Medium Term Budget Policy Statement: Housing & Transport Departments’ briefing
Budget Committee on Appropriation
01 November 2007
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JOINT
BUDGET COMMITTEE
01 November 2007
MEDIUM TERM BUDGET POLICY STATEMENT: HOUSING & TRANSPORT DEPARTMENTS’
BRIEFING
Co-Chairpersons: Ms
L Mabe (ANC) and Mr B Mkhaliphi (ANC)
Documents handed out:
Medium Term Budget Policy Statement 2007 [available at www.treasury.gov.za]
Department of Transport
Presentation on MTBPS 2007
Department of Housing Presentation on MTBPS 2007 [Part 1][Part 2]
Audio
recording of meeting
SUMMARY
The Committee was briefed by the Departments of Transport and Housing on
their mandates and medium term policy priorities and what they had so far been
able to achieve. Each Department briefed the Committee on its financial and
audit performance and plans with regard to the Medium Term Budget Policy
Statement.
The Committee questioned the Department of Transport on the spending, staff
issues and vacancies, the constitution of the audit committee, the slow taxi
recapitalisation progress, training to employees, the comprehensive strategic
plan, and areas of emphasis over the next three years. Further questions
related to the relevance of research and use of consultants. The Committee
agreed that the Department of Transport needed to do more in improving its
capacity in order to justify the huge amounts allocated and to successfully
achieve the monumental goals ahead.
The Committee raised with the Department of Housing issues around spending,
movement of funds from one programme to another, whether the Department could
meet the commitment of eradicating informal settlements by 2014, areas of
emphasis, and rationalisation of cost-cutting. Further questions were raised on
vacancy issues, the lack of a proper HR plan, the plans to fast-track delivery,
the new organogram, the quality of units, adequate monitoring and the lack of
distinction between houses completed and those not completed. A generalised
response was given, due to lack of time. Committee members were generally dissatisfied
with the answers given so far, and further responses were to be forwarded in
writing.
MINUTES
Medium Term Budget Policy Statement (MTBPS) Department of Transport (DOT)
Briefing
Ms Mpumi Mpofu, Director-General, Department of Transport, outlined the 2006/07
expenditure trends of the Department, stating that the total budget for the
period was about R13.7 billion. Of this amount, R386,4
million was under spent. She noted that certain challenges were identified by
the audit report, including non-compliance with relevant legislation, issues
around governance, corrections made to the financial statement, and lack of
internal controls. Steps were however taken to address these challenges during
the period.
The main interventions by the Department to improve its performance had
included a new audit committee being appointed. Relevant legislation like the
National Road Traffic Act was in the process of review to enable the Department
to suspend Testing Centers. Also, corrections were made to the financial
statements emanating from the audit and processes were put in place to ensure
correct disclosure. Furthermore, post-implementation audit had started, and
this report would be tabled before parliament.
On its medium term policy priorities, the Department planned to obtain cabinet
approval for the Integrated Transport Black Economic Empowerment (BEE) Charter
and implement the Charter. It also planned to set up an independent ports
regulator in each commercial port, and improve security at vehicle stations and
drivers’ license testing stations by March 2009. There were also plans to
develop a regional integrated search and rescue strategy in 2008/09.
Furthermore, the 2010 transport operational planning framework had been
finalised, while an Integrated Rural Transport Development Programme with
geographical information systems was to be established by March 2008.
In respect of public transport, the Department was to facilitate the
implementation of a public transport strategy and development of phase 1 operational
plans for the Integrated Rapid Public Transport Network in 12 cities, aligning
with 2010 plans. The Department was to support the taxi recapitalisation
programme (TRP), and also the transformation of bus subsidies into public
transport subsidies to include taxis. In this regard, the availability of new
compliant taxi vehicles was currently being facilitated.
Discussion
Ms N Dumbuza (ANC) asked if there was any assurance that by the end of the
year, the whole budget would have been spent by the Department. She also asked
to know what the Department was doing about staff that were
resigning in large numbers.
Mr G Schneeman (ANC) asked to know if the Department actually had the capacity
to handle the 2010 programme considering the number of vacancies that it had.
Ms Mpofu stated that the Department had been allocated extra funds to assist
with improving capacity. She however said that the extent of such improvement
could only be to the tune of the amount allocated.
Mr Schneeman asked if the host cities had the required capacity to host the
2010 World Cup events.
Mr Schneeman asked how the audit committee was constituted.
Ms Mpofu stated that the new audit committee consisted of five members, and was
structured in such a manner that if one or two members were to resign, the
other three would still be able to form a proper quorum.
Ms R Mashigo (ANC) asked what was contributing to the failure of the taxi
recapitalisation process. She said the process started in 1999, but that actual
scrapping of taxis began only in October 2006.
Ms Mashigo asked whether the training being offered to employees of the
Department was relevant enough to retain them in their positions.
Ms Mpofu stated that the training being offered to employees was relevant and
quite diversified. Training was being offered in areas such as aviation law,
maritime transport, and contract management. She added that the vacancy rate in
the Department had steadily declined and that the grades in the Department
would need to be improved in order to attract more qualified personnel.
Mr B Mkhaliphi (ANC) asked whether the Department had a comprehensive strategic
plan to help implement government policy. He also asked if the Department’s
allocated funds were enough to implement the MTBPS.
Ms Mpofu stated that the Department had a public transport action plan already
approved by Cabinet, and that the Department intended to implement public
transport on an 18 to 24 hour basis. She added that the Department was being
redesigned and restructured to have a comprehensive policy framework, and its
policy framework was different from its strategy implementation framework.
Mr Schneeman asked the Department to suggest areas where greater emphasis
should be placed with regard to the transport budget for the next three years.
The Chairperson asked whether the current researchers and consultants engaged
by the Department had adequate knowledge and understanding of what the
developmental environment and circumstances of the country were like. She also
asked to know what was being done in the various entities within the Department
to provide more training for staff.
Ms Mpofu conceded that challenge the Department faced was that it had had the
same group of researchers for a long time. She said that in this regard the
Department was trying to strengthen the research component by raising it to a
Chief Directorate level. The Department was satisfied with the consultants it
had currently, who were technically competent. She added that the Department
usually engaged consultants from a consortium of companies, and not just from
one company. She concluded that the Department had already rationalized its
activities even before the directive from the Minister of Finance.
MTPBS: National Department of Housing Briefing
Mr Itumeleng Kotsoane, Director-General, Department of Housing, briefed the
Committee on the aspects of the MTBPS that concerned the Department. The areas
highlighted included the Department’s mandate and medium-term policy
priorities, significant allocations, personnel training and skills development,
financial performance, and audit outcomes. He stated that the government White
Paper on Housing remained the pillar of the housing policy. He outlined the
priorities of the comprehensive plan that included the acceleration of housing
delivery within the context of sustainable human settlements.
Mr Kotsoane stated that a number of risks and challenges still remained in the
housing sector. These included the existence of a significant housing backlog,
multiple capacity constraints on government and the construction industry, and
the lack of best-practice models for expeditious delivery of integrated housing
and sustainable human settlements. Further challenges arose from the changing
demographics of South Africa, rapid urbanization and migration, the influx of
immigrants and the erosion of affordability of housing
The allocation for the current financial year was R8.2
billion for the completion of current committed multi-year projects. Mr
Kotsoane noted that the housing backlog must be eradicated within the shortest
possible time as cost projections indicated a doubling of costs for every two
years delayed. He hinted in this regard that some reforms had taken place,
which included repositioning the national, provincial and municipal housing
departments for improved housing delivery and capacity development, especially
at provincial and municipal levels.
With regard to personnel development, the Department had a restructured and
enhanced organogram and a new Human Resources (HR) plan was being developed.
Also, under the Department’s HR development programme, staff training and
skills development was ongoing while scholarships and bursaries were being
offered to employees and students for various studies.
Mr Kotsoane then summarised the financial performance of the Department. As at
31 March 2007, about R7.3 billion had been allocated for various programmes, of
which about R7.1 billion was spent and about R167.7 million remained unspent.
One contributing factor to the under-spending was the administrative expenses
unspent due to the existence of vacancies. He also outlined the expenditure
trends over the following three financial years (see attached presentation)
In conclusion, Mr Kotsoane stated that the number of subsidies approved from
1994/95 to March 2007 was 3,043,900, while the number of housing units
completed and in process of completion in the same period was 2,355,913. The
Department had received an unqualified audit report with some matters of
emphasis.
Discussion
Ms Dumbuza asked if there were any guarantees that by the end of the financial
year, all the funds budgeted would have been spent by the Department.
Ms Dambuza also noted that funds had been moved from one programme to fund
another programme, and asked to know why this was the case, and why certain
programmes were not budgeted for.
Mr Schneeman asked if the Department would be able to meet government’s
commitment of eradiating informal settlements by the year 2014.
Mr Schneeman also asked if there were any particular areas where emphasis
should be placed, in terms of the housing programme in the Medium Term Expenditure
Framework (MTEF) period.
Mr Schneeman asked the Department to indicate how it intended to implement the
rationalization or cost-cutting directed by the Minister of Finance.
Mr A Steyn (DA) asked how the Department was dealing
with vacancy issues without a HR plan.
Mr Mkhaliphi asked what plans the Department had to fast-track good quality
delivery.
Mr Mkhaliphi asked the Department whether there was any guarantee that it could
handle the resources allocated to it effectively. In addition he asked that the
Committee be furnished with the Department’s new organogram.
The Chairperson asked whether the units being delivered were of good quality.
The Chairperson asked why performance bonuses were paid to staff when there was
still a lot of complaint about delivery.
Mr Steyn asked to know whether there was adequate monitoring to ensure that the
subsidies paid out reached the proper beneficiaries.
Mr E Sogoni (ANC) noted that the report did not distinguish between houses
already completed and those not yet completed.
Ms L Chikunga (ANC) asked to know how long the process of building one unit
would take.
Mr Kotsoane responded to these questions in general, due to lack of time. The
full responses to the questions would be forwarded before the end of the
following day.
Mr Kotsoane said that despite the many challenges being faced, delivery in the
sector was being geared up. Officials from the Department were being sent to
resolve the challenges around delivery. He admitted that they had been spending
less than half of their budget. He added that the HR plan of the Department was
at its final stages and that the Portfolio Committee on Housing would be
briefed on the restructuring within the Department. He hinted that the Health,
Safety and Environment scheme of the Department had also been improved.
The Chairperson noted that constant restructuring was inimical to the success
of the Department. She also frowned at the practice of shifting funds from one
programme to another. She noted the dissatisfaction of Committee members with
the answers so far given by the Department, and asked that the responses be
forwarded on the following day.
The meeting was adjourned.
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