Marine & Living Resources Fund: hearing; & Quarterly briefing by the Accountant-General of National Treasury
Public Accounts (SCOPA)
16 August 2006
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PUBLIC ACCOUNTS STANDING COMMITTEE
16 AUGUST 2006
MARINE AND LIVING RESOURCES FUND: HEARING; AND QUARTERLY BRIEFING BY THE
ACCOUNTANT-GENERAL OF NATIONAL TREASURY
Chairperson: Mr T Godi (ANC)
Documents handed out:
Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism 2002/3 and 2004/2005 Annual
Report (available at www.environment.gov.za)
SUMMARY
A hearing was held on the Marine Living Resources Fund, since the 2002 and
2003 annual reports were qualified, and the 2004 and 2005 reports were
disclaimed. There was a distinct probability that the 2006 report would also be
disclaimed. Members considered the reports under the main topics of governance,
personnel issues, management information systems, policies and procedures and
performance management and reporting. The new management team had come into
office in May 2005 and confirmed that although there were some serious
deficiencies in systems, staff skills and financial reporting, it was working
to overcome these. The Committee concluded that there was a need for a review
of the structure and role of the Fund within the Department of Environmental
Affairs and Tourism, since many staff were simply seconded across and policies
applied without sufficient thought on their impact. The future of the Fund
hinged on the successful implementation of new programmes in April 2007.
A Quarterly Briefing was given by National Treasury, which reported that it had
done an overview of the AG’s 2004/05 report. In total, there were 30
unqualified and six qualified reports from the 36 Departments. The major issues
were listed and identified, by Cluster. The challenges National Treasury faced
included lack of appropriate skills and knowledge; capacity and resource
constraints; poor communication; lack of support by management and auditing
committees, ineffective Auditing Committees and accountability from accounting
officers. It was clear that legislative and institutional frameworks had to be
supported with effective oversight and enforcement, that financial management
must be linked to performance management and there was a need for a better
understanding of audit reports. More oversight structures were required to
prioritise interventions and give increased support to Departments by National
Treasury. A full description and analysis of the steps that National Treasury
had taken was presented. These included steps to set up internal audit
frameworks, to facilitate planning between Departments, to establish a risk
management framework and other structures to assist learning, an asset
management framework, assistance asset registers, formulation of guides and
practice notes and performance information. The South African Management
Development Institute initiatives were summarised. With effect from 2007/8,
templates would be given out to the Departments, the annual reporting cycle
would be shortened and a comprehensive reporting basis established. Much
progress had already been made but there was a need to focus on empowering
oversight structures to ask relevant questions and critique Treasury. Members
raised questions on materiality, and commented on the time when the Auditor
General’s reports could be made available.
MINUTES
Marine Living Resources Fund: Hearing
Governance Arrangements
Mr P Gerber (ANC) reported that the Department of Environment and
Tourism (DENT) had not tabled an annual report for the Marine Living Resources
Fund (MLRF) for four years but had now managed, over the last two months, to
put together a report. The 2002 and 2003 annual reports were qualified and the
2004 and 2005 ones were disclaimed. In all probability the 2006 report was
going to be disclaimed as well. The obvious question was whether this entity
was still viable.
MLRF was a public entity and therefore must be completely transparent and
correct in its financial accountability, showing value for money for the
public. MLRF had been set up in the late 1990s when it was common for
Departments to hive-off some of their activities; often to avoid the need for
complying with financial rules and regulations, affirmative action and
tendering procedures.
MLRF’s main income was derived from levies on fish products, the annual
government grant and the proceeds from the sale of confiscated products. Its
staff were seconded from DENT. It would be in the interests of the public if it
fell under the control of DENT.
MLRF had conceded that its systems of internal control and risk management were
not effective. It had alleged that the Auditor-General (A-G) was responsible
for the failure to table annual reports for four years. Mr Gerber asked DENT
and the A-G to clarify this position.
Ms Pamela Yako (Director-General (DG):DENT) said that it was unclear what was
expected of MLRF, and, given the challenges MLRF faced, there was a need to
revise the current arrangement. This was however, a topic for another meeting.
DENT had not tabled reports for four years and she had therefore tried to
comply by tabling the combined report when she and her team came into office on
1 May 2005. She admitted that problems did exist, but stressed that was taking
steps to redress them.
DENT and the A-G could continue to blame each other, but she would take
responsibility for certain of the failures to comply with the rules. She
confirmed that over the last few years, financial statements were not submitted
on time and the financial controls were inadequate However she assured the
Committee that the current year’s report would be submitted on time.
Mr Shauket Fakie (Auditor-General) said that all audit commitments would have
to continue, regardless of any delay in submitting audit reports. .
Mr Gerber commented that MLRF had purchased, but subsequently abandoned, an
accounting system for R3.2 million. It now indicated that it would spend a
further R5.2 million on another system. He queried why a cheaper system could
not be found. He added that only 34 of its 70 staff posts were filled.
Ms Yako replied that her predecessor had written to this Committee on 1
February 2005 citing problems with the financial system that made it impossible
to produce reports. Her predecessor had instituted legal action against the
consultants who set up the system. Ernst & Young had now developed a new
system that should be fully operational by 1 April 2007. The price of the
system was determined by the market.
Mr Gerber asked why MLRF’s Audit Committee had met only twice during 2004/5,
instead of four times, citing “management unavailability”.
Dr Monde Mayekiso, (Deputy Director General: Marine and Coastal Management,
DENT) said this was a difficult question to answer. Ms Yako added that this
related to their predecessors in office,
so she had no idea why they were allegedly unavailable to attend
meetings.
Mr Gerber asked if the public was getting value for money for abalone if MLRF
received R25 per kilo in levies but sold abalone for R700 per kilo. He
suggested it should review the costing levels to make this fishing more
worthwhile for fishermen. He felt that poaching resulted from such a large gap
in the prices.
Dr Mayekiso replied that MLRF was not happy with the low levy it received but
was unable to raise it as MLRF had to develop cost-recovery framework by March
2007. The levy could be increased thereafter.
Mr A Ismail (Chief Financial Officer (CFO): MLRF) added that it was not MLRF’s
main role to sell abalone, and it had only started to do so two years ago. MLRF
was developing new strategies with regard to abalone, in consultation with the
A-G as this was a stock issue. Once the policy document was in place and had
been signed by the A-G, MLRF would deal with the matter more appropriately..
The Chairperson commented that it really did not help the Committee when
Departments spoke mainly of future events and plans.
The A-G clarified that it was not the role of his office to approve policies,
although it would provide input if needed.
Mr Gerber suggested that it would be useful for MLRF and DENT to do a
cost-benefit analysis of the administration of the abalone industry.
Ms Yako agreed that such analysis would be useful to assess the costs to the
taxpayer, as well as analyse how much of the species remained. It was not only
a financial matter.
Personnel Issues
Ms A Dreyer (DA) commented that only 34 of the 70 posts in MLRF were
filled, and the A-G had highlighted skills shortages as being a major cause of
many of the problems. She asked if MLRF had done a skills audit.
Ms Yako replied that the figure of 70 was a proposed optimal number. The new
team that took office in May 2005 had discovered that the structure of the
organisation was incorrect, but this had since been rectified. All new recruits
had the necessary skills, but existing staff had not. Existing staff had
attended a course in September 2005, achieving good results. Those who lacked
adequate financial skills were redeployed to other parts of the Fund.
Ms Dreyer said that many Departments faced high turnover rates and asked what
retention strategies MLRF proposed.
Ms Yako replied that retention was problematic but MLRF had a programme to improve
its institutional culture, which had been identified by employees as an area of
concern.
Mr H Bekker (IFP) asked the CFO if his office would be able to draw up future
financial statements without assistance from consultants.
Mr Ismail replied that when he joined the Fund on 1 May 2005, the entire
financial function was outsourced. Under his control, this function was taken
back by MLRF on 1 October 2005. All reports were now produced internally.
Implementation of new Management Information System
Mr D Gumede (ANC) asked how the implementation of the system would add
value to the organisation.
Mr Ismail replied that there were two systems being developed that were
scheduled to be completed in November 2006, and then tested in April 2007. One
was the Marine Activity System and the other was the financial system. These
systems would add value to the Fund by ensuring control.
Mr Gumede asked how MLRF was going to ensure the accuracy of the information
from the systems.
Mr Ismail replied that the systems had built-in checks and balances that were
reported at every stage. MLRF was also implementing a three-phase
reconciliation system to ensure that any discrepancies were captured.
Mr Gumede enquired how MLRF would ensure the reliability of the personnel involved.
Ms Yako replied that the disciplinary processes regulated the conduct of the
personnel.
Mr Ismail added that the governing legislation defined certain roles and
responsibilities, such as the authorisation of permits.
Policies and Procedures
Mr R Mofokeng (ANC) said that most of MLRF’s problems arose from
policies and procedures not having being followed. He asked whether MLRF had
any processes in place to review its policies and procedures. He considered
that a completion date should be fixed due to the high staff turnover, and
stressed that he expected definite answers.
Ms Yako replied that DENT’s personnel and administrative policies were directly
applicable to MLRF. However, MLRF was developing its own financial policies.
Performance Measurement and Reporting
Dr A Nkem-Abonta (ANC) commented that the report contained no
indication of pre-determined performance objectives. Performance measures had
to match objectives. The Committee wanted to see programmes initiated and
reasons for spending. Instead, MLRF had only reported that they had demolished
illegal buildings. He enquired whether MLRF had documented and defined its
objectives.
Ms Yako replied that the main issue was the quality of information and whether
it was in line with MLRF’s stated objectives.. She took full responsibility for
any lack of clarity, and stated that this clearly must be resolved. The
reporting was based on the strategic plan, which contained all of the
objectives.
Dr Nkem-Abonta asked if the objectives were couched in such a way that they
could be measured, and whether MLRF had an information gathering system in
place to report on its performance measures.
Dr Mayekiso replied that the objectives were measurable but that no information
gathering system existed.
Dr Nkem-Abonta argued that no assessment could be made under those
circumstances, and that the next report would arguably then have the same
deficiencies.
Dr Mayekiso clarified his statement, as there appeared to be a
misunderstanding. DENT did have a performance measuring system. However, MLRF
did not have financial and procurement systems, which were necessary in order
to measure some of the MLRF activities.
The Chairperson said that there was a need to review the way in which MLRF was
structured, and its role within DENT. It was staffed with personnel from DENT
and DENT’s policies were simply applied to the fund without much consideration.
MLRF had really struggled to stand on its own feet. MLRF’s future success would
hinge on the implementation of many important programmes in April 2007.
National Treasury: Quarterly Presentation
Mr Freeman Nomvalo (Accountant-General: National Treasury) reported that
National Treasury had undertaken an overview of the Auditor General’s 2004/05
report. There had been 30 unqualified and six qualified reports from the 36
Departments. The qualified reports related to Central Government and to the
Justices and Protection Services Cluster.
On closer analysis of the qualifications in the Justices and Protection
Services Cluster report, the Department of Correctional Services had eight
major issues, of which five involved asset management. In Central Government,
most of the major issues arose from the Department of Home Affairs, where the
analysis was hampered by the fact that there was not enough documentation to
complete the audit.
National Treasury also indicated that the Auditor General had highlighted
certain points of emphasis, and had indicated the extent to which Departments
were responding to issues. The reports showed that 31% of the major problems
arose in asset management, 20% were in income and expenditure, 13% were in
information systems and 6% were in internal auditing. Nineteen matters of
emphasis were found in Parliament, the Presidency and the Department of Foreign
Affairs both had eleven issues; and the Department of Provincial and Local
Government had seven.
In the Financial and Administrative Services Cluster, Statistics South Africa
had 14 matters of emphasis and the South African Management Development
Institute had ten matters. In the Social Services Cluster, the Department of
Labour had nine matters of emphasis;the Department of Education and Social
Development had eight; and the Department of Arts and Culture had seven. In the
Justices and Protection Services Cluster, the Department of Defence had 68
matters of emphasis (44 of these in asset management), the Department of Safety
and Security had 20 and the Department of Correctional Services had 16 matters.
In the Economic Services and Infrastructure cluster, the Department of Minerals
and Energy had 21 matters and the Department of Housing had nine.
Among the provinces, 34.52% of the issues raised in the qualifications related
to asset management, 20.97% to accounts receivable and revenue and 15.48%
related to transfer payments (including the Division of Revenue Act).
Mr Nomvalo cited the main challenges National Treasury faced as a lack of
appropriate skills and knowledge; capacity and resource constraints; poor
communication; lack of support by management and auditing committees (ACs),
ineffective Acs, and ensuring accountability by accounting officers through
oversight.
Some lessons had, however, been
learned. Legislative and institutional frameworks were essential but were
inadequate on their own. They had to be supported with effective oversight and
enforcement. There was a need to link financial management to performance
management as well as to ensure that there was a better understanding of audit
reports. More oversight structures must be set up to prioritise interventions
and increase support to Departments by National Treasury.
Mr Nols Du Plessis (Chief Director,Specialist Functions: National Treasury)
added that Treasury had reacted to these challenges by setting up an internal
audit framework to help increase capacity building. It would also establish a
Chief Audit Executive Forum to market awareness of internal audits. It would
adopt a cluster approach to internal auditing to get the Departments to plan
together. A Public Sector Audit Committee Forum would be established.
For risk management (RM) and fraud prevention, a risk management framework
would be set up to give guidance. 211 RM personnel would be skilled with
fundamental knowledge. A RM forum would be established to encourage peer
learning and a RM Solution would be set up to develop risk registers in
provincial and national departments. An internal control framework would be
developed to assess the status of internal controls in departments.
For asset management, a framework would be developed to increase and improve
service delivery. It was also important to develop asset registers and Treasury
was assisting those departments that did not yet have the registers in place.
Practical learner’s guides and awareness workshops would also operate. Asset
management support units and forums would be established, as well as asset
management policy and procedure checklists. Case study material would be
developed to foster skills development.
National Treasury aimed to help departments with their annual reports and
financial statements, by drawing up guides and practice notes on materiality
and significance. To improve supply chain management (SCM), a policy strategy
to guide procurement reform was being developed. There would also be practice
notes and guides for accounting officers. Free courses would be run for
building the capacity of 1677 SCM personnel and a SCM forum would be set up. In
future there would be monitoring of contracts in excess of R100 000. For
transversal systems, steps were being undertaken to address control weaknesses
and there was a project under way to address anomalies.
Mr Du Plessis added that Treasury was in the process of developing a manual
giving consolidated guidance for the formulation of performance information for
all spheres of Government. This would follow up Cabinet’s decision in December
2004 to develop mechanisms aimed at ensuring that audits adequately indicated
whether expenditure succeeded in delivering on Government’s policies and
priorities. Large-scale training interventions would be set up, supported by
the establishment of a dedicated unit to provide ongoing assistance and
feedback to institutions.
A Cabinet Memorandum in January 2006, on audit outcomes for 2004/05, noted
transgressions in the non-tabling of annual reports and financial statements.
Accounting officers were to submit corrective actions to their executive
authorities and these authorities had to implement procedures to monitor
progress in addressing audit concerns. The A-G also had to provide analysis of
trends, problems and solutions as a result of the audits.
Some of Treasury’s capacity building initiatives included the South African
Management Development Institute (SAMDI) Financial Management Training
Strategy. SAMDI would enter into partnerships with training providers; oversee
the development of training material; oversee the presentation of courses and
provide post-training support. Treasury would provide human resource support
and financial assistance over the MTEF period 2005/06 – 2007/08. Five training
providers would be appointed and courses would be packaged into structured
programmes.
Mr Nomvalo concluded that significant
progress had already been made, but focus was needed in empowering oversight
structures to ask relevant questions and critique Treasury. There had to be
increased capacity building and skills development across government, along
with increased support to Departments. National Treasury had taken a decision
that this would be the final year where they would give such guidance during
the financial year. From 2007/08, templates would be given out at the beginning
of the financial year. The annual reporting cycle had to be shortened and there
must be focus on asset management to ensure a smooth transition to a
comprehensive reporting basis. Finally, there should be strong and effective
enforcement of legislation.
The Chairperson commented that in the future it would be preferable for the
Committee to have first received sight of the Auditor-General’s Report, so that
the Committee was better guided when considering the Departmental reports. The
focus areas would then have been clearly highlighted by the A-G’s report.
Mr Fakie said that the earliest date would be the end of October, but that he
could prepare, for the Committee, a rough analysis on the reports received in
September, with a more detailed one in November.
Mr V Trent (DA) commented that if the AG raised an issue in an audit it was
arguably ‘material.’ He asked how the Committee could, without the A-G’s
guidance, decide whether a was material.
Mr Fakie said that it was important to go beyond pure financial evaluations and
management and ask Departments to focus also on their overall objectives and
service delivery. The sooner these ideals were made part of reporting
frameworks the better.
Mr Nomvalo agreed that this was critical. Treasury was uncomfortable that the
framework for performance reporting had not been completed yet; it should be
completed in September. In response to Mr Trent, he agreed that if the A-G did
raise an issue it was material. However, that issue had to be looked at in
conjunction with other issues to improve service delivery.
The meeting was adjourned.
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