DEPARTMENT’S RESPONSE TO COMMENTS ON THE CHILD JUSTICE BILL, 2002

 

 

Clause no./

Theme

Commentator

Response

Assessment

The Centre for Child Law (Dr Skelton) CJB 6

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Department of Social Development (UCT) CJB 8

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

US submission

CJB14

 

Child Justice Alliance CJB13

 

Childline CJB3

 

 

 

 

CSIR CJB7

 

Community Law Centre (UWC) CJB11

 

NICRO CJB17

 

SAHRC CJB19

RAPCAN CJB9

1.1  From an analysis of the sections in the Children’s Act, 2005 read together with the clauses in the Children’s Amendment Bill, 2006 the approach proposed in clause 35(b) is in line with the established practice in these pieces of legislation. 

  • The approach proposed in clause 35(b) is that if a child who is alleged to have committed an offence may be in need of care such child must be assessed by a probation officer to determine if this is indeed the situation and if so the child will be referred to a children’s court in terms of clause 51 or 64.
  • The approach followed in the Children’s Act, 2005 is similar in as far as it stipulates that if a child appears to be in need of care such child will then be referred for investigation to establish whether this is in actual fact the case.  See sections 29(7), 47(1), 68, 150-154 of the Act.  Section 68 deals with a situation where it comes to the attention of the clerk of the court that a child might be in need of care and such clerk can then refer the matter for investigation to determine if the child is in fact in need of care.  The Children’s Amendment Bill, 2006 goes even further in new clause 110 whereby any person who on reasonable grounds believes that a child is in need of care can report the matter for investigation.  It should also be mentioned that in terms of new clause 141 of the Children’s Amendment Bill, child labour also covers the situation where a child is used by an adult to commit a crime and in terms of the Children’s Act (section 150) a child who is a victim of child labour may be in need of care and must be referred to a social worker for an investigation to establish if this is the case.
  • In other words, on the mere appearance that a child might be in need of care a child is referred to a social worker to establish whether this is indeed the case.  The question therefore has to be asked if there is any difference in the approach between the existing position and the position proposed in the Bill. 

1.2  The Bill is primarily about children in conflict with the law.  It is not discounted that prevention is very important and necessary of child offending but the Child Justice Bill addresses the plight of children within the criminal justice system.  The Children’s Act, 2005, and other related statutes address socio-economic issues.  Traditionally the justice system for lack of other services, continues to be the only resort as opposed to the last resort in dealing with conflict.  This Bill can therefore only incorporate programmes at the tertiary level.  The current structure of the Bill in terms of which not all children are assessed, not all children go to preliminary inquiries and not all children qualify for diversion is the result of deliberations of the Committee.  The provisions of the 2007 Bill giving effect to this have been drafted at the request of the Committee.  When the Committee came to the conclusion it did in this regard, it argued that the principles of proportionality require this.  The Committee was also of the view, after hearing the views of roleplayers during the public hearings and roleplaying Departments particularly, that there simply was not the capacity at that stage to give effect to the Bill as it was introduced into Parliament. 

1.3  None of the presenters could clearly identify whom they had in mind to assist probation officers – i.e. who will be “other suitably qualified persons”?  It might be inappropriate to provide for such a vague provision in a Bill if it is not possible to give practical effect thereto.    

 

2.1  Consideration could be given to incorporating the definition in Probation Services Act, in order to align the two statutes and add “as contemplated in Chapter 5” to cover what may not be covered by the definition in the Probation Services Act. 

2.2  Again, it is not clear from discussions in the Committee precisely who would be well placed to assist.  No specific proposals in this regard were tabled.  Probation services is a specialised field, requiring certain expertise.  Probation officers are appointed in terms of the Probation Services Act, 1991, as officers of the court, tasked with conducting assessments, compiling assessment reports and presenting the reports in court. It will not serve the best interests of children to increase the pool with people lacking the required expertise.

2.3 See paragraph 1.2 above.   

2.4  Whether to assess a child or not is based largely on the type of offence committed and not on age.  Age is particularly relevant in the case of children under 10 years or in the case of children between 10 and 14 years. 

2.5  Comments on clauses 39 and 40 are unclear since the words “must”, which is prescriptive, is only used in reference to the child and his/her parents.   For the rest it refers to “may”.  It must also be noted that legal representation is not prohibited during assessment, if the probation officer agrees. (refer to response on legal representation)

 

3.1  See paragraph 1.2 above.

 

 

4.1  See paragraphs 2.1 and 2.2.  There should not be a multitude of definitions.

4.2  See paragraphs 1.2 and 2.4

 

5.1  See paragraphs 1.2 and 2.2         

5.2  See clause 38  which already encourages what the commentator is suggesting and these issues must, in terms of clause 38, in any event, be prescribed by regulation.

5.3  This is covered by clause 39(3)(d).

 

6.1  See paragraph 1.2

 

7.1  See paragraph 1.2

 

 

 

8.1  See paragraph 1.2

 

9.1  See paragraphs 1.2,  2.2 and 2.4

10.1  See paragraph 1.2

Preliminary inquiry

The Centre for Child Law (Dr Skelton) CJB 6

 

 

 

 

Community Law Centre CLC (UWC) CJB 11

 

RAPCAN CJB 9

 

 

 

Legal Aid Board CJB 22

 

1.1    According to the structure of the Bill preliminary inquiries will only apply to certain types of offences.  This is in line with the approach adopted in respect of assessments.  Children who are not assessed do not go to a preliminary inquiry but proceed directly to trial.  See paragraph 1.2 under assessment.  The primary purpose of the preliminary inquiry is to test suitability for diversion.  This is an example of the restorative justice system;  hence the concept of acknowledging  responsibility.  

1.2  Noted

 

2.1  It must also be noted that one of the purposes of the preliminary inquiry is to consider diversion.  Children who committed serious and violent offences may not be diverted.   It will serve no purpose then to allow that child to go through a preliminary inquiry.  See paragraph 1.2 under assessment.

 

3.1  Consideration could be given to stating the objects of a preliminary inquiry as in the 2002 Bill, although some of the original objects can be found in clauses 48 and 50 of the 2007 Bill.

3.2  See paragraph 1.1

 

4.1  Refer to response under clause 82 (paragraph 1.1).

4.2  See clause 50(4)(b). 

Diversion

The Centre for Child Law (Dr Skelton) CJB 6

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Childline CJB 3

 

 

 

 

 

Community Law Centre(UWC)  CJB 11

 

NICRO CJB 17

 

 

Legal Aid Board  CJB 22

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SAHRC CJB 19

 

 

 

 

 

RAPCAN CJB 9

 

 

Child Justice Alliance Driver CJB 13

 

 

 

1.1  According to the structure of the Bill diversion can only be considered in respect of certain less serious offences.  This is in line with the approach adopted in respect of assessments and preliminary inquiries.  Children who are not assessed do not go to a preliminary inquiry and cannot be considered for diversion, but proceed directly to trial.  See paragraph 1.2 under assessment.

The Bill is in line with international instruments regarding diversion:

(a)        Rule 11 of the United Nations Standards Minimum Rules for the Administration of Juvenile Justice (The Beijing        Rules) provides that “consideration shall be given,  where appropriate,  to dealing with juvenile offenders       without resorting to formal trial by a competent authority.  This is an indication that even international bodies     acknowledge that there will be instances where diversion will be inappropriate.   The seriousness of the offence is used as a determining factor to determine the appropriateness of diversion.

(b)        It is noted that the Committee on the Rights of a Child in its General Comment No 10 (2007) pointed out clearly       (para 13) that it is left to the discretion of the State Parties to decide on the exact nature and content of         measures for dealing with children in conflict with the law without resorting to judicial proceedings, and to take             the necessary legislative and other measures for their implementation.  In paragraph 12 the Committee states         that it is the Committee‘s opinion that  the obligation of States parties to promote measures for dealing with   children in conflict with the law without resorting to judicial proceedings applies with respect to children who             committed minor offences, although not limited to that.  

 

2.1  See paragraph 1.1 and response in respect of clause 57

2.2 The view is held that reasonable maximum periods have been set, namely 12 and 24 months:  see clause 58(4)(a) and (b))  Clause 58(4)(c) moreover allows diversion options of a longer period.  This is for level 1 diversion options.  Clause 58(6) determines even longer periods for level 2 diversions options.

2.3  See paragraph 2.1 and 2.2 under assessment.

 

3.1  See paragraph 1.1

 

 

 

4.1  See paragraph 1.1

4.2  See paragraph 2.2

 

5.1  Regarding the concern about the child acknowledging responsibility for the offence before diversion, it is argued that it would make no sense  to refer the child who has not acknowledged responsibility to a diversion programme as this will not benefit the child who does not acknowledge any wrongdoing.  It is also in line with General Comment No 10 (2007) which stipulates in paragraph 13 that “ Diversion should be used only when there is convincing evidence that the child committed the alleged offence, that she/he freely and voluntarily acknowledges responsibility and that no intimidation or pressure has been used to get that acknowledgement, and that the acknowledgement will not be used  in any subsequent legal proceeding”.  This Bill contains almost similar provisions in clause 50.  Reference is also made to the definition of “acknowledges responsibility” in clause 1 of the Bill which means acknowledging responsibility for the offence without a formal admission of guilt. 

 

6.1  The Department agrees that diversion should not be used or seen as a criminal record, but it is crucial to consider previous diversions when diversion is considered in order to identify the effect  (success or failure)  of the previous, if any  diversion programme and make an informed decision.  It must also be noted that the NPA’s Prosecuting Policy provides that offenders (including child offenders) with a criminal record and persons to whom the opportunity (of diversion) has been granted previously should only be included (in diversion) in exceptional circumstances.

 

7.1 and 7.2  See paragraph 1.1

7.3  See response under clause 57

 

8.1  The Department agrees that the power to institute and conduct criminal proceedings and to carry out any necessary function incidental to instituting and conducting criminal proceedings lies with the prosecuting authority (section 179(2) of the Constitution).   It must also be noted that the NPA Prosecuting Policy provides in Part 7 paragraph 3 that diversion is inappropriate where the charge is one of murder, robbery with aggravating circumstances, rape or any similar offences.    These are some of the offences listed in Part 1 of Schedule 3, which are not divertible.  It must also be noted that NPA’s Prosecuting Policy is done in consultation with the Minister of Justice and Constitutional Development.

Bifurcation

(age and offence differentiation)

The Centre for Child Law (Dr Skelton) CJB 6

 

 

 

 

Child Justice Alliance

 

RAPCAN CJB 9

1.1  The manner in which different children must be dealt with in terms of the Bill, giving rise to the so-called bifurcation, is in line with the Committee’s previous deliberations in terms of which children who commit serious offences do not qualify for diversion and therefore are not assessed and do not go to a preliminary inquiry, but go straight to trial.  This is a policy matter.   From CSPRI statistics it is clear that most of the sentenced children fall in the age category of 16 and 17 year olds and these are associated with more violent crimes.  It therefore follows to differentiate between these categories.   See also response under clause 78.  

 

2.1 and 2.2  This was a specific policy decision taken by both the Executive and Parliament – refer to the arguments under clause 78.  See paragraph 1.1 as well.

 

3.1  This age group is actually included in all clauses referred to, for instance:

Clause 83(1)(c) – does not exclude 16 -17 year olds.

Clause 85(1)- the Criminal Law (Sentencing) Amendment Act, 2007 – section 6 –  amended section 309 of the Criminal Procedure Ac, 1977  and 14 years  amended to 16 years  and 16 years – amended – 18 years  (covering the 16 year old and the 17 year old.)

Clause 86- as above

Clause 88- expungement depends on the offence and not the age- this does not exclude the 16 and 17 year olds.

See also paragraph 1.1

Age and criminal capacity

Prof Sloth-Nielsen (UWC) CJB 12

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Childline CJB 3, NICRO CJB 17, SASPCAN CJB 25, Heidi Sauls CJB 2, SAHRC CJB 19 & Southern African Catholic Bishops’ Conference CJB 21

1.1   The minimum age of 10 years was the recommendation of the SALRC after extensive research and consultations. In arriving at the recommendation the Commission took into consideration the diverse nature of South African society, differences in upbringing, maturity and development.   The Commission also took into consideration other factors that play a role in shaping the development of a child, such as culture, rural and urban environment and socio-economic and educational factors.  The Commission indicated in its Report that, during its research and consultation, there was significant support for setting the minimum age of criminal responsibility at 12 years but, on considering all the above factors, the Commission was convinced that the minimum age be set at 10 years.  The UN Committee on the Rights of the Child can merely make recommendations.  The opinion is held that we are not “in contravention of the CRC”, as indicated since the CRC does not prescribe what each States Party’s domestic law must be in this regard.  The Committee on the Rights of the Child merely encourages States Parties “to increase their low MACR to the age of 12 years as the absolute minimum age and to continue to increase it to a higher age level”.  The Committee on the Rights of the Child makes concluding observations in considering a state report.  These are not binding and it is up to the State Party to determine its national policies in this regard.  Raising the age to 12 years will increase the risk of children being used by adults to commit crimes.  Children will be more susceptible to being used by adults if the age is raised.  The Departments are putting in place indicators to identify children who are used by adults to commit crimes.

1.2   It is noted that the UN Committee on the Rights of a Child,  in its concluding observations in 2007, noted that SA has, through its draft legislation (2002 Bill) increased the age of criminal responsibility from 7 to 10 years, but recommended that South Africa should consider increasing the age of criminal responsibility from 10 years.    It must be noted that these are recommendations made by an international body.  See also paragraph 1.1.

1.3  See paragraph 1.1

1.4  See paragraph 1.1

1.5  The term “criminal capacity” has been used to date, even in the 2002 Bill.  Consideration could be given to adapting the Bill, if the Committee agrees.

 

2.1, 3.1, 4.1, 5.1, 6.1 and 7.1  See paragraph 1.1

 

6.2  Children under 10 years do not get arrested and are not brought to court.  The proposal of the SAHRC that children between 10 and 14 years be treated as children under 10 years would be difficult to implement in practice.  See also paragraph 1.1   

Preamble

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

 

CSIR  CJB 6

1.1  The proposal possibly has merit .

 

 

 

2.1  The elements in the proposed addition to the Preamble are already addressed in the Preamble         

Clause 1

Restorative Justice Centre CJB 4

 

 

 

Catholic Institute of Education CJB

 18

 

 

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

 

SAHRC CJB 19

 

 

Childline CJB 3

 

 

Legal Aid Board CJB 22

1.1  Definition of “restorative justice”:  In the deliberations of the Committee during the public hearings on this submission it was pointed that the definition in the Bill is wide enough, covering the elements in the proposal of the Restorative Justice Centre.  Since there are no definitions in legislation in other countries to refer to, it is suggested that the definition in the Bill be retained, especially in the light of the clause 58(7), which envisages a wide range of restorative justice options.  The proposed definition is too long and is not appropriate as a definition in legislation.  In the alternative:  WE can amend the definition to read “restorative justice” means the promotion of reconciliation, restitution and responsibility through the involvement of all interested parties”.

 

2.1   The definitions will be aligned to the Children’s Act.  The definition of “child” in clause 1 refers to clause 4, which, in turn, includes all the categories of children referred to by the Catholic Institute of Education, except the category of children aged between 16 and 18 years.  It is not necessary to refer to this category specifically here.  It is covered in the category of children between 14 and 18 years. 

 

3.1  The Committee may consider deleting the phrase “and has a prior relationship of responsibility towards the child”.

3.2  See paragraph 1.1

 

4.1  See paragraph 2.1.  The term “lock-up” is used elsewhere in legislation, eg Correctional Services Act, 1998, but is not defined.   Definition of police cell in clause 1 spells out what a lock-up is.

 

5.1  The term “lock-up” is used elsewhere in legislation, eg Correctional Services Act, 1998, but is not defined.  Definition of police cell in clause 1 spells out what a lock-up is.

 

6.1  The Legal Aid Board does not seem to understand that children between the ages of 18 and 21 could be dealt with differently by the Bill.  The SALRC in its Report (on page 26) explained the exception with regard to the application of the Bill to 21 year olds as follows:  “The Commission proposes limited exceptions to the general rule (that the Bill only apply to children below 18 years of age), and details three instances…The most significant of these are instances where, in the discretion of the Director of Public Prosecutions, a person’s individual circumstances are such that such person would benefit from the protections contained in this Bill, and where several persons are co-accused of the same offence while the majority of them are below the age of 18 years.  The exceptions apply only if the accused person in respect of whom the extended jurisdiction is sought is below the age of 21 years.  The provisions have been included in order to provide more flexibility to the prosecution.  There may well be occasions where a person who has just attained the age of 18 years, is still attending school, and could benefit from the diversionary procedures spelt out in the Bill.  Similarly, where a group of children is alleged to have committed the same offence, it may be artificial to separate the cases of one or two who are slightly older from those of their contemporaries”.  This response also covers the Legal Aid Board’s concerns regarding the definition of “child”.  Furthermore the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child in its general comments No 10 (2007) in paragraph 21, states as follows:

            “The Committee notes with appreciation that some States Parties allow the application of the rules and         regulations of juvenile justice to persons aged 18 and older.”.

6.2  This is a definition for “appropriate adult” not just person, but maybe the word “adult” could be inserted in the definition although it is self explanatory.

6.3  Refer to the response under paragraph 6.1 -  if this definition is used as suggested by the Legal Aid Board then it will exclude the under 10 year olds who even though they do not have criminal capacity in terms of the Bill will be dealt with under the Bill. 

Clause 3

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

 

 

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1  The proposal seems to introduce the notion of “respect “ for cultural values and beliefs”.  Determination of cultural values is a question of evidence and the discretion of the court.

1.2  Consideration could be given to the following wording, which is similar to the wording in section 35(3)(d) of the Constitution:  “All procedures in terms of this Act should be conducted and concluded without  unreasonable delay”.  

 

2.1  Guiding principles are there to guide persons responsible for the application of the law.  By their nature they should not be mandatory.  They are guiding principles;  not directives.  Clause 3(f) of the 2007 Bill presupposes contact with family members.  The Bill is primarily about children in trouble with the law.  Notwithstanding this there are clauses later in the Bill which deal with the social needs of children, eg clauses 51 and 64

2.2 &2.3  Clause 3(a) of the 2007 Bill deals with proportionality.  Consideration could be given to including the concept that children may not be treated more severely than an adult in the same circumstances.  Clause 3(2) of the 2002 Bill deals with a specific aspect of the Bill.  The guiding principles should deal with overarching aspects.  Clause 21 of the 2007 Bill, in any event, deals with sets out the approach to be followed when considering release or detention.

Clause 5

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1   The best interests of the child is an integral part of the Bill.  One of the objects of the Bill as provided for in clause 2(a) of the Bill is to protect the rights of children as contemplated in the Constitution (section 28).  Section 28 (2)   provides that the best interests of the child are paramount.   It is noted that the commentator based his argument on Article 3 item 1 of CRC –   which provides that in all actions concerning children, whether undertaken by public or private social welfare institutions, courts of law, administrative authorities or legislative bodies, the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration.  It must also be noted that the UN Committee on the Rights of a Child noted in its General Comment No.10 (2007) [para 10, page 6 – Interventions] that it is necessary to develop and implement a wide range of effective measures to ensure that children are dealt with in a manner appropriate to their well-being and proportionate both to their circumstances and the offence.  Again, in paragraph 25 the Committee emphasised the proportion not only to the circumstances and the gravity of the offence, but also to the age, lesser culpability, circumstances and needs of the child, as well as various, and in particular, long term needs of society/public safety.   It should also be borne in mind that another object of the Bill, as set out in clause 2(b)(ii), is to promote the spirit of ubuntu in the child justice system through reinforcing children’s respect for human rights and the fundamental freedoms of others by holding children accountable for their actions and safe-guarding the interests of the victims and the community.  Furthermore, clause 3(a), one of the guiding principles provides that all consequences arising from the commission of an offence by a child should be proportionate to the nature of the offence. 

 

2.1  The approach adopted in clause 5 is related directly to the overall scheme of the Bill in terms of which children who have committed serious crimes go directly to court for trial.  This is what the Portfolio Committee decided.

Clause 6

Prof Sloth-Nielsen (UWC) CJB 12

 

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

 

Legal Aid Board CJB 22

1.1   Noted

1.2   Clause  9 should be inserted in clause 6(2) 

 

 

2.1  Noted. 

 

 

 

3.1  Clause 6(2) is not repealing but amending the common law to the extent that it changes the age of criminal capacity from 7 to 10 years.  The reference in clause 6(2) to “children below 10 years” should be to “children below seven years”.  Clause 6(2) should also refer to clause 9. 

3.2  Clause 6(1):  The fact that the child committed an offence is not the issue in question.  What is of importance is the fact that because the child is below the age of criminal capacity he or she will not be prosecuted for the offence.  The opinion is held that clause 6(1) should remain unchanged.  It seems incorrect to follow the approach in terms of which the act which constitutes the offence will be referred to as “an act which would otherwise constitute a criminal offence in law”. 

Clause 7

Prof Sloth-Nielsen (UWC) CJB 12

 

 

 

 

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

 

SAHRC

 

 

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

 

Childline CJB 3

 

 

Legal Aid Board CBJ 22

1.1 The proposal regarding the amendment of clause 7(3)(b) should be considered.

1.2 The meeting envisaged in this provision was specifically aimed at a child in this age category that has committed an act with serious consequences and to limit such meetings to these instances.  This meeting is to be arranged at the instigation of the probation officer and it would be up to him or her to decide if the circumstances call for such a meeting. 

1.3  It is important for the court to play an oversight role.  The could be instances, for example, where the court might not agree with the decision of the probation officer or where the probation officer decides to take no action. 

 

2.1 This should be an option available to probation officer, depending on the findings of the assessment.  The requirement that the decision of the probation officer must be made an order of court as contemplated in clause 7(7) will address any failure by a probation officer to carry out his or her duties properly. 

 

3.1   The heading is not misleading:  the bulk of the clause deals with what is provided in the heading.  There are many instances in other statutes where this is the case.

 

4.1  See paragraph 2.2 under assessment.  The Committee has already heard evidence to the effect that the Department of Social Development is not planning to use “other suitable persons”.

 

5.1  Clause 7(1) already requires a police official to take the child home immediately after arrest.  The 48 hours extension is there to provide flexibility for practicalities which undoubtedly exist.

 

6.1  The actions prescribed under clause 7(3)(a) should be read within the context of paragraph (b) which makes it clear that any actions under paragraph (a) may not require a child to be held responsible in any way for the incident that led to the assessment.  An assessment is not a trial and the consequences thereof are to help the child and not to punish the child.  The Committee might also remember Prof Terblanche’s submission in which he indicated that even if children do not have criminal capacity, they often need assistance in some form or another to address the delinquent behaviour.

Clause 9

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

 

Legal Aid Board CJB 22

 

SAHRC CJB 19

1.1  The Alliance’s proposal could be considered. 

 

 

2.1  See paragraph 3.2 under clause 6.

 

 

3.1  SAHRC would seem to be raising the same concern expressed by the Child Justice Alliance under paragraph 1.1.  Clause 9(2) does not deal with an inquiry about criminal capacity.

Clause 10

Prof Sloth-Nielsen (UWC) CJB 12

 

 

 

 

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

 

 

 

Childline CJB 3

 

 

Legal Aid Board CJB 22

1.1 & 1.2 Clause 10(2) does not only provide that the assessment report of the probation officer should be taken into account to determine criminal capacity.  It also states “and all evidence placed before it prior to diversion or conviction, as the case may be, which evidence may include a report of evaluation referred to in subsection (3)”.  The 2002 Bill, clause 5 read with clause 56 does not seem to provide for compulsory evaluations, as alleged.  It would seem as if the 2007 Bill broadly retains the principles of the 2002 Bill in this regard.  Resource constraints must always be borne in mind. 

 

2.1  See paragraphs 1.1 and 1.2.  Clause 95(4) requires the Minister for Justice and Constitutional Development to make regulations determining the persons who are competent to do the evaluation of criminal capacity of children contemplated in clause 10(3) and to determine allowances and remuneration of such persons.  If the court orders such an evaluation as set out in clause 10(3), the State must pay. 

 

3.1  See paragraphs 1.1 and 1.2

3.2  The proposal could be considered.

 

4.1  The proposal Could be considered. 

4.2  See paragraph 6.1 under clause 7 

Clause 11

The Centre for Child Law (Dr Skelton) CJB 6

 

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

 

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1. The manner in which different children must be dealt with in terms of the Bill, which is spelt out in clause 11, is in line with the Committee’s previous deliberations in terms of which children who commit serious offences do not qualify for diversion and therefore are not assessed and do not go to a preliminary inquiry, but go straight to trial. 

 

2.1  See comments under paragraph 2.1 in respect of clause 1.

 

 

 

3.1  See paragraph 1.1 

Clause 13

Legal Aid Board CJB 22

1.1  This is already covered by clause 13(3) in which provision is made for any relevant documentation to be submitted together with the age estimation to serve as motivation for making a determination on the latter.  The proposal could be considered. 

1.2  This could be considered.

Clause 16

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

 

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1 Paragraph (c) should probably refer to 14-18 year olds (10-14 year olds already covered by (4)(iii) above).

 

 

 

2.1  There are some provisions in the Bill which have consequences as far as age is concerned.  The example the Alliance is using is a necessary consequence thereof.  There are other examples in the Bill of such instances.  A person who is one day into his or her 18 th year will probably lose the protection measures contained in the Bill for children or a person who just turns 10 years old and commits an offence, will lose the protection measures for children under 10 years. 

2.2  We agree with the comment.

2.3  Noted. 

Clause 17

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

1. 1 This is not necessary since clause 4 makes it clear that only Part 2 of Chapter 2  applies to children under the age of 10 years.  In terms of clause 6 a child below the age of 10 years may not be prosecuted, therefore may not be arrested.

Clause 18

SAHRC CJB 19

 

 

 

 

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1 There are enough safeguards built into the Bill to ensure police officials comply with the Bill.  Clause 95, for instance, requires the National Commissioner of SAPS to issue national instructions regarding clause 18.  Failure by police officials to comply with National Instructions is subject to sanction.   Consideration could, however, be given to this proposal of the SAHRC.

 

2.1  The opinion is held that it is useful to have paragraph (b).  It does no harm.  There could very well be other compelling reasons justifying the arrest.

2.2  The phrase is necessary to allow for practicalities.  Consideration could, however, be given to requiring a police official to submit a report to court if he or she does not notify the parents, as is done in the case of informing the probation officer as contemplated in clause 18(4)b).

Clause 19

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

1.1    The clause clearly provides that serving a summons on a child alone must be used as a measure of last resort, in exceptional circumstances.  It also provides that “a copy of the summons must, as soon as circumstances permit, be served on the parent or appropriate adult, each acknowledging service thereof by way of signature”.  Police officials are also required to explain the process to the child.  The South African Police Service also seem to have a problem with service on a person under the age of 16 years.

Clause 26

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

 

 

 

SAHRC CJB 19

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1  Clause 26 does not deal with the issues raised by the Catholic Institute of Education. Clause 34(2)(b) and (c) deal with the transportation of children, requiring them to be transported separately from adults, “if reasonably possible”.  This provision is based on resource and feasibility constraints in practice.  In the Northern Cape, for instance, children sometimes need to be transported over long distances.  It is suggested that an input be requested from SAPS in this regard.

 

2.1 It is not clear how clauses 26 and 28 alter the 48 hours time limit established by current law.  The Bill does not change this.  Clause 95(1) envisages regulations relating, among others, to intersectoral structures to monitor and assess the proper application of and compliance with the Bill.  Matters that will be monitored include issues such as the  provision of services to children in detention awaiting trial.  Information/data is also required to be kept on children awaiting trial.  These provisions could be used to address the concerns of the SAHRC in this regard, possibly by expanding on the enabling provisions in clause 95, if necessary.  It is suggested that the roleplaying Departments respond to this comment.

2.2  See paragraph 2.1.  It is suggested that the roleplaying Departments respond to this comment.

 

3.1  This could be considered.

3.2  Regarding the Alliance’s concern that children should not be kept in prison before their first appearance in court, clause 27 allows for detention in prison in the case of Schedule 3 offences.  This was done on the basis of calls in the past for children to be kept out of police cells as far as possible.  Regarding the Alliance’s concern that children under 14 years awaiting trial should not be kept in prison at all, see our comments under clause 30.

Clause 27

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

 

 

 

 

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1  Part I (clauses 21 – 26) of Chapter 4 deals with release of children and provides a number of options to release a child before first appearance.  Clause 24 (3) in particular states that the presiding officer must consider the best interests of the child.  This is in line with commentator’s submission that the child should be in the custody of the parents or appropriate adult before his or her first appearance.   It is only after all the options provided in clauses 21 – 26 have proved unsuccessful that clause 27 will apply.  Clause 27 also takes into account the best interests of the child by trying to ensure that the child is detained in a facility close to the court, which will in most cases, be close to the child’s parents.

 

2.1  Regarding the Alliance’s concern that children should not be kept in prison before their first appearance in court, clause 27 allows for detention in prison in the case of Schedule 3 offences.  This was done on the basis of calls in the past for children to be kept out of police cells as far as possible.  Regarding the proposed amendment of the Alliance, it must be borne in mind that clause 27(b) deals with children who have committed serious and often violent Schedule 3 offences.  The Committee is reminded what Mr Bloem of the Portfolio Committee on Correctional Services informed the Portfolio Committee of his personal experiences with the lack of adequate security at secure care facilities which are being suggested as places of detention by the Alliance for this category of offenders.  It should also be borne in mind that children who have committed less serious offences and who are in secure care facilities will then be exposed to persons who have committed serious and violent crimes.   

Clause 28

CSPRI CJB 10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Childline CJB  3

 

SAHRC  CJB 19

 

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1  Noted

1.2  Clause 95(1) envisages regulations relating, among others, to intersectoral structures to monitor and assess the proper application of and compliance with the Bill.  Matters that will be monitored include issues such as the provision of services to children in detention awaiting trial.  Information/data is also required to be kept on children awaiting trial.  These provisions could be used to address the concerns of the SAHRC in this regard, possibly by expanding on the enabling provisions in clause 95, if necessary.

1.3 With regard to proposed clause 28(2)(d)(i) and (ii), concern is expressed about the practical effect of such an arrangement.. Such an arrangement could mean that a child will be kept at a police cell which is much further from his/her parents or family.  In terms of clause 28(3) and (4) the station commissioner must already keep a register that may be examined by such persons as may be prescribed and this measure will, to some extent, address what the Child Justice Alliance is attempting to do.  See also paragraph 1.2 above.

 

2.1  This is a matter for a policy decision and could have significant resource implications.  

 

3.1  See paragraph 2.1

 

4.1  Clause 28 does not deal with placement of children in prisons.  Clause 27 does.  Clause 27 allows for detention in prison in the case of Schedule 3 offences.  This was done on the basis of calls in the past for children to be kept out of police cells as far as possible.  The CJA’s proposal regarding the amendment of clause 28(1)(d) should be dealt with by SAPS.  It could be argued that clause 28(1)(d), with the words, “cared for in a manner consistent with the special needs of children” already takes care of what CJA is concerned about.   Clause 95(6)(a)(vI) also provides that the National Commissioner of SAPS must issue national instructions regulating all aspects relating to the  treatment and conditions of children while in detention.

4.2  This could be considered.

Clause 30

CSPRI CJB 10

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

Community Law Centre (UWC) CJB 11

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 2.1, 3.1 and 4.1:  Section 29 of the Correctional Services Act, 1959, only applies to unconvicted young persons and in this regard provides that an unconvicted person under the age of 14 years may not  be detained in a prison or police cell or lock-up, unless he or she is brought before a court within a period not exceeding 24 hours or if the child is between 14 and 18 years he or she may only be detained for up to 48 hours and only if such detention is necessary and in the interests of justice and the person cannot be placed in the care of his/her parent or guardian or any other suitable person or any place of safety as defined in section 1 of the Child Care Act. 

  • The Correctional Services White Paper, as pointed out by the commentator, recommended that no child under the age of 14 should be kept in correctional centres.
  • The Bill proposes the repeal of section 29 of the 1959 Act.  The Bill will regulate the placement of unconvicted children in a prison under clause 30.  Clause 30, however, adds a number of additional protective measures which are not in section 29 of the 1959 Act.  For instance, detention in a prison may only be ordered if a child is accused of committing a Schedule 3 offence, if such detention is necessary in the interests of the administration of justice or the safety or protection of the public or such child or if there and if there is a likelihood that the child, on conviction, could be sentenced to imprisonment.  Furthermore, in terms of clause 30(2) in as far as it pertains to the detention of a child who is at least 10 years old but under the age of 14, the DPP or a prosecutor authorised by him/her in writing must issue a written confirmation that he or she intends charging the child with an offence referred to in Part I or II of Schedule 3 and stating that there is sufficient evidence to institute a prosecution against the child.  Clause 30(3) goes even further by requiring the presiding officer to consider recommendations of the probation officer regarding placement and any other evidence placed before him/her, including the best interests of the child, and whether the child can be placed in a secure care facility with appropriate level of security, among others. The presiding officer must also record his or her reasons for detention of the child in prison.  (It is a measure of last resort, bearing in mind that Part I of this Chapter encourages the release of children in the first place). These are more detailed safeguards than currently set out in section 29 of the 1959 Act and it should be borne in mind that Mr Bloem of the Portfolio Committee on Correctional Service informed the Portfolio Committee of his personal experiences with the lack of adequate security at secure care facilities, which is described as the desired place of detention by the commentator for children under the age of 16 years. 
  • The Committee asked about the average age of children who could be imprisoned in other countries:  Australia –Northern Territory above 15 years;  Canada – under 16 years could get life sentence with a number of years suspended – children aged 14 years and above can receive an adult sentence; UK  - Children, aged 10 to 17 years can be sent to prison by the Crown Court for serious offences (for which an adult would receive a sentence of 14 years or more) under section 90 and 91 of Powers of Criminal Courts (Sentencing) Act (2000).  Section 90 deals with murder and section 91 deals with other ‘grave crimes.

 

Clause 31

Heidi Sauls  CJB 2

 

SAHRC  CJB 19

 

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1 The Department of Social Development is best placed to respond to this.

 

 

2.1 This could be considered.

 

3.1  As stated above under clause 27, where the Alliance raised this argument, it must be borne in mind that clause 27(b) deals with children who have committed serious and often violent Schedule 3 offences.  The Committee is reminded what Mr Bloem of the Portfolio Committee on Correctional Services informed the Portfolio Committee of his personal experiences with the lack of adequate security at secure care facilities which are being suggested as places of detention by the Alliance for this category of offenders.  It should also be borne in mind that children who have committed less serious offences and who are in secure care facilities will then be exposed to persons who have committed serious and violent crimes.   

Clause 34

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

Heidi Sauls CJB 2

SAHRC CJB 19

Southern African Catholic Bishops’ Conference CJB 21

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1,  2.1, 3.1, 4.1 & 5.1:  This provision is based on resource and feasibility constraints in practice.  In the Northern Cape, for instance, children sometimes need to be transported over long distances.  It is suggested that an input be requested from SAPS in this regard, that is relating to the transport of children.  The issue of conditions at police cells is dealt with in clause 96(6)(a)(vi)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Clause 35

The Centre for Child Law (Dr Skelton) CJB 6

RAPCAN CJB 9

1.1 & 2.1 & 3.1: This issue is addressed earlier under assessment. According to the structure of the Bill diversion can only be considered in respect of certain less serious offences.  This is in line with the approach adopted in respect of assessments and preliminary inquiries.  Children who are not assessed do not go to a preliminary inquiry and cannot be considered for diversion, but proceed directly to trial.  See also paragraph 2.1 under assessment.  

Clause 36

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1  Clause 36(g) is important and should not be deleted.  The probation officer can assist in examining the factors referred to in clause 9(1)(b).  The Bill also makes provision for a further evaluation by an expert, if necessary.  Paragraph (g) of clause 36, as proposed by the Alliance is already captured in clause 36(h).

Clause 39

Child Justice Alliance  CJB 13

 

 

Legal Aid Board CJB 22

1.1  It is not clear how clause 39 could be prescriptive.  It determines that the probation officer may allow any other person to attend. Clause 39(1)(d) covers the concern raised by the commentator. 

1.2  This could be considered.

 

2.1  This is an implementation issue 

Clause 40

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

1.1  Clause 40(5):  Noted – (Article 3 of CRC – the best interests of the child are paramount). This is a matter the Committee could consider.

1.2  Clause 40(6):  The opinion is held that the wording is adequate:  must encourage”

Clause 41

SAHRC  CJB 19

 

 

 

 

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1  Clause 41 (2)  - The provision is aimed at preventing children from being kept in custody for long periods because of unavailability of space/accommodation in a facility and the level of security to enable the presiding officer to make an informed decision.  There was strong support for this provision in the Committee.  Court officials need confirmation in writing and under oath on which to make informed decisions.  This is also a method to hold functionaries accountable.

 

2.1  See paragraph 1.1 under clause 36.  The Committee felt strongly that a sworn affidavit by the person responsible for the management of the facility is necessary to ensure availability of accommodation.

Clause 42

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1  This could be considered but should be reworded as follows:

            “and the reasons for the dispensing with the assessment must be recorded by the magistrate when the matter is     referred to him or her in terms of section 43.”.

1.2  The issue is about whether to divert or not.  We suggest that the provision remain the same.

Clause 44

The Centre for Child Law (Dr Skelton) CJB 6

 

 

SAHRC CJB 19

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1 This issue is addressed earlier under preliminary inquiries.  According to the structure of the Bill diversion can only be considered in respect of certain less serious offences.  This is in line with the approach adopted in respect of assessments and preliminary inquiries.  Children who are not assessed do not go to a preliminary inquiry and cannot be considered for diversion, but proceed directly to trial. 

 

2.1 & 3.1:   Consideration could be given to stating the objects of a preliminary inquiry as in the 2002 Bill, although some of the original objects can be found in clauses 48 and 50 of the 2007 Bill.

 

Clause 45

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1  This was discussed in the Portfolio Committee on 11 March 2007 and the drafters were requested to revisit the provision, along the lines suggested by the Alliance. 

Clause 46

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1  Section 153(4) of the Criminal Procedure Act, 1977, provides for in camera proceedings where the accused person is below 18 years.  It is being repealed by the Bill.  Clause 45 of the Bill, dealing with persons who may attend the preliminary inquiry, in effect, makes provision for in camera proceedings in the case of a preliminary inquiry.

Clause 48

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

1.1 Refer to clause 40 above.  This is a matter the Committee could consider. 

Clause 49

SAHRC  CJB 19

 

 

 

 

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1  Clause 49(2) makes it  clear that if the matter is not concluded after two 48 hours postponements the matter is set down for trial, unless the postponement is for a confession or admission, or for a further assessment, in which case a further postponement may not exceed 14 days.  Diversion may still be considered during the trial stage in terms of clause 68, depending on the offence.

 

2.1 Opening up the provision to allow any person to request a detailed report could lead to abuse and slow the process down.  The probation officer is best placed to make the recommendation.  Setting out the grounds for such a postponement, as suggested by the Alliance, might limit the discretion of the presiding officer in this regard.  The Bill should not prescribe where such an assessment should take place.  Clause 38 provides that the “first assessment” must take place in any suitable place identified by the probation officer.  If the place of the detailed assessment is to be regulated, it is suggested that the provision be similar to clause 38. 

Clause 50

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1 The reference to clause 11(c) is in line with the present structure of the Bill in terms of which only certain crimes can be diverted.  The proposal of the Alliance in respect of paragraph (d) is exactly the same wording as in the Bill.

Clause 51

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1 Noted.

Clauses 52 & 53

Child Justice Alliance Driver Group CJB 13

1.1  The contents of clause 44 of the 2002 Bill are to be found in clause 50(1) of the 2007 Bill.  There is nothing in clause 53 which treats diversion as a previous conviction.

Clause 54

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Department of Social Development (UCT) CJB 8

 

SAHRC CJB 19

 

 

 

 

 

Child Justice Alliance Driver Group  CJB 13

1.1  The comments of the Institute were dealt with at the time of the public hearings.  It was explained that all diversion programmes contemplated in clause 57, that is diversion programmes for children under 14 years who are diverted for certain less serious sexual offences, must be tabled in Parliament for approval, before they are accredited by the Department of Social Development.  Tabling is not the same as introducing a Bill in Parliament.  The diversion programme is merely tabled for Parliament to consider, approve, amend or reject.  It is not the same as introducing a Bill in Parliament.  It is important for Parliament to play a role as suggested in the Bill to ensure that all these particular diversion programmes are meaningful and comply with the minimum standards set out in the Bill.  Parliamentarians represent the people and should ensure that these diversion programmes are appropriate, adequate and comply with the relevant requirements.

 

2.1  It is imperative that other role players listed in clause 54(2)(b)(i) should have access to the register in order to enable them to make informed decisions.  Access to the register will be determined in the regulations at a later stage.

 

 

 

3.1  Diversion programmes in terms of the Bill will be drafted by experts in the field and will then be submitted to Parliament.  Engagement between Parliament and the authors of the planned diversion programme can occur should this be necessary.  The Committee felt strongly that the details contained in the clause are necessary if diversion is to be successful;  hence the detail.  The Committee also felt strongly that Parliament should have particular oversight in respect of diversion programmes for sexual offenders.  

 

4.1 It is important to have the details contained in clause 54(2) to (4) in primary legislation rather than in secondary legislation.  These provisions establish a broad legislative framework for the provision and accreditation of diversion programmes.  Clause 54 does defer some matters to be dealt with in the regulations.  Two months should be sufficient time for applications to be submitted.  The input of the Department of Social Development in this regard might indicate otherwise.  On access to the register of children who have been diverted, see paragraph 2.1

Clause 55

Child Justice Alliance Driver Group  CJB 13

1.1  There might be duplication, as indicated by the Alliance but it does not do any harm.  As already indicated above, the Committee felt strongly that diversion programmes contemplated in clause 57 need to be dealt with very specifically, in this case, to ensure that the principle of proportionality is considered properly.  The best interests of the child also play a role in this test of proportionality. 

Clause 57

The Centre for Child Law (Dr Skelton) CJB 6

 

 

 

 

 

SAHRC CJB 19

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Child Justice Alliance Driver Group CJB 13

1.1  The Committee created clause 57, as an exception, because it felt that provision should be made for young children who commit certain serious sexual offences.  The Committee, however, felt strongly that this exception must be properly managed and monitored to ensure that children who diverted in these cases, undergo adequate corrections and are subject to meaningful diversion programmes, which are appropriate and comply with the minimum norms and standards;  hence the Committee’s proposal that only Level 2 diversion programmes contemplated in section 58(5) which Parliament has approved may be used in these cases.  In similar vein, the Committee proposed that the NDPP must issue directives setting out the circumstances in which such matter might be diverted.

 

2.1  Regarding the argument that this clause limits the discretion of the prosecutor as dominus litis to decide whether a case can be diverted or not, the following:

(i)         Reference is made in this regard to the judgment of the Constitutional Court of Dodo vs The State.  Although this case revolved around sentences and role of the judiciary, the legislature and the executive, and the issue under discussion revolves around diversion and the role between the legislature and the executive, the following extracts of the Dodo judgment might be reflected on:

            “There is under our Constitution no absolute separation of power between the judicial function, on the one hand,            and the legislative and executive on the other.  When the nature and process of punishment is considered in its    totality, it is apparent that all three branches of the state play a functional role and must necessarily do so.  It             is pre-eminently the function of the legislature to determine what conduct should be criminalised and punished.    

            Both the legislature and executive share an interest in the punishment to be imposed by courts, both in regard to        its nature and its severity.  They have a general interest in sentencing policy, penology and the extent to which      correctional institutions are used to further the various objectives of punishment.

 

            The executive and legislative branches of state have a very real interest in the severity of sentences.  The         executive has a general obligation to ensure that law-abiding persons are protected, if needs be through the      criminal laws, from persons who are bent on breaking the law.  This obligation weighs particularly heavily in regard to crimes of violence against bodily integrity and increases with the severity of the crime.

 

            In order to discharge this obligation, which is an integral part of constitutionalism, the executive and legislative        branches must have the power under the Constitution to carry out these obligations.  They must have the power,    through legislative means, of ensuring that sufficiently severe penalties are imposed on dangerous criminals in    order to protect society.”.

 

(ii)         It should also be noted that the NPA’s prosecution policy and directives are issued by the NDPP with the concurrence of the Cabinet member responsible for the administration of justice.  These directives already state that the diversion of certain serious offences is inappropriate.

 

(iii)          The international instruments are also relevant. Article 40(3)(b) of the Convention on the Rights of the Child provides as follows:

            “States Parties shall seek to promote the establishment of laws, procedures, authorities and institutions          specifically applicable to children alleged as, accused of, or recognised as having infringed the penal law, and, in     particular:

            (b)        Whenever appropriate and desirable, measures for dealing with such children without resorting to        judicial proceedings, providing that human rights and legal safeguards are fully respected.”.

Rule 11 of the United Nations Standards Minimum Rules for the Administration of Juvenile Justice (The Beijing Rules) moreover provides that “consideration shall be given, where appropriate, to dealing with juvenile offenders

without resorting to formal trial by a competent authority.  This is an indication that even international bodies acknowledge that there will be instances where diversion will be inappropriate.   The seriousness of the offence in the Bill is used as a determining factor to determine the appropriateness of diversion. It provides further that a national law of a State Party must contain provisions indicating in which cases is diversion possible. 

It is also noted that the Committee on the Rights of a Child, in its General Comment No 10 (2007), pointed out clearly (para 13) that it is left to the discretion of the State Parties to decide on the exact nature and content of measures for dealing with children in conflict with the law without resorting to judicial proceedings, and to take the necessary legislative and other measures for their implementation.  In paragraph 12 the Committee states that it is the Committee‘s opinion that the obligation of States parties to promote measures for dealing with       children in conflict with the law without resorting to judicial proceedings applies with respect to children who committed minor offences, although not limited to that.  

 

(iv)        Since it “is pre-eminently the function of the legislature to determine what conduct should be criminalised and

punished”, the Bill, although not dealing in this particular case strictly with crimes and punishment, in line with the

international instruments, states “up front” what cases must follow the normal channels and proceed to trial, that is

serious and violent offences.  Those cases which the legislature singles out for the possibility of diversion, follow another

route and in those cases it is the prosecutor who has the final decision whether to prosecute or not.

 

(v)         Proportionality also plays an important role in the way the Bill is structured in this regard.

2.2  The provisions in question may need to adapted.  It is doubted whether it was the intention to send a child contemplated in clause 57 to a family group conference or a victim-offender mediation.

 

3.1  See paragraph 2.1  

Clause 58

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1  The view is held that reasonable maximum periods have been set, namely 12 and 24 months:  see clause 58(4)(a) and (b))  Clause 58(4)(c) moreover allows diversion options of a longer period.  This is for level 1 diversion options.  Clause 58(6) determines even longer periods for level 2 diversions options. The Committee already considered this submission on 12 March 2008 and rejected it.

1.2  Could be considered.

Restorative justice (clauses 58(7), 61, 62 and 74(1))

Restorative Justice Centre CJB 4

 

 

 

1.1 During the public hearings and when interacting with the members of the Committee on this submission, it was apparent that the Restorative Justice Centre did not object to the wording in sections 61 and 62.  Its concern was merely that these provisions might stunt the development of further restorative justice options.  The Committee indicated that it might be necessary to ensure that the wording in these provisions make it clear that these are not the only options available.  The Bill, however, already does this in clauses 58(7) and 74(1), which envisage further possible restorative justice options.

Clause 61

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

1.1    It is the nature of the process.  The parties listed all have an interest and a role to play in the process.  The clause is not prescriptive and it uses the term “may”.

Clause 63

Child Justice Alliance Driver Group  CJB 13

1.1  The current wording of clause 63(1) is in line with the structure of the Bill as set out in clause 11 of the Bill.  The amendment proposed by the Alliance assumes that every matter landing up in the child justice court will be after a preliminary inquiry, which is not the intention of the Bill. The words “plea or trial” do not preclude a case from being withdrawn, the prosecution being halted or the matter being referred to a children’s court as alleged by the Alliance.

1.2  If you separate the trials then is it proper from a criminal procedure point of view since the accused has to be present at his/her trial and then that same accused will have to give the same evidence in the other trial. The same applies to witnesses who will have to attend both trials.  This will lead to delays and secondary victimisation for the victim to appear at both trials.  Therefore as the Bill is currently drafted clause 63(2) provides that even though the trials will not be separated the provisions of this Bill will apply to children and the provisions of the Criminal Procedure Act in respect of the person other than the child.  We believe this will give additional protection to the child in the circumstances.  The NPA raised specific concerns in this regard.

1.3  Clause 63(5) in the Bill has the same effect as what the Alliance is suggesting.

1.4  It is not necessary to add a new clause 63(6).  Section 154 of the Criminal Procedure Act already applies to child justice court proceedings.   Section 154 is not being repealed by this Bill.

Clause 64

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1 Noted.

Clause 65

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

1.1  It must be noted that although the best interests of the child are paramount, this must not be looked at in isolation.  Article 40(2)(b)(iii) of the Convention on the Rights of the Child provides as follows:

“To this end, and having regard to the relevant provisions of international instruments, States Parties shall, in particular, ensure that:

            Every child alleged as or accused of having infringed the penal law has at least the following guarantees:

To have the matter determined without delay by a competent, independent and impartial authority or judicial body in a fair hearing according to law, in the presence of legal or other appropriate assistance and, unless it is considered not to be in the best interest of the child, in particular, taking into account his or her age or situation, his or her parents or legal guardians;”.

A delay which is prejudicial to the administration of justice would also be prejudicial to the best interests of the child and would fly in the face of the above Article 40(2)(b)(iii), which requires matters against children to be determined without delay. 

1.2  The details of the appointment of an independent observer will be addressed later in the regulations.  Clause 63(5) does not necessarily close proceedings to independent observers, as alleged.  The discretion who may attend the in camera proceedings lies with the presiding officer.   

Clause 66

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

 

 

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1  The period of 30 days is the maximum period.  The court is at liberty to set a shorter period.  The circumstance of the case will determine the period.  Experience has shown in the past that such short periods can be counterproductive.  Section 29(5) of the Correctional Services Act, 1959, which deals with the detention of unconvicted young persons, requires a child in detention must be brought back to court every 14 days to enable the court to reconsider the detention.

 

2.1     First issue:  With regard to making reference in clause 66 to “residential facility”:  It must be noted that the Bill makes provision for placement in a placement facility in clause 31 and these do not include a residential facility.  A residential facility in terms of the Bill is only used once a child is sentenced.  Therefore we cannot include reference to “residential facility” in clause 66.  Consideration could however be given to include a reference to “placement facility” in clause 66 after the word “prison”.  {maybe also consider doing the same in clause 67(2) where reference is also only made to prison}

Second issue:  Clause 66 deals with time limits prior to the commencement of a trial and clause 67 deals with time limits during the duration of the trial.  We therefore reject the proposal to delete the words “prior to the commencement of a trial” from clause 66.

Third issue:  If the Committee agrees with our proposal to the first issue to include placement facilities in clause 66 then CJA’s proposal to inset wording in paragraph (ii) is covered and will be for a period of 30 days not 60 days as they propose. 

Clause 67

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

 

SAHRC CJB 19

 

Child Justice Alliance Driver Group  CJB 13

1.1, 2.1 and 3.1:  This is a matter for consideration by the Committee and the inputs received from relevant roleplayers, eg the National Prosecuting Authority.

 

 

 

 

3.1  This is not a realistic time period and cannot be included in the Bill.  Currently trials are on average finalised within 9 months, but there are always exceptions for which various reasons could exist in practice and by providing for a period of 2 years the exceptional circumstances will be covered. 

3.2  Refer to the response under 3.1  Trials take on average 9 months and this proposed clause of CJA will mean that children will be released in droves and for offences which various checks and balances are provided for in the Bill and therefore if they are in detention during the trial good reasons will exist to support this position. 

Clause 68

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1  In clause 60(4) it is clearly stated that this procedure only kicks in “if it is found that failure is due to fault on the part of the child”.  There is no chance of this procedure applying to a child who defaulted on a diversion order and it is not due to his or her own fault.

Clause 70

CSPRI CJB 10

 

 

Prof Terblanche CJB 16

 

GSL Youth Services CJB 15

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

RAPCAN CJB 9

 

Child Justice Alliance Driver Group  CJB 13

1.1  The aim of the proposed new clause 70(3)(f) is already addressed in clause 70(1)(c) and the aim of the proposed new clause 70(3)(g) is already addressed in clause 70(1)(d).

 

2.1  There is no objection to this proposal.

 

 

3.1 In the case of non-custodial sentences, provision is already made for specific intervention programmes and report backs.  (See clauses 73, 74, 75 and 80.)  In the case of custodial sentences in residential facilities and prisons, the inputs of the relevant Departments would be helpful.  The Departments of Social Development, Education and Correctional Services have their own prescripts.  The question is raised whether the Bill can give effect to what GSL Youth Services is suggesting in this regard.  

3.2  The Bill provides for a pre-sentence report by a probation officer or any other suitable person.  A custodial sentence may not be imposed without such a report.  It is unclear what is meant by a more in-depth report, as suggested by GSL Youth Services.

3.3 & 3.4 See paragraph 3.1

 

4.1  See paragraph 3.1 

 

5.1 The Criminal Law Amendment Act, 1997 (discretionary minimum sentencing legislation), has been in operation for more than ten years.  Its constitutionality has been challenges a number of times and it has not been found to be unconstitutional.  The amendments to this Act, which came into effect on 31 December 2007, do not in any substantive manner alter the provisions that applied to children before they came into effect.  If anything the provisions of the Amendment Act are more lenient in that they provide for the suspension of up to half a sentence imposed on a child under the legislation.  Parliament at the end of 2007 endorsed the minimum sentence legislation as being applicable to children.  See also comments under clause 78 in this regard where the minimum sentencing legislation is discussed.  The judgments referred to by the Alliance did not find the legislation to be unconstitutional.

Clause 71

CSPRI CJB 10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Prof Terblanche CJB 16

 

RAPCAN CJB 9

Child Justice Alliance Driver Group CJB 13

1.1  .  Victim impact statements were never envisaged in the Sexual Offences Bill.   The issue of victim impact statements was raised in a submission made to the Commission.  It is further not correct to say that victim impact statements have no role to play in the Sexual Offences Bill, since it is clear from section 66 of the Act that information on the impact of the sexual offence on the complainant” must be placed before the prosecutor, which section, among others, deals with the manner in which prosecutors, under the direction of the National Director of Public Prosecutions, must approach the prosecution of sexual offence cases.  Provision was made for victim impact statements at the suggestion of the Committee and the Department was instructed to include a provision to this effect and to ensure that this is not a mandatory process but the option should be available to the presiding officer. 

 

2.1  The prosecutor furnishes the victim impact statement to the court and the court has the discretion whether to accept it or not.

 

3.1 & 4.1  See paragraph 1.1

Clause 72

CSPRI CJB 10

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

 

SAHRC CJB 19

 

Child Justice Alliance Driver Group CJB 13

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Department of Social Development (UCT) CJB 8

 

Childline CJB 3

1.1 & 1.2  The Minister of Social Development already has the power to make such regulations under the Probation Services Act, 1991, dealing with the format of pre-sentence reports.  The proposal that regulations should specify the requirements for “other suitably qualified persons” is supported.

1.3  The period of 30 days is the maximum period set.  Nothing precludes the probation officer submitting it earlier at the request of the court.  The 30 day period is thought to be realistic, particularly if it is borne in mind that there are capacity constraints at present in this regard.

1.4  Prisons differ from residential facilities in that they accept all who are sentenced by a court to imprisonment.  It is suggested that the Department of Correctional Services provide an input in this regard.  The Departments of Education, Social Development and Correctional Services would be best placed to respond to the proposal that the probation officer must obtain information regarding educational, developmental and therapeutic services available and the effectiveness of services which are intended to reduce recidivism.

 

2.1  The provision should be amended as suggested by the commentator.

 

 

 

3.1  See paragraph 1.3

 

4.1  See paragraph 1.3

4.2  In respect of the amendment of clause 72(2), proposed by the CJA, see paragraph 1.3 above.  Under paragraph 4.1 in the summary of comments, the CJA argued that the period should be 6 weeks to alleviate pressure on DSD.  Under this provision the CJA is arguing that the period should be 20 and 30 days. 

In respect of the amendment of clause 72(3), proposed by the CJA, it must be mentioned that the requirement for the probation officer to obtain a sworn affidavit from the person in charge of the residential facility, was suggested by the Portfolio Committee which felt strongly that there should be a recommendation by the probation officer, supported by a sworn statement from the person in charge of the facility, in order to avoid the situation where a child is supposed to be placed in such a facility but then can never be released from a prison because in practice there is no space in the facility.  Regarding the proposal that information should also be made available on educational programmes and services available to children, the opinion of the Departments in question should be obtained.     

 

5.1  The Bill provides that “other suitable persons” should assist in the drafting of pre-sentence reports.

5.2  See paragraph 1.3

 

 

 

6.1  The insertion of the word “qualified” could be considered.  On the time period within which pre-sentence reports must be submitted, see paragraph 1.3 above.

With regard to Childline’s proposed new subclause (5), it must be noted that pre-sentence reports are being done at the moment in terms of the Probation Services Act and if regulations are required they should be made in terms of that Act by the Minister of Social Development.

Clause 73

Prof Terblanche CJB 16

1.1  The provision could be amended as suggested.

1.2  Clause 58(5) is clear that level two options only apply where the court would have imposed a sentence and this should not be confusing.  Consideration could, however, be given to amending clause 58(5) to the following effect:

            “Level two diversion options apply to children where a court upon conviction of the child for the offence in     question [is likely to] would in the normal course impose a sentence of imprisonment ….”

1.3. The provisions could be amended as suggested.

1.4  This provision does not harm and allows for other possibilities.  Correctional supervision is dealt with separately under clause 76.  It is suggested that this remain unchanged.

Clause 76

Prof Terblanche CJB 16

1.1  Prof Terblanche’s comments seem to be correct and the provision needs revisiting.

Clause 77

Prof Sloth-Nielsen (UWC) CJB 12

 

Prof Terblanche CJB 16

1.1 Noted

 

 

 

2.1  The Portfolio Committee requested Prof Terblanche to submit a proposal in this regard.

Clause 78

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Prof Sloth-Nielsen (UWC)  CJB 12

 

US Submission CJB 14

 

 

Prof Terblanche CJB 16

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Catholic Institute of Education CJB 18

 

Community Law Centre CJB 11

 

CSIR  CJB 7

 

GSL Youth Services CJB 15

 

SAHRC CJB 19

 

 

RAPCAN CJB 9

1.1  See arguments under bifurcation.

1.2  Clause 78(5):  This is an opinion being expressed.

1.3  The following extracts of the Constitutional Court judgment in S v Dodo are relevant: 

            “While our Constitution recognises a separation of powers between the different branches of the state and a         system of appropriate checks and balances on the exercise of the respective functions and powers of these   branches, such separation does not confer on the courts the sole authority to determine the nature and       severity of sentences to be imposed on convicted persons.  Both the legislature and the executive have      a          legitimate interest, role and duty, in regard to the imposition and subsequent administration of penal          sentences.

           

            There is under our Constitution no absolute separation of power between the judicial function, on the one hand,            and the legislative and executive on the other.  When the nature and process of punishment is considered in its    totality, it is apparent that all three branches of the state play a functional role and must necessarily do so.  It             is pre-eminently the function of the legislature to determine what conduct should be criminalised and punished.    

            Both the legislature and executive share an interest in the punishment to be imposed by courts, both in regard to        its nature and its severity.  They have a general interest in sentencing policy, penology and the extent to which      correctional institutions are used to further the various objectives of punishment.

 

            The executive and legislative branches of state have a very real interest in the severity of sentences.  The         executive has a general obligation to ensure that law-abiding persons are protected, if needs be through the      criminal laws, from persons who are bent on breaking the law.  This obligation weighs particularly heavily in regard to crimes of violence against bodily integrity and increases with the severity of the crime.

 

            In order to discharge this obligation, which is an integral part of constitutionalism, the executive and legislative        branches must have the power under the Constitution to carry out these obligations.  They must have the power,    through legislative means, of ensuring that sufficiently severe penalties are imposed on dangerous criminals in    order to protect society.”.

To revert to clause 69 of the 2002 Bill, as suggested by CSPRI, would mean that children who are 14 years and younger may not be sentenced to imprisonment at all.  The possibility of a sentence of imprisonment, even for children under 14 years, needs to be included in the Bill in order to allow for exceptional circumstances, as indicated in the case of DPP, KwaZulu-Natal vs P, in which a 12 year old girl brutally murdered her grandmother.  The following extracts of the judgment of the Supreme Court of Appeal in this case are relevant:

            “The accused, in my view, and in spite of her age and background, acted like an ‘ordinary’ criminal and should      have been treated as such.

 

            It must be remembered that the Constitution and the international instruments do not forbid incarceration of            children in certain circumstances.

 

            The accused arranged for the brutal murder of her grandmother at the hands of two strangers who now languish in prison, each serving sentences of imprisonment of 25 years.  The killing was particularly gruesome:  the            deceased had her throat cut in her bedroom and was slaughtered like an animal.  The accused provided the           killers with knives.  She stood watching while the killers carried out her evil command even callously allowed her      six-year old brother to enter the room when her sordid mission had been accomplished  ….  The murder was       premeditated.  One would expect a person of that age to have been remorseful.  Not the accused.  While the   killers were still in the house after the murder she telephoned her boyfriend – a 20 year old – to try and fabricate            an alibi.  As if that was not bad enough she rewarded the killers with a number of household goods belonging to the deceased, as indicated earlier in the judgment.  One can go on and on.  Every chapter of this sordid tale           reveals the evil-mindedness of the accused.  One of the more worrying aspects of the case is that no motive   was given for the killing, which makes it imperative for this Court to consider a serntence that would to some     extent ensure that those who come into contact with her are protected.

 

            If I had been a Judge of first instance I would have seriously considered imposing a sentence of imprisonment.”.

 

It should furthermore be mentioned that numerous other jurisdictions allow for the imprisonment of young children in exceptional circumstances.

 

1.4  Parole:  This is an aspect which should be considered within the context of the Correctional Services Amendment Bill, B32B of 2007 (which is currently before the NCOP).  A whole new system of parole is envisaged in terms of this Bill.    If such a proposal is to be considered it would have to be structured in terms of the various types of offences.  A blanket clause such as that which is proposed will mean that a child convicted of a very serious offence will be eligible for parole after having served a mere five years, while the minimum sentencing legislation provides that up to half a minimum sentence imposed on a child may be suspended and the sentencing court has the discretion to direct after how many years a child could be considered for parole.  It must also be noted that in practice the minimum sentencing provisions have not been implemented in reference to parole, since as the Inspecting Judge’s own findings have shown DCS in most instances do not know that an offender was sentenced in terms of this legislation and this might be the reason that it is now being deleted from the amendment bill and it is not clear what procedure the Sentencing Council will put in place.

1.5 The age of 16 years, at which minimum sentences become applicable to children, was chosen specifically since statistics indicate that children of 16 and 17 years commit more serious and violent crimes.  In other words, both the age as well as the type of crime motivated this.  The second reading debate on the Criminal Law Amendment Act, 1997,  confirms this.  This decision was not arrived at lightly, without any motivation, as is alleged.  It should also be borne in mind that this Committee amended the minimum sentences legislation at the end of 2007 to provide for the suspension of up to half the sentence imposed on a child between 16 and 18 years, giving effect to the constitutional requirement of detention for the “shortest possible period”.  CSPRI also argues that all factors can be ignored when a child is 16 years of age and only the age of the child and the type of offence comes into play.  This is not correct;  the Criminal Law Amendment Act, 1997, provides for a system of discretionary and not mandatory minimum sentences and the presiding officer can take any other factor into account in determining whether substantial and compelling circumstances exist which justify the imposition of a lesser sentence.  The argument of CSPRI that pre-sentencing reports are diluted by the substantial and compelling” requirement is also not correct, since the contents thereof can be considered by the court to constitute substantial and compelling circumstances.  Finally, it must be noted that the minimum sentencing legislation has been in place for ten years and has been found to be constitutional.  Deleting clause 78(3), as suggested, will not affect the application of the minimum sentencing provisions on children 16 years and older.

 

2.1  See paragraphs 1.3 and 1.5

2.2  See paragraph 1.3

2.3  See paragraphs 1.3 and 1.5

 

3.1  It must be pointed out that these factors listed here in the US submission are exactly those that can be taken into account as substantial and compelling circumstances we do not have a system of MANDATORY sentences but of discretionary minimum sentences.  See also paragraphs 1.3 and 1.5

 

4.1  This proposal could be considered.

4.2    The Convention on the Rights of the Child only prohibits life imprisonment without the option of parole (Article 37(b)).  No mention is made of life imprisonment with the option of parole or early release and if we look at sentencing legislation for children in other signatory countries such as Canada (which has a Constitution similar to our own) and the UK it is clear that they provide for sentences of life imprisonment with the option of early release or parole for children. 

4.3  See paragraphs 1.3 and 1.5

4.4  Noted. 

4.5 The wording “substantial and compelling circumstances” originates from clause 92 “Referral to a prison” of the SALRC’s Report, which read as follows:

            92.       (1)        A sentence of imprisonment may not be imposed unless -

            (a) …

            (b) substantial and compelling reasons exist for imposing a sentence of imprisonment because the child has        been convicted of an offence which is serious or violent or because the child has previously failed to respond to       alternative sentences, including available sentences with a residential element other than imprisonment”.

On page 206 of the SALRC’s report the Commission explains this choice of words as follows: 

            Further, in view of the support received for the inclusion of international principles, the Commission has      provided that imprisonment may only be imposed if substantial and compelling reasons exist because the child   has been convicted of an offence which is serious and violent, or because the child has previously failed to             respond to alternative sentences, including available sentences other than imprisonment”.

4.6 The same arguments in reference to the Kimberley case were made during the public hearings on the Criminal Law (Sentencing) Amendment Act, 2007 last year.  These were rejected by the Committee the legislature’s intention was not to create new offences but to provide for specific sentences in instances where a victim was raped more than once.

 

5.1    See paragraphs 1.3 and 1.5

 

 

 

6.1    See paragraphs 1.3 and 1.5

 

 

7.1    See paragraphs 1.3 and 1.5

 

8.1    The minimum sentence legislation allows for the court to take into account the time spent in prison awaiting trial until sentence, that is in respect of children and adults.  This is  a special protection measure for children.

 

 

9.1    See paragraphs 1.3 and 1.5.  The Department of Correctional Services could assist regarding the input that cases of children who are sentenced to prison should come before the parole board on a regular basis.

 

10.1 & 10.2  See paragraphs 1.3 and 1.5

Clause 81

Prof Sloth-Nielsen (UWC) CJB 12

1.1  This should be regulated in the Legal Aid Act, 1969, and the Attorneys Act, 1979, and the Schedule 6 to this Bill could be amended accordingly should the Committee agree.

Clause 82

Prof Sloth-Nielsen (UWC) CJB 12

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Legal Aid Board CJB 22

1.1  It must be noted that the during the research and consultation SALRC fully recognised the value of legal representation for children as part of due process rights.  However, in the Discussion document and the Report, the SALRC recommended that legal representation should not be a prerequisite for assessment, diversion or preliminary inquiry, although a child who exercises his or her right to legal representation may obviously choose to have legal representation at any of the procedures.   It was argued that legal representation at these procedures may dilute and formalise an otherwise informal system/procedure making it ineffective.

1.3  A probation officer must consent to the attendance by a legal representative during an assessment, it is not the child that must request permission from the legal representative to attend.

1.4  No mention is made of resources it would appear that this is a matter that would need to be clarified with the LAB as to their capacity to assist in all these matters.  [this also applies to 2.1]

 

3.1  This issue is already addressed by clause 50(4)(b) of the Bill.

Chapter 10 - legal representation (Clause 83)

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Campus Law Clinic CJB 5

 

 

Child Justice Alliance Driver Group  CJB 13

1.1  Factors listed by the commentator as to what could constitute substantial injustice are:  the complexity of the case; the severity of the potential sentence; the ignorance or indigence of the accused.  It is submitted by DOJ that these factors would therefore apply to children not specifically mentioned here and it would therefore follow that substantial injustice would not occur if a 16 or 17 year old faces for instance a Schedule 1 offence and all the other checks and balances are in place to protect the rights of the child. 

 

1.2  The way that clause 83 reads it is clear that it prescribes to the court which instances must be referred to the LAB for consideration of legal aid at state expense, but this clause does not affect the ordinary power of courts in each case to consider whether legal aid should be granted to children (or adults) in terms of section 3B of the Legal Aid Act, 1969, and therefore it should be clear that other children who are not specifically stipulated here will still be considered in the ordinary course and within the parameters stipulated by the Constitution.  It could therefore never follow that a 17 year old can be sentenced to life imprisonment without the assistance of a legal representative as submitted by the commentator. 

 

1.3 Consider inserting a reference to clause 78.

 

 

3.1  It must also be noted  that the Committee on the Rights of a Child in its General Comment No 10 (para 23)  indicated that assistance to the child does not have be legal at all times but it must be appropriate and that other appropriate assistance include paralegals and social workers.

 

4.1  See paragraph 1.2.  Also it might not be necessary to have clause 83 at all since matters involving children are adequately addressed by the Legal Aid Act and the Legal Aid Guide and could continue in that way.  All this Bill actually does is saying that in these categories legal aid must be considered but it does not affect the application of the Legal Aid Act which would apply in any event to any matter referred to it for consideration. 

Clauses 85 & 86

CSPRI CJB 10

 

 

 

 

 

Child Justice Alliance Driver Group  CJB 13

1.2  DOJ will effect the consequential amendments to clause 85, which came about as a result of the amendments to section 309 of the CPA. (Criminal Law (Sentencing) Amendment Act, 2007)

1.4 It must also be noted that clause 85 deals with the right to automatic appeal, normal procedures in terms of appeals under the Criminal Procedure Act will still apply in all other cases.  If these broad provisions suggested by the CSPRI were accommodated then almost every case would go on automatic appeal or automatic review. 

 

2.1 In case of a child who is legal represented, the legal representative must advise the child and take appropriate action where necessary.

2.2  Clause 87 provides that clause 25 must apply when dealing with the release of children on bail, pending any review or appeal.

2.3  See paragraph 1.4  Children in the categories suggested by CSPRI who do not qualify to appeal without first applying for leave to appeal, can still follow the normal appeal procedures.

2.4  These ages in clauses 85 and 86, that 14 and 16 years, will be brought in line with the amendments to the minimum sentence legislation in 2007 in terms of which section 309 of the Criminal Procedure Act, 1977, was amended to give greater protection to children in respect of automatic appeals by increasing the ages of 14 to 16 years and 16 to 18 years, respectively.

Clause 88 - Expungement of Records

RAPCAN CJB 9

1.1  This was a policy decision, that records of serious offences may not be expunged. 

 

 

Clause 94

Prof Sloth-Nielsen (UWC) CJB 12

 

Child Justice Alliance CJB 13

1.1  Our Bill deals with aggravating circumstances in sentencing and does not create an offence.  The Children’s Act creates an offence.  There is thus no chance of double jeopardy. 

 

 

2.1  Dealt with under assessment, preliminary inquires and diversion above. 

Clause 95

CSPRI CJB 10

 

 

Prof Sloth-Nielsen (UWC) CJB 12

 

RAPCAN CJB 9

 

Child Justice Alliance Driver Group  CJB 13

1.1  It is submitted that the indicators stipulated in the Manual are covered broadly in the Bill and the details may be covered in the regulations.

 

2.1  There is no need to legislate on the issue, Justice College and other organisation are already engaging on such training.

2.2  The interdepartmental Committee (ISCCJ) is already working on such a system.

 

3.1  The publication of the report is a policy decision.

 

 

4.1  Refer to the responses under clause 57. 

Separation or joinder of trials

Prof Sloth-Nielsen (UWC) CJB 12

Community Law Centre (UWC) CJB 11

See paragraph 1.2 under clause 63.

Schedule 6

Prof Terblanche CJB 16

1.1      See paragraph 1.1 under clause 76.

 

1.2  The Department has already indicated that it still needs to revisit all the consequential amendments contained in Schedule 6.

Quality of Infrastructure, service and conditions at the facilities

GSL Youth Services CJB 25

 

 

Heidi Sauls  CJB 2

 

SAHRC CJB 19

1.1 & 1.2  It has already been suggested in the deliberations on the Bill that consideration should be given to the creation of a statutory body on which all Departments are represented and which is chaired by the Justice Department to ensure compliance with the legislation and to monitor relevant issues.  A similar structure has been created in the Sexual Offences Bill. 

2.1  Places of safety are being removed by the Children’s Act, 2005, and are being replaced by new institutions, child and youth care centres.

 

3.1 It has already been suggested in the deliberations on the Bill that consideration should be given to the creation of a statutory body on which all Departments are represented and which is chaired by the Justice Department to ensure compliance with the legislation and to monitor relevant issues.  A similar structure has been created in the Sexual Offences Bill.

Provisions of the Bill relating to sexual offences with particular reference to the different Schedules in the Bill

RAPCAN CJB 9

1.1  & 1.2  See the discussion under clause 57.

 

1.3, 1.4 & 1.5  Any sexual offence is serious and should be treated as such because of the current sexual offence problem and violence against women.  Bestiality does appear in both schedules which must be corrected. 

Schedules

SAHRC CJB 19

1.2  The Schedules follow the structure of the Bill.

General Comments

SAHRC CJB 19 

 

 

RAPCAN CJB 9

 

1.1    Cross referencing and definition by reference to the Bill is part of drafting and is not unique to this Bill, although it 

may be minimised where possible.

1.2    Noted 

 

2.1 to 2.4  Noted