Qualified Audit Reports 2005/06; Integrated Financial Management Systems: briefing by National Treasury
Public Accounts (SCOPA)
23 May 2007
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STANDING
COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC ACCOUNTS (SCOPA)
23 May 2007
QUALIFIED AUDIT REPORTS 2005/06; INTEGRATED FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS:
BRIEFING BY NATIONAL TREASURY
Chairperson: Mr T Godi (PAC)
Documents handed out:
National
Treasury: Audit Outcomes 2005/ 2006
Integrated Financial
Management Systems (IFMS)
Report
of the Auditor-General on audit outcomes for the financial year 2005/06
SUMMARY
The National Treasury
team presented on it audit outcomes for 2005/06. Its focus was on the
improvements and challenges related to audit reports received from government
departments and public entities. They also looked at the consultative nature of
policy development, capacity building and improvement of financial controls
within government.
A presentation on the Integrated Management System (IFMS) was also delivered.
The objectives of the IFMS is to consolidate and replace aging financial
systems with modern integrated financial management systems solutions.
MINUTES
The National Treasury team who made the presentation to SCOPA consisted of
Mr Lesetja Kganyago (Director-General: National Treasury), Mr Freeman Nomvalo
(Accountant General), Mr Nols du Plessis (Chief Director: Specialist
Services),and Mr Bobby Maake (Chief Director: Systems)
Mr Freeman Nomvalo (Accountant General) focused on National Treasury's
initiatives to deal with the qualifications issued by the Auditor General after
auditing the 2005/06 financial statements of departments and public entities.
He gave an overview of where national departments are in terms of qualified
audit opinions. In 2004/05, they had 7 qualified audit reports, 3 clean audit
reports and 26 unqualified but with "emphasis of matters". In
2005/06, the figures were 11 qualified audit reports, 4 clean audit reports and
21 unqualified but with "emphasis of matters". He pointed out that
Treasury kept increasing the compliance requirements for departments, because
they are moving from purely cash-based accounting to more comprehensive accounting.
With regards to Provincial Departments the percentage of unqualified audit
opinions for 2005/06 was 55% (compared to 67% in 2004/05). Percentages for
unqualified audit reports for Public Entities was 60% (compared to 84% in
2004/05).
Audit concerns noted the following trends: internal audit and audit committees,
risk management, internal controls, performance information and asset
management.
Risk management had taken a back seat in the provinces. Consequently, the
department has increased capacity with regards to risk management in the past
year. A lot of qualification issues in audit reports relate to a lack of
internal controls. Either there are no policies in place or the policies are
not being followed.
Mr Nomvalo indicated that asset management is the biggest item in government
that must be controlled.
With regards to Treasury initiatives, they intended to revise the Internal
Audit Framework and tighten areas that needs to be controlled. Treasury staff
had been deployed to sit in the audit committees in various departments to
respond to issues that come up, together with departments.
An internal audit indaba was hosted to bring internal auditors together to
share information and success stories.
In compliance with international standards there is a continual check on the
health of internal audits within departments at least every five years. Mr
Nomvalo’s office facilitates a quality assurance review with departments which
points out weaknesses and what needs to be done.
Treasury is reviewing their risk management framework. They have acquired a
user friendly risk management tool which was made available to all departments.
Training sessions were done and a risk management forum was established to
enable them to share information and experiences.
An Internal Control Framework as well as a Performance Information Framework
had been developed. A Financial Management Training Strategy was also
developed. Other initiatives of Treasury includes asset management, an early
warning report, materiality framework, monthly management reports, supply chain
management reports and implementation of Generally Recognised Accounting
Practice (GRAP).
SCOPA had posed
written questions which asked how Treasury ensured conformity between the
different accounting standards which includes GRAP, Generally Accepted Accounting
Principles (GAAP), International
Standards and Municipal Audit Standards. Mr Nomvalo indicated that due to the
different natures of public entities, municipalities and government
departments, the National Treasury prescribes different reporting frameworks.
Generally Accepted Municipality Accounting Standards (GAMAP) is the only
standards that might have some inconsistencies with other standards. GRAP
standards uses exactly the same principles as GAAP. The only difference is with
regards to public sector specific issues for instance regarding taxes . Public
sector standards however are aligned to private sector standards as far as
possible.
With regards to helping the departments with capacity, Mr Nomvalo indicated
that any new reforms that are introduced follows a consulation process followed
by a policy document or framework. Workshops are held to assist and support
departments with new policies. Treasury requires cooperation from departments.
With regards to SCOPA's written question on what guidelines are in place to
develop policies in departments, Mr Nomvalo indicated that Treasury’s process
is similar to the aforementioned consultation process being followed to support
departments.
With regards to progress with the Amendment Bill for the Public Finance
Management Act (PFMA), Mr Nols du Plessis (National Treasury) said that good
progress has been made. They are still busy with an internal consultation
process but will soon submit the Bill to the Director General and the Minister
for approval in order to take consultations outside the Treasury. Their
legislative programme indicates submission to Cabinet on the 22 August and
tabling at Parliament by the end of October.
Discussion
Mr E Trent (Inkatha Freedom Party) asked what NT’s view is on the
Division of Revenue Act issue which is a serious problem. Departments indicated
that some of the conditions attached to funds are too onerous for them to
comply with. Mr Trent asked if NT can look at making conditions less onerous
but still effective.
Mr Trent also asked Treasury to unpack their risk management tool. He requested
feedback on performance contracts within the various departments
Mr M Stephens (DA) said that risk management and internal audit functions are
internationally recognised as a problem area. Internal auditors do not
necessarily understand financial risk management. He asked to what extent are
skills training done to address this.
Mr T Bonhomme (ANC) asked why Treasury did not isolate or quarantine those
departments, such as Defence, Correctional Services and Home Affairs, that had
problems with qualified reports.
With regards to onerous conditions, Mr L Kganyago indicated that these
conditions are negotiated with departments. Conditions are revised every year
and departments need to make input regarding conditions. Departments need to be
specific and indicate to Treasury what specific conditions are unreasonable.
Mr Kganyago said that performance contracts and staff should be assessed in
terms of these contracts.
Regarding Treasury’s risk management, Mr Kganyago said that they use a
cost-at-risk model. Treasury reviewed the treasury operations of big state
owned enterprises to determine the likelihood of guarantees given to state
enterprises being called. Mr Nomvalo added that the risk management tool gives
them the ability to host information about risk such as risk rating across
departments. The risk management tool ensures that there is not duplication of
effort. There is a conceptual difference between risk management and internal
audit functions. In smaller organisations the function could be done by one
individual. Internal auditors need to be up-skilled to deal with risk
management issues. In the past year internal audit training was done and
problem areas were identified which will be focused on.
A committee member asked Treasury what advice was given to the Department of
Justice given that first they had three years of qualified reports, then clean
reports for two years followed by a qualified report again in 2005/06. A
question was also posed on how Audit Committees are appointed.
Mr Bonhomme asked who the Accounting Officer is in a case where there is a
Commissioner and Chief Executive Officers (CEO) within state institution.
Mr Trent asked what Treasury does when public entities do not submit their
accounts. He also asked which legislation indicates who audits performance
information. In terms of the Public Audit Act, the Auditor General (AG) audits
performance information, but the PMFA might have the same provisions. He asked
whether these provisions would be tightened.
Mr P Gerber (ANC) asked for clarity about top departmental and parastatal
officials who might be members of other boards, and how it might influence the
work that they are supposed to do for departments.
Mr Kganyago replied that DGs are not allowed to serve on any boards. The DG
does not sit on boards because Treasury renders an oversight function. Treasury
officials do sit on other boards, including public entities, but are not
allowed to take remuneration for that.
Mr Kganyago said that the PMFA aims to measure performance information.
Auditing performance information would also be a new function for the Auditor
General.
Mr du Plessis indicated that the Public Audit Act provides for the auditing of
performance information and for performance audits which is different from the
auditing of performance information. The PMFA amendment process will strengthen
non financial performance information but will not include detail. A
Performance Information Framework is being developed which will including
criteria for performance information. This framework is easier to manage as one
can change the framework on a yearly basis.
Mr Nomvalo explained that the Department of Justice did not have effective
financial management over Monies in Trust and this had led to the qualified
report. The other reason for a qualified report was the Department of Justice’s
leave records. Further information on
this was on page 121 and 122 in the Report of the Auditor-General on audit outcomes for
the financial year 2005/06 .
The Acting CFO of that Department is always working closely with Treasury to
resolve these and other issues.
Mr Nomvalo noted that if there is a Commissioner and a Governing Board, then
the Governing Board becomes the Accounting Authority as directed by the PFMA.
The CEO is accountable to the Board and the Board is accountable to the
executive authority. The PFMA is being reviewed and this governance arrangement
will be discussed.
Mr Nomvalo indicated that when public entities do not submit their accounts,
Treasury will write to public entities directly and also through the relevant
Minister to further compliance. In some cases Treasury received feedback. There
has not been punitive measures yet but Treasury has been communicating with
public entities in order to solve these problems.
Mr Nomvalo indicated that Treasury spends a lot of time on capacity building
and training.
Integrated Management System (IFMS)
Mr Bobby Maake (Chief Director: Systems) explained that the objectives of
the IFMS are to consolidate and replace aging financial systems with modern
integrated financial management systems solutions. The IFMS is a mixture of in-house system and
an off-the-shelf system. He said that the challenges they faced included access
to appropriate Information Technology (IT) skills, access to appropriate
functional skills by user departments, alignment of policy implementation with
rollout of system solutions and alignment of departmental core systems with the
IFMS architecture.
Discussion
Mr Bekker asked to what extent SA systems will be based on
international examples for instance from Britain and Australia.
Mr Bonhomme asked to what extent open source technology is being used for the
IFMS. To what extent will existing systems have to be tweaked in order to
communicate with the IFMS?
Mr Maake indicated that Minimum Operability Standards (MIOS) are being defined
and when that is done most systems, including the IFMS, should be able to
integrate seamlessly. All systems that are developed in the interim should also
comply with MIOS.
Mr Maake noted that open source software poses challenges. It is not as open or
as free as is generally stated. There are also issues of support and security.
He indicated that they have adopted open standards which can be integrated with
open source.
With regards to basing IFMS on international examples, Mr Maake said that
off-the-shelf software would require customisation of more than 10% of the
software which is not desirable. While some international off-the-shelf systems
are based on full accrual, Treasury’s system is still based on modified cash.
The IFMS will be fully rolled out by 2011. Different phases of IFMS will be rolled
out and early releases can be expected by 2008/09.
Mr Trent asked if Treasury will be able to train people to use the IFMS. Every
time systems change there is the need to train lots of people.
Mr Maake replied that
usually many people start training but only a small percentage finish training.
There is a need to do something different than just "training"
people. He indicated that computer literacy is still a problem with staff.
The meeting was adjourned.
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