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House: National Assembly

Date of Meeting: 02 May 2022

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PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
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The House met at 14:00.
The House Chairperson, Mr C T Frolick, took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayer or meditation.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon members, in the interest of safety in the Chamber, you are required to keep
your mask on and sit in your designated seat and area. The first item on the Order Paper is Member’s Statements. Members are reminded that statements should not exceed one and a half minutes and party opportunities are also not transferable. So, let us stick to one and a half minutes’ rule, please!

FLOODS IN KZN, EASTERN CAPE AND NORTH WEST COST OVER 400 LIVES AND BILLIONS OF RAND WORTH OF DAMAGE TO INFRASTRUCTURE
(Member’s Statement)

Mr B A RADEBE (ANC): Chairperson, the recent floods in KwaZulu-Natal, the Eastern Cape and North West serve as a reminder that climate change is real and should be addressed. The extent of these floods have cost over 400 lives and left billions of rand worth of damage to infrastructure. Also, more
than 700 people have been displaced following the devastating fire in the Joe Slovo settlement in Langa. The rain experienced in KZN in particular is the worst the country has ever experienced.
President Cyril Ramaphosa declared this crisis as the National State of Disaster which will allow the government to deal with the impact in a holistic manner through the integrated and coordinated approach across all spheres of government. The ANC thanks individual citizens, organisations and private
companies for the support and comfort given to those affected. As a nation, we owe our gratitude to the SA Police Services, the SA Defence Force and other emergency personnel who have been undertaking search and recovery operations. We also thank the Houses of Parliament of the Republic of SA for agreeing on a special sitting on 26 April 2022 to express solidarity with the victims. We wish to convey our deepest condolences to all those who lost their loved ones and hope that all those who are still missing will finally be found for the families to get closure. I thank you, Chair.

The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Thank you, hon member. May I ask the Table staff to sort out the clock in front of
us, please! It’s impossible to follow if the clock is not running. Just activate it, please! Thank you.

AFTERMATH OF KZN FLOODS AND ETHEKWINI METRO’S CHAOTIC STATE OF DISASTER MANAGEMENT
(Member’s Statement)

Mr D W MACPHERSON (DA): Three weeks ago, KZN and particularly the eThekwini Metro was hit by floods that have left 450
people dead, more than 50 still missing and thousands homeless. However, things seem to be going from bad to worse. eThekwini is in a constant state of chaos characterised by a mayor who is so absent from this disaster, he may as well not even be in office; municipal officials who have resorted to turning off their phones and are unable or unwilling to assist councillors; and our provincial government which has already embarked on questionable acquisitions like buying temporary housing units for R68 000 each.

House Chair, still today, tens of thousands of homes remain without water. There are thousands of electricity faults that
have not been fixed and councillors are bearing the brunt of their hands off leadership by the mayor and the premier.
Water-borne disease and hunger are about to explode in the Metro. Still today, no one can point to where the disaster is
being run from, or who is in charge of disaster management. This is completely typical of how the ANC handle disasters.
They are more focused on chowing the money meant for those who need it the most. Chair, the DA calls on the President to get the premier, his
MECs, the mayor and eThekwini officials to do their job, which
is simply to restore water and electricity to residents or all
those affected by the floods without delay. We cannot wait
another day. Thank you.
EFF DEEPLY SADDENED BY BRUTAL MURDER OF HILLARY GARDEE,
DAUGHTER OF FORMER MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT, GODRICH GARDEE
(Member’s Statement)
Ms O M C MAOTWE (EFF): House Chair ...


 
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Before you proceed.
Before the EFF proceeds, the hon Pieter Mey on the platform
has his microphone on and it is causing a disturbance. It is
important that, if we expect the Ministers to respond, they at
least can hear what is being said.
Ms O M C MAOTWE (EFF): House Chair, the EFF is deeply saddened
by the passing of Hillary Gardee, the daughter of former
Member of Parliament and former Secretary-General of the EFF,
Commissar Godrich Gardee in a tragic situation which has left
the collective leadership and the general public shattered and
at a loss for words. The body of Hillary Gardee was found
60 kilometres outside of Nelspruit in Mpumalanga this morning.
Hillary, aged 28, was abducted on 29 April 2022 while
returning from Superspar Plaza in KaMagugu, Mpumalanga. We
weep with Commissar Gardee, the Gardee family and all those
who were close to this young, kind and beautiful soul.
Hillary Gardee was a generous, caring and free-spirited young
woman who had ventured into the information technology
industry as a postgraduate student at Unisa. Hillary had the
potential of contributing to the development of South Africa’s
technological terrain in a meaningful way. Her selflessness is
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child at a young age herself. A child who, by God’s grace,
survived this terrible ordeal without being harmed. We send
our deepest condolences to the Gardee family and may Hillary’s
soul rest in perfect and eternal peace. I thank you, Chair.
ANC STRONGLY CONDEMNS BRUTAL KILLING OF THREE SISTERS IN
L-SECTION, UMLAZI, KWAZULU-NATAL
(Member’s Statement)
Ms G P MAREKWA (ANC): Chair, the ANC strongly condemns the
senseless killing of three sisters and the injury of two
children in their home in Umlazi L-Section on 27 April 2022.
It is very hard to comprehend why those innocent and
defenceless women could be brutally killed like that. Over the
past years, our country has been deeply traumatised by acts of
extreme violence perpetrated by men against women and
children. We view this violence against women of our country
as an assault on the foundation of our democracy. We hope the
police will prioritise this case and leave no stone unturned
in finding the perpetrators so that they can face the full
might of the law. We call on community members to share
information with the police in order to effect arrests. We
wish to convey our heartfelt condolences to the family of the


 
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deceased sisters and wish the injured children speedy
recovery. I thank you, Chair.
IFP URGES SOUTH AFRICAN GOVERNMENT TO URGENTLY FIX IMMIGRATION
CRISIS
(Member’s Statement)
Ms L L VAN DER MERWE (IFP): Hon House Chairperson, more than a
decade ago the integrity of the SA Passport came under the
spotlight when the UK introduced a strict passport regime for
South Africans seeking to enter the UK. At the time, the UK
government said:
There are concerns that SA Passports are available to
people who are not entitled to them.
Fast forward, 12 years later to Friday, 25 March 2022, a
Pakistani national and kingpin of a syndicate producing fake
South African passports along with his wife and 29 others were
arrested. It has now emerged that this criminal network was
operated from the Department of Home Affairs and it spans
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While the IFP welcomes the arrests and the work that Mr
Motsoaledi has done in this regard, the reality is that the
revelation of the work of this syndicate comes at the time
when our government already presides over a full-scale
immigration crisis. We have nonexistent borders; the current
manual asylum-seeker system has collapsed; corruption within
the department is endemic; international criminal syndicates
have infiltrated South Africa; and many non-citizens enter
South Africa, never to leave again.
The IFP’s view is that this government must table before the
nation and to this House, as a matter of urgency, a plan to
fix our immigration crisis to ease the tensions that have
arisen in our communities of late; and address the very real
and legitimate concerns South Africans are raising around the
failures of this government’s immigration system. I thank you,
Chair.
PAC MOURNERS SHOT AT BY MEMBERS OF SA POLICE SERVICES
(Member’s Statement)
Mr M NYHONTSO (PAC): On Saturday, PAC mourners in West Rand
were shot at by the SA Police Services, SAPS. One Colonel


 
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Ndumbini ordered that we must be shot and he will account. We
want the Minister of Police to take action against this
Colonel because this is the third time he has done this,
before we regard the SAPS as the enemies of the PAC members.
Thank you.
FF PLUS CALLS FOR INVESTIGATION INTO ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE DECAY
IN NORTH WEST PROVINCE
(Member’s Statement)
Mr I M GROENEWALD (FF PLUS): Hon House Chair, just a
correction. It’s the Freedom Front Plus. The North West
Premier highlighted the backlog of road infrastructure in the
province. He stated that the total infrastructure is worth
R92,5 billion but the budget for road infrastructure
maintenance over the last three years averaged R1,4 billion
per year.
The province underspent on maintenance budget and only spent
an average of R1 billion per year over the last three years.
The North West province budgets 1,3% of the assets’ value for
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of R6,2 billion per year and they don’t even spend their
budget adequately.
Minister Mbalula visited Makwassie Municipality and made a
promise to the people that within one month there would be
visible progress on the repair of the road. There’s little
progress made on the road but rather a mess, and there’s no
sign of follow-up visits by the Minister. The public is
disappointed in the Minister for not keeping his word.
A further disappoint is that SA National Roads Agency Limited,
Sanral is given a budget of R45 million for the whole of N12
running through JB Marks, Matlosana and Makwassie Hills. The
allocated budget is not enough for sustainable solution for
the dilapidated national road in the municipal area, and that
is due to a lack of maintenance by the ANC-led governments
over decades.
It is time for action and we call on the Minister to honour
his promise and see that sustainable solution with the
necessary budget is put in place for the N12 road
infrastructure. We call on the Minister for in-depth
investigation and the turnaround on road infrastructure decay
in North West, not empty promises and statements. I ask the


 
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Minister to honour the fact that he said he will make a return
visit to Makwassie Hills and when he does, I’ll meet him
there. Thank you, hon House Chair.
ELECTRICITY INFRASTRUCTURE UNDER SIEGE FROM DANGEROUS
CRIMINALS
(Member’s Statement)
Mr B M HADEBE: Thank you, House Chair, the recent killing of
two security guards in Jo’burg by alleged cable thieves
heavily armed with AK-47, is strongly condemned. The affected
guards are contracted by City of Jo’burg to protect electrical
infrastructure and services in the city. They work with city’s
technicians every day to ensure that residents have
uninterrupted power. The theft of cable is a great concern,
and it occurs on daily basis, not only in Jo’burg, but
country-wide.
Cable thieves are getting more organised and dangerous,
putting lives at risk and undermining government’s efforts to
provide service delivery and revive the economy. The ANC calls
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infrastructure, and more stringent bail condition for
perpetrators. I thank you.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): The ACDP.
Mr W M THRING: Hon House Chair, we were informed that we do
not have an opportunity to make the declaration today.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): You always have the
opportunity to make a Statement.
Mr W M THRING: A Member’s Statement, sorry.
LAUNCH OF ISUZU D-MAX BAKKIE IN NELSON MANDELA BAY TO CREATE
JOBS AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE ECONOMY
(Member’s Statement)
Mr C N MALEMATJA: Thank you, Chair, the ANC welcomes the newly
manufactured Isuzu D-Max Bakkie in Nelson Mandela Bay, Eastern
Cape, recently. The launch is a result of an investment
commitment by Japan’s Isuzu Motors Limited, which forms part
of the investment drive started by President Ramaphosa in
2018. The plant will provide over 1 000 jobs and indirectly


 
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employ 24 000 people, contributing to community upliftment.
The fact that the bakkie is being manufactured in South Africa
is more than a matter of pride.
It is a welcome contribution to the government’s efforts to
significantly expand local production as we work to rebuild
our economy and create jobs. The automotive industry is one of
the economy’s most important sectors. It is a significant
source of employment and small business development in the
Eastern Cape, particularly in Gqeberha. Thank you.
ZONDO COMMISSION
(Member’s Statement)
Mr G K Y CACHALIA: House Chair, whether Busi Mavuso’s
utterances in SCOPA were made in the appropriate forum is
moot.
What it did do, however, is to place on record what is on the
lips of every South African – that successive ANC governments
have been and are responsible for the mess we find ourselves
in at Eskom and there is no getting away from that.


 
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Now, Volume 4 of the Zondo report has named and shamed ANC
deployees, members, acolytes and ministers. Where is the
accountability? Where are the prosecutions? Almost 1500 people
have been implicated, but not one has been prosecuted.
National Treasury has emerged as the sole government entity
with some honour. What is worrying though is that many of
those currently in Government who were complicit through acts
of commission or omission are now spinning a yarn that clothes
them as latter day saviours?
How, I ask you, can those who either knew and kept quiet, or
were so incompetent that they didn’t know what was going on
under their noses, be trusted to deliver the requisite
transparency, accountability, consequences and action?
Our country has been hobbled economically and morally by the
culpable collective that is the ANC and they must be held to
account. Only then will the full extent of their crimes be
exposed and dealt with.
Instead, we have new SA Airways, SAA, appointment of John
Lamola as the CEO, a man who began Denel Aviation’s demise and
was implicated in the Gupta leaks, has been their preferred


 
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candidate for the board of Airport Company SA, ACSA. I am
afraid, it is more of the same, and this company has had
enough as 2024 will show. Best you take note. Thank you.
OVERSIGHT VISIT BY JUSTICE AND CORRECTIONAL SERVICES PORTFOLIO
COMMITTEE TO THE EASTERN CAPE
(Member’s Statement)
Ms Y N YAKO: Thank you, House Chair, recently, the Justice and
Correctional Services Portfolio Committee went on an oversight
visit to the Eastern Cape and across the Eastern Cape. What
struck me the most, was the atrocious condition of the
Master’s Office in Mthatha, they are dealing with the woes,
the sister states, death, pain and all manner of emotional
conditions.
Yet, when we arrived, there was no electricity. Some people
had to be turned back in a way for days on end. People
travelling hours and hours away, just to be turned away, just
because the system simply does not work without the
electricity. It left me with a bitter taste in my mouth
because, what about the dignity of their loved ones and their
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Services not prioritise the vast provinces such as the Eastern
Cape in terms of the infrastructure?
Black mothers and fathers are frustrated by loss, turned away
without clear answers to when they will find assistance. Why
is Public Works okay with paying R100 000 in rates for a
building that doesn’t even have a proper ventilation, a
building without a generator, no access to any facility for
disabled people? Why is the government in this country fine
with not restoring dignity to our people?
The Department of Justice and Correctional Services truly
needs to take itself seriously and not outsource its powers to
Public Works, who clearly demonstrate that they don’t know
what their mandate is. Thank you.
FOOT AND MOUTH DISEASE OUTBREAK
(Member’s Statement)
Ms K D MAHLATSI: Thank you very much, House Chairperson. The
ANC is calling for an urgent action to solve the crisis of
foot and mouth disease outbreak involving farms and communal
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outbreak, which are Free State, KwaZulu-Natal, Limpopo, North
West and Gauteng.
The disease presents with sores in the mouth and in between
the digits of hooves causing them to be depressed, reluctant
to eat and lame. It attacks domesticated animals such as
cattle, pigs, sheep and goats. As part of government
intervention all affected farms, dip tanks and other premises
in the five affected provinces were placed under quarantine
and no cloven hoofed animals are allowed to move from these
locations.
The ANC urges all farmers to exercise caution and be vigilant
for signs of symptoms on their livestock. We call on all
citizens of South Africa to comply with government’s call and
stop the illegal movement of animals out of the affected
areas. Thank you very much, House Chair.
THE MONTH OF RAMADAN
(Member’s Statement)
Mr M G E HENDRICKS: Thank you very much, House Chair. We since
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yesterday when the moon was sited with the naked eye as
professed in the Holy Koran. Today is Eid al-Fitr, the day in
which we received the divine reward and the Almighty’s grace
after the month of Ramadan.
The day of Eid al-Fitr is celebration to mark the end of
Ramadan and the spiritual blessings. Former President, Nelson
Mandela, considered Eid as a celebration for all South
Africans and his wish was that Eid should be national public
holiday. There are provisions to swap public holidays and the
employers should accommodate their Muslim employees to take
off this day without fear or victimisation and deductions from
salary.
Inmates in SA Correctional Centres are now also not left out
from celebrating Eid al-Fitr. Al Jama-Ah applauds the
Department of Correctional Services for implementation of
policy on guidance to allow spiritual leaders to bring
traditional food to prisons on the days of both Eids.
Al Jama-Ah says thank you to the government for this gesture
of ubuntu, and Al Jama-Ah wishes everyone a joyous Eid al-Fitr
Eid Mubarak.


 
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COASTAL DEVELOPMENT TO CREATE JOBS AND SKILLS
(Member’s Statement)
Ms N E MOTAUNG (ANC): Thanks, House Chair. The partnership of
the KwaZulu-Natal Provincial Government and the eLan
Foundation’s Shift Africa in a multi-billion-rand development
will create employment opportunities for 100 000 young people.
The eLan Foundation is the non-profit organisation of the
property and development company eLan Property Group. It was
formed in 2019 to improve the lives of communities in which
the company operates.
The recent job opportunities are as a result of the property
group’s R16-billion Blythedale Coastal Estate Resort
development in the iLembe District.
The estate will include schools, a shopping centre, a
retirement village, a beach resort hotel, upmarket housing and
apartments.
The project will also include the construction of 3 000 low
income social housing units. It will help to reduce the


 
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unemployment and provide skills training, especially for youth
and women. This will yield more business opportunities for
Small, Medium and Micro Enterprises. Thank you, Chair.
WORKERS’ DAY
(Member’s Statement)
Dr M J CARDO (DA): Hon Chairperson, on Sunday we celebrated
Workers’ Day but in truth there was nothing to celebrate.
South Africa is not a nation of workers; we are a nation of
the workless. We have the highest unemployment rate in the
world, 35,3% on the strict definition, or 46,2% if you include
people who have given up looking for work.
Twelve million South Africans don’t have a job. Youth
unemployment is catastrophic and rising. Many of those lucky
enough to have a job are angry and resentful. The cost of
living has gone up but the incomes have remained static. We
saw this frustration boil over on Sunday when President Cyril
Ramaphosa was forced to abandoned his Workers’ Day speech in
Rustenburg. The President was eventually taken away in a
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This humiliating retreat shows that the ANC’s own alliance
partner the Congress of SA Trade Unions, Cosatu, is fed up
with it. Years of corruption and economic mismanagement have
come back to bite the ruling party.
But the anger of the employed is nothing compared to the anger
of the unemployed. We need to address our growing unemployment
crisis as a matter of urgency. That is why the DA says we must
revisit our labour laws, free up the private sectors to create
jobs and stop government drowning small business in red tape.
Thank you.
HANDED OVER OF 11 ANIMAL HANDLING FACILITIES TO FARMING
COMMUNITIES ACROSS BOJANALA DISTRICT BY NORTH WEST DEPARTMENT
OF AGRICULTURE AND RURAL DEVELOPMENT
(Member’s Statement)
Ms K D MAHLATSI(ANC): Thank you very much, House Chair. Animal
infrastructure is one of the key factors of the national
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Creating an enabling environment for farming will not only
contribute to improved health of the animals, but also improve
food security and create more jobs.
We are therefore encouraged with the 11 animal handling
facilities which were handed over to farming communities
across the Bojanala district by the North West Department of
Agriculture and Rural Development.
The facilities are worth R5,9 million and they will include
holding pens, crush pens and animal pest control sprayers. A
borehole has also been drilled at the location of each of the
facilities to improve and provide water for the farmers.
These facilities will make the processes of artificial
insemination, castration, vaccination, dehorning and the
weighing of large and small livestock easier.
These are all necessary resources that assist farmers with
many challenges and provide easier management of their
animals. We hope that these interventions will result in a
positive impact and look forward to this initiative being
rolled out to other districts. Thank you very much, House
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Thank you, hon member.
Hon members, earlier the ACDP indicated that they were not
aware that they had an opportunity for a statement. The hon
Thring came to explain the situation to me and I have granted
now the opportunity to the hon Swart who is on the virtual
platform to make that statement. Hon Swart?
MUNICIPAL GOVERNANCE
(Member’s Statement)
Mr S N SWART (ACDP): Thank you, House Chair. House Chair, the
ACDP is deeply concerned about the state of our
municipalities. There can be no doubt that the majority of
municipalities are in the dysfunctional state due to poor
governance, financial mismanagement and insufficient capacity.
The number of municipalities are in a financial dire strait.
According to Securities and Exchange Board of India, Sebi,
indicators used by the National Treasury has risen from an
already high 86 in 2013-14 to an unacceptable 175 in 2019-20
with a staggering 123 municipalities having passed unfunded
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numerous service delivery protests and is a major concern to
the ACDP.
A National Treasury Review has identified deficiencies in
capacity, especially amongst senior municipal executives and
technical managers responsible for advising political office
bearers has a major contributor to poor performance.
The ACDP calls on Parliament on the Co-operative Governance,
Tradition Affairs Committee as well as National Treasury and
other role players to ensure that the appalling state by our
municipalities is address and improve as this is where service
delivery takes place. I thank you, House Chair.
CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILY OF GARDEE AND THE EFF
GBV AGAINST WOMEN
AFTERMATH OF KWAZULU-NATAL FLOODS
(Minister’s Response)
The MINISTER OF SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT: Thank you very much, hon
Chair. Just for start is to really pass our condolences to the
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they will be there for him. This for us, hon Chair, continues
to raise the problem of gender-based violence in particular
and violence South Africa as a whole. But it also calls upon
us men and women, Members of Parliament and members of our
communities in general to really put aside all forms of
political challenges and focus on this problem because whether
we like it or not it is something that shames all of us in
general as South Africans. It doesn’t point a finger to any
political organisation. So, it is our plea from the Department
of Social Development - can we unite against this issue.
The second issue, Chairperson, which was raised by the hon
Mcpherson is around the issue of KwaZulu-Natal, which by the
way we must remember that it is not only KwaZulu-Natal,
Eastern Cape was also affected. Some parts of the North West
had also been affected. And I do want to say to hon member, if
you want us to give the report that we have of what we have
really done on the ground, please you feel free to do so. We
have made a presentation to the portfolio committee of what we
have done as a Department of Social Development alone. But I
can tell you, the entire government in the three spheres of
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But in closing, I also want to pass the message, Chairperson,
that constructive criticism is useful for South Africa because
sometimes we miss the point or scoring points here and
forgetting about the fact that we need to help our
communities. This issue of climate change and the manner in
which our people are building and the manner in which our
people are living, it is our responsibility collectively as
South Africans to raise this issue to them to say let us
unite. It’s one thing to be opposition. I don’t have a problem
with opposition. We fought for this opposition to be here.
Yes, as a matter of fact we dare. When we wrote the
Constitution we make sure that there is multi-party democracy
in South Africa but not for destruction but for construction.
Thank you.
FLOODS IN KZN
(Ministerial Response)
The MINISTER OF FORESTRY, FISHERIES AND ENVIRONMENT: Thank you
very much, hon House Chair. Allow me this afternoon to
highlight an example of community empowerment and climate
adaptation good practice in the face of the climate change


 
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induced flooding that took place in KwaZulu-Natal a few weeks
ago.
The ... [Inaudible.] ... of the Quarry Road West informal
settlement led by amongst others Ms Thembisa Nomlala, were
able to prevent not a single member of their community from
drowning when 450 homes were swept away on the night of 11
April. Their partnership with the eThekwini Metropolitan
Municipality and the University of KwaZulu-Natal has put in
place an ecosystem restoration project in the Palmiet
catchment area, a flood early warning system and an effective
community evacuation process, all of which led to this
remarkable achievement of preventing deaths when this tragedy
occurred.
As we adapt to the realities of climate change, myself and my
counterpart in KwaZulu-Natal will be supporting this
significant project to expand it into all catchment areas in
the eThekwini Metropolitan area so that we empower communities
to look after themselves in the face of climate change, we
build partnerships between government and communities and we
also set about the urgent and important task of restoring
ecosystem services in those catchments that are now severely
vulnerable to flooding. Thank you very much.


 
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AFTERMATHS OF FLOODS
(Ministerial Response)
The MINISTER OF PUBLIC WORKS AND INFRASTRUCTURE: Thank you,
hon House Chairperson. I also want to pass my condolences to
the Gardee family, and may his daughter’s soul rest in peace.
Just on the disaster in KwaZulu-Natal, as departments we
submit a weekly report in the Disaster Management Centre in
Pretoria. But just briefly, from the public works and
infrastructure, 49 state-owned buildings were damaged. We have
put together a 108 internal and external built environment
professionals to help us with the assessment and the process
for restoration has started. We have also released 258 parcels
of land for resettlements of communities from low-lying flood
areas. The KwaZulu-Natal province also released 193 land
parcels.
Hon Chairperson, we also working on the rural bridges. We have
targeted 18 rural bridges for this financial year. We have
identified another six that will be funded by the province of
KwaZulu-Natal. But all in all we have received another 28
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I will be visiting KwaZulu-Natal again on Thursday to hand
over three of the bridges. However, we are working with the
Department of Defence to work as fast as we can to restore
these rural bridges to allow the communities access to the
latest ... [Inaudible.] ... But the report was also submitted
this morning to the Portfolio Committee of Public Works and
Infrastructure. I thank you, Chairperson.
ZONDO COMMISSION
(Ministerial Response)
The MINISTER OF PUBLIC ENTERPRISES: Good afternoon, Chair and
thank you very much. Let me in the first instance greet all of
our Muslim brothers and sisters Eid al-Fitr (Festival of
Breaking the Fast) and I hope they have a good day with their
families. Secondly, my condolences to the Gardee family on
this terrible loss that they have experienced.
Thirdly, with quick reference to the comments from the hon
member from the DA. We, as the department together with
Transnet have also been involved from day one in the
rehabilitant the harbour making sure that in record time the
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was done with great deal of patience between Transnet and the
private sector company.
There is a huge damage that has been examined and evaluated.
Currently, there are bids out to make sure that we reconstruct
eleven areas between eThekwini and Cato Ridge that have been
seriously damaged by the rain and where the railway lines are
hanging - so to speak, without any foundation. And there has
been frequent interaction with the premier and other
stakeholders as Minister Zulu pointed out as well. All of us
would be totally opposed to any kind of corruption or over
expenditure that is involved in this process.
As far as hon Cachalia is concerned, I think he has got some
facts wrong about Professor Lamola. If he has any other
information he should let me know. I’m informed that his name
doesn’t appear in the Zondo Commission reports. There is no
doubt that we agree with him that now is the time for
prosecution, now is the time for orange overalls. If there is
one lesson to be learned, it is the huge amount of damage that
has been caused to the institutions like Eskom that we are
still in the process of recovering from. Thank you.
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(Ministerial Response)
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF POLICE: Thank you, House Chair. My
camera won’t be switched on owing to connectivity problems
where I am. Chairperson, good afternoon to you and to the hon
members on the virtual and those that are physically in Cape
Town. I want to talk about the issue of the police officers
becoming the enemy of the people as raised by the hon member
of the PAC.
Our view and attitude has always been that we should support
the collaboration between the communities and the police
officers. In this case where an incident is mentioned of a
police officer having shot at protesters, we will definitely
take this matter up and be sure that police officers don’t act
in a manner that is not in accordance of what is expected of
them. We will definitely ensure that this is processed and
dealt with accordingly, so that there is harmonious
relationship between our police officers and communities.
Because our work as the South African Police Service will
never be effective unless we work in collaboration with our
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IFP URGES SOUTH AFRICAN GOVERNMENT TO URGENTLY FIX IMMIGRATION
CRISIS
(Ministerial Response)
The DEPUTY MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS: Thank you very much,
House Chairperson. we welcome the statement that has been made
by hon Liezel on issues pertaining to border management and
border security. We want to make it very clear that we would
not back down in terms of arresting those who are doing wrong
things within our border environment whether within the
country or intending to enter the country illegally. We would
continue to effect arrests on all those who are doing wrong
things whether they are South Africans or they are illegal
foreign nationals or even legal foreign nationals.
We will continue with our work of operationalising the Border
Management Authority, BMA, in order to make sure that we
curtail the openness of our borders and ensuring that they
don’t become porous. We are now in the process of getting more
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We will also continue to do the regular visits as we have been
doing in Maseru as well as Beit bridge where we were also able
to improve our environment and arrest all those that are doing
wrong things. We remain committed to make sure that we guard
the sovereign integrity of our country and the integrity of
our border environment. Thank you.
CONSIDERATION OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT: MUNICIPAL SYSTEMS AMENDMENT
BILL AND OF REPORT OF PORTFOLIO COMMITTEE ON CO-OPERATIVE
GOVERNANCE AND TRADITIONAL AFFAIRS ON AMENDMENTS PROPOSED BY
NATIONAL COUNCIL OF PROVINCES
Mr F D XASA: Thanks hon Chairperson, hon Ministers who might
be around and hon members. The Local Government: Municipal
Systems Amendment Bill has finally gone through both Houses of
Parliament following rigorous public participation processes
as prescribed in terms of section 76 of the Constitution and
as ordered by the Constitutional Court judgement of
8 March 2019. It’s a great milestone in terms of the
recovering of the gains that had been lost through the
invalidation of the Municipal Systems Amendment Act of 2011 by
the court. The court’s judgement was an opportune moment in
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tagging the Bill as a section 76 ... but also to introduce
even more far-reaching reforms than those contemplated in the
amendment Act of 2011.
To professionalise and depoliticise local government
administration, it is necessary that all municipal staff, not
just municipal managers and those managers reporting directly
to them, are prohibited from holding political office while in
the employ of the municipality. This will go a long way in
addressing the very distinction between political leadership
and administration that has tended to characterise local
government.
Some municipal labour bodies will most likely contest this
provision, as previously seen in the case of the SA Municipal
Workers’ Union. However, both Houses have done the legal
groundwork to ensure that the limitations of this right is
constitutional and justifiable, given the important purpose
and public interest served by this provision. Section 36(1) of
the Constitution envisages this scenario to ensure stability,
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Both the Portfolio Committee and the Select Committee on Co-
operative Governance and Traditional Affairs have agreed that
contracts of managers directly accountable to municipal
managers should be permanent, to no longer be at the
discretion of the municipal council ... to make this permanent
or fixed. However, it is of utmost importance to ensure that
these managers have the requisite skills and qualifications
for these positions even though it will be in an acting
capacity. While the Bill has a specific clause that stipulates
this requirement, it is also incumbent upon provincial
executives to ensure that candidates are properly vetted
before concurrence is granted.
So, for the forgoing reasons, the portfolio committee supports
and concurs with the amendments as proposed by the National
Council of Provinces on the Local Government: Municipal
Systems Amendment Bill of 2019, and I ask the House to pass
the Bill.
There was no debate.
The DEPUTY CHIEF WHIP OF THE MAJORITY PARTY: House
Chairperson, I move that the Bill as amended be passed. Thank
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Declaration(s) of vote:
Mr C BRINK: Thank you, Chairperson. Please permit me to leave
my camera off. Hon members, when the previous version of this
Bill served before the House the DA supported it, and the
changes proposed by the National Council of Provinces aren’t
fundamental.
As we pointed out back then, for us the most important
provision of this Bill is the ban on municipal officials
holding elected or appointed office in a political party. The
NCOP amendments do not dilute this political office ban. The
... [Inaudible.] ... amendment Act, which this Bill will
finally replace, had a similar limitation on the right of
municipal officials to be party political office bearers but
the previous prohibition only applied to the municipal manager
and his or her direct reports. Now, and following a
transitional period, all municipal employees will be
prohibited by law from serving on a decision-making body of a
political party in either an elected or appointed capacity.
The DA believes that this fundamental rights limitation is
reasonable and justifiable when weighed against the
constitutional imperative of a professional and apolitical
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of professionalism. If they want to be politicians, they must
stand for elective office. The political office ban contained
in this Bill does not take away this choice.
Cadre deployment, the ANC’s policy of appointing party
political agents in Public Service jobs that require political
impartiality and technical expertise, has done enormous damage
to this country. Together with race quotas in employment,
cadre deployment has made a career in local government
unattractive to many talented professionals. It has destroyed
the service-delivery capacity of hundreds of municipalities
and left communities with unlit and potholed streets, broken
sewerage and electricity systems and in some instances even
the inability to pay salaries. We must try to rebuild the
constitutional wall that is meant to separate party and state.
This provision won’t defeat cadre deployment by itself but at
least it establishes a clear principle in our law. Now, let’s
extend the same principle to the rest of the Public Service,
meaning the provincial Public Service and the national Public
Service.
The most significant difference between the Bill passed by
this House in December 2020 and the version proposed by the
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managers who report directly to the municipal manager to be
appointed on a permanent basis. The municipal manager will
still be appointed on a fixed-term basis.
In theory, fixed-term contracts ought to make performance
management easier and allow an incoming administration to
start with a clean slate. This might still be true for those
positions that are not appointed directly by the municipal
council. However, in practice it is just as difficult to get
rid of incompetent senior managers in a municipality that are
of course appointed by the council on a fixed-term basis as is
the case with permanent appointees. This is the result of
rigid labour laws and even more rigid and frankly, confusing
disciplinary regulations promulgated under the systems Act and
the Municipal Finance Management Act. Many municipal councils
have fallen into the habit of simply buying out the remainder
of a fixed-term contract instead of subjecting its holder to
proper performance management and disciplinary processes. Of
course, this comes at an enormous expense to the public.
As the Western Cape Provincial Government and others pointed
out to the Select and Portfolio Committees on Co-operative
Governance, the turnover of top officials every five years has
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fixed-term turnovers is often also used by municipal councils
to settle political and factional scores, and so, many of the
most experienced and dedicated municipal officials simply do
not apply for top jobs. In this way, the longer-term project
of building a permanent professional Public Service is
undermined in most municipalities.
On balance, the DA’s concerns about this Bill, also expressed
by us when the amendment Act was passed in 2011 ... many of
those concerns remain valid, especially concerns about the
powers granted to the Minister. However, as in 2011, these
concerns don’t prompt us to vote against the Bill, and in
fact, it is critically important that the uncertainties
created by the Constitutional Court declaring the 2011
amendment Act unconstitutional, be resolved. For this reason,
the DA supports this Bill as amended by the NCOP.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Thank you very much, Chairperson. On behalf
of the EFF, we would like to state that the Bill was debated
in the portfolio committee before it was sent to the National
Council of Provinces, and as the EFF we stated our firm
position that all municipal workers must be employed on a
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The ruling party used its majority to oppose this progressive
recommendation by the EFF, meant to protect workers in
municipalities. The NCOP confirmed the EFF’s recommendations
and the NCOP rejected the ANC’s counter-revolutionary stance
of turning workers into permanently enslaved people. Hence,
the Bill is here again.
We were happy that rationality and superior logic prevailed as
we have forced the arrogant ruling party to accept defeat.
They remain the enemy of the workers and we are happy that
workers can see through their pretence. As the EFF, we
reiterate our commitment that the exploitation of workers
through various forms of abusive contracts such as fixed-term
contracts as opposed to permanent jobs must come to an end.
Local government must employ all workers permanently instead
of on fixed-term contracts to provide security for workers.
Fixed-term contracts do not allow workers to plan for their
future. It will be hard for any worker to buy a car, a house
and plan for his or her children’s education. Hence, many
choose the option of corruption, which is not an excuse for
corruption. It also causes instability at municipal level if
municipal workers do not have job security. Therefore, we
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Mr S S ZONDO: Hon House Chairperson, the Bill - first tabled
in 2019, then sent to the National Council of Provinces for
concurrence in 2020. And now returned with the proposed
amendments, legislates very necessary amendments in order to
increase not only accountability and performance of municipal
managers and staff, but also to prevent corruption and
mismanagement of public funds.
Many of our local government structures are nothing but cadre
deployment opportunities, where those employed have little or
no training in the required field of competency, the net
result of which leads to service delivery failures to the
people.
Legislated accountability and performance appraisals of
municipal managers and those managers who report to municipal
managers is long overdue.
Further, uniformity in all staff systems and procedures of a
municipality, as is determined by the Minister through
regulations, is overdue.
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not provided for in the staff establishment of that
municipality should not even have to be written into our law.
It should follow as a matter of course. Unfortunately, that is
not the case in many of our municipalities, hence it now
having to be legislated against.
The Bill grants regulatory powers to the Minister in respect
of municipal managers and managers directly accountable to
municipal managers. This should be so, as the Minister is the
person ultimately responsible for the success and the falter
of local governance structures.
In conclusion, the IFP supports the Report of the Committee
and the amendments as proposed by the Select Committee on
Cooperative Governance and Traditional Affairs, Water,
Sanitation and Human Settlements. I thank you.
Mr I M GROENEWALD: House Chair, the Bill tries to address
matters of professionality, but it is a little too late. It is
however a shame that there must be a law written to implement
professionality within local government. If local government
employed people on merit and not on skin colour or political
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No Act will address the matters of no political will, no
consequence management or cadre deployment if the people for
whom it is written for don’t implement such laws, as we do
have lawless local government, and this is confirmed by the
Auditor-General, AG, year on year.
Hon House Chair, I want to repeat what I said previously, due
to the decay of infrastructure, political interference and no
political leadership in ANC municipalities, professionals
don’t want their name associated with such municipalities in
fear that it will reflect badly on their professional career.
We have seen this many times, where professionals are employed
by municipalities and gave relevant advice. Such advice has
been ignored by political leadership of the ANC because it
does not suit their pocket lining and afterwards those
professionals are made the scapegoat.
This Bill has proved that the ANC failed miserably in local
government and cadre deployment is coming back to bite them.
If the ANC do not act on the lawlessness and disregard for law
of municipal employees and elected representatives of the ANC,
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The FF Plus do support the Bill though. Thank you House Chair.
Mr S N SWART: House Chair, it cannot be denied that the policy
of cadre deployment has contributed to the dismal state of
affairs at local government level, where many officials were
either not professional or sufficiently qualified have been
deployed.
When this Bill was introduced way back in 2011, it was widely
supported, sadly it could not be implemented ... [Inaudible.]
... has been found unconstitutional by the Constitutional
Court in 2019 due to incorrect tagging. The Bill was then
corrected and this Bill now seeks to address these issues by
prohibiting municipal managers and managers who are directly
accountable to municipal mangers from holding political office
in political parties, as well as regulating the employment of
municipal employees who have been dismissed.
The ACDP believes that this will go a long way to prevent
political deployment of persons who are not properly qualified
to perform necessary municipal functions. It will also stop
the practice of those managers and other staff members who
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We also welcome the further far reaching amendments that have
been introduced to professionalise and depoliticised the
issues related to municipalities and these were added by both
the Cooperative Governance and Traditional Affairs, CoGTA,
Portfolio Committee and then the NCOP Select Committee. And we
commend both these committees for the commitment to address
these serious challenges at local government level across the
political divide. The ACDP will then support the Bill as
amended by NCOP and this report. I thank you.
Ms A M SHAIK EMAM: House Chairperson, the NFP welcomes the
Report of Portfolio Committee on Cooperative Governance and
Traditional Affairs, on the Consideration of Local Government,
Municipal Systems Amendment Bill. Let us at the very outset
advise that the NFP supports this Bill.
Now, hon House Chairperson, yes indeed, I think this is long
overdue and it augurs well for the future, particularly if we
can take this to all spheres of government, to ensure that
those that are employed in the different spheres of government
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And we do know House Chairperson, what the quality of the some
of the administration that we have, particularly at local
government level, where only 18 out of 257 municipalities who
were found to have had clean governance.
And more importantly House Chairperson, is that interference
and the collusion between political parties - and let me
reiterate the point that all political parties wherever they
govern, only employ their own people and this will go a long
way to prevent that and ensure that there is a transparent
process with no political interference even in the employment
of the administrative staff.
But it is important to note that, when we do that hon House
Chairperson that, a fixed term contract simply means to a
person that there’s no assurance or guarantee that you can
even go in and – like I think my hon colleague from the EFF
said:
You cannot even go and make commitment in terms of buying a
home or buying a car and things of that nature.
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services, well then indeed you will have the job for the rest
of your life, but if you are not then we must be able to
remove you. And the NFP will support this Bill. Thank you.
Mr M G E HENDRICKS: Hon House Chair, Al Jama-ah supports the
amendments to the Bill, especially in the City of Cape Town,
where cadre deployment is at its highest and where we find
that preference is given to mostly white males, even white
females are left out. So, we really support this Bill. Thank
you very much hon House Chair.
Ms D R DIREKO: Thank House Chairperson, Chief Whip and Deputy
Chief Whip, Ministers and Deputy Ministers on the platform,
Members of Parliament on the platform and those present here.
Hon Brink, I think we need to school you about ANC’ cadre
development for it seems like you are confusing it with your
all white party, the DA, whereby you employ people because of
their skin colour instead of their credentials. Hence you will
always come here and howl about the cadre deployment because
you don’t understand it.
Hon Mkhaliphi, we note your grandstanding, it’s within the
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always have a tendency that every time when you come here you
will howl because you are used to being oppressed in the
organisation.
As the ANC, we understand the importance of engagement. We
persuade and be persuaded. That’s how [Interjections.]
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Point of order Chair?
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon member on the
podium. What is the point of order hon Mkhaliphi?
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: Chair, are we discussing the amendment of
the Bill or are we attacking each other here because we are
equal to the task? We need to be protected.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): That’s not a point of
order hon member.
Ms H O MKHALIPHI: She must stick to the debate. She must not
attack us Chairperson because we can also attack her and it’s
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon Mkhaliphi, it’s
not a point of order. Order hon members. Hon members here in
the Chamber, don’t get excited. Continue hon member.
Ms D R DIREKO: Thank you House Chair. The ANC remains
committed to the vision of capable, ethical and developmental
state as articulated in the National Development Plan. This
was described as the state that has capacity to formulate and
champion social compact which mobilised sections of the
society including private sector, working class and
communities with the intention to lead a developmental agenda
in addressing the triple challenges of poverty, unemployment
and inequality.
We have made significant stride in building this developmental
state. However, we recognise the fact that it has not been the
easiest task more especially in local government based on the
state that we find local government. Local government is the
face of government. When people want to understand anything
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It is for this reason that the ANC supports the report and
proposes amendment to the Municipal Systems Bills. This will
have a direct impact on strengthening political and
administrative interface, human resource capacity and service
delivery local government level.
The amendments are in the spirit that has been intended in our
Constitution, Section 154(1) which provide that I quote:
“The national and provincial government by legislative
and other measures must support and strengthen the
capacity of municipalities to manage their own affairs to
exercise their powers and functions.”
The ANC locates the importance of Municipal Systems Act in the
1998 White Paper on local government which recognised that the
democratic state inherited from the apartheid regime which was
of poor local governance system which were characterised by
unskilled and disempowered frontline workers as well as poor
coordination between the department, lack of performance
management system and under representation of women
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Local government’s mandate was articulated in the White Paper
and still requires new capacities, attitude and approach which
will strengthen the relationship between the municipal council
and administration, the management and the workforce,
community members, municipalities and relevant stakeholders.
The ANC views this amendment as an advantage towards achieving
the vision of developmental state and the objectives stated in
the White Paper or local government during the fundamental
stage of our democratic dispensation.
Firstly, the ANC welcomes the amendment in Section 57
providing that any staff member who has been dismissed for
financial misconduct contemplated in the local government
Municipal Finance Act, corruption or fraud that they may not
be re-employed for a period of five years.
This is in line with our commitment to fight corruption,
maladministration and unethical conduct across the state. This
is significant because corruption erodes the capacity of the
state to deliver services as well as facilitating development.
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what is expected of them, the wrong elements and there must be
severe consequence management to those who are doing wrong
things in local government.
Secondly, we note the proposed amendment to provide that the
employer’s contract of managers directly accountable to the
municipal managers must be on permanent basis. This will allow
for institutional instability, keeping institutional memory,
the development and retention of human resources at senior
management level in municipalities.
Furthermore, this will also allow continuity and ensure that
changes in local government are not disruptive to the
administration and do not compromise service delivery.
Sesotho:
Empa, dimasepala tsa rona le tsona di lokela hore di etse
mosebetsi o lokileng nakong eo ba hirang batho. Ba hire batho
ba nang le bokgoni, batho bao e leng hore bana le thupello mme
ba se ke ba hira feela.
English:


 
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So, therefore we urge Cogta that they must make sure that they
put strict requirements for these positions and qualifications
requirement should be of higher level.
The new amendment also provides that staff members in the
municipalities are prevented from holding political office in
political parties, whether permanent or acting capacity. This
will encourage a healthy political administrative interface
which will ensure that administrative decisions are insulated
from political influences. This is ANC’s a long standing
position which we have consistently maintained since our
manifesto towards 2011 local government elections.
Over the years, we’ve been proven right as observed by the
state of local government report which highlighted that this
is one of the contributing factors of the degeneration of our
municipalities. Our municipalities are highly politicised.
Most of our municipal staff are also politically active and
have a high political influence outside the municipal
environment and that makes it difficult for service delivery
to be achieved because when they have their political issues
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Finally, we welcome the strengthening of Section 57 to provide
for the appointment of senior managers that after appointments
have been made, their service level agreement must be signed
within 60 days of the appointment.
The ANC will also play its role in ensuring that the key
performance indicators model is developed to ensure that there
is no reduction in compliance but tangible deliverables that
managers must achieve in their function within a reasonable
timeframe.
The agreement will also assist in strengthening
accountability. If managers or directors fail to perform what
they have been appointed for, then there will be necessary
steps to be followed and if necessary face dismissal as we
cannot have liabilities in municipalities.
Towards the 2021 local government elections, the ANC developed
a performance contract [Time expired.] Thank you. We support
the Bill.
Question put.
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Bill, as amended, accordingly passed.
DEBATE ON FREEDOM DAY: CONSOLIDATING OUR DEMOCRATIC GAINS BY
GIVING ENHANCED MEANING TO OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS THROUGH
THE BUILDING OF A MORE EQUITABLE SOCIETY
Ms T M JOEMAT-PETTERSSON: Hon House Chairperson, hon Chief
Whip, hon Deputy Chief Whip, Ministers, Deputy Ministers, hon
members, we would like to wish our Muslim compatriots and
fellow South Africans Eid Mubarak. Allow me to join those who
have extended their condolences to the former EFF Secretary
General, Adv Gardee. Hon members from the opposition and the
ANC, today we received one of the most important letters from
our President, the most significant letter that we have ever
received since our democracy. Our President said that the
workers have spoken and we must listen. Do you understand
workers? Obviously, many of you don’t.
The President’s letter says that the voices of the workers
have been heard and he has called for a social compact between
government, labour and business to solve the workers’
complains of the workers. He has also called on all of us to
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President Ramaphosa indicated to us that, when he addressed
workers two days ago, they demonstrated their unhappiness with
their wages and their conditions of employment. That event has
become the hallmark of Freedom Day. What it means is that the
people of South Africa have the right to voice their concerns,
they have the right to have their voices heard and they have
the right to express their complains and their opinions
freely. This is what freedom means.
Originally, Freedom Day was about the ability of all to choose
the political leadership they wanted. Now, we reach out for
economic freedom, which is about everyone having the ability
to choose the job they want. That is the economic freedom we
now are building on in the second phase of our struggle. This
is how we need to assist our economy in allowing people to
choose how to live their lives.
In the 1980s, we received an important letter from our
President, O R Tambo. It came to us in the form of a song.
That song was, and I quote:
I received a letter, coming from O R Tambo.
We can free ourselves.


 
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You can throw the bombs now; we can free ourselves.
[Interjections.] [Applause.]
There are three important events that took place in our
country over the past few days. The first important event was
Freedom Day, the second was a MK Unity Conference and the
third was May Day. Today, World Press Freedom Day, we have the
freedom of expression. All these three events highlighted that
we are in the second phase of our liberation struggle – the
struggle for economic freedom. Military veterans received a
letter from President O R Tambo to shoot and sabotage for our
national liberation. At the MK Unity Conference, President
Ramaphosa implored us to stop the sabotage of our economy, of
our economic infrastructure, for our own economic freedom.
President Ramaphosa spoke to the working class. He gave them a
letter and he said that we must fight a collective battle for
our economic freedom, our freedom against poverty,
unemployment and inequality, and that this was the cornerstone
of the second phase of our struggle and that we do not dare to
fail the unemployed and our workers.
Immediately after the occasion of 29 April, South Africa,
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Constitution. We have a Constitutional Court presided over by
world-class jurists, to interpret and defend our Constitution.
We have established a number of other institutions to give
effect to our Constitution, including the Independent
Electoral Commission, the Human Rights Commission and the
Commission for Gender Equality.
We have scrapped all the old race laws, guaranteed freedom of
speech and the press, protected the rights of the LGBTQI plus
community and advanced the rights of women in many spheres of
their lives. We have brought clean water to millions of South
Africans, connected millions to the electricity grid. We
integrated public schools that used to be racially segregated
as well as the country’s universities and other institutions
of higher learning. We raised the literacy rate and brought
free health care to millions of children. We ended diplomatic
isolation and rejoined the community of nations, so as to play
an influential role on the international stage.
The South African government continues to provide a lifeline
and a source of income for 18 million indigent people and 11
million benefit from the R350 relief grant. Tertiary education
is now possible to many young people from working class
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We reaffirm our commitment to the Constitution. We did not
envisage a country where we would have corruption, gender-
based violence, theft, crime. We were, as the ANC, central to
the negotiations that culminated in the development of the
South Africa we live in, but yet our constitutional democracy
is still not enough.
Our primary mission as the governing party now and has always
been to mobilise all the classes and strata that objectively
stand to gain from the success of the cause of social change
and economic change.
Let us all unite to defend the gains of our democracy by
fighting the scourge of corruption, by fighting the scourge of
gender-based violence.
Afrikaans:
Ons oorgang word gekenmenrk deur verskillende fases met
verskillende benaderings. Aan die begin van ons demokrasie het
ons op die bou van ons samelewing gefokus. Nou het ons ’n
fokus op die bou van ons ekonomie.
Ons moet vooortgaan om stelsels te bou, om in hierdie
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herverdelingskomponent te bou, wat poog om uiterste armoed en
kwesbaarheid te verminder.
English:
Our first setback as a country is that managing policy
contestation is harder because of the institutional
fragmentation of the state. Different state agencies have
mandates that align with divergent constituencies. The second
setback is the emergency expenditure programmes to address
scourges such as Covid-19, which has ballooned the already
high debt to GDP ratio and placed into question many large
developmental infrastructure projects.
The social compact that we need between labour, government,
business and state to solve workers’ complains will be at the
cornerstone of government’s joined plan to act in unison and
solve silos, duplication and fragmentation.
Our oversite role as a Parliament is about the legislative arm
strengthening the executive and not hounding in Parliament and
hounding the executive. We have an inclusive economic growth
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The past 28 years have affirmed that it is policy choices that
are the outcomes of class and political contestation. The
state rules and enforces collectively, binding decisions in
the common interests, but these common interests depend on the
capacity of competing social forces to exercise influence over
the state.
As the ruling party for the past 28 years, we have been
subjected to that contestation, sometimes hidden and sometimes
in the open. However, in all that contestation, we have always
been biased to the working-class and the poor and will
continue to do so.
It is necessary for us to celebrate freedom Day, bearing in
mind that our transition is characterised by different phases
with different emphases. Our transition was never about
freedom from political bondage only. From the onset,
democratisation was inextricably linked to freedom from
socioeconomic bondage captured in the motto, a better life for
all.
The second phase of our struggle is again, I repeat, about
economic freedom. The transformation in land ownership showed
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of land and voted in this nature. The production and the
change of ownership of the means of production will only
happen through our tripartite alliance and a smooth and
vibrant functioning of our tripartite alliance.
With this, I wish to agree with agree with our President that
the workers have spoken and we must listen.
Setswana:
Ke a leboga.
IsiXhosa:
Enkosi kakhulu.
Ms S GWARUBE: House Chair, our deepest condolences must be
extended to the Gardee family on the tragic loss of their
daughter.
IsiXhosa:
Sithi kubo mabalale ngenxeba ...
English:
... we can never consider ourselves free until the war against
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may we never forget or take for granted the incredible feat it
was for South Africa to become a constitutional democracy. Our
transition to democracy did not only have a global
significance, it signalled a new beginning for a people that
had been oppressed and alienated by colonialism and apartheid.
In 1994, the nation could finally dream of a better South
Africa, where the colour of your skin and the texture of your
hair did not determine your lot in life. However, that dream
then soon turned into a nightmare for the 35% of working age
South Africans who are without work, for the seven out of 10
young people who are unable to live a life of dignity as they
battle endemic unemployment and the 30 million South Africans
who are living in poverty. Having marked Freedom Day with the
people of Alfred Nzo last week, it was evident that freedom
remains a theoretical concept that is not a lived reality for
many parts of our country. Local municipalities have been
hollowed out and they have been looted and completely
incapacitated as a result ...
IsiXhosa:
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They have long lost hope in this government’s ability to
deliver a better life for them. That became clear when
President Ramaphosa was prevented from delivering a May Day
address on Sunday, because workers are demanding better from
their employer and this government. People are tired of empty
words like from the speaker before me, which are cold comfort
in a country where the rising cost of living compounds our
poverty crisis.
IsiXhosa:
Abantu balambile, abantu abanayo imisebenzi, abantu
abazifumani iinkonzo kurhulumente. Abantu bonele kukubukela
amasela karhulumente esiba imali ebekelwe ukuphuhlisa eli.
Badiniwe kukufunda ...
English:
... about the findings of the Zondo Commission, detailing how
many in government and indeed in this House have robbed us
blind.
IsiXhosa:
Abantu ba ...
English:


 
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The chasing of the President out of the North West is only the
beginning of things to come. People can no longer be fed lies
and history lessons about the liberation movement that fought
against oppression. The true barometer of the freedom of this
country is how this government tackles the unemployment and
poverty crisis. No South African is free when more than half
of the country is poor, and no South African is free when
millions of young people cannot find work. Twenty-eight years
later, South Africa is indeed in need of a different form of
liberation. They need to be free from governments sponsored
poverty and the life of indignity. Thank you.
Ms N V MENTE: Thank you very ... [Inaudible.]
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Hon members, it is
clear that the hon member is having a challenge with the
network. [Interjections]
Ms O M C MAOTWE: House Chair!
Mr N F SHIVAMBU: House Chair, can we request that you take the
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The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Mr C T Frolick): Yes, thank you, I was
going to do that. Order hon members. Order! We will go to the
next speaker and then we will return to the hon Mente. The
next speaker is the hon Singh from the IFP. The hon Singh!
Mr N SINGH: Thank you very hon House Chair. Firstly, let me on
behalf of the IFP offer our sincere condolences to the Gardee
family on this very tragic and sad loss. I also want to on the
same breath wish all our Muslim brothers and sisters Eid
Mubarak during this time.
The IFP was founded and operates upon three key values. They
are, solidarity, freedom, and unity in diversity. These values
are intrinsically interconnected. This too, can be said of us
as South Africans. All must be free or none can experience
true freedom. As a people who were oppressed and deprived of
basic human rights by the former apartheid regime, we well
know that the attainment of our freedom was hard-fought and
hard-won.
As the IFP, we would also like to acknowledge all freedom
fighters, including the contributions our founder and
President Emeritus, Prince Mangosuthu Buthelezi, a man who has
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is a champion of freedom for all. Chairperson yet, his labours
and ours are not yet over, and the pursuit of freedom remains.
Although 27 April 1994 marked the day that all South Africans
were afforded political freedom, tragically, almost 30 years
later, most do not have economic freedom or socioeconomic
parity. According to a March 2022 World Bank report, South
Africa is the most unequal country in the world, ranked first
among 164 countries in the bank’s global poverty database. In
2020, the Children’s Institute at the University of Cape Town
reported that 2,1 million children lived in households that
reported hunger. Of these, 22% were from KwaZulu-Natal and 19%
from Gauteng.
How can we speak of freedom when millions of children go to
bed hungry and uncertain of when they will get their next
meal? As the IFP, we call on the government of the day to
accept responsibility for some of these failures.
House Chair, in addition to crippling poverty and hunger, it
is widely reported that service delivery and accountability
are nonexistent. Levels of crime remain high, while the
justice system is shackled by a lack of resources and
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daily media reports of violent crimes offer any indication,
neither are they safe.
Chairperson, further under the ruling party, corruption is so
rife that government’s default position for new projects seems
to announce measures that will hopefully prevent monies from
being stolen. Instead of spending the money, we want to guard
the people that are going to spend the money. This daylight
robbery of taxpayers’ funds is the true thief of freedom.
Every rand of irregular, fruitless and wasteful expenditure
translates into another child going to bed hungry, or a rural
community not getting a much needed bridge, or school.
As the IFP, we believe that the people of South Africa will
only truly be free when they have sufficient food, they have
access to water and electricity and they are safe; their homes
are not built on floodplains, and all have universal access to
decent healthcare.
This belief and our hope for a just, prosperous, and moral
society, as well as our commitment to servant leadership that
puts the people first, is what guides everything we do as a
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In conclusion, we will continue to hold government to account,
and call out corruption. Where we govern, we are committed to
efficient service delivery. As the IFP, we stand in solidarity
with the people of South Africa, and will continue to work for
and with communities so that they can also attain economic
freedom, solidarity and justice. I thank hon Chair.
Ms O M C MAOTWE: House Chair ...
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Yes, hon Maotwe.
Ms O M C MAOTWE: Can I take it on behalf of hon Mente? Her
network is bad.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): No problem, proceed.
Ms O M C MAOTWE: Thank you, House Chair. We want to reiterate
that we are paying our last respect to the fearless activist,
Hillary Gardee, a daughter to our former secretary general,
commissar Godrich Gardee. May her beautiful and caring soul
rest in the revolutionary peace. We also wish to thank all
political parties who have done so by wishing and sending
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Chairperson, this year marks the 28th year since black people
were allowed to vote for the first time in this country on the
basis of one man one vote. That day, marked the end of formal
apartheid and the beginning of political freedom for all. The
freedom we attained in 1994 has however proven holler for most
of our people who remain landless, jobless and homeless. Our
mothers had to battle the apartheid laws and forced by the ANC
that removed them from the side of the road where they made a
living by selling food instead of helping them to formalise
their businesses.
The 28 years of political freedom are a hollow victory to the
almost 74% of young people between the ages of 18 and 35 who
are unemployed in this country and are now only been paid
R350. That, does not afford a food basket in this country. It
is meaningless to the more than 46% of the unemployed in the
country including over 50% of the population of the Eastern
Cape and Limpopo that remains unemployed. In 1994, the
unemployment rate stood at 20,5% for a standard definition of
unemployment and 31,5% for the expanded definition.
In the first quarter of 2014, the standard definition of
unemployment stood at 25,2% and expanded rate of unemployment
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political freedom 35,3% of our people are unemployed and the
expanded definition of unemployment stands at 46%. This place
credence to our claim that political freedom is meaningless
without economic freedom because our people will not eat
voting rights. They need bread, they need homes, they need
quality education and they need land from which they can grow
their own food. House Chair, over the past 15 years our public
schooling system has consistently enrolled over a million
learners for grade 1. However, consistently over the same
number of years, just above 500 000 learners seat to write
their final matric exams. This means that 50% of young people
are lost from the education system every year.
In 1994, the government of the ANC promised to redistribute
30% of agricultural land back to black people by 1999. Today,
28 years later, just over 10% of the land has been distributed
back to black people. The land claims process which was
started in 1994, led to more than 79 000 land claims lost by
1998. Today, the government has not yet completely settled
these claims. There are thousands of old men and women who
died waiting for their land or for compensation for being
forcefully removed from their land. Today, the government that
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struggle for land and now want to back white landowners to
donate land back to black people.
Our struggle for land has been reduced into a charity case in
terms of which white land thieves can decide out of the
goodness of their hearts to donate back stolen land to those
from whom they stole it. Our state-owned enterprises which
were used by the colonial and apartheid regimes to deal
decisively with the problem of unemployment ... [Inaudible.]
... has now been reduced into rubble. Eskom, which was not
long ago among the world’s best power producers has now been
reduced into a ghost institution. It is unable to satisfy the
energy needs of this country. Sasol and Telkom have been fully
and partially privatised respectively. The SAA has been
partially privatised, Denel is on its knees and Transnet is a
playground for white companies’ interests.
These institutions are crucial for driving development in the
country. Without strong state-owned enterprises, we can simply
kiss any chance of massive industrialisation goodbye. Small
business owners in our townships and in small towns are wholly
at the mercy of protection rackets who have created their own
parallel state because the country’s security forces are
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of the worst murder rate in the world. Our security services
are completely clueless on what needs to be done to safeguard
the interest of the citizens.
What is a true freedom? True freedom lies in recognising and
employing the youth wherein failure to employ them should
result in a form of compensation for going to school with a
graduate grant. True freedom lies in having land returning to
the indigenous people of this country. It lies in having
habitable homes for the vast majority of our people. It lies
in freedom of movement for women and children without having
to worry about being kidnapped, raped and killed. True freedom
lies in quality education for each and every child in this
country, it lies in having functional public hospitals, in
having municipalities delivering services to our people. True
freedom lies in having the mineral wealth of this country
benefiting the vast majority of the citizens, not a select few
fat cats.
True freedom is a country that prioritise industrialisation
for the people, capacitate the state to render services for
the citizens of this country and until we attain economic
freedom for all in this lifetime, we have nothing to
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Ms H DENNER: Thank you, hon House Chair. Please, allow me to
convey our deepest condolences to the Gardee family with the
terrible loss they’ve suffered. We will keep them in our
prayers. Hon House Chair, the Constitution guarantees us as
citizens certain freedoms, such as the freedom from being
discriminated against and freedom from bodily harm. It
furthermore guarantees us certain rights like the right to
equality, human dignity, life, food, access to water, access
to service delivery and to education. Wonderful! “Mooi”
[Beautiful] stories.
However, if the Bill of Rights is the yardstick that we
measure against, how free are we truly? How are we free if we
as women cannot walk home from a shop without having to look
over our shoulder? If a farmer cannot go to bed at night
without having to sleep with the firearm next to his bed, just
to keep himself and his family alive for one more day. How are
we free if a mother must go to sleep at night hungry so that
her children could eat while wondering where tomorrow’s food
will come from? Are we as women freer than we were in
September 2019, when we protested against gender-based
violence and femicide outside Parliament, when the President
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I recently asked the question to the Minister of Justice and
Correctional Service about how exactly how many of these
courts have been established to date? I received a long-winded
reply, basically confirming that none of these,
specifically from this additional courts have been established
up to now. Meanwhile; Charlene October, Florence Schwartz ...
[Sound Interjections.] ... have lost their freedom and their
lives due to gender-based violence ... [Inaudible.] ... The
unemployment rate has risen to 35,3%. The highest it has ever
been.
Youth unemployment for youth aged 15 to 24 years in no form of
education or training is at a staggering 66,5%. Is this
freedom? Workers in South Africa are caught in a hopeless
spiral of unemployment. What is government’s response to this?
They strengthened legislation that makes employment creation
impossible. How will workers ever be free? Local economies are
dying due to the lack of service delivery, which is probably
the only thing that South Africans or indeed free of these
days. We are free from quality service delivery, we are free
from consistent waste and refuse removal, from quality water
supply, proper roads infrastructure and functioning
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Afrikaans:
Nog iets waarvan Suid-Afrikaners vry is, is volhoubare
elektrisiteitsvoorsiening. Waarom? Omdat infrastruktuur
onderhoud en ontwikkeling vir hierdie regering ’n uitheemse
konsep is, wat telkemale sneuwel voor die drang van korrupsie,
selfsug en wanbestuur. Is die verbruiker, voedsel en werk
voorsiener, werker en belastingbetaler in Suid-Afrika werklik
vry in die ware sin van die woord? Nee, ons is nie. Ons is nie
eers vry om ons erfenis en geskiedenis te herdenk nie, want
selfs dit word vertrap ter wille van ’n kwynende ANC
meerderheid se geykte politieke ideologieë.
English:
We will never be free if our Constitutional rights remain only
on paper. No democratic gains would mean anything if mothers
and fathers can’t put food on the table because they cannot
find work, if learners don’t receive quality education because
it is simply not made available, if local economies cannot
thrive because the power is shut off twice a day for hours ...
[Inaudible.] ... if citizens don’t have the freedom of
movement because crime is rampant and law enforcement is
missing in action and if we do not have a government that
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We may have gained democracy on paper and the Constitution
that promises every freedom in the world but we are not free,
hon House Chair. Our jailer has merely been replaced. I thank
you.
Rev K R J MESHOE: Thank you, House Chairperson, I want to
convey the ACDP’s condolences to the Gardee family and the EFF
on the tragic loss of their daughter.
According to the founding provisions of our Constitution, the
Republic of South Africa is one sovereign democratic state
founded on, amongst other things, values such as human
dignity, the achievement of equality and the advancement of
human rights and freedom.
The theme of this year’s Freedom Day celebrations was
“Consolidating Our Democratic Gains”. I believe the more
accurate theme should have been “Counting Our Democratic
Losses” as there is enough evidence to prove that as a nation,
we are regressing and not progressing.
When asked by the SA Broadcasting Corporation, SABC, how they
were going to celebrate Freedom Day, the vast majority of
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due to poor service delivery or lack thereof was cited by most
respondents as the reason they had nothing to celebrate. One
respondent tweeted on @MorningLiveSABC:
What freedom? It was meant to be for all who live in
South Africa. Instead, we have apartheid in reverse,
looting of all the coffers that should be assisting the
poor and marginalised and poor education levels leading
to less job opportunities for the youth.
How can people celebrate freedom when their human dignity,
human rights and freedom are undermined by poverty caused by
high unemployment, corruption, red tape and government’s
inefficiency? Citizens, particularly women and children are
not free to enjoy their communities or walk the streets
without fear of being attacked and raped. Parents are
concerned by reports of children being kidnapped at schools
and ransom being demanded by the criminals who kidnap them.
In addition, we have a severe energy crisis which impacts
negatively on sustainable development, job creation and our
dream of economic freedom. Without an efficiently-run Eskom,
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incurred over the past two years due to hard lockdowns.
Government continues to fail South Africans in this regard.
It has been reported that in a foreword to a book about
Koeberg by Dr John Maree where he wrote that between 1960 and
1992, Eskom was able to reduce the real price of electricity
by 35%, and they predicted that by the end of this century,
they would be able to reduce the real price of electricity by
another 10%. Unfortunately, that is not happening.
Eskom’s notable legacy has since been reduced to ongoing
breakdowns, continued threats of load shedding, and impacts
the very core of our economic struggles. [Time expired.]
Mr B N HERRON: Thank you, House Chairperson, in the early days
of the COVID-19 pandemic, as the world blocked down and nobody
knew where we were going, wise people were quick to remind us
that crisis presents an environment for new opportunities to
flourish. It was Albert Einstein who said: “In the midst of a
crisis, lies great opportunity.” Even the nursery tale of the
“Three Little Pigs” taught us that when people live in houses
made of straw, and a great wind comes and blow them down, it
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South Africa entered the pandemic teetering on the edge of the
economic disaster and psychological despair. Unemployment,
extreme poverty and inequality were not COVID-19 inventions.
What COVID-19 helped to do, to some extent, was to remove the
blinkers from the eyes of those who didn’t want to see. It
forced the middle class to see the miserable lives that many
of our fellow South Africans still live due to our collective
failures to create a more just and equal society 28 years
after consigning apartheid to history. It forced our leaders
to account for their leadership. It helped focus our
collective minds on what kind of society we would like to be.
There were promising early signs including community action
networks, twinning affluent and nonaffluent areas, food
gardens and feeding schemes that sprung up across the country.
This third Freedom Day in the presence of the pandemic is a
good time for us to reflect on how we have done. We have had
enough time to go through the initial stage of the disaster
and see what’s left to build a nation on sturdier legs of
spatial, social, economic, and environmental justice. It is to
our great detriment that malfeasance continue to define the
South African story. Instead of adopting a forward-looking
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we are continuously back in the sewers of the national
narratives, looting and mismanagement. Instead of using this
period to conduct the necessary planning to implement a basic
income grant, we have tinkered it around the edges with a
temporary R350 per month emergency grant. Instead of our
cities recognizing the growing need to house desperately
homeless people, they are evolving into squalid tent cities.
We must not fall into the privileged trap of questioning
whether there is anything to celebrate on Freedom Day. The
triumph of peace is still navigating our way out of 350 years
of statutory white privilege was fundamental. But as we saw in
last year’s elections, people are losing faith in the old
parties, in politics and in the fact that their lives are not
yet better.
When we look objectively at our performance under the extreme
pressures of COVID-19, we have to say that if there was an
opportunity, we seem to have missed it.
The flooding reminds us to brace ourselves for increasingly
disastrous climatic events, and as elected representatives we
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deepening of the crisis of poverty and unsustainable living.
Thank you.
Mr B B NODADA: House Chairperson, on 27th April, in 1994, our
nation ended oppression and was filled with the hope and
expectation of a better life for all. Yet, 28 years later,
there is growing poverty and joblessness caused by the ANC
government – a new form of oppression.
Real freedom comes from jobs, clean water and sanitation, a
good health care, safe communities and good education. Freedom
without these is not real freedom.
Education is a key tool to realise opportunity that enables
real freedom as was the dream from the generation of 1976, who
fought against an inferior Bantu education. It is unacceptable
that we still find ourselves in a similar position despite
attaining political freedom. Our education system still
produces a vast majority of learners that drop out, that are
underskilled, and end up jobless, and join the 3,3 million
youth not in education, employment and skills training.
Like Bantu education, some of our schools are still made of
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1 500 underqualified teachers, which will negatively affect
the delivery of quality teaching and skills transfer. This
only widens the inequality gap in education especially where
learners in rural and township areas are unable to take full
advantage of education to get them out of poverty.
The reality is that if you are born a poor child, growing up
in rural or township South Africa, you would most likely be
one of the 50% of Grade 1 pupils who will never write a matric
examination. You may be one of the four in five Grade 4
learners who can’t read or write for meaning. Most certainly,
you would be part of the 80% of children who received an
education that is amongst the very worst world in almost all
indicators. An education that will consign you to a lifetime
of poverty.
If through sheer grit and determination you manage to beat
these odds of poor infrastructure, poor quality teaching and
survive dying in a pit toilet to pass a matric exam, chances
are, you would be part of the 75% of matrics without a
bachelor’s pass. If through hard work, you manage to attain a
diploma or degree, you might be part of the thousands of
graduates sitting at home or standing at the robots looking
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When the ANC education system is done with you, you may be
part of the seven in every 10 young South Africans without a
job and have no real freedom to break away from poverty and
joblessness – the new form of oppression.
The classroom has the opportunity to provide a space for
freedom, a space where our children can think critically and
remove the boundaries that seek to hold us back. The
classroom, through the practice of quality teaching has the
power to teach learners to confidently take advantage of
opportunity and be a tool to end poverty despite one’s
background.
Where the DA governs, more children stay in school. School
infrastructure is built and maintained and quality teaching is
monitored. That’s why more parents take their children to DA-
governed municipalities.
It is time that the ANC does the same, because without a
decent education, any form of freedom for poor South Africans
in particular, will remain simply elusive. ... [Time expired.]
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Ms K D MAHLATSI: Hon Chairperson, let me also take this
opportunity to send our condolences to the Gardee family, from
the ANC, ...
Setswana:
... re are go lelapa la ga Gardee le EFF, loso ke ngwetsi ya
malapa otlhe. Le mo maemong a, e santse ele Modimo.
English:
May her soul rest in peace. Chairperson, honesty and truth is
a very expensive commodity when it comes to the opposition in
this House. They will continue to mislead our people in
believing that the ANC-led government has done nothing for our
people since the dawn of democracy. They will continue to
defend the benefits of the apartheid brutalities on our people
with an intention of maintaining the status quo. However,
denying the truth doesn’t change facts. It is a fact,
apartheid divided us, left us poor and continues to inflict
poverty through stubborn unchanging economic patterns of
monopoly capital which has downed us into an unequal society.
It is indeed a fact that citizens acquired extensive rights
and freedom and the deliverable number of social benefits have
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remains, while ownership and control of the economy laid
predominately with monopoly capital under white minority
control. It is undisputed that the democratic government has
successfully provided many services which were ...
[Inaudible.] ... to, not possible under the apartheid regime.
However, even during period of relatively strong domestic
economic growth in the late 90s and the early 2000, crisis
levels of unemployment, inequality and poverty persists. As we
commemorate 28 years of our freedom, as the ANC, we will not
fear to tell the people of South Africa that it is not yet
uhuru. We will not fear to tell the people of South Africa
that political freedom is yet to translate to translate into
economic freedom. We will not further fear to tell the people
of South Africa that 300 years of colonialism and apartheid
has landed us where we are today, its reality.
The recent R300 million pay check to the Sibanye-Stillwater
CEO is a brazen display of a normalisation of high levels of
the income inequality. This happens when workers who extract
the precious minerals and little wages without decent shelter.
We affirm the call by His Excellency, President Cyril
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Workers at the Royal Bafokeng Stadium, also made plain
what nearly every South African knows; the working class
and the poor are suffering. A social compact or
structural transformation working with labour business,
government, civil society and people is critical. We are
in solidarity with the struggle of the working class and
the poor. Together, we shall confront exploitation of
workers.
As we acknowledge the socioeconomic challenges of our country,
we continue to draw strength from the words of His Excellency,
President Cyril Ramaphosa when he said:
We shall not rest until we have fulfilled the potential
of our country. We shall not rest until we have built a
new economy based on fairness, justice and equality. We
dare not take a moment to pause. Together, we will build
a new economy. The time is now.
Setswana:
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... [Laughter.] ... Not at all! We further take note that the
National Development Plan, NDP and Economic Recovery Plan
provides a framework for the second phase of transition. The
aspect of this phase will involve in accelerating the pace of
delivery of existing programmes. Others aspects will entail
new ways of implementing existing programmes and there will
also be new programmes.
As the NDP outlines, the structure of the economy will be
transformed through the industrialization Broad-based Black
Economic Empowerment and through strengthening and expanding
on roles of the state in the economy. The NDP is clear about
the needs of expansion and participation of the fullest range
of people and stakeholders of our country. The state cannot on
its own effectively implement the socioeconomic second phase
of our transition.
It is almost three decades since the dawn of our democracy.
The people of South Africa are not interested in petty
politics. They want to know what have we done to contribute to
the reduction of unemployment, poverty and inequality in our
country. As we respond to this question, we rely on the
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Setswana:
Baagi ba Aforikaborwa, ...
English:
... this is what the ANC has done. In this decade,
agriculture and manufacturing remains critical economic
drivers. Colonial land disposition has exacerbated asserts
inequality and the ANC will continue to address this injustice
through the proactive land acquisition strategy. About 170 254
hectares of land have been acquired and redistributed since
2019 to date. Of these 170 000 hectares, a total of 81
hectares has been redistributed to women, 44 000 hectares to
youth and 489 hectares to people with disabilities.
In respect to expansion of security of tenure and labour
tenants, a total of 18 000 has been released to beneficiaries.
In respect to land restitution, a total of 185 366 hectares
has been restored to their rightful owners during this period
of reporting, while R14,2 billion has been paid to those who
opted to financial compensation through land restitution.
Aside from state procurement measures to boast the local
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production and output. As the ANC, we are proud to report on
the progress on localisation. Toyota Corolla Cross involves a
first for South Africa, first local hybrid vehicles production
through R2,6 billion investments have been done. There will be
localisation of 621 local suppliers, 16 of which are black
owned to the value of R1,4 billion annually.
A major edible oil manufacturer is investing in a plant of
processed local sunflower seeds. In addition, the R1,5 billion
investments in Richards Bay will see the company replacing
important edible oils with the local refined oils. South
Africa will be a recipient to the latest messenger of
ribonucleic acid technology used to develop vaccines and other
therapeutic contributing to localisation of vaccines and
further investment of approximately 3 million dollars by a ...
[Inaudible.] ... of foreign investors. These are some of the
tangible interventions which will contribute to build
productive forces through manufacturing and will increase
quality of jobs on science and innovation.
In a world that is fast improving with technology and science,
the ANC government has ensured that professions in science and
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year, government has supported more than 8722 honours,
masters, PhD students across programmes. This will assist in
our research and development capacity building.
On Higher Education, education remains the highest priority of
the ANC government. The commitment of the ANC government
towards educating its youth can never be questioned. For the
current financial year, National Student Financial Aid Scheme,
NSFAS has total revenue amount of R39,6 billion. Funding
500 000 university students as well as 3000 Technical
Vocational Education and Training, TVET students. No
developing country has ever increased funding for higher
education financial aid for post students like the ANC. For
those who wish to see NSFAS scrapped, let us remind you hon
members, NSFAS is not going anywhere.
Government has placed the skills revolution at the centre of
development of youth and graduates to be active economic
participants through workplace based learning programmes. At
this point in time, for the current financial year, 2022-23,
skilled development opportunities will be expanded to 107 000
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As I conclude, we want to reiterate that the ANC delivered.
The ANC lives. The ANC leads. However, in order to realise the
true freedom of all, we should unite against the scourge of
gender-based violence and femicide. We should ensure that in
our quest for creation of equitable society, the empowerment
of women should be at the key pillar of socioeconomic
transformation. The youth of our nation should protect and
defend our democratic gains and be the catalysts of economic
freedom in our lifetime. I thank you. [Applause.]
Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Hon House Chair, allow me to, on behalf of
the NFP, extend our condolences to our brother, comrade and
friend Adv Gordrich Gardee on the loss of his beautiful
daughter, Hillary Gardee, who was allegedly murdered. It is
very said indeed. May her soul rest in peace! Hon Chairperson,
also allow me to, on behalf of the NFP, extend our best wishes
to the 1,7 billion strong Muslim community worldwide who are
celebrating Eid al-Fitr today, and many of them celebrated it
yesterday.
I think I said this before. Unfortunately, you are not judged
by what you have done, but what you could have done or what
you ought to have done with the available resources and power
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Mandela, Chris Hani, Govan Mbeki, Yusuf Dadoo, Imam Haru,
Achmat, ImamSteve Biko and Albertina Sisulu, have one thing
common about them all. They gave their lives and fought a
struggle to liberate us and free us. What have we done for 28
years later with the freedom that they fought for us so that
we could enjoy it today? We must admit that we still have
freedom of speech, we have freedom of choice and we elect
public representatives and leaders in political parties in
this country.
An amount of 77% of black children in South Africa do not have
fathers at home. Do you think these children can ever enjoy
economic freedom in South Africa? They can’t! A question we
need to ask is, where is the 77% of black fathers, why are
they not playing their role in the freedom of their children?
Actually, what we have done is that we have taken the freedom
that was given to us, that was fought for us and we have
actually sold its quittance to those who we have manipulated
into believing that they can bring about a change.
We cannot continuously 28 years later raise concerns about
colonialism and colonialists. We have what it takes to make a
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together to create a better life for our people. South Africa
remains one of the most unequal societies in the world. Why
does it need to be a disaster? Why 500 people have to die to
know that our people are living in risky and dangerous grounds
of the river banks? Why is it that we ignore these things when
we pass them every single day of our lives?
If we want to ensure economic freedom it must start with
education, but look at the quality of education. Sixty percent
dropped out in the first year of tertiary institution. One in
two children who starts school do not finish school in Grade
12. How can you enjoy economic freedom in South Africa if you
continue with this? My appeal is that let us work together in
the interest of the country. Thank you, Chairperson. [Time
expired.]
Mr S M JAFTA: Hon Chair, as we are celebrating Freedom Day and
Workers’ Day, the mortars of 32 mine workers in Marikana laid
in waste. The lives of Life Esidimeni mental health care users
and the life of Sindiso Magaqa killed for exposing corruption
laid in silence deep underground.
We cannot dismiss these deaths as isolated or that they are
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indeed reached rock bottom. Our achievements have not been
consolidated. We have regressed in education, health,
efficient ... [recording paused] policing and social
infrastructure [recording paused] pose the risk of crowding
out our standing in education, social services and health.
We are at crossroads. Our priorities in 1994 have largely been
scampered by endemic corruption, lack of accountability,
unchecked state power and executive-minded Members of
Parliament. We have declined in mathematics despite our
spending priorities in this area. Workers’ rights have not
been championed given this appalling state of our trade unions
who at best are divided, weak and too many to cohesively
protect a solid base of ordinary workers. We have neglected
the working class and unemployed young South Africans.
Hon Chairperson, we are celebrating Freedom Day and Workers’
Day, but there is little to write home about.
In closing, let me pass the AIC condolences to the Gardee’s
family for the loss of their daughter. May her soul rest in
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Dr L A SCHREIBER: Hon Chair, I am glad that the topic of
today’s debate explicitly links Freedom Day to our
Constitution because Freedom Day is a celebration of our
transition to a constitutional democracy based on individual
liberty. Freedom Day in many ways is Constitution day.
But as we have heard throughout this debate there is also
profound political disagreement brewing in our society about
how to bring about the substantive freedom from poverty,
unemployment and violent crime that we have clearly not yet
achieved. On the one side are those who recognise that we have
not achieved these meaningful freedoms because the governing
party has failed to live up to the task outlined to it in the
Constitution. This grouping of constitutionalists which is led
by the DA, but have support in other parties, understand that
loyalty to constitutional values holds the key to achieving
substantive freedom. On the other side stands those who
scapegoat our Constitution for the failure of the ANC to
create a truly free and open society. This later group’s
position was most clearly articulated recently by Minister
Lindiwe Sisulu. In an open she attacked our Constitution and
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A few weeks later on Human Rights Day no less, the ANC Premier
of KwaZulu-Natal Sihle Zikalala called for a coup d'état
against constitutional democracy in favour of the so-called
parliamentary sovereignty. This is the exact same system that
prevailed under apartheid and we gave the government unfitted
power to make any law of its choosing even laws that violate
our most basic human rights. Many high profile ANC leaders
from the radical economic transformation, RET, faction clearly
fall into this anticonstitutionalist camp.
Its vision is still most clearly articulated by the EFF which
has long led the assault on our Constitution. As the competing
narratives of the Freedom Day made clear, South Africa is
headed for a profound show down leading up to the 2024
elections between the democrats loyal to the Constitution and
the demagogues at war with it. A win for the democrats will
usher in a new DA coalition government that will restore South
Africa to the constitutional path because we understand that
the Constitution and the rule of law is not an obstacle to
ending poverty and unemployment, but holds the key to doing
so. On the other hand, a win for the demagogues will see the
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With the ANC now clearly set to lose its majority in 2024,
every South African, including the members of this very House,
should reflect on the following question. Am I among those who
scapegoat the Constitution for South Africa’s failure to
achieve substantive freedom or do I rightfully blame the
government that has failed to implement and uphold the
Constitution? The answer each one of us provides for this
question will determine whether South Africa will celebrate
Freedom Day in the years to come. Thank you. [Applause.]
Mr M NYHONTSO: House Chairperson, condolences to the Gardee
family and the EFF. Chair, on the 3rd of May in 1963 this
Parliament passed a law against Robert Sobukwe in jail till
this side of eternity. To the PAC, given enhanced meaning to
our constitutional rights means this parliamentary forum must
not pay power over cracks or hide the difficulties by painting
over deep cuts in the wall and pretending as if we have done
our job.
Let us acknowledge that the negotiated Constitution was not an
open and transparent post process with public scrutiny and
rigorous debates by the masses of the people. It is a deal
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confident tricks on us. The western powers had undue influence
on the Codesa talks serving their own interest rather than
that of the people. A distracting bloodshed in communities of
the African people took place, some called it the low
intensity warfare. This is the reason for a hybrid
Constitution that accommodates a quasi-federal and a quasi-
centralised state with remnants of apartheid and settler
colonialism embedded in it and make the new society so
crooked, so “krom” that South Africa has ripped the image of
the most unequal nation in the world.
The judicial process is so expensive for the robbed Azanian
masses that they want their premium asset, the land. It would
be very difficult to achieve. This means the legal process is
prohibitive. It actually protects those who stole the land and
established title deeds for themselves before 1994. When the
African people could not by law own any property. Apologies
for the legal route do not tell us about the possibility to
fail to get the property back because legal representation is
very expensive. The courts want incontrovertible evidence that
we were robbed of the land.
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rights culture and democratisation Constitution but for us
means we must all have transformative approach. Freedom day in
South Africa is imperfect to be lauded and showered with
praises. It is 28th years of toil and misery for the
overwhelming majority of their Azanian masses. We have
previously said it is a day of betrayal of the wishes and
aspirations of the people. An enhanced meaning would begin to
a process for the second national liberation struggle under a
conducive climate, constitutional and peaceful processes. We
must begin that national constitutional discourse and engage
the masses in the national dialogue. I thank you.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon Nontsele, I am
sorry. I am told that your hand is up. Hon Nontsele from the
virtual platform. Okay, we proceed. I think it was just a
mistake.
Mr M G E HENDRICKS: Thank you very much, hon House Chair, Al
Jamaah is moved by the outpouring of grief of the Gardee
family and EFF. My sincere condolences, hon House Chair. Hon
House Chair, former President Mandela stated, we know too well
that our freedom is incomplete without a freedom of the
Palestinians. So, South Africa has not achieved freedom. The
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one of the Islam’s holiest mosques. South Africa should
condemn in the strongest way the apartheid Israeli regime for
preventing Christians from praying at the church of the
resurrection, now known as the church of the holy sepulchre.
Also, Christians were prevented from witnessing the lighting
of Israeli holy fire on the eve of Easter. Like I said, we,
Muslims were violently prevented from offering prayers at
Masjid Al Agsa during Ramadan and more so on Laylatul Qadr.
Al-Jamaah thanks Dirco for condemning Israel and taking the
lead here, while nearly half the political parties in this
Parliament stand with Israel in spite of Christians and
Muslims voting for them. Thank you very much, hon House Chair.
Mr J W W JULIUS: In the William Shakespeare play, Hamlet, when
soon after his father’s death, his mother got married to his
father’s brother, Hamlet then lashed out against his mother
saying:
“As if an increase of Appetite had grown by what it fed
on.”
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the death of the evil apartheid, BEE and other empowerment
deals meant to be distributed equitably, were hijacked by
powerful politicians in our country, taking millions upon
millions of Rand in mining, banking and various other deals
for themselves. Politicians took for themselves and left the
crumbs to the people. This is why we still sit in an unequal
society.
Hon Matlatsi, yes, political freedom must still translate into
economic freedom, not for the ANC and especially President
Cyril Ramaphosa. They are stinking rich while the people are
suffering. What type of leader would take for yourself
billions in mining shares and you leave the crumbs to the
miners? [Applause.] What type of leader can that be? That is
why he was chased away.
Hon Tina Joemat-Petterson, you said President Ramaphosa said
the workers have spoken and we listened. Now if you listen
closely, workers said that you benefitted billions from
mining, President Ramaphosa and we’ve got nothing. The miners
didn’t speak only to President Cyril Ramaphosa, they spoke to
all ANC corrupt ones that stole from them. They didn’t speak
to the ANC alone. You also said hon Tina Joemat-Petterson that
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sided with the poor. Why are they still poor? Why are they
still unemployed? Why are they crying out out there? Because
you did nothing for them.
Madam Speaker, there is nothing wrong with empowerment deals.
But was it done equitably and fairly? Why are we seeing ANC
politicians having lavish lifestyles and the people have
nothing? But every time you come to the stage you say
apartheid, apartheid, apartheid. Apartheid was an evil system.
Apartheid is now gone and dead, its freedom. Be accountable,
start saying what you did wrong. Don’t come and blame and
blame. But the new culture in government because of ANC
politicians and President Ramaphosa is and still is ... the
politics pay handsomely. Just go and ask the President. I
thank you. [Applause.]
The MINISTER OF SPORT, ARTS AND CULTURE: House Chair ...
IsiZulu:
... siqale ngokukhalela umndeni wakwa-Gardee ngokuhanjelwa
indodakazi yabo. Sithi, baduduzeke balale ngenxeba.
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To you House Chair, to my colleagues, Ministers and Deputy
Ministers in attendance, hon members.
This year’s Freedom Month is observed under the theme
Consolidating our democratic gains.
South Africa’s transition from apartheid colonialism to a
modern constitutional democracy is hailed as one of the best
proven human experiments across the globe.
Accompanying that transition was a deep appreciation by the
liberation movement, led by the ANC, that nation-building and
national reconciliation are critical elements of this
transition. Throughout its existence, the ANC has been ceased
with the task of nation-building.
Building a cohering nation is an imperative if we are to
undermine the legacy of colonialism and apartheid.
Colonial conquest had two contradictory consequences: on the
one hand it brought together various different communities
into one state in a single territory; on the other hand, the
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The colonizers, who enjoyed exclusive political and economic
rights, developed forced and a false sense of identity premise
primarily on the basis of race and European descent.
South Africa, for a very long time, was a state, a pariah, one
at that, without a nation; it also meant that there was no
shared identity, even for imagination. So, the process of
building a nation only started in 1994.
Social cohesion programme is at the core of the architecture
of building a united, nonracial, nonsexist, democratic and
prosperous society.
The beneficiaries of the past order, in their desperate
attempt to disown the past and its injustices, in terms of how
it disenfranchised the majority, predominantly blacks, there
has often been denial of the causal relationship between
redress and nation-building. That is, there is a denial of
redress as a necessary condition towards nation-building and
reconciliation.
This current government having understood its historical duty
to build a united, nonracial, nonsexist, democratic and
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amongst those are the following: to uproot illiteracy, provide
access to health, education, decent human settlement, water,
sanitation, electricity, to cite but the few.
In terms of the 2019 baseline survey, there is already 82% of
the adult population living in formal houses or formal housing
in this country.
Our current constitutional policy and legal frameworks related
to immigration impacts on our ability as a country and
government to adequately respond to the housing and human
settlement needs of immigrants, both legal and undocumented.
In terms of our current policy, all citizens are entitled to
acquire adequate housing and this includes persons who acquire
permanent citizenship through process of naturalisation.
According to the same 2019 baseline survey progress has been
impressive in this regard considering the fact that clean
running water and electricity were a novelty for many
communities during apartheid. Only 10% of adults reported to
have access to water outside of their yards or their places of
dwelling. In other words, 90% has water inside of their yards
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With regard to electricity, an overwhelming majority of 92%
had access to electricity as we speak. A resounding success
compared to the estimate of only 53,6% in October household
survey of 1994.
Universal access to basic education, funding to guarantee the
right of entry to high education for those who passed Grade
12, even those who have not passed Grade 12 still have a
chance to access higher education through Technical and
Vocational Education and Training, TVET colleges. This is
facilitated by the substantial investment in support for
students from poor and working class backgrounds.
National Student Financial Aid Scheme, NSFAS, funding has
increased more than fivefold, just in six years, from
R5,9 billion in 2014 to R34,7 billion in 2020. In the 2021-22
financial year NSFAS funding has reached over R43 billion, a
further increase of nearly R10 billion in just two years.
Through the NSFAS, government has made it possible for a vast
majority of black poor youth to access education, which
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Provision of social security is not meant to create permanent
dependency to government. And I agree with hon Gwarube that
our people are facing poverty in their millions. It is
precisely a caring government intervention that has ensured
that, to date, almost 19 million beneficiaries who benefit
from social security system. An amount of R248 billion in
annual spend on this programme.
Since 2019, 529 audio-visual records were digitized. Amongst
them, the Rivonia Treason Trial dictabelts and the Truth and
Reconciliation Commission, TRC, audio tapes. This was also
made possible by the employment of unemployed youth who were
appointed as part of the Presidential Employment Stimulus
Package. As part of this package, 45 099 pages were digitized
and 26 397 photographs.
It is also through this package that we have seen R808 million
invested to our artists and athletes in this past two years,
translating to 59 224 of artists and athletes benefiting, and
creating and retaining 37 556 jobs.
Over the years, renaming of the following was done: 71 towns
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And this is done to transform the heritage landscape of our
country.
In the same period, 103 newly-built and all modular libraries
were completed.
Over the last three financial years, nine booklets of living
human treasures have been published by this government and the
Department of Sport, Arts and Culture.
Every year we fund and support, financially, students for
African languages, anything between 120 to 400 per annum in
all the universities which we have in our country.
Part of the apartheid project was to ensure that African
languages have no currency and as they were excluded from the
use of corporate environment as well as in academia. It is
encouraging that we are beginning to see students completing
Masters and PhD dissertations across a variety of academic
fields using African languages.
Chair, we are the first ones to say that there is a lot that
still needs to be done, government is doing its best but the
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very well that the road to social progress is always under
construction and we are part of constructing that road to
social progress.
I want, Chair, just to deal with one issue here which the
member who has just left the podium spoke about; workers
talking to the President. First and foremost, what we are
dealing with there is the wage negotiations between the
employers and the employees. The very fact that workers saw it
fit to raise it with the Head of State in government tells you
that workers do have confidence in this government that it can
intervene in instances which affect employers and employees.
And we are not going to shy away as government, we’ll do our
part to ensure that the two parties come together, workers get
the good out of this.
I also heard, hon Chair, member of the EFF about the issue of
how committed they are in reforming the land and land
restitution and appropriation. I would only advice that to see
this revolutionary edge, let them be part of the process of
passing and ensuring that we amend section 25 of the
Constitution. Otherwise, any other thing outside of that will
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I heard what the hon Schreiber said about them being
constitutionalists. I don’t even know whether he has been part
of the process and how this Constitution was actually
formulated. All I know is that as part of formulating the
Constitution, his party was very coy on the issue of one man
one vote, or one person one vote. So, I don’t think we’ll have
much to learn from him in terms of the Constitution and how
the Constitution ... [Inaudible.]
We have learned from our past and we are now using each day as
an opportunity to do better and faster, and we are determined
to consolidate our constitutional democratic gains. Thanks,
House Chair. [Applause.]
D J BLACK COFFEE WINS HIS FIRST GRAMMY AWARD
(Draft Resolution)
Mr M R M MOTHAPO: The African National Congress move without
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(1) notes that Nkosinathi Maphumulo, popularly known as
D J Black Coffee, won his first Grammy Award at the
64th Annual Grammy Awards in Las Vegas on Sunday, 3
April 2022;
(2) further notes that he won the Best International Act
Category, setting himself on a trajectory to reach
this pinnacle moment in his career;
(3) acknowledges that Black Coffee, who attended the
event with his son, Esona, took home the award for
the best dance electronic album for his 12-track
album subconsciously, making him the first South
African producer to be nominated for the award and
winning it;
(4) understands that the South African music producer,
beat additional five contenders to scoop the
category award; and
(5) congratulates Nathi Maphumulo for representing South
Africa well on the international stage.
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Agreed to.
GERDA STEYN BREAKS RECORD
(Draft Resolution)
Mr M S MALATSI: Thank you, House Chair. I hereby move on
behalf of the Democratic Alliance:
That the House –
(1) notes that Ms Gerda Steyn achieved a record-breaking
third consecutive Two Oceans Marathon win on Sunday,
17 April 2022, and in the process became the first
athlete in 22 years to claim a hat-trick of
victories in this ultramarathon;
(2) further notes that Ms Steyn also became the first
woman to break the three-and-a-half-hour barrier and
in the process made her 30-year-old record the race,
completing it in a time of 03:29:42;
(3) acknowledges that Ms Steyn said that she ran a
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training on marathons over the past two years while
opportunities to compete in ultramarathon events
have been extremely limited due to the coronavirus
disease 2019, Covid-19, pandemic;
(4) recognises that Ms Steyn has pledged to donate a
portion of her prize money so that she can inspire
and assist young athletes in Pietermaritzburg; and
(5) congratulates Gerda Steyn on her momentous
achievements and wishes her well in her future
races.
Agreed to.
SIBANYE-STILLWATER PAYS CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICERS MILLIONS OF
RANDS
(Draft Resolution)
Ms P MADOKWE: Thank you, House Chair. I rise on behalf of the
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(1) notes that Sibanye-Stillwater paid its chief
executive officer, CEO, above R300 million in the
year 2021;
(2) further notes that Sibanye-Stillwater mine workers
have been on strike after 10 months of unsuccessful
negotiations, with workers demanding R1 000
increase, and the mine claiming that it can only
afford R850;
(3) recognises that Sibanye-Stillwater is refusing to
give workers R1 000, but gave their CEO and
management hundreds of millions of rands, while its
workers’ sweat and blood that labours the belly of
the beast mining minerals;
(4) acknowledges that companies like Sibanye-Stillwater
and many on the Johannesburg Stock Exchange, JSE,
are only concerned with enriching CEOs, management
and shareholders while workers and their families
continue to suffer in extreme poverty;
(5) furthermore, acknowledges that failure to eradicate
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will only sow seeds of crime, hatred and divisions
in an already broken society;
(6) condemns corporate South Africa, especially banks
and the financial sectors and calls that they do
away with races pay inequalities; and
(7) calls on Sibanye-Stillwater to meet workers’
rightful demand of R1 000 increase.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): The motion being
objected to will now become a notice of a motion. Thank you.
The ANC.
Mr B A RADEBE: House Chairperson ... [Inaudible.] on the
virtual platform.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Hon members, please,
your noises are too high for me to even hear what the member
on the platform is saying. Hon Radebe, proceed.
FORMER KENYAN PRESIDENT DIES
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Mr B A RADEBE: The African National Congress moves without
notice:
That the House –
(1) notes with sadness the passing of the former Kenyan
President Mwai Kibaki on Thursday, 21 April 2022, at
the age 90;
(2) remembers that he served as Kenya’s third president
from December 2002 to April 2013;
(3) recalls that the former President Kibaki championed
the cause of democracy and unity in Kenya and
beyond;
(4) believes that the people of Kenya have lost a hero
and a father to the nation who revived that
country’s economy; and
(5) conveys its heartfelt condolences to his family and
to the government and people of the Republic of
Kenya.


 
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I thank you, House Chairperson.
Agreed to.
WORKER’S DAY CELEBRATION
(Draft Resolution)
Mr N SINGH: Thank you, hon House Chairperson. I hereby move on
behalf of Inkatha Freedom Party:
That the House –
(1) notes that Worker’s Day is observed each year on 1
May, as a public holiday;
(2) further notes that this day is also known as Labour
Day or the International Workers’ Day and is
observed in many countries throughout the world
since 1891, and here in South Africa only since
after the first democratic elections in 1994;
(3) acknowledges that the major goal is to recognise the
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educate them about their rights, to protect them
from being exploited, and to ensure that workers are
aware of the opportunities available to them for
their welfare and progress;
(4) further acknowledges that Workers’ Day in South
Africa holds its own cultural significance, as the
public holiday has come to signify not only the
sacrifices made on the long road toward fair
employment standards, but also the bitter battle
against apartheid, in which trade and labour unions
played a key role; and
(5) calls on all leaders of industry, government
departments and owners of businesses who have
legions in their employ to both respect as well as
impress upon their staff the importance and
relevance of the rights of workers.
Agreed to.
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Ms H DENNER: Thank you, House Chair. House Chair, I hereby
move on behalf of the FF Plus:
That the House –
(1) notes with sadness the passing of former Springbok
and Blue Bulls rugby player, Pedrie Wannenburg,
during a motor vehicle accident that took place in
Texas, United States of America on Friday, 22 April
2022;
(2) acknowledges Wannenburg’s various achievements as
ambassador for both the National Green and Gold and
the Blue Bulls rugby union, which include being the
first player to play 100 matches for the Bulls, of
which 99 were consecutive from 2002 to 2010, as well
as his international rugby career with, amongst
others, the Denver Stampede and Ulster rugby clubs;
(3) wishes his son, Francois, who was seriously injured
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(4) conveys its sincere condolences to his son, wife
Evette, daughter Isabelle and the rest of his family
and loved ones.
Agreed to.
THABO MASEBE DIES
(Draft Resolution)
Ms J TSHABALALA: Thank you, House Chair. It’s Tshabalala on
the virtual platform, I hereby move on behalf of the ANC a
motion without notice:
That the House –
(1) notes with shock the untimely passing of the Acting
Director-General in the Gauteng Premier’s Office, Mr
Thabo Masebe on Sunday, 17 April 2022;
(2) acknowledges that Mr Masebe was a multi-skilled
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(3) further acknowledges that he was a loyal and
committed servant of the people who dedicated his
time to transforming the provincial communications
services;
(4) remembers him as a meticulous public servant with a
wealth of knowledge in government;
(5) further remembers that he executed all his duties
with diligence, precision, and competency;
(6) recalls that before his appointment as the Head of
Communications in the Gauteng provincial government,
he worked at The Presidency as the spokesperson to
former Deputy President, Kgalema Motlanthe; and
(7) sends its heartfelt condolences to the Masebe family
and the Gauteng provincial government.
Agreed to.
STERLING HUMANITARIAN WORK DURING FLOODS IN KWAZULU-NATAL AND
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(Draft Resolution)
Mr W M THRING: House Chair, I move without notice:
That the House—
(1) acknowledges the sterling humanitarian work done by the
Church in South Africa, other religious bodies, as well
as various non-governmental organisations, NGOs, in
responding to the devastation caused by recent floods in
KwaZulu-Natal and the Eastern Cape; and
(2) applauds these sectors for their sacrifices made,
intuition shown and lifesaving interventions for the many
thousands affected by the floods.
Agreed to.
SPORTSMAN AND LONG-SERVING POLITICIAN MR DAWIE DE VILLIERS
PASSES AWAY
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That the House–
(1) notes with sadness the passing of Mr Dawie de
Villiers, sportsman and long-serving politician, at
the age of 81, on 23 April 2022;
(2) further notes that during his political career, Mr de
Villiers an honourable Member of Parliament, the
Minister of Trade and Industry, Mineral Resources and
Energy, Public Works, Environmental Affairs and
Tourism in the Cabinets of former Presidents P W
Botha, F W de Klerk and Nelson Mandela, as well as
South Africa’s ambassador to the United Kingdom;
(3) remembers the contribution that Mr de Villiers made to
the advancement of transformation and democratisation
during apartheid, both within the ranks of the
National Party and as a participant at CODESA, and
that former President Mandela described him as a
competent South African who played a major role in
building a democratic South Africa;
(4) recalls that Mr de Villiers also served as a Reverend
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(5) conveys its heartfelt condolences to the family of the
late Mr de Villiers. May his soul rest in peace.
Agreed to.
BAIL HEARING FOR FARMER WHO SHOT A WOMAN HE THOUGHT WAS A
HIPPOPOTAMUS
(Draft Resolution)
Ms M R MOHLALA: Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the House—
(1) notes that the racists farmer, Hendriks van Wyk,
appeared before the Lephalale magistrate court for a
bail hearing after he shot Lenah Lefowane;
(2) also notes that Piet shot at Lenah and claimed he
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(3) acknowledges that it is only racists who see black
people as animals, and think it is okay to shoot at
them;
(4) recognises that failure to effectively redistribute
land is the basis for racists like Hendriks van Wyk to
think they can shoot black people because they think
they are animals;
(5) sends a message of support and speedy recovery to
Lenah Lefowane; and
(6) calls on all citizens to stand up and fight racism
everywhere it raises its ugly head. Thank you
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Are there objections to
the motion?
An HON MEMBER: Yes, Chairperson, please note the objection of
the FF Plus.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): With the objection, the
motion will now become a notice of a motion.


 
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NOXOLO GROOTBOOM CONFERRED WITH SECOND HONORARY DOCTORATE
DEGREE
(Draft Resolution)
Ms N J KUBHEKA: House Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the House–
(1) notes that a second honorary doctorate degree from the
Nelson Mandela University has been conferred on
retired broadcaster, Noxolo Grootboom, for her
invaluable work and contribution to journalism;
(2) further notes that she received a Doctor of Philosophy
for her contribution to the media industry while also
uplifting the isiXhosa language;
(3) understands that she retired from the South African
Broadcasting Corporation, SABC, in March 2021 after 37
years as a newsreader; and
(4) wishes her well and thanks her for her service and
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Agreed to.
SOUTH AFRICA’S CAITLIN ROOSKRANTZ WINS GOLD AT THE 2022
ARTISTIC GYMNASTICS WORLD CUP
(Draft Resolution)
Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: House Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the House–
(1) notes that South African gymnast sensation, Caitlin
Rooskrantz, has brought glory to our country by
winning two gold medals at the World Cup in Cairo;
(2) also notes that Caitlin Rooskrantz hails from
Blydeville in Lichtenburg, North West province;
(3) further notes that in 2019 Caitlin Roonskrants was the
first female South African artistic gymnast to qualify
for the Olympics since 2004;
(4) recalls that despite her knee injury in 2017, she
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and become the first female South African artistic
gymnast to qualify for the Olympics;
(5) realises that we have limited opportunities in South
Africa for gymnasts and inadequate training facilities
compared to her counterparts from Russia, America and
many other countries;
(6) acknowledges that Caitlin Rooskrantz suffered a
setback at the age of 18 when she lost her dad and
grew up under difficult circumstances with her mother
as the only breadwinner;
(7) congratulates Caitlin Rooskrantz on her success in
winning two gold medals and bringing glory to our
beautiful country, South Africa;
(8) also congratulates her coach and team on the success;
and
(9) calls upon the Minister of Sport, Arts and Culture to
intervene in sporting codes that experience
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Agreed to.
PROFESSOR TSHILIDZI MARWALA HONOURED BY THE AMERICAN ACADEMY
OF ARTS AND SCIENCES FOR THE YEAR 2022 IN THE FIELD OF
EDUCATIONAL AND ACADEMIC LEADERSHIP
(Draft Resolution)
Ms N T MKHATSHWA: House Chairperson, I move without notice:
That the House–
(1) notes that Professor Tshilidzi Marwala has been
honoured by the American Academy of Arts and Sciences
... [Interjections.]
Mr B A RADEBE: Point of order, Chair. Hon Shaik is disturbing.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): Munzoor? Munzoor? Shaik
Emam, please switch off. Proceed, Mma.
Ms N T MKHATSHWA: Thank you very much, House Chair. I move
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That the House–
(1) notes that Professor Tshilidzi Marwala has been
honoured by the American Academy of Arts and Sciences
as one of 261 honourees for the year 2022 in the field
of Educational and Academic Leadership;
(2) also notes that Prof Marwala, a recipient of the Order
of Mapungubwe, contributes to matters pertaining to
the Fourth Industrial Revolution and Africa’s place in
the world;
(2) further notes that Professor Marwala, a published
international scholar, contributes to the field of Big
Data, Machine learning and Artificial intelligence
which saw him publish books such as Closing the gap –
the Fourth Industrial Revolution in Africa as well as
Leading in the 21st century; and
(3) acknowledges Professor Marwala, the only African in
this year’s honourees, for representing South Africa
on the international stage. I thank you.
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CONDOLENCES ON THE PASSING ON OF SA POLICE SERVICE DIVER,
SERGEANT BUSISIWE MJWARA
(Draft Resolution)
Ms G P MAREKWA: I hereby move without notice on behalf of the
ANC:
That the House –
(1) notes with sadness the passing on of the
Pietermaritzburg’s the SA Police Service, the SAPS,
diver, Sergeant Busisiwe Mjwara, on Sunday 17 April
2022;
(2) further notes that the 43-year-old Sergeant Mjwara
was part of the K9 Search and Rescue Unit and
drowned in the Msunduzi River with her police dog,
Leah, during search and rescue efforts following the
devastating floods in KwaZulu-Natal;
(3) recalls that they were searching for three people
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(4) remembers her as brave, fearless and a dedicated and
patriotic police officer who passed on serving the
country; and
(5) conveys its heartfelt condolences to her family and
colleagues at the SA Police Service.
Agreed to.
MEMBERS OF LEGISLATURES’ ATHLETICS CLUB CONGRATULATED FOR
PARTICIPATION IN TWO OCEANS MARATHON
(Draft Resolution)
Mr J J MCGLUWA: I hereby move without notice on behalf of the
DA:
That the House –
(1) notes that a number of employees and members from
provincial legislatures participated in the Two
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(2) acknowledges in particular the efforts of the
members of the North West Legislature’s Athletics
Club, who participated in the Two Oceans Marathon
with courage, tenacity and above all, a deep love
for sports;
(3) congratulates Simosakhe Mncwango and Kabelo Jonker
for competing in the 56km race;
(4) further congratulates Mpho Mahlakoleng, Tiroyaone
Setuki, Zwidofhela Mafoko, Tseleng Maleme, Ishmael
Matshogo, Thenjiwe Duku and Naomi Lejaka for
competing in the half marathon race; and
(5) conveys its appreciation to the members of the North
West Legislature’s Athletics Club for the
contribution they continue to make to promote sports
in the province.
Agreed to.
SADNESS ON THE GUNNING DOWN OF CITY OF ETHEKWINI’S PHUMZILE
TSHATSHI


 
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(Draft Resolution)
Ms M A MOLEKWA: I hereby move without notice on behalf of the
ANC:
That the House –
(1) notes with sadness the passing of Phumzile Tshatshi,
an eThekwini Municipality employee gunned down near
Verulam while on duty dispatching water tankers to
flood victims on Saturday, 23 April 2022;
(2) remembers that the 36-year-old Tshatshi was a
supervisor for the city’s water and sanitation unit
based in Ottawa depot, in the north of Durban;
(3) recalls that she sustained multiple gunshot wounds
to the body and was declared dead at the scene;
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(5) strongly condemns this barbaric act and calls upon
law enforcement agencies to work hard to arrest the
perpetrators; and
(6) conveys its heartfelt condolences to the Tshatshi
family and colleagues at the City of eThekwini.
Agreed to.
NOTICES OF MOTION
Mr P R MOROATSHEHLA: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that at
its next sitting I shall move on behalf of the ANC:
That the House debates high risk of drug abuse by learners in
our schools and thereby coming up with measures to address
this impasse.
Ms M O CLARKE: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that at its
next sitting I shall move on behalf of the DA:
That the House debates the need for government policies and
regulations to be aligned with scientific advice and evidence,
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the management of future pandemics caused by communicable
diseases.
Ms A M SIWISA: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that at its
next sitting I shall move on behalf of the EFF:
That the House debates the incompetence of the SA Police
Service in dealing with gender-based violence cases; and
also debates the slow process of finalising rape kits that are
still in backlog, not excluding the slow process of the
justice system in holding perpetrators accountable for their
deeds and some being released prematurely and given an
opportunity to execute more gender-based violence;
Ms A S HLONGO: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that at its
next sitting I shall move on behalf of the ANC:
That the House debates strategies and interventions to address
and resolve the painful issues of child-headed households.
Ms L L VAN DER MERWE: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that
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That the House debates the collapse of South Africa’s
immigration system which has led to an immigration crisis and
the effects thereof on our vulnerable communities.
Mr F J MULDER: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that at its
next sitting I shall move on behalf of the FF Plus:
That the House debates the detrimental effects that state
capture, poor governance, corruption, the inability of Eskom
to provide uninterrupted electricity and the inability of
provincial and local government to stimulate the recovery of
the South African economy have on the sustainability of free
economic zones and industrial parks as job creators in South
Africa.
Mr B M HADEBE: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that at its
next sitting I shall move on behalf of the ANC:
That the House debates the prevalence of workplace bullying in
South Africa and whether there are differences in employees’
experience of bullying with regards to sociodemographic
characteristics and diversity experience.


 
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Mr S N SWART: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that at its
next sitting I shall move on behalf of the ACDP:
That the House-
(1) debates the lack of timely and proper public
infrastructure maintenance which has resulted in
power outages at Eskom;
(2) debates the collapse of the public rail and failed
transport system in certain areas, water shortages
and sewerage treatment failures that contributed to
the recent flooding and tragic loss of live in
KwaZulu-Natal.
Afrikaans:
Me V VAN DYK: Agb Voorsitter, hiermee stel ek namens die DA
voor dat, in die volgende sitting,
Die Huis-
(1) oor die omvang en die impak van die staatskaping wat in
Alexkor plaasgevind het debateer, wat onder andere
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gemeenskappe in Richtersveld, en watter stappe die
regering behoort te neem om te verseker dat daar wel
ondersoeke en optrede gaan wees teen diegende waarna
daar in die Zondo-kommissie se verslae verwys word.
Mr M TSHWAKU: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that at its
next sitting I shall move on behalf of the EFF:
That the House debates the shortage of water, widespread load
shedding and a festival of potholes in the Limpopo region, in
areas such as Sekhukhune, Vhembe and Mopani.
Ms N T MKHATSHWA: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that at
its next sitting I shall move on behalf of the ANC:
That the House debates the protection, promotion, development
and management of indigenous knowledge systems including
traditions, knowledge and practices.
Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that at
its next sitting I shall move on behalf of the NFP:
That the House debates about public servants who receive
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more than one position despite the high unemployment rate in
the country.
Mr P M P MODISE: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that at its
next sitting I shall move on behalf of the ANC:
That the House debates adapting and managing unavoidable and
potential damaging climate impacts through intervention that
builds and sustain our social, economic and environmental
resilience.
Ms T MGWEBA: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that at its
next sitting I shall move on behalf of the ANC:
That the House debates building a developmental state that is
capable of playing a transformative role and guide all social
partners towards achieving the national objectives and goals.
Ms C V KING: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that at its
next sitting I shall move on behalf of the DA:
That the House debates the financial sustainability of fee-
free higher education and impact it has on higher education
sector.


 
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Mr B M HADEBE: Chairperson, I hereby give notice that at its
next sitting I shall move on behalf of the ANC:
That the House debates the impact of global warming in South
Africa.
The HOUSE CHAIRPERSON (Ms M G Boroto): I realised that the
camera is actually searching for you because you are sitting.
I know it was an agreement, but it doesn’t augur well. I think
we should talk about this issue of making motions sitting
down, etc. We will talk about it. We agreed, but it doesn’t go
well, more especially now when they are looking for you but
they can’t be able to capture you on camera. It is something
that we should talk about.
Business of the House concluded.
The House adjourned at 17:07.