76	0
LIMPOPO	548 PROVINCIAL TRAINING LIMPOPO	1405	113
MPUMALANGA	558 PROVINCIAL TRAINING MPUMALANGA	2135	0
NATIONAL	516 SAPS TRAINING INSTITUTION-PRETORIA	1884	21749
NATIONAL	521 SAPS TRAINING INSTITUTION-THABAZIMBI	354	125
NATIONAL	527 SAPS TRAINING INSTITUTION-GRAAFF-REINET	0	1729
NATIONAL	537 SAPS TRAINING INSTITUTION-OUDTSHOORN	395	4265
NATIONAL	550 SAPS TRAINING INSTITUTION-CHATSWORTH	1457	176
NATIONAL	555 GRAAFF-REINET ACADEMY	1321	0
NATIONAL	568 SAPS TRAINING INSTITUTION-MOLOTO	1050	229
NATIONAL	569 SAPS TRAINING INSTITUTION-BHISHO	581	8024
NATIONAL	572 SAPS TRAINING INSTITUTION-ADDO	955	70
NATIONAL	617 DIV TRAINING IN DERVICE TRN OPERATIONAL RESPON	0	44
NATIONAL	623 SAPD TRAINING INSTITUTION-PHILIPPI	0	5647
NATIONAL	634 SAPS TRAINING INSTITUTION-ULUNDI	0	857
NATIONAL	637 SAPS TRAINING INSTITUTION-ALL SAINTS	192	1161
NATIONAL	638 SAPS TRAINING INSTITUTION-BISHOP LAVIS	545	2895
NATIONAL	639 SAPS TRAINING INSTITUION-MTHATHA	202	642
NATIONAL	645 DIVISION PROTECTION AND SECURITY SERVICES SDF	10	0
NATIONAL	651 SAPS ETD PRACTITIONERS DEVELPOMENT CENTRE	0	120
NORTH WEST	557 PROVINCIAL TRAINING NORTH-WEST	545	1056
NORTHERN CAPE	590 DIAMOND FIELD PROV TRAINING NORTERN CAPE	812	1031
NORTHERN CAPE	591 UPPER KAROO PROV TRAINING NORTERN CAPE	900	584
NORTHERN CAPE	592 GORDONIA PROV TRAINING NORTHERN CAPE	755	269
NORTHERN CAPE	593 NAMAQUALAND PROV TRAINING NORTHERN CAPE	377	224
WESTERN CAPE	535 BOLAND PROV TRAINING WESTERN CAPE	4357	199
WESTERN CAPE	598 PROVINCIAL IN-SERVICE TRAINING CENTRE WESTERN	8385	2848
WESTERN CAPE	601 SOUTHERN CAPE PROV TRAINING WESTERN CAPE	2739	762
TOTAL		64735	62616

(d) How many SAPS and Reservists are still training to qualify for firearm licenses in terms of the Act?

According to the Persal system, the total number of functional police officers in the SAPS was 148 350 as on 30 September 2009. According to records kept with Division Visible policing, a total number of 20 221 group A reservists are enlisted.

Based on the above numbers and considering that no differentiation between permanent members and reservist (Category A) is being made for the purpose of training in this matter, it is determined that approximately 41 220 members still need to be trainedfor the purpose of the Firearms Control Act.

Considering that a number of members have attended training interventions at a time when the providers were not yet accredited, our commitment to ensure that all members comply with the requirement of the Firearms Control Act by the end of 2010 is firmly on track. Members, who were trained before the training institutions were accredited, will be exposed to the Recognition of Prior Learning process or will be subjected to training to address the requirement of the Act.

(e) The process for Recognition of Prior Learning is:

Screening Phase 1: The evidence which was collected and filed during the Street Survival course will be checked against criteria to determine if the learner qualifies for RPL;

Application phase 2: Learner completes the documentation and is then scheduled to write legal principles. The learner must submit additional information if deemed necessary.

Assessment phase 3: Evidence is assessed and judgment is made regarding the learners demonstrated competency by a registered assessor.

Moderation phase 4: 10% of portfolios will be moderated by a registered moderator

Recording Phase 5: Learner Achievements are recorded. Endorsement of learner achievements by SASSETA

(f) How long does it take (RPL)?

Phases 1-4 can at the shortest period be finalized in two days, depending on the submission of sufficient evidence to demonstrate competence.

Phase 5 is dependent on the SASSETA systems and can take several months.

NATIONAL ASSEMBLY

(For written reply)

QUESTION NO. 1749

INTERNAL QUESTION PAPER NO 22 of 2009

DATE OF PUBLICAlION: 16 October 2009

Mrs A T Lovemore (01\) to ask the Minister of Water and Environmental Affairs:

(i) What (a)(i) is the backlog or applications which require licensing in terms of section 43(1) of the National Environmental Management Amendment Act, Act 62 012008. awaiting processing and approval, (ii) are the reasons for the backlog and (iii) measures are being taken to eliminate the backlog and (b)(i) is the backlog of applications submitted by members of Executive Councils of each province to her office which require her concurrence in terms of sections 49(2) and 50(3) of the Waste Act, Act 54 of 1956, (ii) are the reasons for such backlog and (iii) measures are being taken to eliminate the backlog? NW2244E

1749. THE MINISTER OF WATER AND ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS ANSWERS:

(a)(i) It is not cle3r what is required here, as the National Environmental Management Amendment Act, 2008 (Act No. 62 of 2008) referred to in the question has no section 43. However section 43 of the National Environmental Management Act, 1998 (Act No. 107 of 1998) deals with appeals against decisions on applications submitted in terms of s 20 (b) read with section 43 of the National Environmental Management: Waste Act, Act 59 of 2008.

(ii) and (iii) Not applicable

(b)(i) There is no backlog of applications submitted by Members of Executive Councils in terms of sections 49 (2) and 50(3) of the National Environmental Management: Waste Act, Act 59 of 2008.

(ii) and (iii) Not applicable

QUESTION NO. 1747

INTERNAL QUESTION PAPER NO 22 of 2009

DATE OF PUBLICATION: 16 October 2009

Mrs A T Lovemore (DA) to ask the Minister of Water and Environmental Affairs:

(1) Whether, with reference to the proposed oil refinery to be constructed at the Coega Industrial Development Zone in Nelson Mandela Bay, a full Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) will be required before a decision is made to proceed with the development; if not, why not;

(2) whether the memorandum of understanding between the Government and the Coega Development Corporation and PetroSA of 6 October 2009 is underpinned by a requirement for a full EIA; if not, what is the position in this regard; if so, what are the relevant details;

(3) whether a Cabinet decision has already been made to (a) proceed with this development and (b) fast-track the EIA in order for the refinery to start operating in 2014; if not, what is the position in this regard; if so, what are the relevant details;

(4) whether she will commission an EIA; if not, why not; if so, when?

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Mrs A T Lovemore (DA) SECRETARY TO PARLIAMENT

HANSARD

PAPERS OFFICE

PRESS

1747 THE MINISTER OF WATER AND ENVIRONMENTAL AFFAIRS ANSWERS:

(1) A full scoping / Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) will be required.

(2) The Department is not aware of the contents of the memorandum of understanding between the Government and Coega. The requirement for a full scoping / EIA is a legislative requirement in terms of the NEMA that cannot be circumvented.

(3) The Department is not in a position to comment on whether a Cabinet decision has been taken in either cases (a) or (b).

(4) The project proponent or applicant, in this case PETROSA, must lodge an application with the

Department of Environmental Affairs (DEA) for authorisation to commence with all relevant activities as listed in the Regulations, 2006, with regard to this proposed development.

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QUESTION NO 1746

DATE OF PUBLICATION IN INTERNAL QUESTION PAPER: 16 OCTOBER 2009

(INTERNAL QUESTION PAPER NO 22 - 2009)

Date reply submitted : 15 December 2009

Ms D Kohler-Barnard (DA) to ask the Minister of Police:

(1) With reference to all the cases that were concluded by the Independent Complaints Directorate (ICD) for the 2008-09 financial year, how many members of the SA Police Service (SAPS) have (a) been (i) arrested, (ii) convicted of criminal offences, (iii) given terms of imprisonment, (iv) subjected to internal disciplinary proceedings and (v) expelled from the SAPS, (b) been (i) suspended on full pay, (ii) suspended with no pay and (c) are still on duty;

(2) (a) why are these members still on active duty, (b) what (i) was the nature of the charges against them and (ii) was the outcome of the disciplinary proceedings against them and (c) what is the total cost paid to SAPS members suspended on full pay;

(3) what legislative provision does the SAPS rely on to deal internally with criminal behaviour on the part of SAPS members as opposed to expelling them from the SAPS and then arresting them?

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REPLY:

(1) (a) (i) The number of SAPS members arrested by the ICD during 2008/2009

financial year were 67;

(ii) There were 38 members convicted for criminal cases that were

concluded during the 2008-09 financial year;

(iii) Of the convictions secured, 18 resulted in direct imprisonment without an option of paying a fine and/or the prison sentence being suspended;

(iv) About 90 members were subjected to internal disciplinary proceedings;

(v) 10 members were expelled from the SAPS during the same period.

(b) (i) & (ii) is not applicable; Please refer to part 1 of the question.

(c) Following the release of the ICD's annual report for the 2008/09 financial year, a name list reflecting only the rank and the surname of affected members was made available to SAPS with the outcome including sanctions against each name. No unique identification numbers, persal numbers and initials were provided to enable the speeding up of the verification process. However the SAPS would be embarking on a verification process to verify the information obtained from the ICD.

(2) Please refer to Part (1(c)) of the question.

(3). The South African Police Service relies on the SAPS Discipline Regulations 2006, Section 36 of the South African Police Service Act which provides for discharge on account of an effective sentence of imprisonment as well as Section 43 which provides for suspension while in detention or in prison.

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QUESTION NO 1745

DATE OF PUBLICATION IN INTERNAL QUESTION PAPER: 16 OCTOBER 2009

(INTERNAL QUESTION PAPER NO 22 - 2009)

Date reply submitted : 15 December 2009

Ms D Kohler-Barnard (DA) to ask the Minister of Police:

What is the breakdown of the R7,595,885,000 in claims against his department and pending civil claims against the State as reported in the 2008-09 annual report, with regard to each (a) province and (b) category of liability in each province?

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REPLY:

It needs to stressed that the R7,595,885,00 is not the actual amount spent on civil claims. The amount is a contingency liability. When we reflect a contingency liability, we refer to uncertain liability. It is uncertain because at the time of allocation, we do not know if there is an actual liability, when it is going to be incurred and finally, if the actual amount claimed is going to be claimed.

The reality is the South African police Service paid out R57.4 million during the past financial year. More than R900 million was reduced or cancelled during this same period. The only reason the department reflects a contingent liability is solely for transparency purposes and as it is required to do under the PFMA.

(1) What is the total estimated cost of renaming the (a) SA Police Service to the "South African Police Force", including the costs of (i) new logos, (ii) new signage, (iii) new uniform insignia, (iv) new vehicle identification markers, (v) new stationery, (vi) new aircraft logos and (vii) other costs to rebrand equipment and (b) department of Safety and Security to the Department of Police, including the cost of (i) new logos, (ii) signage, (iii) uniforms, (iv) vehicle identification markers, (v) stationery and (vi) other rebranding of equipment;

(2) whether the changing of the name of the Secretariat for Safety and Security will be effected by a constitutional amendment; if not, why not; if so,

(3) whether he will table a constitutional amendment Bill to change the name of the Secretariat for Safety and Security; if so, when?

NW2239E

REPLY:

(1) (a) This matter is still under discussion and no reply/comment can be given until a decision has been taken.

(b) The Secretariat of Police spent an amount of R49 451.80 renaming from "Secretariat for Safety and Security" to "Secretariat of Police". It should be noted that all old folders, writing pads etc. are being used for internal usage to prevent any wastage.

(2) A constitutional amendment is not necessary to effect the change of name. Section 208 of the Constitution requires the establishment of "a civilian secretariat for the police".

(3) No. It is not necessary to table a constitutional amendment to change the name.

QUESTION NO: 1741

DATE SUBMITTED:

MR J SELFE (DA) TO ASK THE MINISTER OF CORRECTIONAL SERVICES

Whether there is a Directorate in her Department that provides Legal Services and/or advice; if so, (a) who (i) is the Head and (ii) are the other members of this Directorate, (b) what are their (i) qualifications and (ii) experience in each case and (c) what was the salary of each person during the latest specified period of twelve months for which information is available? NW 2236E

REPLY

The Directorate : Legal Services exists within the Chief Directorate : Legal and Special Operations. The posts structure is as follows:

(a) (i) The Head, is the Chief Director : Legal and Special Operations. Currently the post is vacant and is having an Acting Chief Director : Mr. ME Malatsi –

Qualifications: BJuris; LLB (University of Venda)

Attorney at Law 1995 – 1999.

FBI Course of Instruction (Investigations) USA State Department of Justice, Quantico Virginia : 2000.

Experience:

§ Practicing Attorney : 1995 – 1999.

§ Special Investigator at the NPA : 2000 – 2003.

§ Senior Special Investigator DSO : 2003 – 2004

§ Director : Departmental Investigation Unit at DCS :

2004 to date.

(ii) Other members of the Directorate : Legal Services are:

(aa) Dr. RJ Mbuli (Director : Legal Services) qualifications : BJuris; LLB; LLM and LLD (U2) Advocate of the High Court of South Africa.

Experience:

§ Public Prosecutor.

§ Assistant Registrar (Student Affairs).

§ Senior Lecturer in Law at the University of Zululand.

§ Director : Legal Services (1996 -1998) at Mpumalanga Provincial Government.

§ Chief University Administrator/University Registrar for Vista University (1999 - 2003).

§ Senior Investigator : Office of the Public Protector.

§ Additional Magistrate and Head of Office : Mpumalanga Province.

§ Director : Legal Services at Department of Correctional Services from 02 December 2005 to date.

(bb) Ms PD Dhladhla : Deputy Director qualifications : BProc; LLB (University) Attorney at Law:

§ Assistant State Attorney (1997 – 1998).

§ Legal Administration Officer at DCS (1998 – 2001).

§ Claims Handler : Road Accident Fund (2001 – 2005).

§ Deputy Director DCS (02/02/2006 to date).

(cc) Adv. L Klynsmith – Advocate of the High Court of SA.

Qualifications: BJuris; LLB;

Experience:

§ Provincial Head : Legal Services (DC).

§ Legal Advisor : 1993 – 1996.

§ Manager of the Legal and Secretarial Services : 1987 – 1993.

§ Practicing Attorney : 1986 – 1987.

§ Articles Clerk : 1983 – 1985.

§ Deputy Director : DCS – current.

(dd) Mr. AZE Malindi : Deputy Director.

Qualifications: BProc; LLB (University) LLM (Georgetown).

Advocate of the High Court of SA.

Experience:

§ Article Clerk : 1981 – 1982.

§ Practicing Attorney : 1982 – 1986.

§ Practising Advocate : 1987 – 1994.

§ Deputy Director : DCS : 1995 to date.

(ee) Adv. V Gounden : Deputy Director. Advocate of the High Court of SA.

Qualifications: BA; LLB (Natal).

Experience:

§ School teacher : 1978 – 1979.

§ Bank Teller : NBS : 1985 – 1980.

§ Part time Lecturer at Northdale Teaching College : 1991.

§ Public Prosecutor : 1993 – 1995.

§ Estate Controller (Masters Office).

§ Public Prosecutor at Kimberley Regional Court : 1995 – 1997.

§ State Advocate : 1997 – 1998.

§ Senior State Law Advisor : 1998 – 2001.

§ Deputy Director : DCS 2001 to date.

c) The officials listed above received salaries for the past 12 months that correspond to the remuneration scales attached to the level at which they have been appointed within Government.

QUESTION NO: 1742

DATE SUBMITTED:

MR J SELFE (DA) TO ASK THE MINISTER OF CORRECTIONAL SERVICES

(1) Whether her Department or the State Attorney acting on behalf of her Department, contracted the services of private legal practitioners (a) in the (i) 2004-5, (ii) 2005-6, (iii) 2006-7, (iv) 2007-08, and (v) 2008-09 financial years and (b) during the period 1 January 2009 up to the latest specified date for which information is available; if so, (aa) which legal practitioners, (bb) for what cases or services and (cc) at what cost in each case.

(2) Whether her Department's Legal Advisors are able to provide those services; if not, why not; if so, what are the relevant details? NW2237E

REPLY

(1)The Office of the State Attorneys acts as Attorney of record for the Department.Where the services of a practising Advocate is required those Advocates are briefed by the State Attorney on behalf of the DCS.Names are not currently available.

(2) The current practice is that services of practicing Advocates are secured to defend the interests of the Department.In future, an in house Counsel may be introduced. It depends on future litigation policy.

Question 1737.

Dr H C van Schalkwyk (DA) to ask the Minister of Women, Children and People with Disabilities

(1) What amount was spent by her department on (a) hotel accommodation, (b) restaurant expenses and (c) travel costs (i) in the 2008-09 financial year and (ii) during the period 1 April 2009 up to the latest specified date for which information is available, for (aa) her, (bb) specified officials of her department and (cc) any other specified individuals;

(2) why did each individual use the specified accommodation in each case? NW2231E

Response

	R'000
Accomodation	604
Air Transport	1495
Road Transport	27
Car rental	24
Daily Allowance	48
	2198

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QUESTION NO 1735

DATE REPLY SUBMITTED: TUESDAY, 15 DECEMBER 2009

DATE OF PUBLICATION IN INTERNAL QUESTION PAPER: FRIDAY, 16 OCTOBER 2009 (INTERNAL QUESTION PAPER NO 22 – 2009)

Mr E J Marais (DA) asked the Minister of Transport:

(1) What amount was spent by his department on (a) hotel accommodation, (b) restaurant expenses and (c) travel costs (i) in the 2008-09 financial year and (ii) during the period 1 April 2009 up to the latest specified date for which information is available, for (aa) him, (bb) his deputy minister, (cc) specified officials of his department and (dd) any other specified individuals;

(2) why did each individual use the specified accommodation in each case?

NW2229E

REPLY:

The Minister of Transport:

(1) The Department of Transport spent the following amounts on (a) hotel accommodation, (b) restaurant expenses and (c) travel costs (i) in the 2008 - 2009 financial year and (ii) during the period 01 April 2009 up to 31 October 2009 for (aa) the Minister of Transport, (bb) the Deputy Minister of Transport, (cc) and officials of his department and (dd) any other specified individuals. These figures include both domestic and international hotel accommodation, restaurant

expenses and travel costs:-

(aa) The Minister of Transport	(i) Financial Year 2008-2009 R	(ii) 01 April to 31 October 2009 R
(a) Hotel Accommodation	680,009.84	194,698.00
(b) Restaurant Expenses	Nil	647.65
(c) Travel Costs	662,622.64	204,371.00
(bb) The Deputy Minister of Transport	(i) Financial Year 2008-2009 R	(ii) 01 April to 31 October 2009 R
(a) Hotel Accommodation	Nil	Nil
(b) Restaurant Expenses	Nil	Nil
(c) Travel Costs	Nil	82,668.00
(cc) Department of Transport Officials – Includes Officials in the Transport Ministry and all other Department of Transport Officials	(i) Financial Year 2008-2009 R	(ii) 01 April to 31 October 2009 R
(a) Hotel Accommodation	18,300,472.88	9,951,960.35
(b) Restaurant Expenses	196,676.06	101,757.01
(c) Travel Costs	23,249,180.26	10,615,355.71
(dd) Other Specified Individuals	(i) Financial Year 2008-2009 R	(ii) 01 April to 31 October 2009 R
(a) Hotel Accommodation	Nil	Nil
(b) Restaurant Expenses	Nil	Nil
(c) Travel Costs	Nil	Nil

(2) The accommodation was used for official purposes. The Department of Transport's financial records do not contain information regarding travelling and accommodation for individual trips. It would take considerable time and effort to provide information why each individual used the specified accommodation in each case, because hundreds of trips take place annually for official purposes.

Question 1734

Mr A P van der Westhuizen (DA) to ask the Minister of Trade and Industry:

(1) What amount was spent by his department on (a) hotel accommodation, (b) restaurant expenses and (c) travel costs (i) in the 2008-09 financial year and (ii) during the period 1 April 2009 up to the latest specified date for which information is available, for (aa) him, (bb) his deputy ministers, (cc) specified officials of his department and (dd) any other specified individuals;

(2) Why did each individual use the specified accommodation in each case? NW2228E

Reply

the dti does not pay for restaurant expenses, as costs related to this item is provided for in the subsistence and travel advances /claims paid to officials. An amount of R165, 00 per day is payable to staff for expenses relating to lunch and dinner, whilst breakfast is included in the accommodation account on the bed-and-breakfast principle.

The mandate of the dti particularly in relation to trade, investment and export promotion requires extensive international interaction. In this regard, all travel and accommodation was in connection with official business and executed in accordance with the Departmental Travel and Transport Policy and the guidelines in the Ministerial Handbook.

Accordingly, for the 2008/9 financial year, a total of R 12,916,366 was spent on accommodation and R 40,160,918 on travel costs. In total this represented 1% of the dti's budget.

For the period 1 April 2009 to June 2009, a total of R 5,575,069 was spent on accommodation by the dti and R 13,080,205.for travel.

In light of the economic downturn, the dti has instituted a number of cost-saving measures such as using economy class flights for all domestic and short international flights for all officials, reducing the size of international delegations and using dti facilities for workshops and meetings as the default option.

QUESTION NO. 1733 FOR WRITTEN REPLY: NATIONAL ASSEMBLY

A draft reply to Mr G R Krumbock (DA) to the above-mentioned question is enclosed for your

consideration.

NATIONAL ASSEMBLY

(For written reply)

QUESTION NO. 1733 INTERNAL QUESTION PAPER NO 22

DATE OF PUBLICATION: 16 October 2009

Mr G R Krumbock (DA) to ask the Minister of Tourism:

(2) why did each individual use the specified accommodation in each case?

1733. THE MINISTER OF TOURISM ANSWERS:

1. (i) Not applicable – new department

2009/10 1 May 2009 – 20 October 2009	(a) Hotel accommodation (Domestic and foreign)	(b) Entertainment (restaurant expenses)	(c) Travel cost (Domestic & foreign)
(ii)
aa) Minister	381 486	9 214	1 019 230
bb) Deputy Minister	477 843	24 200	1 115 575
cc) Specified Officials Tourism	801 908	1 554	2 234 775
dd) Other specified individuals	-	-	-

2. Official tourism department duties

QUESTION: NO 1731

(Internal Question Paper No 22 – 2009)

Mr J J van der Linde (DA) to ask the Minister of Sport and Recreation:

(1) What amount was spent by his department on

(a) Hotel accommodation,

(b) Restaurant expenses and

(i) In the 2008-09 financial year and

(ii) During the period 1 April 2009 up to the latest specified date for which information is available, for

(aa) Him,

(bb) His Deputy Minister,

(cc) Specified officials of his department and

(dd) Any other specified individuals;

(2) Why did each individual use the specified accommodation in each case?

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REPLY:

(1)(a)(i)(aa) R 322 927.62

(bb) R 106 966.31

(cc) R 2 657 726 .74

(dd) R 1 145 052.24

(1)(a)(ii)(aa) R 411 547.42

(bb) R 356 839.25

(cc) R 6 602 308.36

(dd) R 576 643.87

(1)(b)(i)(aa) Restaurant expenses are included in hotel accommodation and can not be extracted as a separate expense.

(bb) Restaurant expenses are included in hotel accommodation and can not be extracted as a separate expense.

(cc) Restaurant expenses are included in hotel accommodation and can not be extracted as a separate expense.

(dd) Restaurant expenses are included in hotel accommodation and can not be extracted as a separate expense.

(1)(b)(ii)(aa) Restaurant expenses are included in hotel accommodation and can not be extracted as a separate expense.

(bb) Restaurant expenses are included in hotel accommodation and can not be extracted as a separate expense.

(cc) Restaurant expenses are included in hotel accommodation and can not be extracted as a separate expense.

(dd) Restaurant expenses are included in hotel accommodation and can not be extracted as a separate expense.

(1)(c)(i)(aa) R 583 131 92

(bb) R 231 701.91

(cc) R 1 374 160.94

(dd) R 3 653 072.55

(1)(c )(ii)(aa) R 439 069.96

(bb) R 370 186.44

(cc) R 3 174 564.56

(dd)R 834 480.79

(2) Accommodation bookings are done in accordance with the departmental policy on accommodation and travel. This policy, among others, determines the grading of accommodation for different levels of officials.

The Department also try to minimize costs by accommodating officials as close to the venue of their meeting, workshop, etc. as possible, thereby minimizing traveling expenses.

NATIONAL ASSEMBLY

QUESTION 1730

FOR WRITTEN REPLY

Date of publication on internal question paper: 16 October 2009

Internal question paper no:

Mr M W Rabotapi (DA) to ask the Minister of Social Development:

(1) What amount was spent by her department on (a) hotel accommodation, (b) restaurant expenses and (c) travel costs (i) in the 2008-09 financial year and (ii) during the period 1 April 2009 up to the latest specified date for which information is available, for (aa) her, (bb) her deputy minister, (cc) specified officials of her department and (dd) any other specified individuals;

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REPLY:

Context:

In view of the economic challenges, the Department implemented cost saving measures. This is evident if the figures in paragraph (1)(ii) in respect of 2009/10 for a six month period, are compared with the amount spent for a six month period in 2008/09, as reflected in paragraph (1)(i) below.

(1) (i) Travel and accommodation cost spend during the 2008/09 financial year is as follows:

Programme	(a) Accommodation (b)Restaurant expenditure (amounts include daily allowances which are paid to officials for official trips undertaken) R'000	(c) Travel (includes air tickets, road transport and GG vehicle) R'000
(aa) Ministerial Services includes Minister as well as all support staff (Twenty one: The twenty one included functions shifted to the Office of the Director-General in 2009/10).	2,263	3,790
(bb) Deputy Minister includes Deputy Minister and all support staff (Five).	1,140	2,628
(cc) Specified officials Director-General, Chief Financial Officer, Deputy Director-General: Integrated Development; DDG: Welfare Services (Nine).	505	1,441
(dd) Other specified individuals include expenditure of DDG: Social Security, Chief Operations Officer; Programme Manager: Key Social Security Institutions (Eighteen)	23,529	31,729
Total amount spent	27,437	39,588

(1)(ii) Travel and accommodation cost for 2009/10 (spent from 1 April 2009 until 31 October 2009):

The amounts reflected under (1)(ii) (aa) and (bb) in the next table relates to the payments made in terms of the current Minister and Deputy Minister from May 2009. These amounts exclude payments made in the current financial year (01 April 2009 – 31 October 2009) that relates to commitments flowing from the previous financial year (2008/09), and payments made in terms of the previous Minister and Deputy Minister of Social Development since April 2009.

Programme	(a) Accommodation (b)Restaurant expenditure (amounts include daily allowances which are paid to officials for official trips undertaken) R'000	(c) Travel (includes air tickets, road transport and GG vehicle) R'000
(aa) Ministerial Services includes Minister as well as all support staff (nine).	137	1,074
(bb) Deputy Minister includes Deputy Minister and all support staff (six).	398	831
(cc) Specified officials Director-General, Chief Financial Officer, Deputy Director-General: Integrated Development; DDG: Welfare Services and all support staff (Thirty).	53	484
(dd) Other specified individuals include expenditure of DDG: Social Security, Chief Operations Officer; Programme Manager: Key Social Security Institutions and all support staff (Eighteen).	239	1,390
Total amount spent	827	3,779

(2) The utilization of the specific accommodation by the departmental officials in each case is based on the approved Subsistence and Travel Policy of the Department of Social Development, as amended from time to time. If officials want to deviate from the Subsistence and Travel Policy, special approval should be obtained from the Director-General.

The utilization of accommodation by the Minister and Deputy Minister is being dealt with in accordance with the Ministerial Handbook.

INTERNAL QUESTION

QUESTIONS 1726

Friday, 16 September 2009

1726. Ms A M Dreyer (DA) to ask the Minister for the Public Service and

Administration:

(1) What amount was spent by his department on (a) hotel accommodation, (b)

restaurant expenses and (c) travel costs (i) in the 2008-09 financial year and (ii)

during the period 1 April 2009 up to the latest specified date for which

information is available, for (aa) him, (bb) his deputy minister, (cc) specified

officials of his department and (dd) any other specified individuals;

(2) Why did each individual use the specified accommodation in each case?

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REPLY

(1)(i)(aa)The total amount spent by the Minister in the 2008-09 financial year is as follows;

(1)(i)(a) Hotel accommodation for official domestic engagements: R46 000.

(1)(i)(b) Restaurant expenses: Nil

(1)(i)(c) Travel costs incurred for official domestic engagements: R150 000.

(1)(ii)(aa)The total amount spent by the Minister for the period 1 April 2009 ending 26 October 2009 is as follows;

(1)(ii)(a) Hotel accommodation for official domestic and international engagements: R95 000.

(1)(ii)(b) Restaurant expenses: Nil

(1)(ii)(c) Travel costs incurred for official domestic and international engagements: R302 000.

(1)(bb) There is no expenditure for the Deputy Minister for the 2008/09 financial year as he was only appointed to the department in the 2009/10 financial year.

(1)(bb) The total amount spent by the Deputy Minister for the period 1 April 2009 ending 26 October 2009 is as follows;

(1)(ii)(a) Hotel accommodation for official domestic engagements: R9 000.

(1)(ii)(b) Restaurant expenses: Nil

(1)(ii)(c) Travel costs incurred for official domestic and international engagements: R158 000.

(1)(i)(cc) The total amount spent by other employees within the department for the 2008/09 financial year is as follows:

(1)(i)(a) Hotel accommodation for official domestic and international engagements: R7.927 million

(1)(i)(b) Restaurant expenses: R137 000, 00

(1)(i)(c) Travel costs incurred for official domestic and international engagements: R23.066 million

(1)(dd) The total amount spent by other delegates (guests attending conferences) for the 2008/09 financial year on hotel accommodation and travel costs amounts to R3.553 million.

(1)(ii)(cc) The total amount spent by other employees within the department for the period ending 26 October 2009 is as follows:

(1)(ii)(a) Hotel accommodation for official domestic and international engagements: R2.399 million

(1)(ii)(b) Restaurant expenses: R124 000, 00

(1)(ii)(c) Travel costs incurred for official domestic and international engagements: R8.765 million

(1)(ii)(dd)The total amount spent by other delegates (guests attending conferences) for the period ending 26 October 2009 on hotel accommodation and travel costs amounts to R965 000, 00.

(2) The accommodation which was utilised by the relevant employees was aligned to their specific duties and authorized by the relevant responsibility managers. The accommodation costs are also strictly monitored to ensure that the room rates are in terms with the departmental management policy.

QUESTION NO: 1719

QUESTION

Mr A M Figlan (DA) to ask the Minister of Human Settlements:

(2) Why did each individual use the specified accommodation in each case?

REPLY:

1(i) The amount spent by the Department of Human Settlements for the financial year 2008/09 is as follows:

(a) Hotel accommodation is R19, 989, 296.17.

(b) Restaurant expenses are R372, 729.06.

(ii) The amount spent by the Department of Human Settlements for the current financial year up to 20 October 2009 is as follows:

(aa) The former Minister and current Minister have spent R1, 310, 972.05 for hotel accommodation, R9,999.10 for restaurant expenses and R 2, 172, 125.98 on travel costs.

(bb) The Deputy Minister has spent R199, 994.55 for hotel accommodation, R0, 00. for restaurant expenses and R479, 467.16 for travel costs

(cc) The Director General has spent R655, 980. 52 for hotel accommodation, R29, 482.93 for restaurant expenses and R1, 084 372.37

(dd) The Deputy Director General's have spent R662, 650.29 for hotel accommodation, R7, 321.43 for restaurant expenses and R879,513.67 for travel costs.

2. The Minister and the Deputy Minister used the specified accommodation when attending Ministerial duties while each specified individuals have used the specified accommodation in the execution of their duties.

QUESTION 1728

INTERNAL QUESTION PAPER [No 22-2009]

DATE OF PUBLICATION: 16 October 2009

1728. Mrs A Steyn (DA) to ask the Minister for Rural Development and Land Reform:

(1) What amount was spent by his department on (a) hotel accommodation, (b) restaurant expenses and (c) travel costs (i) in the 2008-09 financial year and (ii)

during the period 1 April 2009 up to the latest specified date for which information

is available, for (aa) him, (bb) his deputy minister, (cc) specified officials of his department and (dd) any other specified individuals;

(2) why did each individual use the specified accommodation in each case?

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THE MINISTER OF RURAL DEVELOPMENT AND LAND REFORM:

(1)(a)-(c)(i)&(ii)(aa)-(cc) Please refer to Annexure A.

(dd) Unfortunately no information could be provided in respect of any other specified individuals. However, should the Honourable Member provide further details in this regard, a response will be made available.

(2) In all instances the specified accommodation was used for official business of the Department.

(i) 1 April 2008 to 31 March 2009
	(a) Hotel Accommodation	(b) Catering expenses*	(c) Travel costs
	(a) Hotel Accommodation	(b) Catering expenses*	Car rental	Air Transport	Road Transport
(aa)-(bb) Minister and Deputy Minister	Details of the expenditure requested for the 2008-2009 financial year are not available from the Department of Rural Development and Land Reform as the budget for the former Minister and Deputy Minister for Agriculture and Land Affairs was administered by the then Department of Agriculture.
*(cc) specified officials**	R 34 255 145.27	R 4 518 534.23	R 16 283 184.37	R 27 346 166.47	R 16 390 711.42
(ii) 1 April 2009 to 30 September 2009
(aa) Minister	R 260 039.13	R 3 225.41	R 773 457.64	R 246 364.00	R 137 742.52
(bb) Deputy Minister	R 103 448 .66	R 2 674.89	R 747 638.08	R 167 471.00	R 3 420.00
*(cc) specified officials**	R 11 216 413.51	R 1 527 500.09	R 7 442 059.88	R 10 789 837.09	R 1 828 466.59

* (1)(b) It should be noted that the Department's financial system does not make provision for restaurant expenses. As such, the expenditure in respect of catering services for all departmental activities has been provided.

* (1)(a)-(c)(i)-(ii)(cc) Refers to spending in respect of all officials within the Department.

* (1)(c) Spending has gone down tremendously due to the revised Transport and Fleet Management policy that compels all departmental officials to utilise entry level motor vehicles.

2009-11-05

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