Constitution Thirteenth A/B [B24b-2007]: Final Mandates
NCOP Security and Justice
16 November 2007
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SECURITY
AND CONSTITUTIONAL AFFAIRS SELECT COMMITTEE
16 November 2007
CONSTITUTION THIRTEENTH A/B [B24B-2007]: FINAL MANDATES
Chairperson: Kgoshi
L Mokoena (ANC, Limpopo)
Documents handed out:
Constitution
Thirteenth Amendment Bill [B 24-2007]
Report on Final Mandate
for the following provinces :
Eastern Cape,Free
State,Gauteng,KZN,Limpopo,Mpumalanga,Northern Cape,North West, Western Cape
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SUMMARY
The Select Committee on Security and Constitutional Affairs voted on the
Constitution Thirteenth Amendment Bill. All Provinces voted in favour of the
Bill and the Bill was adopted. The IFP and DA members indicated that, although
they had voted in support of the Bill on behalf of their provinces, their
parties would nonetheless be expressing some views during the debate. It was
noted that there would be a full debate. This Bill and the Cross Boundary
Municipalities Laws Repeal and related matters Amendment Bill would be debated
together, but the voting on each would occur separately.
MINUTES
Constitution Thirteenth Amendment Bill: Final mandates
The Chairperson asked if there was anything that the Department of Justice
wanted to add before the Committee proceeded with the voting.
Mr Johan Labuschagne, Director, Department of Justice, informed the Chair that
he did not have anything to add.
Mr A Manyosi (ANC, Eastern Cape) spoke on behalf of the Eastern Cape. He informed members that after public hearings
were conducted by that Province, they had reported back to the House on 8
November 2007, and the Eastern Cape Legislature resolved to support the Bill.
Mr Manyosi read out the resolution contained in the letter.
Mr D Worth (DA, Free State) stated that he presented the Bill to the Free State
Legislature on 7 November 2007. Their
Portfolio Committee decided that they would support the Bill without further
amendments.
Mr S Shiceka (ANC, Gauteng) presented Gauteng’s final mandate. The Committee had been briefed by Mr Shiceka
and it was decided that the Bill would be supported. It was also noted that there was no need for
public involvement in Gauteng as the Bill was trying to comply with the
Constitutional Court requirements in respect of Eastern Cape and Kwazulu Natal.
He formally read out the resolution from Gauteng.
Mr Z Ntuli (ANC, Kwazulu Natal) spoke on behalf of Kwazulu-Natal (KZN). He informed members that the KZN Provincial
Legislature had met on 15 November 2007 and had resolved to support the Bill as
a whole.
The Chairman spoke on behalf of the Limpopo Legislature. He stated that the Legislature conferred a
final mandate to the Provincial NCOP Permanent Delegates to vote in favour of
the Bill.
Ms F Nyanda (ANC, Mpumalanga) said that the Portfolio Committee of Local
Government and Housing in Mpumalanga had deliberated on the Bill and had
decided to support the Bill as it stood.
Mr Shiceka presented the mandate on behalf of the Northern Cape legislature. He
read out that it conferred authority on the Head of its Delegation to the NCOP
to vote in support of the Bill.
Mr A Moseki (ANC, North West) noted that he had briefed the relevant Committee
of North West on 18 October 2007. The
Committee decided that the Bill did not necessitate a public hearing. It was resolved that the North West would
support the Bill.
Mr Manyosi read out the mandate of the Western Cape informed members that the
Western Cape had considered the Bill and it was decided that they would support
the Bill without amendments.
The Chairperson informed the Committee that all the provinces were in support
of the Bill. He stated that he did not
think that there were any technical issues but if members wanted to raise any
issues before they proceeded, then they should do so. No issues were raised.
Mr Shiceka proposed a Motion of Desirability, which was seconded by Mr Ntuli.
The Bill was approved by all nine provinces. A debate would be held in the
House next week.
The Chairperson stated that the report of the Committee would reflect that they
were all in agreement. The Committee
approved the report. Eastern Cape moved that the report of the Committee be
accepted. This was seconded by
Mpumalanga.
Mr M Mzizi (Gauteng: IFP) stated that even though the Bill had been passed,
parties would also be given a chance to debate on the issues. He agreed with his Province, but noted that
the IFP would be debating certain issues in the Bill during discussions in the
House.
The Chairperson agreed that parties would be given a slot in which they could
express themselves and added that parties were allowed to express their
views.
Mr Worth noted that his party too would be raising some issues. He noticed that
there were two separate items on the agenda – one dealing with the Constitution
Thirteenth Amendment Bill and the other dealing with the Cross Boundary
Municipalities Laws Repeal and related matters Amendment Bill, and that the two
were linked. He wondered if it was possible to just have one debate. Mr Worth also wanted to know if there was going
to be a debate or a statement.
Mr Ntuli asked if Provinces would be given a slot in which they could express
their views, or if there would be a party view taken.
The Chairperson stated that party views were not considered as voting took
place with regard to provinces. He told
Mr Worth that, given the sensitivity of the Bill that had passed and the
attention that it had drawn, the NCOP would inform the public what the Bill was
about and the impact that it was going to have.
Therefore, there would be a debate.
Mr Mzizi reminded members that there was a request that the two pieces of
legislation be debated in one meeting.
He agreed that there would have to be a debate. Parties wanted to know that they were represented
during deliberations.
The Chairperson said that there could be one debate but that voting would have
to occur separately.
The meeting was adjourned.
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