Hansard: NA: Questions for Oral Reply: Cluster 2: Social Services

House: National Assembly

Date of Meeting: 12 Nov 2014


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12 NOVEMBER 2014











The House met at 15:02.                       


The Speaker took the Chair and requested members to observe a moment of silence for prayers or meditation.





Start of Day



The SPEAKER: Hon members, the only item on today’s Order Paper is Questions addressed to Ministers in the Social Services Cluster. Of course, hon members know how to seek an opportunity to speak by pressing the button. The first question has been asked by ...




The SPEAKER: Hon Chief Whip, please may I proceed with Questions?


The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: I would like you to take a point of order, Madam Speaker.


The SPEAKER: What is the point of order? [Interjections.]


The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Madam Speaker, I rise on Rule 111(1) which, as you know, requires the President of the Republic to appear in this House at least once per quarter.


The SPEAKER: Hon member, can you allow me to proceed with the business of the House today? I know about Rule 111 and would like you to please use the procedures and the structures that we have for discussing these issues.


The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Madam Speaker, I am raising this with you because you are the Presiding Officer of the House. [Interjections.]


The SPEAKER: Hon member ...


The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: This is a Rule, and you are the custodian of the Rules.


The SPEAKER: Yes, hon member.


The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: We are now in receipt of the final programme; there is no appearance for the President this term, and I would like a ruling from you on how you are going to ensure that this Rule is complied with, Madam Speaker.


The SPEAKER: Hon member, I will deal with you on that issue in the appropriate manner. Right now, I am dealing with the issue of questions to Ministers in the Social Services Cluster ...


The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: With respect, Madam Speaker ...


The SPEAKER: ... and would you take your seat, Mr Steenhuisen. [Interjections.] Hon Steenhuisen!


The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: With respect, Madam Speaker, I have been dealing with this matter in the appropriate forum for the last five weeks. There has been no resolution of the matter.


The SPEAKER: Hon Steenhuisen! Hon Steenhuisen!


The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: So I am asking you to make a ruling, Madam Speaker, in terms of Rule 111.


The SPEAKER: Hon Steenhuisen, there is a Programming Committee meeting tomorrow morning at 08:30 which you are part of, and we will deal with this issue in that structure. [Interjections.]


The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Madam Speaker, are you committing to giving us a date ...


The SPEAKER: Please take your seat, hon ...


The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Are you committing to giving us a date tomorrow when the President will be in the House?


The SPEAKER: Take your seat, hon Steenhuisen. I am no longer responding to your issue.


The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Are you not going to make a ruling in terms of Rule 111, Madam Speaker?


The SPEAKER: I am not making a ruling on that matter. [Interjections.] I am dealing with questions to the relevant Ministers.


The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: So, hon Speaker, are you not going to make a ruling?


The SPEAKER: Hon Steenhuisen, take your seat. I shall now take the first question, which has been put to the Minister of Higher Education and Training by the hon S Mchunu.










Question 358:


The MINISTER OF HIGHER EDUCATION AND TRAINING: Speaker, the National Student Financial Aid Scheme of South Africa, NSFAS, is and will remain the key instrument available for government to open access into further and higher education for poor and working class communities.


The Working Group on Fee-free University Education in South Africa advised that fee-free university education for the poor should be built on the current NSFAS cost-sharing and recovery model. The NSFAS has already embarked on a concerted effort to improve its internal administrative capacity, which would be a prerequisite for successful implementation of a revised system. There is a method that we are piloting now to enhance the functionality and responsiveness of NSFAS.


As soon as sufficient funding is available through voted funds, fee-free higher education for the poor can be implemented. However, the quantum of funding required for implementation is significant and dependent on a range of parameters and policy decisions.


At the moment, qualifying students are those whose family income is not more than R122 000 per annum. Based on the parameters in the base model, the working group calculated that the upfront loan requirement for the 2014 cohort would require R15 billion, calculated at 2010 prices.


I have, however, started a policy dialogue comprising my department, NSFAS, Higher Education South Africa, National Treasury, the South African Union of Students, and the Council on Higher Education to propose policy and legislative amendments in line with the recommendations of the working group, as well as the recommendations articulated in the National Development Plan, NDP, which states that all students who qualify for NSFAS must be provided access for full funding through loans and bursaries to cover the cost of tuition, books, accommodation, and living expenses.


However, Madam Speaker, there are key policy issues that have to be addressed. For instance, what is meant by free higher education for the poor? How should it be provided? Is it bursaries, loans and/or grants? How should it be recovered, and what should be free? Is it tuition fees or full cost of study in the context of fiscal constraints and the huge demand for financial aid?


Lastly, in terms of the strategic plan for the department, the timeline for amendments to the National Student Financial Aid Scheme Act promulgating policy on the implementation of fee-free higher education for the poor and regulating the administration of financial aid in South Africa is March 2017. Thank you.


Ms S MCHUNU: Speaker, may I first thank the Minister for such an elaborate ... [Interjections.] ... and enlightening response. Again, let me express my appreciation for what the department is doing with regard to student funding.


Hon Minister, our young people out there need hope and hope is what you are giving. [Interjections.] However, due to inadequate funding for loans, the current National Student Financial Aid Scheme of South Africa, NSFAS, awards do not cover the full cost of study, especially for students in high-cost programmes, such as human and animal sciences, as well as science and engineering. As a result, students are left with historic debt.


What plans are in place to assist such students at the beginning of the academic year, given that some universities expect them to settle their debt before allowing them to register? I thank you. [Applause.]


The MINISTER OF HIGHER EDUCATION AND TRAINING: Speaker, in response to hon Mchunu, I just want to highlight two things that we are doing in addition to what I have already said we would.


Firstly, I want to make this House aware that we are already paying full bursaries for students in scarce-skill areas that we have identified, such as Veterinary Science, Medical Studies, Engineering and so on. So those students are already receiving free higher education if they qualify in terms of the National Student Financial Aid Scheme of South Africa, NSFAS.


Secondly, what we are exploring at the moment are other mechanisms because part of the problem is that the threshold of R122 000 per family income is rather low. This threshold actually excludes a whole lot of people who ordinarily are not rich. A family that earns R130 000 per annum is not a rich family.


So we are actually exploring other mechanisms, and we hope to start with public servants to see if we cannot design a loan system to cater for those who fall outside the threshold as defined by NSFAS now.


We think that there are possibilities. I have asked NSFAS to look at this and I hope that in the next few months they will be able to come back to us. These two interventions will go a long way in terms of moving us closer to the goal of free higher education, especially for the poor. Thank you, Madam Speaker.


Mr Y CASSIM: Speaker, the hon Minister claims that the National Student Financial Aid Scheme of South Africa, NSFAS, is the vehicle to achieve fee-free higher education. However, there is a R51 billion shortfall for NSFAS to support the punted 2,3 million student increase for universities and colleges. Considering, hon Minister, that the increase to the NSFAS budget over the medium term, the next three years, is less than R1 billion, how do you envision ever rolling out fee-free higher education in our lifetime?


The MINISTER OF HIGHER EDUCATION AND TRAINING: Madam Speaker, if the Western Cape government was helping us ... [Laughter.] ... by sending poor students from Khayelitsha and other areas to train as doctors in Cuba, there would be less pressure on the National Student Financial Aid Scheme, NSFAS. [Applause.] [Interjections.]


So, the first step to expand is for the Western Cape DA government not to deprive poor kids from going and training as doctors in an arrangement made by the national government. [Interjections.] That is answer number one.


An HON MEMBER: Let me tell you that’s ridiculous!


The MINISTER OF HIGHER EDUCATION AND TRAINING: Answer number two is that as this government, we are committed to expanding the NSFAS so that in the end we achieve our goal that no student from a poor family must be deprived of a higher education if they qualify.


We have a record to prove that. Between 2009 and 2014, we tripled NSFAS from R3 billion to R9 billion. [Applause.] That is a very important step and, in addition, we have expanded NSFAS to now include students who are in the technical and vocational education and training sector from R318 million in 2009 to R2 billion this year.


This ANC government is going to continue to do that until, in the end, we are able to achieve our goal, although, at the moment, we do not have all the resources that we need. [Interjections.] Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. [Applause.]



Mnr B D JOSEPH: Speaker, die Nasionale Skema vir Finansiële Bystand vir Studente, NSFBS, is nie ’n skema wat arm en behoeftige studente van fooie kwytskeld nie, maar is liewer ’n lening aan studente, en die verwagting is dat hulle die lening moet terugbetaal wanneer hulle die arbeidsmark betree.


Ons weet ook dit is ’n feit dat rente gehef word op die lenings en dat werklose gegradueerde studente op die swartlys geplaas geword omdat hulle nie die lenings kan terugbetaal nie. Om op ’n swartlys geplaas te word, is ’n problem.



When will your department make free education accessible to the poor students of our country? This is a basic human right. I thank you.


The MINISTER OF HIGHER EDUCATION AND TRAINING: Speaker, we are not a rich country. [Interjections.] No matter how much noise ... [Interjections.] ... the EFF can make, it is only populism and only misleading our people. [Interjections.] The policy of government at the moment is that those who have qualified and are working must pay back so that those who come after them can be assisted. [Interjections.] That is the model that we are using. [Applause.] [Interjections.]


In addition ...


IsiZulu:... lalelani ukuze nifunde. Lalelani ukuze nifunde. [... listen so that you can learn. Listen so that you can learn.]


Secondly, with regard to the issue of interest, we have addressed it in two ways. [Interjections.]


First of all, we are no longer charging interest on loans whilst students are still studying. Secondly, we only start charging interest a year after graduation so that we actually lighten the load of repayment for the students. [Interjections.]


This has actually been accepted by the widest range of the South African population. That is why they keep on returning us to power – not you, the populists, who do not understand the challenges that are facing our country. [Interjections.]


Mr A M MPONTSHANE: Speaker, through you to the hon Minister, quite a number of individuals have, in the past, defrauded the scheme by submitting, amongst other things, falsified documents. This has led to the scheme being centralised by the department.


My question, hon Minister, is the following: How has centralisation of the scheme improved on these illicit practices of defrauding the scheme? I thank you.


The MINISTER OF HIGHER EDUCATION AND TRAINING: Speaker, hon Mpontshane is raising a very important matter. We are concerned about the level of fraud within the National Student Financial Aid Scheme, NSFAS. As a result, what we have decided to do is we are going to start a comprehensive forensic audit.


We are not going to start with all institutions. We are going to first select a few institutions where we have found strong indications that there is fraud so that we are able to close the tap so that those who benefit from the scheme are those who are deserving. That is what we are doing, which we hope will help us.


Also, it is important to know that if all of us were paying our taxes, by the way, it would also help us greatly to actually expand NSFAS so that more students could actually benefit from that. [Interjections.] It is important that all members of this House pay their taxes. Thank you very much. [Applause.] [Interjections.]


The SPEAKER: Hon members, I wish to recognise guests who are councillors from Buffalo City and the City of Johannesburg. [Applause.] I must say that they have been meeting with the Standing Committee on Public Accounts, Scopa, since yesterday in order to learn from Parliament ... [Interjections.] ... and enhance the work they do in the areas they come from. [Applause.] Welcome.














Question 395:

The MINISTER OF WATER AND SANITATION: Madam Speaker, the question that was asked relates to the water interruptions that happened in Gauteng. I hereby wish to share with the member that the interruptions in Gauteng came as a result of electricity failures. [Interjections.]


I also want to take this opportunity to thank our law-enforcement agencies for being able to arrest those who were involved in the stealing of cables that let to the lack of water supply. [Interjections.] They have now been charged and are going to trial. It had nothing to do with a water scarcity. It was theft and the vandalising of our infrastructure. Thank you. [Applause.]


Mrs Z B N BALINDLELA: Madam Speaker, hon Minister, the water disaster which took place in Gauteng was not caused by a mere technical glitch, as you’ve claimed before. [Interjections.] It was a failure of maintenance, a failure of risk management, a failure of planning and a failure of disaster management. [Interjections.] This is a situation which is prevalent in countless municipalities governed by the ANC. [Interjections.]


What steps have you taken to ensure the adequate maintenance of water infrastructure and the implementation of proper disaster risk-management plans across the country? Thank you, Madam Speaker. [Interjections.] [Applause.]


The MINISTER OF WATER AND SANITATION: Madam Speaker, I am not going to force myself to have to accept the lies that are being presented here today. [Interjections.] I want to bring a simple response ...


The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Madam Speaker, on a point of order: The hon Minister has accused the hon Balindlela of telling lies in this House. [Interjections.] I would submit this is unparliamentary. There have been other rulings in the last few days around this, and I would ask that she withdraws that.


The SPEAKER: Hon Minister, could you just withdraw that?


The MINISTER OF WATER AND SANITATION: I’m going to withdraw unconditionally, and say we should not use this House to bring ill-informed information about what is happening in Gauteng. [Interjections.] It was cable theft and the law-enforcement agencies have acted upon it. The question was related to the situation in Gauteng.


As for issues of maintenance, we are working on a 10-year maintenance plan, together with Co-operative Governance and Traditional Affairs. We are dealing with the backlog of infrastructure for water. On the question of Gauteng and the last incident, I’m not an English girl — I’m a Zulu girl and I don’t know what the meaning of “disaster” is to the hon member, but there was no disaster in Gauteng. [Interjections.] Water was supplied. I thank you. [Interjections.] [Applause.]


The SPEAKER: Order, hon members!


Prof N M KHUBISA: Speaker, hon Minister, with regard to the recent water crisis in Gauteng, can you elaborate on the specific areas that were affected and what steps have been taken to ensure that those are corrected? [Interjections.]


The MINISTER OF WATER AND SANITATION: Speaker, the areas that were affected were some parts of the West Rand in Krugersdorp – just three suburbs out of 21 in Krugersdorp. In Johannesburg, there were only six suburbs out of 49 that were affected. Soweto and Alexandra were not affected. Sandton was not affected. Orange Farm was not affected.


In Ekurhuleni, it was the old area of Boksburg. Gauteng begins in Merafong and it ends in Springs.  Therefore, you can’t say there was a crisis in Gauteng. There was a crisis in some pockets where the water supply was interrupted because of cable theft, which is a crime, not a disaster. I thank you. [Applause.] [Interjections.]


Mr D L TWALA: Hon Speaker, the water infrastructure in many parts of the country, including Gauteng, is old and dilapidated, as we inherited it from apartheid. [Interjections.] It needs serious upgrading and refurbishing. Our people are being denied access to quality water because of this problem.


Unfortunately, the majority of the people affected by this poor quality water live in deep rural areas. What is your immediate plan to address the water infrastructure backlog in the country, and what is your target to cover all the parts of the country? I thank you.


The MINISTER OF WATER AND SANITATION: Speaker, 45% of the budget that is related to addressing the water infrastructure backlog is already in our fiscus and that’s what we are using.


To deal with the current challenges that we are also seeing in some parts of Ngaka Modiri Molema District Municipality we have to deal with those who have funded some parties who are here in the House through water tankering, disrupting and vandalising property in Giyani and colluding with the wrong type of business people. [Interjections.]


We are acting against them because it’s collusion, and that’s why we have acted in Ngaka Modiri Molema. That’s why we’re acting in Giyani. That’s why we’re acting in the Mopani District Municipality – because it’s acts of corruption that were actually assisted by companies owned by some members on the other side of this House,. That’s what we are dealing with. I thank you. [Applause.] [Interjections.]


The SPEAKER: Hon Booi. [Interjections.]


Mr G A GARDEE: Madam Speaker ...


The SPEAKER: Hon Gardee, will you please allow us to pursue the question session? [Interjections.] No asking! No asking for a personal explanation. No, sit down, hon Gardee, I’m trying to address ...


Mr G A GARDEE: It’s a point of order!




Mr G A GARDEE: It’s a point of order, Madam Speaker.


The SPEAKER: Take your seat, hon Gardee! [Interjections.] Hon Booi.


Mr M JOHNSON: Hon Speaker, I had to come here. Johnson is my name.


Having been to Palmiet with the committee that included members of the DA and EFF, among other parties and having seen exactly what the issues were that caused all the problems in Gauteng, I want to know what would be the future plans for dealing with any such occurrences happening in future, especially as they relate to the energy ring feed system, the maintenance of such infrastructure, and most importantly, the upgrade of aged infrastructure. Thank you. [Interjections.]


The MINISTER OF WATER AND SANITATION: Speaker, I thank the hon member very much. Amongst the things we are looking at are plans to expand and provide alternative energy sources like hydropower from a utility in the sector. With some of our dams that we are expanding, our focus is to also generate hydroschemes.


Secondly, we have started to work with the law-enforcement agencies on the development of the water security plan, because some of our own sites are at national key points, hence the intervention that has now been made and the swift arrests that were made in Johannesburg.


Thirdly, it is important to ensure that every local authority does have a 10-year master plan in line with the back-to-basics approach led by the Minister of Co-operative Governance and Traditional Affairs. We have also started to work with institutions of higher learning to ensure that we create more capacity in terms of human capital interms of which we can deal with issues of maintenance and operations at local-government level.


However, we are quite weary of individuals who have taken advantage of the challenges in some of our rural areas and have used water tankering to siphon off money, hence our interventions in the abuse of government resources in Limpopo and what we have done in Giyani in terms of section 100(b). We will not allow a situation where individuals want to use the challenges of supplying water to generate money and collude to support their party-political interests. I thank you. [Applause.] [Interjections.]


The SPEAKER: Hon members, before I move to the next question, my attention has been drawn to the presence in the gallery of the honourable members who are guests from Uganda, who have come to study electricity provision. [Laughter.] [Interjections.] [Applause.] I would like to welcome those honourable members. [Interjections.]












Question 346:

The MINISTER OF WATER AND SANITATION: Madam Speaker, in order to enable communities to benefit from nearby dams or water pipes, the Department of Water and Sanitation is reviewing the actual licences and/or conditions of these licences with the intention of improving their benefit to nearby communities.


We are moving away from single-purpose dams as we have done in Jozini. We are doing the same with some of the dams that have been built in the North West and Limpopo. It is anticipated that all 11 projects will be completed within the Medium-Term Expenditure Framework, MTEF. I thank you.




Ngitsandza kubonga -ke Mphatsiswa ngemphendvulo. Emanti alilungelo labo bonke labakhona la eNingizimu Afrika, ngiyetsemba kutsi lelitiko leli litimisele kutsi libanike bonkhe bantfu lamanti.



With reference to the current land restitution and environmental aspects, how does the Minister hope to improve the interdepartmental engagement in relation to water-entitlement issues to limit future water crises and limitations? I thank you.


The MINISTER OF WATER AND SANITATION: Speaker, through the Department of Land and Rural Development, there are ongoing engagements with relevant departments in the Interministerial Committee, IMC, and other intergovernmental relations structures that seek to address and mitigate the challenges relating to services delivery at all levels of local government.


I must also emphasise that we have come to realise that some of the key success factors are the review of the Water Supply Act and the Water Services Act and the ownership patterns of water in South Africa. These are some of the things we believe will be game changers in the quest to ensure that there is redress in terms of the ownership of water and in the quest to redirect water to beneficiaries of the land restitution process. I thank you. [Applause.]


Ms N V NQWENISO: Speaker, communities should not be denied access to basic services such as water. That is number one. Access to quality water is a fundamental and basic right and surely, we cannot use water licences to deny our people access to water.


Minister, why do you have limitations on or controlled access for people to have access to water? Have those dams not been built to address severe water shortages in the country? Why do you infringe on the rights of the people of South Africa to have access to water? Have you observed what impact water licences have on the majority of the people of South Africa? I thank you.


The MINISTER OF WATER AND SANITATION: The National Development Plan, NDP, was developed after a diagnostic assessment of development in South Africa was done. It identified the issues of single-purpose dams as well as water licences as one of the stumbling blocks in securing access to water, hence my earlier response that there should be a review of the Water Supply Act and the Water Services Act.


As we speak now, together with the private sector, community-based organisations and traditional leaders, we are working towards reviewing the licensing processes including the regulatory environment.


The member is right. No one has the right to deny our communities access to water and, therefore, we are now intervening in the single-purpose dams as we did in Jozini. For the first time in 30 years, communities around uMkhanyakude were able to access water from a single purpose dam.


Nandoni is being upgraded so that communities can benefit. The work that was done in Giyani and in Sekhukhune is precisely because of the game changers that the NDP dictates that there cannot be a source which cannot be shared by different interest groups. I thank you. [Applause.]


Mr L J BASSON: Minister, mines are a major polluter of our country’s dams. Did you finalise the 104 cases of South African mines operating without valid water licences by 31 October 2014 as you said you would do? If not, why not?


The MINISTER OF WATER AND SANITATION: Madam Speaker, the 104 applications have all been attended to. In fact, we have now attended to 167, including those that were referred to us through the Presidential Infrastructure Coordinating Commission, PICC.


Those that have not actually been given their licences — it is precisely because of some of the issues that are related to the environment as well as other issues that have to do with mining regulations.


Some of the licences that have not yet been issued are not new licences but are requisitions for the expansion of mining by individual companies and it is precisely because of this that we can satisfactorily say we have gone beyond the 67. In fact, what we have now is 167 that we have done, over and above the 104 that we had committed ourselves to. I thank you. [Applause.]


Mr A M SHAIK EMAM: Speaker, to the hon Minister, let me start off by saying that not expecting infrastructure to break, or not expecting a motor vehicle to break is like standing in front of an oncoming train and expecting not be killed.


The question to you, Minister, relates to the Jozini Dam. Could you please advise which areas surrounding the Jozini Dam benefit from the supply of water from this particular dam? Thank you.


The MINISTER OF WATER AND SANITATION: Chair, I thank the member for the Question. I have indicated that the entire uMkhanyakude District Municipality will be accommodated in terms of beneficiation. During phase one, we already provided access to water for more than 40 villages around the area. We do believe that we will go throughout the entire district to provide water. Of importance is that we will also be generating energy through the inclusion of a hydrogenerating system on the Jozini Dam. I thank you. [Applause.]















Question 370:

The MINISTER OF HUMAN SETTLEMENTS: Madam Speaker, I am very happy to have with us here councillors from Gauteng and Buffalo City, because the project that we are talking about today will greatly benefit them and we hope that they will take with them this lesson, especially as they deal with the issues of Duncan Village and those that we have around Diepsloot and other areas in Gauteng.


I’d like to think of this project, hon Mafu, as a national project, as opposed to the kind of project that you have indicated here because this is exactly what has caused us the delay that we are experiencing.


It is a national project that has been driven by Ministers and Members of the Executive Council, Minmec. It was meant to be a project that gave us an indication of how our megaprojects would run. It has been accepted by Treasury as a first-off where we top-sliced the resources of all nine provinces to build on the N1 highway.


It was an extremely successful project for the first five years. We have had a slight dip in the last five years and we are picking up again. We hope that in the not-too-distant future the strip leading up to the airport will be completed.


Right now we have taken on the services of about 13 000 people to build the two phases and we are hoping that we are going to use this to take on the services of the youth brigade that we hope to inaugurate on 2 December 2014.


You went on to ask what it is that we would like to do with the funded posts that have been put aside by the department. We intend to ensure that we provide a co-ordinating management project to ensure that all nine provinces, the National Ministry and the City of Cape Town and all other role-players are co-ordinated from the national office so we will have a national co-ordinating office and that is where the posts are going to be utilised. Thank you.



Nksz N N MAFU: Mphathiswa, siyabulela ngempendulo yombuzo obaluleke kangaka. Ubalulekile ke lo mbuzo kuba le projekthi sithetha ngayo iseNtshona Koloni apho saziyo ukuba abantu bakuthi basajongwe njengabantu abangabaphambukeli kweli lizwe. Siye sithande xa sibona ukuba izindlu ziyakhiwa ukuze abantu bethu bakwazi ukufumana iindawo zokuhlala. Mphathiswa, umbuzo wam uthi kule projekthi, kuba siyayazi into yokuba le projekthi ifumana inkxaso kumasipala, kurhulumente wephondo kunye norhulumente wesizwe, bangaphi abantu abakhubazekileyo, abasetyhini nolutsha abafumana inkxaso kule projekthi?


The MINISTER OF HUMAN SETTLEMENTS: Speaker, we specifically chose the Western Cape to launch this project because, on a regular basis, hon Mafu, those of us sitting here in Parliament would drive to the airport and find the most miserable conditions on the way to the airport.


On a regular basis there would be fires on the N2; on a regular basis there would be floods on the N2, so we decided, as Minmec, the nine provinces, together, that we are going to use this as a test site to see how far we can go with the concept of mega projects.


When you say, “Sifumana inkxaso” [we get funding] from the province and from the city, I would like to qualify that – most times we do, but not at all times. The reason why we have decided to take this back to the national department and make it a national project is to ensure that we can build faster.


Last year alone they only managed to build 62 houses, which I think is a shame. We’ve taken it over and we intend to ensure that we can build at the fastest rate possible.


You asked, hon Mafu, how many people we have accommodated in this process; the totality of the people we would like to accommodate is about 22 000 people. We would like to make sure that it can grow from there. The project is not restricted to what you can see as you go to the airport. It includes a number of other projects, which includes Delft Symphony and New Rest, and goes right up to Boys Town. It is a whole corridor of poverty that we would like to turn into an example of what is possible when all three spheres of government work together and all nine provinces put their minds to putting this to test.


You want to know how many people we have put there who have been disabled – what happened is that we had to find a split between the people. It was an upgrade situation because there were people living there. We had to find a solution of taking 70% of the people who were on the ground and 70% of the people who were backyarders in Langa, because, since Langa was built there has not been another place where the people who grew up in Langa would be able to find accommodation. So, this is the split that we had and whenever we found that there was a disabled person there, we built special ramps and specially made areas for them. It would be very difficult for me to give you the number now.


However, in so far as the youth is concerned, this has been our policy. The policy of Breaking New Ground is that we are going to prioritise those people who are the most vulnerable. This is defined by the Statistician-General as the elderly over the age of 60 years; the young, very young, without parents; those who live with disabilities; and any other disability that individuals might experience in life.


Those are the people we wanted to make sure we can make a priority because the waiting list that we saw at that time was really long. So, this is what we’ve been doing.


As for those who are in a position to build their own houses, we would like to draw them into the youth brigade to ensure that they can build their own houses. There is a precinct on the N2 called New Rest, which we provided for people who are able to build their own houses.


This precinct is a serviced-site precinct and if you were to go there, hon Mafu, you would be impressed by what young people have been able to do to build their own houses. Thank you very much. [Applause.] [Time expired.]


Mr S M GANA: Madam Speaker, hon Minister, you will agree with me that one of the challenges facing the department in the provision of subsidised housing is that the wrong people get allocated houses - those who are not on the list.


In regard to the N2 Gateway Project, there are allegations or reports that the Housing Development Agency, HDA, had been allocating subsidised houses to people who are not on the priority list - what we have come to term as the “queue jumpers”.


I want to know from you, hon Minister, what will you be doing to ensure that the correct beneficiaries are allocated subsidised houses at the N2 Gateway Project and that there will be no queue-jumping by those who have just settled in along the area that the houses are being built? Thank you very much.


The MINISTER OF HUMAN SETTLEMENTS: Speaker, hon Gana, the issue of queue-jumping and the issue of the credibility of our database is something that is very important to us. In the Budget Vote that we had recently, I indicated that we are going to centralise all the beneficiaries — the demand for housing — to ensure, right through to the councillors who are sitting here, that they will be determined through a centralised database so there is no possibility of corrupting it, and no possibility of abusing the system as it stands.


We intend to corroborate our own database against that of Social Development where the indigent people are registered, and against that of Home Affairs. If there are any instances, hon Gana, where you are certain that there has been corruption by the Housing Development Agency, HAD, of giving houses to people who do not qualify, I will be very ready to investigate the matter and make sure that it is corrected immediately. Thank you.


Mr K P SITHOLE: Speaker, when does the Minister expect the N2 Gateway Project in the areas of New Rest and Boys Town to be completed, seeing that they were delayed earlier this year?


Another thing that I want to find out is whether the department has completed its identification of beneficiaries; if it has, how many are there?


The last part, hon Minister, is about the megacity project: When do you expect that megacity project to be extended to other provinces, except parts of Gauteng and KwaZulu-Natal?


The MINISTER OF HUMAN SETTLEMENTS: I’d like to start with the last one which is megacities. We would like every province to have two megaprojects. We would like to go the megaproject route because we can no longer afford to build small projects. It is not cost-effective.


We have a huge backlog and to cover that backlog, we have to make sure that we can maximise the space that we have and maximise everything that we have. Therefore, for the councillors who are here, please understand that going forward, we are prioritising megaprojects.


You would like to know about how long it’s going to take us to complete the N2 project right up to Boys Town. I’m not sure about that right now. What we will be doing at our next Ministers and Members of the Executive Council, Minmec, is to bring together all the various strains, the nine provinces and the people who are in the HDA who have been running this project to actually assess how far we’ve gone, where we’ve done things right, where we have not done things right; and where we have not done things right, to make sure that they do not recur in other provinces.


We are using this as a pilot project. After that we will be able to understand how long it’s going to take us to get to Boys Town. When we initiated this project with the MECs that we had in place, we thought that it would take us five years. It had not been part of our intention that it would take this long, but it did take this long. We had not anticipated it. This is what we are going to learn from — why it took so long — so that we can cut the time short.


Speaker, I think I have answered all the questions. I don’t think there is anything I have left out from the hon member’s question. Thank you.


Ms E N LOUW: Speaker, I think I pressed the button by accident. I thought it was on my question. So I will ask that you give my question to hon Mbatha.


The SPEAKER: Well, it so happens hon Mbatha is on the list.


Mr M S MBATHA: Hon Speaker, to the Minister.



Ngqongqoshe umcimbi lo walolu hlelo i-Gateway usubukeka engazuthi ufana nomthandazo kaguluva. Abantu balapha eKapa balokhu bezibuka nje lezi ziNdlu, balokhu bezibuka nje - azipheli. Kodwa masidlule lapho. Bengicela ukubuza mhlawumbe ukuthi abaseKhosovo nabaseBhaselona bakhona yini ezinhlelweni zakho ngoba ngikuzwile impela ugijima nayo.



The MINISTER OF HUMAN SETTLEMENTS: Hon Guluva, … [Laughter.] … we must tell the people of the Western Cape to stop praying. We have now taken over the project and they will get houses. It is a project that we are extremely proud of. Those of us who were part of the inception believe that this is a solution to a lot of our problems.


I want to read to you all the precincts that form part of this project. It is: Boys Town; Lusaka; Vukuzenzele; Europa; Barcelona; Kanana; Gxagxa, New Rest; Joe Slovo; and District Six – all those people are beneficiaries of this project.



Mabayeke ukuthandaza, Guluva ohloniphekileyo, sesifikile.







Question 370





The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: Hon Speaker, the question has two parts. With regard to the first part that deals with the entry to the teaching profession the answer is: No, the appointment of teachers in post levels one to four is done in terms of the personnel administrative measures, Pam.


Chapter two paragraphs 2.2 of the Pam stipulates that the minimum requirement for the appointment of an educator is a recognised three-year qualification known as Relative Education Qualification Value, REQV 13, which must include appropriate training as a teacher in order to qualify for appointment. No experience is required for appointment to post level one.


The Department of Basic Education together with the Department of Higher Education and Training, the SA Council of Educators, the Education Labour Relations Council and through the provincial departments of education and guided by the National Teacher Education and Development Committee is implementing the Integrated Strategic Planning Framework for Teacher Education and Development in South Africa. Thank you.


This plan is a product of the Teacher Education Summit that was held in July 2009.


The primary outcome of the plan is to improve the quality of teacher education and development in order to improve the quality of teachers and teaching as such. In the plan as proposed and agreed upon with all the teacher education stakeholders including labour unions, among the activities that are led by the department are the development and delivery of teacher-orientation programmes for new and foreign teachers, and for teachers assuming school leadership and management promotion posts. Sub two is that the orientation and the comprehensive induction programmes are meant to support teachers and there are no assessment elements built into them. These programmes have been conceptualised and are currently being developed.


With regard to the second part of the question, the answer is: Yes, we intend to introduce competency tests for promotion within the teaching profession. Sub one, the plan is to introduce competency test for promotion purposes during the 2015-16 financial year, after consultation with all the relevant stakeholders.


In order to be appointed to a promotion post, according to Pam, an educator must comply with all the minimum requirements in respect of qualifications and experience applicable to the particular post. Qualifications may vary depending on the phase, subjects or requirements for the promotion post. The minimum requirements in respect of experience for appointment to promotion posts are as follows: with regard to post level two, departmental head, at least three years of experience; with regards to deputy principal at least five years; with regard to the appointment as a principal at least seven years.


The subset of this question is that on 7 August 2014 the Minister called for public comment in a national Government Gazette on the South African Standard for Principalship. The Standard for Principalship will be promulgated as policy during the first quarter of 2015.


Its purpose, among other things, is to lay the foundation for the development of new measures for the appointment of teachers to promotional positions and the development of competency tests for such positions. Draft measures for the appointment of teachers on promotional posts have already been developed and are currently being discussed at various levels of the sector.


Public comments have been received and the Minister has set up a multidisciplinary team to consolidate the comments leading to the finalisation of the policy on the South African Standards for Principalship.


The Pam is currently under review at the Education Labour Relations Council, ELRC. Any proposed amendments to the requirements for appointment of teachers entering the profession and those who are promoted within the profession will be discussed with the teacher unions at the ELRC. I thank you.


Ms A T LOVEMORE: Speaker, thanks to the Deputy Minister for a detailed reply. There was a lot of detail, and I am aware of the processes. My disappointment was profound when the Deputy Minister stated that there was no intention to introduce competency tests for post level one teachers.


The Deputy Minister knows as well as I do that there is recent credible research showing that teachers that are coming out of most but not all, of our universities are not qualified properly to teach, they do not have the requisite subject knowledge and they do not have the requisite ability to convey what they know.


Furthermore, the National Development Plan, NDP, requires competency tests for teachers. There is no way that the Minister can say she is not going to do this. In whose interest is she making this decision? Certainly it is not in the interest of the children. Is it in the interest of unions, possibly Sadtu? I do not know.


But my follow-up question then to the Deputy Minister is: Why has his Ministry made a decision that is directly contrary to the requirements of the National development Plan? [Applause.]


DEPUTY MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: Hon Speaker, I shall try to respond to this matter rationally rather than emotionally. If the hon member had listened attentively … [Interjections.] … and if you give me an opportunity perhaps you would be enlightened and educated in terms of why.


With regard to entry to the profession, qualifications can be acquired either through a degree or a diploma. A conversation has taken place between the Department of Education and the Department of Higher Education and Training to ensure that those who enter the profession at a preset level, that is, before you become a teacher, have the appropriate competencies to teach. For example, in terms of our new paradigm, learners ought to be analytical, have to apply their knowledge to different context and have to have the ability to utilise ICT in the 21st century context.


No there are skills that teachers have to acquire and therefore in their training particular emphasis is given to these areas.


In addition, other than the theoretical element, that is, the practical element, this means that educators should have the appropriate induction into the profession. Therefore, in terms of the conversation, for entry to the profession these become critical requirements for purposes of qualification. With regard to those who are in the system in the in-service education for teachers, Inset, training, we have good news. The good news is, for example, to ensure that there is continuous professional development.


Let me share with you a few examples. With regard to leadership and management, we have enrolled more than 27 500 principals and deputy principals with the SA Council of Educators, Sace, for purposes of professional continuous development to ensure that they have the appropriate leadership and management skills.


In addition, more than 15 000 department heads of different subjects have also enrolled to ensure that they improve their skills. In addition and in a very real way, we can share with you that we already have 49 functional teacher resource centres across the country where teachers could go out there and share their experiences with their peers.


These are highly sophisticated ICT- connected facilities to ensure that there is continuous professional development in the teaching and learning environment. These are important steps.


Let me share with you, hon member, the fact that we’ve already created 94 instruments for assessment where an educator in the areas of Mathematics, Science and Languages, for example, across all grades is able in a nonintrusive manner to asses his or her competence. Now, if that is not progress and if that is not a response to the 21st century demands of the profession then please tell me what you can do that is better. I thank you.


Ms N GINA: Deputy Speaker, Deputy Minister, we know you always emphasise that at the heart of education there should be quality education and our teachers are at the centre of delivering quality education. Also, in your response you have spoken about the development of teachers, the in-service training and continuous teacher development.


One thing that has interested me most is the issue of orientation and induction programmes for those teachers who are entering and, more specifically, for our foreign international teachers getting into the system in South Africa.


Can you elaborate a little more on that programme because I believe, standing here, that this is one of the programmes that is going to contribute more to the quality of education we are looking for as a country. Thank you very much


The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: Deputy Speaker, hon Gina, thank you for raising this. There are three critical elements which we have to respond to and one of these is induction, the second is coaching and the third one is mentorship. These are very important instruments to ensure that we enhance the performance of our educators and promote quality education.


With regard to the element that you have raised, hon member, we could share with you that the introduction of induction programmes for new entrants in the education system is an exciting new development in the basic education sector. Previously induction programmes happened only in a very small, fragmented and unco-ordinated way.


The Department of Basic Education is working with the SA Council of Educators, Sace, the Department of Higher Education and Training together with other partners including funding organisations who have an interest in the induction of teachers to develop a comprehensive induction programme.


This has become necessary owing to the multifaceted nature of the proposed programme that involves many role players across the education sector. The research element is therefore critical to establish the empirical evidence as to what is necessary for the implementation of a successful programme in education.


The implementation of the induction programmes will happen with and through the provinces. In each of the nine provinces it will happen through the districts, which we meet every quarter, through schools and the SA Council of Educators. The successful completion of the induction programme may become a condition for registration with the SA Council of Educators.


This is something on which we and the relevant stakeholders will have to engage and consult. The elements of the programmes will include the introduction to the school; introduction to the classroom and its management; learner discipline; assessment; working with the community and parents; professional conduct; ethics; school districts; provincial and national expectations of what teachers should be doing; and the professional obligations of teachers in especially the key areas of psychosocial services in which they will have to acquire skills in the learning and teaching environment.


These elements are included in the education policy and procedures as determined at the relevant levels of the system. I thank you. [Time expired.]


Ms N R MASHABELA: Deputy Speaker, South Africa is by far the biggest funder of education in the African continent. [Interjections.] Where is this noise coming from, from the ruling party? Please learn to listen. [Interjections.]


South Africa is by far the biggest funder of education on the African continent but the quality of the output leaves much to be desired. Malawian primary school kids are more literate than South African kids despite the huge distance between these countries in terms of educational infrastructure and budgets.


Deputy Minister, do you not think that the close proximity between the ANC and Sadtu is the major toxic potion for our education system? Would they ever agree to the introduction of the competency tests? If they disagree will the department ever be in a position to go ahead with such a policy? Thank you. [Applause.]


The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: Deputy Speaker, I thank the hon member for raising a very important issue. I think that South Africans have an expectation that our children would be recipients of quality education. To that end, the competency and commitment of all educators is critical and necessary.


I would like to share with you that one of the challenges that we face in terms of the allocation of resources is that more than 80% of our resources currently go towards personnel costs. In other words, we have less than 20% for other purposes, that is, infrastructure, learner-teacher support material and creating a conducive environment for learning and teaching.


However, be that as it may, we have made a very positive start in terms of developing these instruments, and the information that we have in terms of our engagement with the various stakeholders is that they are more than willing and happy to utilise these instruments for purposes of self-assessment and enhancing their ability in different subjects.


As an educator, two skills are required. The first skill is the content knowledge, your ability and familiarity with the content of the knowledge. The second skills are the pedagogical skills that are critical and necessary — how you teach in the 21st century environment which demands innovative, critical and analytical thinking — to facilitate learning in the classroom.


Therefore, this element has been recognised by all unions as critical and necessary for the enhancement of teacher competencies.


Certainly the ANC is not subject to the wishes of any union, including Sadtu, and what we can share with you is that contrary to expectations, there are many educators who belong to the biggest union who teach in deep rural areas, in hard-to-teach areas, who provide free and voluntary services and that has indeed occurred even as we speak right now with matriculants writing their examinations under challenging conditions.


That does not suggest for one moment that they are not amongst those educators and teachers who bring the organisation into disrepute, and certainly we must deal with those parties harshly because we cannot compromise the integrity of the profession as a result of the misbehaviour of certain elements within an organisation.


I would want to certainly share with you that it is our view, and has always been our view, that all stakeholders and all teaching unions must collaborate with the Department of Basic Education in achieving the appropriate outcomes. We can certainly take heart from the fact that in the past few years there has been a solid basis laid for stability within the education sector. I thank you.


Mr A M MPONTSHANE: Deputy Speaker, hon Minister, I have this request ...



... ngicela singanyanyalati ...



... because I have listened to your responses very carefully, hon Deputy Minister. There is a huge gap between what you have told this House and what is happening down there among the practitioners of the profession when it comes to appointments and promotions.


The reality is that the department is not in control when it comes to appointments and promotions but rather the union is. So the first step towards correcting what is happening there is for the department to admit that it is not in control. I have concrete examples where the department is not in control. Many teachers and principals are sitting at home because the unions do not like them due to the fact that they do not belong to their unions. Hon Deputy Minister, what are you doing to curb such influence so that we eventually obtain quality education which is something that we all desire? I thank you.


The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: The hon member is a veteran in education. Although this is not technically a follow-up question, I certainly will respond to it given his status and his wisdom.


Indeed, we cannot and should not tolerate any form of corruption. We are aware of certain very strong allegations that have indeed emerged with regard to the appointment of educators and the role of certain unions in that particular process.


The Minister has established a very competent and comprehensive task team to carry out an investigation. Such a task team has already been established and has commenced its work. Already there is an invitation to the public to provide any evidence or make any submissions to the task team in order that we can deal with the problem and root out corruption. We cannot for a moment condone any such ill practices which tarnish the system and the image of the profession. I thank you.













The DEPUTY MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: Deputy Speaker, yes, this seems to be the case. As a reference, we can use the mass participation impact assessment study.


In recent years, the number of international organisations turning to sport as a potential tool in order to tackle a variety of social issues has led to the attention from both the United Nations, UN, and a growing number of nongovernmental organisations, NGOs. These programmes use sport in an attempt to foster individual and community development by confronting a variety of social, health and cultural issues.


Central to the notion of poverty alleviation is sustainable human development, which recognises that development is more than economic growth. Development is a process of enlarging people’s choices by increasing the opportunities available to all members of society. Based on the principles of inclusion, equity and sustainability, emphasis is on the importance of increasing opportunities for the current generation as well as generations to come.


The basic human capabilities necessary for this are to lead long and healthy lives, to be knowledgeable, to have access to the resources needed for a decent standard of living and to be able to participate in the life of the community. Sport can directly help build these capabilities.


Participation in sport has significant physical benefits, but also provides psychosocial benefits, such as fostering social integration and teaching coping mechanisms, as well as psychological benefits, such as reducing depression and improving concentration.


While sport is essential to human development, it also contributes to economic development. The economic potential of sport is highlighted by its economic weight, resulting from activities such as the manufacture of sporting goods, sports events, sport-related services and the media. Beyond being an economic force in itself, sport is also a potential catalyst for economic development.


A physically active population is a healthier population, with improved productivity of the workforce and increasing economic output. Sport and physical activity also provide one of the most cost-effective forms of preventative medicine, with the potential of a dramatic cut in health care costs.


Sport further adds to economic development by providing an affordable method of improving employability, especially among young people. By teaching core essential values for the workplace such as teamwork, leadership, discipline and the value of effort, it really provides young people with a constructive activity that helps reduce levels of juvenile crime and antisocial behaviour and, it does provide a meaningful substitute to work.


Sport can also be an engine for local economic development and job creation. Sport programmes provide employment opportunities and it stimulates demand for goods and services. Sport is also an important source of public and private expenditure such as the investment in infrastructure during major events and also on the consumption side. Together these factors result in sport having considerable potential for initiating economic development.


Kofi Annan, a former secretary-general of the United Nations, stated that the aim of the United Nation activities involving sport is not the creation of new sporting champions and the development of sport but rather the use of sport in broader development and peace-building activities.


Sport, therefore, provides a safe space for children and adolescents, and promotes healthy alternatives to drug, tobacco, and alcohol abuse. Through participation in sport, children can develop a sense of belonging, develop relationships with peers and adults, and learn team-building skills. For vulnerable children, sport can help provide structure and keep young people off the streets.


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Thank you hon member. Your time has expired Sir.




Ms B N DLULANE: Thank you, Deputy Speaker. Deputy Minister, we appreciate your detailed responses. [Interjections.] Yes, how do we customise activities, practically and programmatically, in rural areas especially in disadvantaged areas?


The DEPUTY MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: Thank you, hon Dlulane, for asking this important question.


Deputy Speaker, as you will know, we have a National Sport and Recreation Plan that was adopted by Cabinet in 2012, after the consultative process in a sporting indaba that resulted and culminated in us adopting that plan in November 2011. Part of that plan is to be addressing the ills in society as well as to create access and equity and to ensure that we create access for our children.


Part of that is the funding mechanism that we have submitted to Treasury with a request to give us the funds to roll out this plan. Part of that is also to ask for the P-component of the municipal infrastructure grant, Mig, to be ring-fenced so that we can comprehensively introduce the national sporting plan and the infrastructure plan on a planned, phased-in basis in order to address the absence of facilities. In so doing, we can unlock the potential not only in the rural areas but right throughout the country as well as in the cities.


We must take our children off the streets, promote positive behaviour and get them to actively participate and live a healthy lifestyle. Thank you.


Mr S C MNCWABE: Deputy Minister, I want to know how many sports academies had been built in various municipalities in our country, and how is the department assisting young stars in schools and those outside schools to engage in sport in order to curb crime, alleviate poverty and reduce unemployment? Thank you.


DEPUTY MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: In terms of the National Sport and Recreation Plan - if you read the plan, which I advise the hon member to do – you will see we have embarked on a process in collaboration with municipalities to create district academies and to have sport-focus schools in collaboration with the Department of Basic Education.


Again, in terms of our roll-out to identify the talents of our young people and future sports stars of this country, we should not only put them in district sports academies but also put them in provinces. Also, through the bursary scheme of the Ministry of Sport and Recreation, we want to provide our young future stars with the opportunity to be in sports focus schools.


These are some of the interventions that we are introducing and implementing to ensure that we unleash the potential of our young people. We will improve access to our facilities, but more importantly, we will address the issue of transformation which is central to the National Sport and Recreation Plan.


We have to address that and we have to create the opportunity for our children to really come to a starting line which is the same for all the children in this country. Thank you.



Mnu K P SITHOLE: Ngiyathokoza Sekela Somlomo, into engifisa ukuyiqonda kuSekela Ngqongqoshe lapha ukuthi okokuqala, banalo yini uhlelo lokuhambela izindawo zasemakhaya bayosiza baphinde bafundise ngezindaba zezemidlalo nezinhlobonhlobo zezemidlalo?


Okwesibili, ingabe ikhona yini eminye iminyango esizayo ukuthi kube noshintsho kwezemidlalo? Ngiyabonga.



DEPUTY MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: Mr Chair, If the interpretation was correct - my apologies that I cannot follow the hon member’s language — but in terms of the rural areas, I thought I had answered the question when we were answering the previous one, in terms of the sport focus schools, the school sport programme that we are creating and the district academies.


We are also addressing the roll-out in terms of a programme with the German Development Bank, Kreditanstalt für Wiederaufbau, KFW, they roll out the sporting facilities and multipurpose facilities in the rural areas to create access for our people there. Thank you.


Ms N P SONTI: Deputy Minister, the country needs to disabuse itself of the notion that sport can be used as a Panado that artificially stops the pain of racial inequality. The truth of the matter is that young black South Africans who have vast potential to excel in sport simply cannot do so now because of the material disadvantages in their socioeconomic conditions.


What is the Minister doing to make sure that sporting facilities in townships and villages are of the same quality as those found in more affluent areas? Usile wena!


The DEPUTY MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: As I have explained, firstly, we have approached the Treasury for funding to roll out the National Sport and Recreation Plan. Secondly, it is well known that we are advocating for the ring-fencing of the P-component of the municipal infrastructure grant, Mig, so that we can address the roll-out to meet the need caused by the lack of sporting facilities in rural areas and across the country.


These are the things that we are doing and engaging with on a daily basis, and I trust that we can count on your support in that case










Question 350:

The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: Hon Deputy Speaker, the question has two parts. With regard to the first part, the department uses various creative recruitment strategies to attract high-achieving and motivated young people to choose teaching as a career, in order to address teacher supply problems, especially in specific priority areas such as Mathematics, Science and Technology.


Through the district-based and community-based programmes, 2 000 young people can potentially be awarded the Funza Lushaka Bursary to register for a teaching degree that will see them joining the teaching profession when they graduate. The department is also in partnership with the Independent Schools Association of Southern Africa, Isasa, to run an internship programme through which carefully selected students, with a specific focus in Mathematics, Science and Technology as well as Foundation Phase teaching and learning, are trained to become teachers.


With regard to the second part of the question, currently the department directly contributes to the recruitment of young initial teacher education candidates through the Funza Lushaka Bursary scheme. The scheme is aimed at increasing the supply of educators in scarce-skills subject areas. The department continuously strives to improve the conditions of service for all educators in order to retain them in the profession.


Through the introduction of the Occupational Specific Dispensation, OSD, in 2008 and 2009, salaries of educators were substantially improved. As part of the improvement in retention, the department is currently in the process of reviewing the teacher incentives policy to ensure that incentives that are offered are more focused and targeted. One of the instruments being considered is the incentive for teachers, qualified in scarce-skills subjects such as Science, Technology, Mathematics and Accountancy, to receive the incentives.


These incentives will be aimed, not only at attracting and retaining scarce-skills subject teachers in the system in general, but also at distributing such skills across the system, particularly in rural areas and townships. For instance, consideration will be given to offering enhanced incentives to teachers with scarce skills who are willing to teach in rural and hard-to-teach areas.


The department is also engaging with the Department of Higher Education and Training to ensure the development of mechanisms for the identification and screening of new teachers, including interviewing students before they are admitted to initial education training programmes. This is to ascertain whether they indeed have the passion and commitment to become competent and good teachers. This is done in order to ensure that the suitability of candidates who enter the teaching profession is not compromised, and that it is not really a mechanical admission on the basis of results. Thank you very much.


Mrs J V BASSON: Hon Deputy Minister, thank you for such a precise and informative response. It is much appreciated. My brief question is: Since some of these Funza Lushaka graduates use this government bursary as a gateway to get a profession or  a degree, and when qualified they go to greener pastures and join other companies, what plans do the Minister and the department have in place to ensure that Funza Lushaka graduates, especially the scarce–skills subject graduates, are kept in the system for a period of time which will ensure that the education system benefits from the department’s investment of fully-funded bursaries? I thank you. [Applause.]


The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: I thank the hon member for her question because it is a very important aspect. Firstly, the Funza Lushaka Bursary Programme provides a full, and perhaps the best, bursary award to a learner. It includes their transportation, their accommodation, their books, etc, so it’s a very comprehensive allocation. Given the importance of ensuring that we retain those skills within the profession, in terms of their contract the student would basically serve the department for the equivalent number of years that he or she has received the benefit.


Secondly, should the student abandon or change course midway, the contract will be terminated immediately and the amount would have to be reimbursed to the Department of Basic Education.


Thirdly, we have paid particular attention to the importance of screening so that when students apply for entry to universities, not only must they comply with the qualification requirements but they must be able to persuade the interviewer that they have the appropriate commitment and passion for the profession.


Finally, we have ensured that we have, sort of, cascaded this particular task to the districts and to community-based organisations.


To give you an example, within districts the district officials might identify aspirant educators who would serve as good teachers and they would therefore play an important role in selecting and nominating such people; or within a school environment, one might have a temporary teacher or an assistant teacher who has the appropriate qualifications, skills and the passion to teach.


That recommendation from the principal of a school, a community member or governing body member, would certainly influence the qualification of that student to become a recipient of a Funza Lushaka bursary. I thank you, Deputy Speaker.


Ms A T LOVEMORE: Deputy Minister, the Minister of Home Affairs recently gazetted a list of critical skills. These are skills that we invite foreigners to South Africa to share, because we are so desperately short of them. Every single trade, from plumber to motor mechanic to electrician, is on that list, and yet the number of learners taking technical subjects has dropped by 10% over the past five years.


Every possible career linked to information communications technology, ICT, is on that list of critical skills and yet less than 1% – in fact 0,85% of our learners – are registered to write Information Technology, IT, or Computer Applications Technology this year.


Clearly, the government is not very good at identifying scarce skills and addressing the need for them. Deputy Minister, exactly what mechanisms and information sources does your department use to identify scarce skills?


The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: Thank you very much, hon member. I think it is a very critical element because our system must be able to respond to the relevant skills that are required by the country. To that end, the issues or the aspects that you raised with regard to IT become very, very critical.


The promotion of Mathematics and Science for purposes of engineering and for the purpose of pursuing a career as a health professional, whether as a medical doctor or an occupational therapist, also becomes critical. So there are very broad skills that are required within the country.


What is it that we specifically do? Firstly, we have certainly recapitalised, by more than a billion rand, the technical colleges to ensure that they become an important platform for the acquisition of skills, whether it’s in terms of mechanical or electrical engineering, or ICT. These are curricula that are being offered and that have been developed and designed in our technical colleges.


Secondly, we’ve also ensured that, because of the importance of the engineering area and the electronic engineering area, we will also introduce Technical Mathematics and Technical Science which will be implemented from 2015.


Finally, we also work very, very closely with the Department of Higher Education and Training to ensure that the Technical Vocational Education and Training, Tvet, centres have a synergy with our Department of Basic Education so that there is no duplication but rather that they complement each other in the acquisition of skills.


Our sources of information are varied. Information comes from the Department of Economic Affairs or it might come from the Minister of Tourism who has a particular interest in it. Just to give you an example, Tourism itself has become an important platform within the Technical, Vocational Education and Training, Tvet, environment because of its great need. So there are various sources of information and we then respond accordingly to these sources on the basis of empirical data that is supplied to the Department of Basic Education.


Nonetheless your point is a legitimate one and certainly a correct one. Across the curriculum, these particular skills are honed in a way that our learners are able to make a meaningful contribution to the economy. Thank you very much.


IsiZulu: Nk M S KHAWULA: Ngicela bakithi ningangiphazamisi. Please![Uhleko.] Umbuzo wami lana eMnyangweni wezeMfundo ngifuna ukwazi ukuthi eNgudwini le Phansi kwaMaphumulo izingane zesikole zihamba kabuhlungu ziwela umfula ngezikebhe ubona ukuthi zilengela engozini. Uzibona ziqgoka inyunifomu yesikole zimi ngaphesheya zinqunu. Uthini uhulumeni ngaleyo nto.


Kuthi lezi ezinemali zikhokhe i-R10 ukuze zihambe ngesikebhe osibonayo ukuthi asinayo igaranti. Singagumbuqeka noma yinini zife leziya zingane. Uthini uhulumeni? Ngisasemakhaya njalo. Ngiyabuya futhi.[Ubuwelewele.] Ngibuyela khona emakhaya, emakhaya izikole zikude. Isikole engangifunda kuso sasifunda umama wami. Namhlanje sisekhona nebholoho lakhona lisagijima amanzi – akukenziwa lutho. Njengoba ngikhuluma nani asibiyiwe, asinalo nocingo lokuxhumana [land line.].


Othisha babanjwa inkunzi lapha eNingizimu Afrika yonke. Bayagetshengwa, baphucwa omakhalekhukhwini nezimali zabo. Okwesibili, njengoba ngigqoke umbala omhlophe nobomvu [white and red in English] ngafundiswa nguthisha. UsePhalamende noma ngabe ukuphi umuntu wokuqla ngqa okhiqize yonke le minyango uthisha. Kodwa uma uthi uyabheka iminyango iyaholela kepha uthisha uhola isenti. Nithini ngaleyo nto? Bengicela Ngqongqoshe ke nisukume. Nezingane esezifundile zaqeda, izikole azikho sezigcina zibhema iwunga ngoba imisebenzi inikezwa izihlobo. Ziqhubeke yini izingane zifunde na? [Ihlombe.]


USEKELA SOMLOMO: Lungu elihloniphekile siphelile isikhathi sakho.



The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: Hon Deputy Speaker, although this is not a follow-up question, given the importance ... [Interjections.] Please bear with me.


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Order, hon members!


The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: The issue here is that listening is a skill, and what I’m saying is that, given the importance of the issues raised by the hon member, it deserves a response.


Certainly, as we look at the provision of infrastructure within our communities, particularly in the Eastern Cape and KwaZulu-Natal, we cannot ignore, as the hon member is correcting saying, the issues of roads and bridges. You must be able to have easy access to your institutions of learning.


Indeed, what we can say is that, in the context of the Eastern Cape for example, since the middle of last year, week after week we have been delivering a state-of-the-art school to our people which includes a laboratory, a library, ICT provisioning, and which is fully furnished with Grade-R facilities, sanitation, water and electricity.


The challenge is huge, so if you go to the Eastern Cape you will still find mud schools and you will still find unsafe schools, but the progress that has been made just in the past year and a half is a clear indication of the commitment of this government to the provision of quality infrastructure.


Certainly what we do as we plan, is to take into account the important elements raised by the hon member which says that you can’t look at things in a narrow, parochial way; you’ve got to look at it comprehensively and look at the best interests of the child in a particular rural area.


We should celebrate the fact that 8 out of 10 children go to no-fee schools and that even out of the remaining 20% of those who cannot afford it, they are exempted by law from paying. So, there is free basic education.


We can celebrate the fact that we have universal access to our schools and education. We can celebrate the fact that we have indeed made huge strides, but the challenges exist and certainly, together we can do more to create a better learning and teaching environment for our people. We thank the hon member for raising such important issues. [Applause.]


Mr G A GARDEE: Deputy Speaker, on a point of order: The hon member Khawula asked a question about children crossing a river without a bridge. [Interjections.] The Minister must answer the question. When is the bridge being built at that place he mentioned?


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon member, that’s not a point of order. The Deputy Minister can be reached so that you can get a complete answer. He’s time was expired.


Hon Khawula spoke beyond her allocated time and that was out of order. I gave her even more time to ask her question. She took all the time. So the answer can be obtained from the Deputy Minister. Let’s appreciate that we should follow the rules. That question can easily be asked and the Deputy Minister can follow up on it.


Mr A M MPONTSHANE: Hon Deputy Minister ...



...bangibangela umsindo lapha phansi. Phini likaNgqongoshe ...



There are two issues here. The first one relates to suitable Grade 12 learners and the second one refers to scarce skills. Let me concentrate on suitable Grade 12 learners, whatever that means. Perhaps the Minister has unpacked the concept of suitable Grade 12 learners. Is it suitable in terms of age, percentage obtained or geographical spread? What does suitable Grade 12 mean?


Connected to this, my question is, in your view what are the variables on which the recruitment of these suitable Grade 12 learners will be dependent?


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon member, your time has expired. [Interjections.] Thank you very much.


The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: Thank you very much, hon member. I am glad you raise this question. With regard to suitability, we look at various elements within the system.


Firstly, the person must be competent and adequately qualified, and have the appropriate pass rate to be able to enter the profession;


Secondly, he or she must show a desire or propensity to become a teacher;


Thirdly, we must ensure that there is a geographical spread with a particular bias and partiality to poorer communities and poorer schools;


Fourthly, there should be a provincial and regional spread;


Fifthly, there is the issue of the skills and subject qualifications that are required; and


Finally, there are issues of gender.


It’s a range of issues that one takes into account in terms of the allocation of resources for the Funza Lushaka Bursary.


These variables play themselves out from province to province because there is disproportionate development in provinces. So, the criteria that you might use – and that is why the word suitable is used – in Gauteng would differ very significantly from the criterion that you would use in KwaZulu-Natal or the Eastern Cape which are deeply rural and which have very different challenges.


So, these are among the factors that are taken into account in the allocation of resources. We have also indicated that we don’t only leave this task to universities or institutions of higher learning, but we also allow for district and community participation, to ensure that appropriate and suitable candidates do indeed become the bursary recipients of the fund or scheme. Thank you.













Question 379

The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: Hon Deputy Speaker, I think they are probably tired of hearing my voice and my response is going to be very brief ...


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: We will tell you that, hon member, don’t bother.


The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: ... with regard to the first part, according to the National Education Infrastructure Management System, NEIMS, database, as at the end of October 2014, 6 719 schools have pit latrines. The second part is, of the 23 677 schools, there are 4 682 schools that experience an unreliable water supply. Unreliable water supply in the context of the system of education refers to where infrastructure has been provided but the availability of water is intermittent due to municipal water cuts or in case of boreholes where there is a drop in the water table. Thank you.


Ms D VAN DER WALT: Deputy Minister, the other side of the figures looks like this; there are 11 033 pit latrines nationally, the Eastern Cape has got 3 479, Limpopo 2 574 and Mpumalanga 858, all these are ANC-led provinces whilst the Western Cape has zero pit latrines.


It is also the province with the lowest number of unreliable water supply to schools than any other province. Will you engage with the Department of Education Western Cape to determine best practices to roll out essential infrastructure in all schools or will the ANC-led government place their pride before the basic rights of poor learners?


The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: Deputy Speaker, the results of this disproportional development in our country is certainly caused by the predecessors of that political party she represents. [Interjections.] Obviously, blacks were generally marginalised, infrastructure, water and sanitation were not provided. [Applause.]


In 1996, there were 15 000 schools in the country without water and sanitation — 15 000. We have less than a thousand now, it is not acceptable but we have brought it down. This is the legacy of apartheid. This is a legacy of gross neglect [Applause.]


For an hon member who knows that there is a stark difference between an urban developed province such as the Western Cape and Gauteng as compared to the Eastern Cape and KwaZulu-Natal to suggest that the same criteria and the same conditions must apply given the historical advantages that they have enjoyed not for decades, but for centuries, are certainly preposterous.


I certainly would ask the hon member to engage with the ruling party to better understand the politics of where we come from and the challenges that lie ahead as a result of the oppression and repression of the apartheid regime. [Applause.]


Mr N P KHOZA: Deputy Speaker, Minister, your department must be ashamed ...


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon Khoza ...


Mr N P KHOZA: I am here.



Mnu T Z M KHOZA: Hhayi ase ume babe!


Mr N P KHOZA: I am also Khoza so you must clarify which Khoza.


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Yes, that is what I was about to do when you interrupted me.


Mr N P KHOZA: So he must not tell me to sit down because I am also Khoza.


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Okay, hon member, you must sit down and allow hon Khoza from the ANC to speak first.


Mr N P KHOZA: Thank you.



Mnu T Z M KHOZA: Sekela Somlomo, basheshe bakhohlwa laba labakulencenye lena. Angati noma bakhohliswe kutsi sekunalabanelibala lelifana nelami phakatsi kwabo, kutsi tonkhe letinkinga lesikhuluma ngato namuhla tisuka kubo. Siyafisa kwangatsi bangake baphendvuke bakubuke loku lokuhle lokwentiwa nguMnyango weTemfundvo. Uma ubuka 80,2% wetikolo atinato letinselela [challenges] temanti.

Kepha nje ngisasho njalo ngifisa kwati [Sekela Mphatsiswa] kutsi kulelitiko lakho ...



... what measures are in place to address water challenges in schools and does the department have any plans to address these challenges? Thank you.


The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: The challenges that relate to water provision in schools include, but are not limited to the following: vandalism and theft of water supply infrastructure.


The hon Minister of Water and Sanitation has indicated the challenge in Gauteng earlier in this regard, where infrastructure, that is, water reticulation and required features, had been provided but the availability of water is but intermittent due to municipal water cuts or in the case of boreholes, a drop in the water table, where there is a break down of the pump station equipment and the borehole mechanisms that have been supplied and provided, where water losses occur through ineffective municipal water reticulation networks that exist, where there is contamination of water as a result of toxic substances under ground and where there is an inadequate supply of infrastructure provided by municipalities.


In provinces such as KwaZulu-Natal, the Eastern Cape and Limpopo, where areas are quite far from urban city centers, the problem becomes even bigger. Therefore, we have explored different means of provision of water, municipal provision, boreholes, rain harvesting, delivery to Jojo tanks, etc, to ensure that to the best of our ability we are able to provide water to our learners in the schools even under very difficult circumstances. I thank you.




Mr K P SITHOLE: Kube yiphutha, bekuwubaba uMpontshane.


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hhayi sengiyakweqa ke. Hon Khoza of the EFF - hhayi zihamba ngolayini lezinto baba uMpontshane.


Mr N P KHOZA: Deputy Minister, your department must be ashamed that after 20 years of freedom, kids still die from falling into pit latrines, that black kids still have to walk kilometres to fetch water in KwaZulu-Natal, Eastern Cape and in other provinces because their schools do not have water.


How much longer will it take the ANC-led government to ensure that each and every school in every corner of our country has proper sanitation infrastructure, libraries and computer laboratories? Thank you.


The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: Deputy Speaker, indeed, I think it is a matter of great concern that any school without water and sanitation is a school that we could regard as conducive to learning and we have a moral and political responsibility to ensure that we do so.


I have indicated earlier that in 1996, 15 000 schools were without water. We have made progress, but we have to accelerate it. What the department has done through the Accelerate School Infrastructure Development Initiative, ASIDI, programme is to ensure that those schools that are without water facilities, irrespective of where they are located, will be on the list of the ASIDI programme so that the national department could take responsibility in terms of delivery.


We already have evidence and empirical evidence is available where these interventions have been made that the delivery has been accelerated significantly in terms of water provision and electricity. I will not for a moment try to defend the violation of the rights of our children where there is no water. I shall, with you hon member, hang my head in shame. I thank you.


Mr A M MPONTSHANE: Deputy Speaker, I appreciate that sequence. Setting oneself targets is not a bad thing at all. I remember previous Ministers had targeted 2014 as a year when pit toilets will be done away with, this has not happened. Is the Minister in a position to tell this House what are the factors that have impeded the department from reaching this target?


Also, Minister, I realise that provision of water in schools is not the sole responsibility of the Department of Education and that is when intergovernmental relations come to the fore. What sort of intergovernmental relations are there between the municipalities when it comes to the provision of water in schools?


The DEPUTY MINISTER OF BASIC EDUCATION: Deputy Speaker, with regard to the relationship between the Department of Basic Education and the Ministry of Water and Sanitation, there is an ongoing relationship and protocols have been signed. In fact, most of the schools received their delivery of water and electricity under the auspices of the Ministry of Water and Sanitation and the Ministry of Energy. So, that collaboration and integrated system approach has indeed been adopted.


There is also a renewed conversation with the Minister of Co-operative Governance and Traditional Affairs, Cogta, to ensure that they too, play a role in terms of the provision of water.


With regard to pit latrines, I think there is a misunderstanding. What the Minister had committed herself to was the eradication of the bucket system within our schools and there are no bucket systems.


In your deep rural schools where there is no access to water you can’t have a water-borne sanitation system. So you would then basically provide the appropriate, safe and comfortable environment. You cannot have pit latrines that are unsafe and that do not comply with the norms and, indeed, we have published norms for it. The moment water is available in an environment, we ensure that water-borne sanitation is provided.


For example, the hon van der Walt had spoken about 11 000 schools that have pit latrines. Those are schools with pit latrines and water-borne sanitation because we had moved from pit latrines to water borne sanitation when water became available.


I do agree with you hon member that we have to work collaboratively in terms of this exercise, but necessary protocols are in place and indeed, together we can do more and take South Africa forward. Thank you.












The DEPUTY MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: Deputy Speaker, thank you so much. tThe replies are as follows: As regards Tthe firstly, part of the question, the priorityies sporting codes are the focus of the school sports programme and therefore schools are encouraged to play at least two to three codes out of the 16 prioritisedes codes.


Secondly, enablers us to be provided tothe schools in order for them to implement the schools sport leagues for the next four years are: One, the number of schools that will receive sport equipment and attire per year will be 400;, two, theselecting a number of schools to receive multipurpose sporting codes will be nine per year;. three, the number of educators that will be trained in coaching and administration of sport will be 240 per year;. four, the number of schools receiving sports toolkit will be 10 000;. and lastly, the number of learners attending the National Schools Sport Championship per year will be a minimum of 10 000.


With regard to Tthe third part of the question, Deputy Speaker, transformation has been a big challenge because, up to now, there has not been any dedicated systematic and objective programme, or mechanism towe make it as a measure, evaluate and monitor progress made by each federation in terms of transformation prior to 2011.


Following the National Sport and Recreation Indabadone in 2011 and the Ttransformation Ccharter of SA Sport within the scorecard that has forms part of that, we have published and widelywhile we distributed that to the sporting sector.


Transformation is now beingbeen addressed throughto the publication of the Eminent Persons Group, EPG,s Report on the Ppanos Ttransformation Oorder of the first federations, - the big five that was published in 2013. This will be followed by the next ordered in this year 2014 Of the 16 priorityies sport federations up to the provincial levels.


The iIntervention pProgramme arises out of the report of the recommendations of the Eminent Persons Groups, EPG. The department is now able to set targets and enforce the consequences for noncompliance to be at the federation. So, I thank you.


Mr P G MOTEKA: Deputy Speaker, the question is directly going to the Minister of Sports and Recreation. Deputy Minister, you spentd R65 million on the so- called Sports African Sports Awards. The amount of R21 million came directly from the taxpayer and. Tthe prize money to athletes who are already doing well totaltotaled to R3,7 million.


You spentd R4,4 million for hotel rooms in the Sun City hotel and much more onin a concert venue.


The tender was jointly awarded to Sabelo Uyabizwa Media an ltimate porting oncept. The former has no traceable website or value-added tax, VAT, number. Deputy Minister, what is the proportion of the money you spen on National Sports Awards to the money you spen on actually building sports capacity in township and rural areas Thank you.


The DEPUTY MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: Deputy Speaker that is a new question. I suggest the hon member submits the question as a new question. Thank you. [Applause.]


Mr D BERGMAN: Deputy Minister, in the last financial year, 4 000 schools were supposed to be supported to participate in school sports leagues, but zero were. Curiously, however, a 100% of the school’s sport budget was spentds.


I won’tant answers taketo this question down to a level of whether we asked if it was used to build soccer fields at someone’s mansion instead of at schools, but what I do want to ask is, if it misseds the target by 100%, where, in fact, did this money go and will it finds its way back to this important line itemArtan?


The DEPUTY MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: Hon Deputy Speaker, the hon member is giving me news now because I was quite privy notand part ...of that. [interjections.] No, hon members there,; we have to uphold the decorum of the augusthon House. [Interjections.] Please, I mean, you made the assertion here and I am trying to respond to you. You know, are we here to listen to one another and give room in the robust debate that we are engaging in here or do we just ignore the decorum of the House?.


So, I have been privy and part of a National School Sport Championship, starting in the district levels right up to provincial, up to national, and we have seen the increase of participation last year and the previous year. So, I do not understand where the question arises from. Thank you, Deputy Speaker.




Mr Mnu K P SITHOLE: Siyabonga Somlomo.



Mr K P SITHOLE: Deputy Minister, how does the departmental plan for ratificationrectification of dilapidated schools sport fields? Are you still consulting with the Department of Education on this matter? What system is in place for major transformation in all sporting codes? Thank you.


The DEPUTY MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: Deputy Speaker, we are obviously in partnership, hon member, with our sister Department of Basic Education, but yes, we have the Ssport for Cchange programme in partnership with the German Development Bank KfW.


We were rolling out our sporting facilities, if not in the school, then in a nearby area.


We are addressing the question of rolling out multipurpose facilities in communities basically at schools with the view to having access for communities also at the schoolsas a discourse.


I can say that, when you talk about schools being built,d there is my colleague the Deputy Minister of Education. Every new school that they build in this country, the ANC-led government ensures that we have a sporting facility for the children to participate and part as apractise sporting in schools. I thank you. [Applause.]


Mr S M RALEGOMA: Deputy Speaker, given the challenges highlighted by your detailed responses Deputy Minister, can you expand on the good programme by the Minister on the talented youth, how he has intervened in ensuring that they can also have possibilities to engage in sport? Thank you.


The DEPUTY MINISTER OF SPORT AND RECREATION: Thank you Hhon member, yes. Firstly, as we all know, that we have initiated the talent identification programme linked to the development of the talent that we identify. We also know that we have agreed that the percentage of the conditional grantground will be used to fund the dDistrict aAcademies atof the various levels so that we create opportunities for our children to excel.


Further to that, we have a Ssport Ffocus Sschools, where we have the Minister’s Sport Bursary, where we enable the children and the talented we have identified to excel.


We are also rolling out the outdoor gyms in the country throughout the communities at the dDistricts enabling our children to have access there and to develop themselves.


Then of course the port for hange programme which previously mentioned in partnership with the German Development Bank, where we are really rolling out community sporting facilities for our children to excel on. It is with this in mind that we are driving daily the process of getting our children hon member to start from the same starting line eradicating the of the past and the legacy of apartheid. I thank you.


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Thank you hon Deputy Minister. Hon members, the time allocated for questions has expired. Outstanding replies received will be printed in Hansard.


















Dr G W KOORNHOF: Deputy Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House, I shall move on behalf of the ANC:


That the House debates the existing tariff structure for imports and exports in the context of South Africa’s capacity to compete with other international producers with similar products in existing markets, given our policies of industrialisation and an inclusive economy.












Mr M HLENGWA: Deputy Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House, I shall move on behalf of the IFP:


That the House debates the report by the South African Human Rights Commission titled: Poverty Traps and Social Exclusion among Children in South Africa.












Mr Y CASSIM: Deputy Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House, I shall move on behalf of the DA:


That the House debates the lack of contribution made by the Sector Education and Training Authorities, Setas, to skills development and job creation since their establishment.












Ms B J DLOMO: Deputy Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House, I shall move on behalf of the ANC:


That the House debates developing strategies to fight rampant gang violence and drug lords.










Mr G GARDEE: Deputy Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House, I shall move on behalf of the EFF:


That the House –


  1. debates the democratisation of Swaziland, and that South Africa has a moral and a political responsibility to stand with the poor and the oppressed against repressive regimes;


  1. acknowledges that the people of Swaziland are faced with a repressive monarchical regime which uses transition as its source of legitimacy;


  1. recalls that all opposition parties and their leaders are either banned or imprisoned in Swaziland;


(4) further recalls that while the monarch keeps on enjoying the best possible benefits that his office entitles him to, the people of Swaziland are on a daily basis suffering the most brutal forms of poverty and economic deprivation;


(5) remembers that the people of Swaziland stood side by side with the former liberation movement in the armed struggle against the racist apartheid regime;


(6) further remembers that many South African’s blood was spilled on the soil of Swaziland, such as victims of assassination like Portia Shabangu killed by Eugene de Kock on 12 February 1989;


(7) establishes an ad hoc committee to enquire into the extent to which South Africa’s silence on the lack of democracy in Swaziland exacerbates the suffering of the people of that country;


(8) investigates options for the purpose of a process that will lead to a speedy democratisation of Swaziland, including but not limited to blanket economic political and social sanctions as applied by the United Nations, UN, against South Africa during apartheid;


(9) exercises the powers outlined in the NA Rule 138 to enable the efficient performance of this task, consist of eleven (b) members as follows DA 3, EFF 2, and reports back to the House by 27 February 2015.

Mr S MNCWABE: Mr Deputy Speaker?


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Do you have a point of order, hon member?


Mr S MNCWABE: No, Deputy Speaker, I wanted you to assist me on what is going on because I was of the view that we were dealing with Notices of Motion not Motions without Notice or Statements, but it’s fine because the hon member is done now.


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon members, I will talk to this point a little later on.












Ms V VAN DYK: Deputy Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House, I shall move on behalf of the DA:


That the House debates the impact that increased cadre deployment and government interference has on media diversity, freedom of speech and freedom of the Press.











Mr J J MC GLUWA: Deputy Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House, I shall move on behalf of the DA:


That the House debates the quality of management practices of Public Service institutions and the impact it has on service delivery in South Africa.











Mr R M TSELI: Deputy Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House, I shall move on behalf of the ANC:


That the House debates the positive impact the ANC government policies have on the poor, of whom, according to the World Bank Report, more than 3,6 million have been lifted out of poverty, and that South African government has halved the number of poor people.










NKUL X MABASA: Mutshamaxitulu, ndza susumeta hi ku yimela vandal ra ANC leswaku eka tshamo wa Yindlu lowu nga ta landzela:


Yindlu yi njhekanjhekisana hi tindlela ta ku yi tiyisa ni ku yisa emahlweni nyimpi yak u lwa na xivumbeko xihi na xihi xa xihlawuhlawu lexi xi xungetaka vun’we bya vaaki ni ku aka rixaka. Ndza khensa, Mutshamaxitulu.



Mr X MABASA: Deputy Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House, I shall move on behalf of the ANC:


That the House debates strengthening and continuing the fight against any forms of discrimination which are threats to social cohesion and nation-building.














Ms L L VAN DER MERWE: Deputy Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House, I shall move on behalf of the IFP:


That the House debates government’s excessive red tape when it comes to our child adoption processes which has resulted in a drop in adoption rates nationwide.












Ms N V NQWENISO: Deputy Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House, I shall move on behalf of the EFF:


That the House debates the implementation of state-led massive and protected industrial development as the surest way of creating millions of sustainable jobs.








Mr J A ESTERHUIZEN: Deputy Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House, I shall move on behalf of the IFP:


That the House debates the unrealistically high number of mining licenses issued, the fraud and corruption that is rampant in connection with the issue of mining licenses, the number of mines left unattended and the lack of rehabilitation at our mines.











Prof N M KHUBISA: Deputy Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House, I shall move on behalf of the NFP:


That the House debates problems experienced by South African Airways, SAA, other parastatals and state entities in our country.











Mr S MNCWABE: Deputy Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House, I shall move on behalf of the NFP:


That the House debates the availability of Tourism Centres in various provinces in our country.











Nks M S KHAWULA: Sekela Sihlalo, nginika isaziso sokuthi ngosuku olulandelayo lokuhlala kweNdlu, ngizophakamisa:


Ukuthi iNdlu ikhulume ngobandlululo oluqhubeka eNingizimu Afrika ikakhulukazi eLimpopo naseNtshonalanga Kapa, lapho kusekhona ubandlululo ebantwini abamnyama ikakhulikazi ekusebenziseni izindlu zangasese, zibhalwe ukuthi abamnyama abangeni ngapha kodwa kungena abamhlophe kuphela. Ngiyabonga. [Ihlombe.]










Ms N P SONTI: Deputy Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House, I shall move on behalf of the EFF:


That the House debates the toxic effects of the collusion to engage in corruption, between senior politicians and the business elite, on our country’s economy and moral standing.










Ms M O MATSHOBA: Deputy Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House, I shall move on behalf of the ANC:


That the House debates accelerating change in improving the quality of life of all people with special attention to the needs of the youth, women and people with disabilities.











Mr H D KHOSA: Deputy Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House, I shall move on behalf of the ANC:


That the House debates the importance of initial teacher training and development and its overall impact on education roll-out in the country.










Mr N SINGH: Deputy Speaker, I hereby give notice that on the next sitting day of the House, I shall move on behalf of the IFP:


That the House debates the steps that should be implemented during the strike action in the emergency service sector.














The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon members, before we move on to Motions without Notice, it has been brought to my attention that members often walk around, even moving in front of the member who is addressing the House at the podium.


It is inappropriate to do so because it obstructs what should be happening properly in this House. Please, be careful not to do this.










(Draft Resolution)


Ms R M M LESOMA: Hon Deputy Speaker, I move without notice:


That the House—


  1. notes that the Manchester United legends will face their Orlando Pirates counterparts in an exhibition game to honour slain Pirates skipper, Senzo Meyiwa, on Saturday, 15 November 2014;


  1. further notes that the popular Manchester United legends, such as Paul Scholes, Louis Saha, Viv Anderson and South Africa’s Quinton Fortune, will be part of that game;


  1. acknowledges that the Meyiwa family will also benefit from some of the proceeds of the gala dinners and match ticket sales of the game; and


  1. congratulates those involved in organising this initiative and urges supporters to come in droves to give the players an extra edge on Saturday.


Agreed to.















(Draft Resolution)


Prof N M KHUBISA: Hon Deputy Speaker, I move without notice:


That the House—


  1. notes that small businesses, particularly those owned by women, have called for a school nutrition programme indaba;


  1. further notes that most of these women complain about late payments due to them, after rendering services and supplying schools;


  1. acknowledges that these late payments affect small businesses and cause conflict between suppliers and schools, and that this eventually affects learners; and


  1. emphasises the necessity of this school nutrition programme indaba as it will address a plethora of issues, including, but not limited to, the kind of food given to learners and the sanitary and health conditions under which the school nutrition programme is undertaken.


Agreed to.

















(Draft Resolution)


Ms H O MAXON: Hon Deputy Speaker, I move without notice:


That the House—


  1. notes that about 3 000 landless Nellmapius residents in Pretoria, have occupied the vacant piece of land along the N4 highway;


  1. acknowledges that the process of land redistribution is extremely slow and the ANC government has no plan nor an intention to redistribute land;


  1. further acknowledges that government failed in its commitment to redistribute 30% of land by 1999, and has since changed the goalpost, the National Development Plan, NDP;


  1. acknowledges that only 8% of land since 1994 has been redistributed at a huge cost to the fiscus;


  1. further notes that it will take at least 100 years to achieve the 30% at the current rate;


  1. condemns the use of violence by the police against the poor, defenceless and landless people who occupied the piece of land and vowed not to move;


  1. applauds the brave action by these residents and sees it as the reflection of failure by government in its inability to redistribute land; and


  1. acknowledges that the EFF land policy of expropriation without compensation for equal distribution is the only solution to the land question in the interest of the majority.


As there is an objection to the motion, the motion will be printed on the Order Paper as a notice of motion.
















(Draft Resolution)


Mr M WATERS: Hon Deputy Speaker, I move without notice:


That the House—


  1. notes that ATM Solutions recently installed fully operating solar powered ATMs at a number of sites in Mpumalanga;


  1. further notes that it is alleged that these are the first solar powered ATMs installed anywhere in South Africa;


  1. recognises that the ATMs have been specifically developed as a backup solution during power outages that can be operated uninterrupted, using only the power of the sun for seven full days;


  1. acknowledges that the company plans to install more of these green ATMs at sites across South Africa in the near future;


  1. also acknowledges that this news comes at the same time that the solar power, a global developer of solar power projects, announced that the 96 megawatt photovoltaic Jasper solar power project in the Northern Cape is fully operational;


  1. further recognises that the Jasper project will deliver 180 000 megawatt hours of renewable electricity annually; and


  1. congratulates both ATM Solutions and SolarReserve on their groundbreaking and environmentally friendly projects that will contribute to easing the load on our national power grid.


Agreed to.












(Draft Resolution)


Mr A G WHITEFIELD: Hon Deputy Speaker, I move without notice:


That this House—


  1. notes the collapse of Makana Local Municipality’s administration including its finances and infrastructure;


  1. further notes that Makana Local Municipality was placed under administration in September this year;


  1. recognises that no progress has been made in turning this municipality around;


  1. acknowledges that no real turnaround can take place in Makana, until the Kabuso forensic report is made public and corrupt officials are convicted; and


  1. conveys our message of support to the people of the Makana Local Municipality.


In the light of an objection to the motion it will be printed on the Order Paper as a notice of motion.
















(Draft Resolution)


Mr K Z MORAPELA: Hon Deputy Speaker, I move without notice:


That this House—


  1. notes that the ongoing Farlam Commission investigating the killing of striking miners in Marikana heard that the miners posed no threat to the Police Technical Response Team, on 16 August 2012;


  1. further notes that the commission heard that the killings were as a result of police using completely disproportionate force against striking miners who posed no threat to mining property, civilians or the police themselves;


  1. also notes that all miners were shot multiple times with fatal wound to their upper bodies;


  1. further notes that Lonmin, accused of engaging in base erosion and transfer pricing, is defended by the Deputy President, the hon Ramaphosa, who instigated the killing of workers while pretending to act as a responsible businessman.




The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Orde, hon member! [Interjections.] Hon members!


An HON MEMBER: Mr Deputy Speaker, on a point of order …


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon member, will you take your seat whilst I am addressing the hon member at the podium.


Hon member, a ruling was read here that even if you have a right to speak, but you have no right to cast aspersions on anybody, including a member of this House, unless you have a substantive motion. For that reason, what you are reading is out of order and I suggest you take your seat, sir.


Mr K Z MORAPELA: But the Deputy President was ... [Interjections.]


The SPEAKER: No, do not do that!


Mr K Z MORAPELA: ... involved in the Marikana commission!


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon member, take your seat! I have made a ruling here so take your seat!















 (Draft Resolution)


Mr A M MPONTSHANE: Hon Deputy Speaker, I move without notice:


That the House—


  1. notes the sad passing of Mr Mabalana Sibuyana, who passed away on 6 November 2014, in Nelspruit after a short illness;


  1. further notes that Mr Sibuyana, an IFP member from Limpopo, was a former member of the National Assembly from 2004 to 2009;


  1. acknowledges his contributions as a full member of the Portfolio Committee on Water Affairs and Forestry and as an alternate on the Portfolio Committees on Health and Social Development;


  1. recognises the immense contribution that Mr Sibuyana made to the struggle for freedom and democracy;


  1. commends his work in the fight for water delivery to the communities of Hoedspruit; and


  1. extends its sincere condolences to the family and colleagues of the late Mr Sibuyana.


Agreed to.














(Draft resolution)


Mr T E MULAUDZI: Hon Deputy Speaker, I rise on behalf of the EFF to move without notice:


That the House‑


  1. notes that a report by the  Socio-Economic Rights Institute of South Africa found that the criminal justice system was abused in order to intimidate activists and the protestors;


  1. futher notes the research report titled, An Anatomy of Dissent and Repression, which shows how community leaders are charged on little or no substantial evidence in order to suppress dissent;


  1. acknowledges the increased number of community protests as an indication that our people cannot wait any longer for basic services;


  1. condemns the use of state institutions like the police to intimidate the protests by incompetent politicians who have not delivered for the people;


  1. further notes that research by the Social Change Research Unit of the University of Johannesburg found that there has been a sharp increase in the number of people killed in protests;


  1. notes that a total of 43 protestors were killed by police between 2004 and 2014, excluding the 34 miners killed during the strike in Marikana in 2012, and seven people who were killed by police this year alone;


  1. condemns the use of violence by the police to kill our people whose only sin is to demand better services;


  1. reaffirms our commitment to protect the constitutional rights of all South Africans to protest, especially against greedy politicians.




The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Are you objecting? Please, do so. Hon members, I suggest that you speak out. Please don’t be shy about your views.




The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Yes, hon member, what is it?


The DEPUTY MINISTER OF JUSTICE AND CORRECTIONAL SERVICES: Mr S P MAKWETLA: If I may, hon Deputy Speaker, I want to register an objection to the motion that has just been read. [Interjections.]


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: That’s done, hon member.










(Draft Resolution)


Ms R M M LESOMA: Hon Deputy Speaker, on behalf of the Chief Whip of the Majority party, I rise to move without notice:


That the House‑


  1. notes that a former gardener hailing from the dusty streets of Phiritona, Heilbron in the Free State, Fusi Mokoena, was listed as one of the 27 national nominees for the Boss of the Year Award recently;


  1. further notes that Mokoena, now a general manager for Commercial Legal of MTN, heads and provides leadership to the mobile network’s legal department;


  1. acknowledges that although he did not make it to the semifinals of the top 15 bosses for the award, Mokoena remains inspirational to many South Africans;


  1. further acknowledges that this Boss of the Year nominee has come a long way from his first job as a young man, when he used to do garden work for other people to ensure that he had pocket money and could buy some necessities for himself; and


  1. congratulates Mokoena for raising the bar in his career and getting a nomination of this kind.


Agreed to















Mr P G MOTEKA: Hon Deputy Speaker, I rise on behalf of the EFF to move without notice:


That the House‑


  1. notes the ongoing racist violence against black people in this country, especially in the Western Cape;


  1. further notes the violence against 22-year-old Mahomed Makhungwa who was sjambokked by an unidentified white motorist while on his way to work and that he suffered head wounds and bruises to his body as a result;


  1. further acknowledges that thess are not isolated incidents against black people because just last month, a black domestic worker was beaten up because she was mistaken for a prostitute by a white man;


  1. condemns racism and racist violence against black people and encourages the police to find perpetrators so they can face the full might of the law;


  1. acknowledges the urgent need for the law to criminalise racism,


  1. further acknowledges the incident of the video that went viral, of a black man who defended himself against a visibly drunk racist;


  1. congratulates the model citizen with white shoes who defended himself after being called a kaffir; further ...




... welcomes the arrest of the alleged perpetrator and recommends that he be denied bail ...


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon member, just hold on. Let’s hear the point of order. What is the point of order about?


The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Deputy Speaker, I rise on Rule 63, which deals with the thing of language. There have been previous rulings in this House that the word which the hon member used is unparliamentary and should not be used in the House, and I ask him to withdraw it. [Interjections.]


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: What word are you specifically referring to?


The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: I am not going to repeat the word. [Interjections] It is a despicable word that has no place in our discourse. [Interjections.]


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: I am afraid I don’t know specifically which word. I will have to wait and read Hansard to respond to that.


Mr P G MOTEKA: I continue-


(8) encourages black people everywhere to reject white racism with every fibre in their bodies, like the model citizen who defended black dignity;


(9) acknowledges the need to criminalise racism and wishes Makhungwa a speedy recovery.


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon members, that concludes the ... [Interjections.] Hon members, if there are no objections, I put the motion.


The CHIEF WHIP OF THE OPPOSITION: Deputy Speaker, with that offensive word remaining in it, we object.


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: That means the motion falls away. Hon members, that brings us to the close ... Hon member? One more what, hon member? Where is the motion? Who is rising for the motion? Hon Mbatha, why are you shy?


In the light of the objection the motion will be printed on the Order Paper as a notice of motion.















Mr M S MBATHA: Hon Deputy Speaker, I rise on behalf of the EFF to move without notice:


That the House‑


  1. notes the Western Cape High Court ruling against the current SABC chairperson, Ms Ellen Tshabalala, finds that Ms Tshabalala misled Parliament and the Portfolio Committee on Communications. She misrepresented her qualifications not once but ... [Interjections] many times.


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon member, just hold on.


Mr M S MBATHA: May I just read and finish, Deputy Chair?


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: No, no. Hon member, let me explain to you why I am I am doing this. I haven’t done this to anybody so far, in the context in which I am going to do it.


Hon members, we have been advised in the ruling was made here earlier on that in matters like these, the appointments and removal of those people depend on this House’s approval. Not only that, the matter is likely to come before the House.


It is inappropriate for us to make any comments regarding that matter. That matter is before the Communications Portfolio Committee, so I suggest that you put that down, hon member.


Mr M S MBATHA: Deputy Speaker, it is clear she can’t find the certificate. [Interjections.]


The DEPUTY SPEAKER: Hon member, you are out of order.










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