Umsobomvu Youth Fund and National Youth Commission: briefings on Progress
Social Development
23 May 2007
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SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT PORTFOLIO COMMITTEE
23 May 2007
UMSOBOMVU YOUTH FUND AND NATIONAL YOUTH COMMISSION: BRIEFINGS ON PROGRESS
Chairperson: Ms T Tshivhase (ANC)
Documents handed out:
UYF/NYC
Presentation to the Portfolio Committee
NYC Briefing to the Portfolio
Committee
SUMMARY
The Umsobomvu Youth Fund and the National Youth Commission jointly briefed the
Committee on their programmes targeting youth. They indicated that these
programmes were aligned with various national imperatives on growth and
promotion of youth. Training was geared to try to help the youth access
economic opportunities. 53% of youth were unemployed as of 2004, and there were
200 000 unemployed graduates. Umsobomvu programmes tried to ensure that
products and services were customer focused and opportunity driven, and
reflected integrated development. Some of the programmes were described.
Members were concerned about the access to advisory centres, the lack of focus
on disabled youth and lack of engagement with suggestions made previously for
improving disabled access across a number of spheres, seeming lack of access to
certain racial groups, and sustainability strategies. Several members commented
on the shortage of skills and high vacancy levels in government departments,
which did not appear to tally with the numbers of unemployed, and queried
whether specific strategies had ever been followed, what engagement was
happening at rural level, and the level of proactive engagement with government
departments. They urged Umsobomvu to take more stringent steps and to report
back on progress in six months time. Further questions related to bursaries,
the various structures being used, and funding for post-matric study.
The National Youth Commission briefed the committee on some of its current
programmes, noting that the youth were being encouraged to participate in ward
committees, and that specific programmes were targeting drug abuse and
encouraging mass participation in sport. Some key challenges around
departmental development indicators, liaison with the provincial youth
commissions and funding had already been noted to the Committee dealing with
the review of Chapter 9 institutions. An
overview was given of the National Youth Service Programme, on which the
National Youth Commission and Umsobomvu worker jointly, which was a second
economy government initiative to engage young people in service activities
aimed at nation building and learning opportunities. The models were tabled and
discussed and some of the challenges outlined. Funding was a major challenge.
This programme also went further to try to recruit volunteers to assist in
needy communities. Questions by Members related to the number of trainees, the
annual budget, the problems of infrastructure that hindered sport
participation, details of the anti-drug campaign and what the Commission was
doing to fulfil its obligations in terms of reporting on that campaign,
the need to involve municipalities, whether efforts had been made to include
religious groups and political parties in social programmes, challenges in
publicising the programmes, and the need to strengthen cooperation also with
the Department of Social Development.
MINUTES
Umsobomvu Youth Fund (UYF) and National Youth Commission (NYC) Joint
briefing
Ms Ankie Motsoahae, Manager, National Youth Service Programme, NYC and Ms
Lucy Hlubi, Director, Umsobomvu Youth Fund, stated that they had prepared a detailed
presentation on the work the two organisations were doing. The presentation
would be looking at the national imperatives within which the work was
structured, and how their work was aligned with the Accelerated Shared Growth
Initiative for South Africa (ASGISA), the Joint Initiative for Priority Skills
for South Africa (JIPSA), the programme of action with government, and
priorities that related to the development of youth.
Ms Lucy Hlubi noted that the ASGISA strategy provided a framework within
which the programmes were conceptualised. She elaborated on the pillars of the
ASGISA programme. She noted that the Youth development priorities were based on
those defined in the 2007 President’s State of the Nation Address. The
programmes that Umsobomvu ran aimed specifically to train young people so that
they could and did access economic opportunities. According to the Labour Force
Survey in 2001, 48.5% of youth were unemployed, and by 2004 this had increased
to 53.3%, which was an indication that much needed to be done to create
opportunities for the youth. There were 200 000 unemployed graduates and most
of those unemployed graduates were not able to access economic opportunities
because of lack of qualifications.
The UYF’s approach to youth development was based on ensuring that the products
and services were customer focused and opportunity driven. Not all young people
were at the same level of development so programmes were structured to respond
to these differing needs. Programmes were structured to take care of young
people in Category 1 (amounting to more than 50% of unemployed youth) who were
unskilled and unemployed and who mainly had only a matric, or had dropped out
of school with no vocational skills. Here, UYF would identify opportunities and
provide access to finance. Training programmes responded to needs.
UYF also reflected integrated youth development. It identified opportunities,
looked at the target market, and customised programmes for the specific needs
to the end stage of opportunities where a young person became employed and was
able to generate an income.
Ms Hlube tabled a list of the UYF Products and Services and service delivery
channels.
Discussion
Ms H Bogopane-Zulu (ANC) noted that the UYF and the Youth Commission worked together.
However, because they had two separate identities, she thought it would be
important to engage the UYF first and in that way the correlation between the
youth service programmes could become clearer.
She noted that the programme seemed to leave out certain people, and was not
suitable to blind people and their needs. She asked that this be registered.
She had previously raised this issue in earlier discussions but there was still
no progress, nor had any strategy plan been presented to ensure that disabled
young people benefited, or that graduates with disabilities were able to get
employment.
Ms Bogopane Zulu referred to the advisory centres, and said that she had
several times raised the points of accessibility, sign language, infrastructure
and access. At some centres it was impossible for people even to get into the
centre, let alone receive advice and pamphlets. It was important to make sure
that disabled young people were in fact respected, and not that empty promises
were made.
Ms Bogopane Zulu noted that UYF also had a Tele Youth Connect, and that when
this programme was designed, she had made input and stressed that it must also
have an SMS service so that deaf people could also receive information. She had
been promised it would be implemented and asked why that was still not
available.
Ms Hlubi responded that access of products and services to young people with
disabilities had been a shortcoming for the Fund. Fortunately the UYF had
realised the existence of the challenge and had come up with a framework that
it would be utilising internally to make sure that opportunities were created,
and to ensure they prioritised young people with disabilities. When recruiting
for programmes UYF would stipulate that a certain percentage must be young people
with disabilities. However, a number of other challenges were encountered.
Often service providers would say they were not able to access young people
with disabilities, and did not know where to find them. UYF had then done
research and realised they had to work with institutions that were involved
specifically with young people with disabilities. The Fund had developed a
framework to guide the work they were doing, and would be happy to share that
with the Committee. One of the activities this year was a campaign focusing on
taking a disabled young person to work, similar to the “take a girl child to
work” programme. UYF was also addressing the issue of the quota for young
people with disabilities.
Ms Bogopane-Zulu asked for clarification as to how achievement was measured.
Ms Bogopane Zulu noted that in her constituency of Pretoria Central there were
a lot of concerns around white young people accessing the services of UYF for
vouchers and other benefits. This point did not appear to have been included in
the remarks on access.
Ms Hlubi stated that Umsobomvu did not deliberately exclude young people from
other racial groups. Because of the historical past, young people who were
invited to be part of the programmes would mainly be African youth. There was
also a need to reach out to young people who were not necessarily African so
that they too became aware of the work being done and to stress that Umsobomvu
was not only for African youth. South Africa was a cosmopolitan country and
constituted of young people from all the different racial groups. UYF would be
reaching out to young people from white communities so that they also became
familiar with the projects and programmes of Umsobomvu.
Ms Bogopane Zulu asked whether the UYF had a strategy on sustainability and the
follow up to the entrepreneurs. The strategy to assist young people in starting
a business was one thing, but keeping it going was crucial and difficult over a
number of years.
Ms Hlubi noted that the support to young people was integrated youth
development, so when a young person accessed a loan from Umsobomvu it was in
the UYF’s interests that the person succeeded in the business, and therefore
UYF would provide a mentor from the very beginning until that young person’s
business became sustainable and they would be able to repay the loan. This was
necessary to ensure that there was a continuous availability of funding for
other young people.
Adv T Masutha (ANC) noted that he was partly sighted, and would prefer to
receive documents in Braille.
Adv Masutha was not quite clear as to whether UYF was a statutory body, and
asked its exact responsibilities and its core business, which had not come out
clearly from the presentation.
Adv Masutha noted that the issue of youth unemployment was the core challenge
before the Committee. He had the perception that there were vacancies in both
the public and private sector, and vacancies at various levels requiring a
divergence of skills. For instance, the Chairperson of the Portfolio Committee
on transport had mentioned a 41% vacancy rate in Department of Transport. He
had some difficulty in reconciling the lack of employment with the vacancies
that could not be filled. He asked why it was still apparently impossible to
match young people who were trainable to vacancies, and why experience was
still being bandied as such a vital requirement. Adv Masutha asked whether UYF
or NYC ever went to the departments and specifically discussed with their
senior management their situation and possible strategies to address the
problem of youth unemployment. He asked if the departments had internship
programmes to mentor young people to acquire the experience. He believed that
not enough was being done to push opportunities for young people.
Mr Waters noted that there were shortages of teachers and of social workers. If
the Children’s Act was to be implemented properly 26 000 social workers would
be required, and this would rise to 40 000. He asked whether there was
communication with the Departments of Social Development and Education. The
universities were not producing enough social workers. He asked if
consideration had been given to taking an unused training college and training
thousands to become social workers. Obviously not everyone could be accommodated,
but certainly the better candidates could be trained as social workers and
teachers. He also asked what communication UYF had with the departments and
what programmes they had regarding lack of skills in the public service.
Ms I Mars (IFP) was concerned that 200 000 graduates were unemployed. She asked
why they were not being head hunted. She asked whether any connection was
established between the UYF and the many government departments that were
advertising. She also asked whether an analysis had been done of the graduates,
the disciplines in which they trained, and why they were unemployable. She
further enquired if UYF would go to the schools and do career counselling,
having established where the shortage occurred, to encourage youth to enter careers
where there were shortages.
Ms Hlubi responded that unfortunately the country was still in a situation
where the tertiary institutions were continuing to churn out young people with
qualifications that were not necessarily relevant to the needs of the economy,
and there was a need for all to work together to ensure that that particular
challenge was addressed. The main challenge was with the education system that
could produce 200 000 unemployed graduates when there were vacancies in so many
fields. Companies and government
departments advertised every day, but they were not able to fill some of the
vacancies because suitable qualifications were not available. Some companies
would want someone with work experience and would not take on new graduates. That
was a challenge because young people were not afforded the opportunity to do
practical training as part of their academic qualifications, and were thereby
already excluded when they left the tertiary institution.
Ms Hlubi noted the need for teachers and social workers. She pointed out that
UYF was not a training institution, but worked very closely with the higher
education institutions to ensure they were able to deliver the programmes
relevant to the economy. Through the National Youth Service Programme they
would be training young people to become auxiliary social workers, which had
been identified as one of the scarce skills in the country. Umsobomvu also
worked closely with Further Education and Training (FET) colleges to make sure
that programmes were aligned to the needs of the economy.
Adv Masutha referred to his question as to why the young people were not being
absorbed, and asked if UYF was actively engaging these people. He noted that
when he had worked in government he had seen young people being employed as
clerks, who had no post-matric qualifications, but who managed to start
correspondence courses with their pay, eventually moving up to professional
posts when they had qualified. He asked what UYF was doing to facilitate this
type of arrangement.
Ms Bogopane-Zulu did not think the strategy was good enough. It had been put
forward for the last two years, and she had offered specific guidance to UYF on
what were the issues for disabled young people, noting the challenges and how
these could be addressed. Nothing specific had been done. There were
organisations of disabled people, including one for unemployed blind teachers
who, in spite of the shortage of teachers, were not being employed. She pointed
out that UYF had been in existence for six years yet were still making the
excuse that it acknowledged the problem. The “Take a disabled young person to
work” campaign would come and go, yet was getting the same effort as all the
other things. Disability campaigns should not be an add-on. Anything developed
must benefit disabled people directly, and they should not be an afterthought.
Umsobomvu was not taking the issue seriously enough. UYF could really begin to
address problems. She was sure that of the 41% vacancy rate in the Department
of Transport a substantial number would be administrative posts. If the battle
to employ disabled people and the youth was to be won, it must be tackled
through government. Government posts were not all hi-tech. Whether this
resulted from lack of capacity within the Fund, or human responsibility, UYF
was clearly not meeting its obligations or mandate and there was a need to
establish what exactly the problem was.
Adv Masutha added that this Committee had not had a researcher for some time.
He personally would be happy with an inexperienced graduate from university,
who could be trained as a researcher. It was better to have somebody doing the
work than to have the vacancy open for years. The Committee should stop being
diplomatic, and bluntly get to the crux of the problem. It may be that the
Committee had to start writing unequivocal letters, else the situation would
continue.
The Chairperson appreciated all the points raised by Members and urged UYF to
make things happen.
Ms Hlubi responded that the Fund was responsible for creating linkages between
unemployed graduates and opportunities. It was a fairly new programme, and
initially the focus was mainly on the private sector, but it was now reaching
out to government departments. Eighteen government departments had been
contacted to enable them to prioritise youth development or the job database.
The President had also issued a directive that all government departments must
make use of the jobs database but the response had not been satisfactory. UYF
acknowledged that more needed to be done to reach out to government departments
and ensure that they made use of the jobs database.
Ms M Gumede (ANC) asked which departments UYF had approached and what the
response was.
Ms Hlubi explained that UYF wrote to eighteen government departments, with an
appeal to use the jobs database.
Mr Masutha proposed that this not be taken any further. The message from the
Committee was clear and Members did not believe UYF was doing enough. Young
people were missing out on opportunities and that was very disappointing. If
UYF was to ensure that the numbers of young people unemployed dropped, he was
not convinced that their approach was likely to have significant short term
impact. He believed UYF must reflect on their tactics. He would have expected a
follow up to the eighteen letters, where these had not resulted in action. This
was a national priority and could not be treated as just one of the many sets
of activities. If UYF needed assistance from another authority this could be done.
Somebody must be prepared to train and nurture, otherwise skills would never
develop, and the youth must be prepared to go through such programmes.
Mr M Waters (DA) referred to the 18% increase in unemployment in the youth,
from 2001 to 2004. He asked what age group this referred to.
The Chairperson said that during
oversight visits it was really pathetic to see unemployed youth filling the
centres, and resorting to drugs. When asked why, they responded that they could
not get funds. They were frustrated with UYF, and the Committee felt that it
was time for action.
Ms Bogopane-Zulu proposed that UYF give feedback to the Committee on progress
on these matters in six months time. She would like Umsobomvu to do an audit of
their advisory centres, especially in respect of infrastructure access and
location, because it was sometimes impossible for young people to get to these
centres, and were far away from where the people lived. She wanted to know how
many advisory centres existed, how many were subcontracted, how many were not
accessible, where the nearest public transport was in relation to the centres
and whether the youth were reached through the centres. Ms Bogopane Zulu was
very passionate about youth unemployment, and always checked vacancy adverts to
see where disabled young people could be placed. She would like to see UYF’s
recruitment strategy. She suggested that since every university had a Disabled
Students Movement; surely these could provide UYF with a database of all
students with disabilities who had graduated in the last number of years. The
excuse that they were unable to find such young people was pathetic. There were
also special schools for young people with disabilities. UYF could already
start to engage with those young people now, run a road show to the special
schools, get a sense of what subjects the disabled matric students were doing,
and what their dreams and expectations were. That could establish a far more
sustainable programme with follow-up than the “take a disabled person to work”
campaign.
Ms Mars referred back to interaction with government departments, and said that
the Committee needed to know what the responses were in order to be able to
assist by calling non- departments to account.
She asked how long UYF expected it would take to interact with the
departments to set up personal interviews and report back to the committee.
Mr Elrico van Rooyen, Acting CEO, National Youth Commission, responded that the
UYF had had a meeting with Rev Frank Chikane in the Office of the Presidency,
and this matter had been put on the agenda for the Interdepartmental Committee
on Youth Affairs. This had met last week with the new members from national
departments, and it was agreed to meet monthly and not quarterly in order to come
up with a clear response to the challenges. The Director General in the
Presidency had been asked to assist with matters of accountability, and the
DG’s forum would assist in internship issues for graduates, and unblocking
bottlenecks. The specific issue of placing graduates in government departments
would be on the agenda for July. In addition on 18 June the Youth Development
Forum would be launched, between the UYF, NYC and CEOs of companies, with a
view to the business sector creating more opportunities for young people. That
would also be the key agenda item for the Presidential Youth Working Group
sitting on 5 June.
The Chairperson asked whether the information was reaching the rural youth.
Ms Gumede asked if there were advisory centres in the rural areas, or whether
these were concentrated in the large towns.
Ms Hlubi replied that one of the responsibilities of the Youth Advisory Centres
was to provide information to young people. She would send specifics as to
where the Youth Advisory points were located, and which rural youth they
serviced. There was fair representation as would appear from the breakdown of
locations in the nine provinces.
Ms Gumede stated that there were constituency centres throughout the nine
provinces and asked if UYF would also go there, because most of the youth were
using those constituency offices.
Adv Masutha explained that those constituency offices were run by Members of
Parliament who were activists in their own respective political parties, and
provided centres for youth structures, branches, zones
and agents could meet or hold workshops. Government used these for outreach and
utilising available resources in the community, and there was indeed access to
a lot of the potential client base. Simply feeding constituency offices with
information could be another access point as well.
Adv Masutha asked about access to funding for training for education and
bursaries. He wondered why students were reliant on loans when there were
bursaries, and whether access to bursaries was a problem. There was also a
rumour that universities would withhold results or expel young people who could
not afford the fees. He was sure that the business sector had resources, and
asked for explanation of where young people could apply for bursaries.
Mr van Rooyen responded that NYC had set up a National Youth Stakeholder Forum
last year, as well as sector forums so that information could be filtered
through and accessed by youth at the forums or schools. UYF was in the process
of finalising an agreement with the National Library to have youth corners
where information could be sent, for instance, on bursaries.
Ms Bogopane-Zulu asked what the relationship was with those structures. She
cautioned against establishing strings of structures that were not related to
anything. She noted that there might be legislative requirements around
establishment of committees.
Mr van Rooyen clarified that the NYC had a role, in terms of its mandate, to
coordinate youth structures. Maybe his use of wording was not correct. He
explained that the sectors were the Youth in Business sector and the religious
youth sector. They were organised and the NYC simply coordinated these national
structures to sit on a quarterly basis and had consultations with them around
youth issues. They were not new structures. The aim was better and improved
coordination with a better flow of information. NYC also had discussions with
the South African Local Government Association (SALGA) to ensure that there
were not conflicting guidelines for youth development at local government. It
was agreed that SALGA would operate under one set of
guidelines on youth involvement and youth development. Young people were
encouraged to participate in ward committees and these committees were also
used to disseminate information. Those discussions were currently under way.
Adv Masutha noted that a goodly proportion of the unemployed who had matric or
less probably could not get a post matric qualification because they lacked
resources for further training. He asked if the NYC or UYF had met with the
Department of Education to look at what strategies were in place to mobilise
more resources towards funding post matric studies. He asked if the NYC were
engaging with business to ask how much of their profit was ploughed back into
making bursaries available and growing the skills of the country by assisting
those who had the potential but not had the resources. In other words, were the
youth funds acting as a catalyst for change.
Ms Gumede noted there were youth on street corners running small stalls, and
asked if they had ever been asked about their standard of education, whether
they were doing what they were trained to do, and what they would like to do.
She was sure that many did not have funds for education.
Mr van Rooyen clarified that the Interdepartmental Committee on Youth Affairs
was set up specifically to address challenges of the placement of graduates in
departments. There had been discussion at this Committee bursaries and how to
improve young people’s access to the bursaries. It was not simply a question of
making information available. Many did not actually apply for them. Grade 12
teachers used to help learners to apply for bursaries or apply to universities,
but this was no longer being done. The NYC was working with the Department of
Education to assist in getting young people to apply for bursaries before they
left school. The universities would visit high schools and make schools and
pupils aware of the opportunities were. The Commission would like universities
to extend that to youth centres and community imbizos. The challenge was that
the nature of bursaries had also changed over the last 30 years, and many
companies would only offer bursaries after completion of the first year oft
study, because of the huge drop out rate.
Mr van Rooyen added that the Youth Development Forum’s first meeting would also
ask state owned enterprises (SOEs) to adapt their bursary guidelines to assist
unemployed young people who had been out of the education system for a number
of years. Some enterprises were coming up with very good models, for example
the SAB Kick-Start model that helped to train in business skills. Start-up
funding, coaching, and incubation would be provided. The Youth Development
Forum would like to see this model taken further.
National Youth Commission (NYC) Briefing on current programmes
Mr E Van Rooyen briefed the Committee on some of the current programmes of the
NYC, noting that these were linked in particular to ASGISA, JIPSA, and the Expanded
Public Works Programme (EPWP). The National Youth Service Programme (NYSP) was
run in partnership with the UYF, focusing on the key areas where young people
acquired skills while rendering services. The Youth Development Practitioners
Learnership (YDPL) would be done in partnership with SALGA and was due to start
in September 2007. This would increase the involvement of young people in local
municipalities and increase their involvement in the ward committees, which
would then enable the Commission to have increased flow of information and
access to programmes. Other programmes existed to address substance abuse,
because it was often found that those abusing drugs did so because they had no
other form of recreation. Therefore one of the alternatives was to set up
programmes to get young people to participate in sport, whether they were still
at schools or
in communities. This was in line with the Mass Participation in Sport
programme. However, it must also be recognised that other youth would prefer
arts and culture and here there were also programmes.
Mr van Rooyen noted that the review of the Chapter 9 institutions was ongoing,
and some key issues and challenges had been placed before the Committee dealing
with the process. It was indicated, amongst others, that the policy on youth
should become a national guideline for all eighteen departments because it
would be clear on youth development indicators. In addition it was recommended
that the NYC should be able to interact much more closely with the provincial
youth commissions (PYC). The Premier’s offices should strengthen the PYCs to be
able to deliver on their mandate and the Joint Monitoring Committee should
increase its oversight role to bring PYCs also to account, because although
they did not account to the National Youth Commission, they were key to
implementing campaigns and programmes.
Ms Motsoahae gave a brief overview on the National Youth Service Programme,
indicating that on this programme NYC was working with the UYF and its
specialised unit on youth service. She explained that the National Youth
Service was a second economy government initiative launched in 2004 to engage
young people in service activities that were aimed at nation building whilst
providing opportunities for learning.
The objectives of the NYS were to inculcate the spirit of patriotism through
reconstruction. During the struggle people were willing to give their services
to communities, but after democracy were unsure what contribution they could
make to society. The NYS was making a concerted effort to indicate that young
people could make valuable contributions to society. It provided opportunities
for young people to communicate in bridge-building their opportunities, and
inculcated a spirit of nationhood and patriotism among the young people. The
truth of the matter was that there was a shortage of skills in South Africa,
and NYS was aimed at finding ways in which those people who had left school at
Grade 8 level or less could still contribute within the communities,
gain skills and thereby become better people. She gave an example of engagement
in a national housing project where young people, mostly from rural areas, who
had left school at an early stage without any livelihood or the necessary
skills to access economic opportunities, were asked to work in construction
projects. Gradually they became skilled in areas of construction and quite a
number of them had bettered themselves and were now
participating in the economy. Some had become entrepreneurs, and had set up
construction companies as a result of the certificates awarded. This also
addressed the levels of unemployment.
The NYS model consisted of three pillars: structured learning, individual
development and exit opportunities.
Any learning was accredited. Individual development was addressed through
individuals being able to complete programmes, which not only gave them
specific skills but also were directed to life skills and programmes focusing
on patriotism and nation building. Exit opportunities were very important and
addressed the issue of employment. Many young people who were involved in a NYS
project opted to become entrepreneurs, or decided to go on to FET colleges or
to universities. The CTS programme allowed for participants to be absorbed into
the private sector, and provided access to finance for tertiary study. NYS
continued to provide after care support, and had started tracking of young
people through an audit exercise, that provide information on the impact of
NYS.
It was noted that Ms Hlubi headed the National Youth Service Unit within
Umsobomvu, Ms
Motsoahae headed the National Youth Service in the NYC, and that the Minister
and President coordinated the functions of the NYS through both institutions.
The Presidency and Policy Unit was also involved. The programme had been
implemented since 1994 and it was quickly discovered that this programme would
not make any impact if good relationships were not forged with government
departments. Therefore the implementers met Directors General and officials to
encourage them to come on board to help implement these programmes.
It was further discovered that it was essential to have proper orientation at
the beginning of the NYS programmes. The programmes to produce accredited
skills lasted around eighteen months and during that time participants would
receive an allowance of R100 in accordance with the implementation plan.
However, that was in the process of review, and it was noted that despite this
some people would leave
part-way through a programme, having got a sense of opportunities
for employment elsewhere. Others would simply drop out. A possible way to
address these problems was to undergo more vigorous training that would seek to
address the levels at the beginning of the projects.
Ms Motsoahae suggested that the Committee should perhaps hear the input from
one or two young people who had been through a NYS programme, who could tell
who they were before the programme, and what they had become because of the
course.
Ms Motsoahae noted that funding remained a challenge. Since the Deputy
President had come on board there had been some improvements, and there was a
closer relationship being developed. Communication was vital. This was a huge
programme and many countries were able to rate their development goals through
the NYS programme, and the more visible it was to young people through
television, radios or billboards, the more this contributed to the country,
patriotism and nationhood.
The specific projects for 2007/08 were outlined, and it was indicated that
these were in areas such as health and hygiene, and programmes for the care of
vulnerable children, where 300 youth had been trained to support child headed
households. The ‘Big Brother’ / ‘Big Sister’ mentorship was an initiative where
employed youth and adults would volunteer their services for the benefit of
vulnerable communities, for example helping young people access grants where
needed, or help and mentor a particular family with their various needs. This
would also assist in setting up lines for times of crisis.
The CEO had touched on the promotion of health, lifestyle and risky behaviour.
The NYS would be delivering a huge national programme for young people and
talking to other young people about living a less risky life.
Discussion
Mr Waters asked how many youth had gone through the programme since 2004, and
what was envisaged as the maximum number of youth that could be taken through
the programme in any given year.
Ms Motsoahae said that the numbers were largely informed by the President’s
State of the Nation Address. This year 30 000 young people were to be included
in the second category model of the NYS. The normal NYS programme was meant to
accommodate about 20 000 people. However, a directive had been issued this year
to work with 50 000 and she assumed next year this would be expected to go
higher.
Ms Hlubi informed the Committee that to date the NYS programme had trained 50
000 young people.
Mr Waters noted that the youth could volunteer for work and gain certification
and accreditation. However, he wondered whether youth who helped families in
applying for grants or ID books were really being enabled to do something for
themselves once they left the programme.
Ms Motsoahae noted that young people that were engaged in helping people access
services at Home Affairs were not in the first category of NYS, which was
intended to help young people get skills and certification. The assistance to
families was at the volunteer level of providing service, not gaining skills.
Ms Hlubi added that Category 1 trainees received the kind of training that
would enable them to access opportunities. Young people might be trained on
community development so that at the end of the day they were able to use that
qualification on exit to develop on opportunities around community development.
Mr Waters asked what the annual budget was for the Youth Commission, and how
much it received from government every year.
Ms Hlubi stated that R80 million had been allocated by National Treasury to
implement the National Youth Service Programme, although this did not cover all
the costs of the programme. Government departments had to budget for costs
related to training, and they also provided the stipend and supported in
providing service opportunities, as well as helping in identifying exit
opportunities. That R80 million covered activities like basic development
training, entrepreneurship training that was done by the unit, project
management support, and all the costs relating to other forms of training. NYS
was now in the process of rounding up the eighteen government departments to
find out how much each department had set aside for the NYS programme so they
could get an idea of the holistic budget.
Mr van Rooyen added that NYC’s total budget was R20.2 million, which explained
why they had capacity challenges, as compared to the budget for this programme
alone. The NYS unit needed to be strengthened to be able to unblock more
opportunities for young people. Currently there was neither the staff nor the budget to do that.
Mr Waters noted that the attempts to get children to participate in sport were
noble, but there was a major difficulty in lack of sports facilities, both in
rural areas and in townships, particularly of facilities such as swimming pools
or netball courts. He asked what NYC was doing to ensure those facilities were
being provided.
Mr van Rooyen noted that part of the campaign around the mass mobilisation of
young people in sport did also focus on the issue of facilities in rural areas.
In Mdantsane in the Eastern Cape NYC and UYF were bringing in
business and talking to local government. Two beautiful stadiums were
situated in East London right next door to each other, while Mdantsane lacked
sports infrastructure. Meetings had been held with the local Metro to try to take these games
to these areas in order to make them aware if they wanted the programmes to be
sustainable, then infrastructure and upgrading of facilities must take place.
Mr Waters asked for more details on the We Don’t Do Drugs Campaign, in
particular how many schools had been approached, who was going to the schools
and who was doing the training.
According to two parliamentary replies he received from the Minister of
Social Development, the National Drug Master Plan required NYC to provide a
mini drug programme every year in April. However, NYC had apparently failed to do that
last year, despite getting two extensions, and had also failed to provide, by
31 March, a report to the Central Drug
Authority on the progress of implementation of the mini drug plan. He asked if
this information was correct, and how a drug campaign could be run without the
plans having been submitted.
Mr van Rooyen explained that NYC’s member who was mainly responsible for the
drug programme had left, creating a major void that
NYC was now in the process of filling. The campaign had not been launched yet
because of this void and capacity problems, and NYC
had indeed been unable to meet certain obligations. The Commission was dealing with
those internal capacity problems. The drug programme the Commission had
participated in during the 2007 Summit this year was but one programme,
and it must be noted that there were numerous other programmes and eighteen
other departments to deal with. NYC was busy responding to all those challenges and
dealing with them. In addition, there needed to be synergy between the Ke Moja
Drug Education Programme and the NYC Drug Plan. NYC were
not implementing agents, although they were often expected to implement pilot
programmes, which was simply not in their function. He hoped that the ad hoc
committee dealing with the review of Chapter 9 institutions would be able to
strengthen their role, or give a clear guidance as to exactly what their role
was expected to be.
Adv Masutha commended the presentation. However, he noted that one of the
problems identified with interacting with the youth on substance abuse was the
proliferation of drug syndicates and the growing supply that made drugs more
freely and cheaply available. Other problems were that youth were unengaged,
bored, poor and not sufficiently socially active. Sponsorship was needed. In
addition SALGA needed to become involved because everybody was complaining that
the municipalities were not coming on board; to participate in the local drug
forums and other structures where these issues could be confronted. Adv Masutha
indicated that several years ago there were social, political or religious
activities, but now there seemed to be a drop generally in such activities, so
that young people seemed to spend more time in shebeens and bars. He asked if
there were strategies to mobilise churches or political parties to encourage
them to run programmes to nurture their constituency.
Mr van Rooyen noted that the Youth Moral Regeneration Programme would be
launched this year and would specifically be targeting religious youth because
they were the largest constituency and were not involved in government
programmes. They would be one of the key focus areas to bring them into the
mainstream programmes of government. NYC was working on this as well.
Ms X Makasi (ANC) asked how NYS programmes were conveyed to the youth. Few
youths in her constituency were a part of this programme. When youths were sent
to the UYF they became disillusioned and said they did not receive anything and
therefore had lost hope.
Ms Motsoahae noted that there were challenges to iron out with all the
stakeholders regarding the recruitment of young people. Recruitment was done
through provincial commissions on the understanding that they must liase and
understand the needs of young people. They worked with the South African Youth
Council (SAYC) and with other youth formations. NYC and UYF tried to bring
everybody on board, including government departments. She would attempt to take
the matter further.
The Chairperson commented that the Committee had wanted Mr van Rooyen to brief
it apart from the other departments of government. It wanted to know what was the feeling of the UYF regarding issues like the moral
regeneration programme. The Committee’s interaction had been based on
concerns that certain services were not being delivered at ground level. At a
future meeting a report back would be needed.
Ms Nomathemba Kela, Chief Director, Department Social Development (DSD),
commented that there were a lot of areas where DSD collaborated with the NYC
and there was room to strengthen that collaboration, particularly in areas such
as disability, and ensuring that they should support each other in reaching out
to disabled youth. In many of the matters raised, a number of different department were already contributing indirectly and so DSD
needed to look at how to quantify that participation. As an example, DSD was
already targeting young people to enter training programmes for auxiliary
social workers, and that needed to be quantified so that the Youth Commission’s
support was seen in context.
Ms Kela agreed that the issue of substance abuse was quite critical. She called
on NYC to assist, especially now that they were working towards the annual
report of the Central Drug Authority, at which NYC had a representative.
Participation from all the departments was necessary, and if this was not
forthcoming then it must be reported to Parliament or to Cabinet. The departments were
committed to the programme as a whole. She said that it was enlightening to
hear the presentations.
The meeting was adjourned.
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