Social Assistance Act Draft Regulations: Department briefing
Social Development
02 August 2006
Meeting Summary
A summary of this committee meeting is not yet available.
Meeting report
SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT PORTFOLIO COMMITTEE
02 August 2006
SOCIAL ASSISTANCE ACT DRAFT REGULATIONS: DEPARTMENT BRIEFING
Chairperson: Ms TS Tshivhase (ANC)
Documents handed out:
Regulations to Social Assistance Act, 2004 (PowerPoint Presentation): Part1 & Part2
Draft Regulations of the Social
Assistance Act, 2004.[Gazette No: 28976]
SUMMARY
The Department of Social Development briefed the Committee on the draft
regulations to the Social Assistance Act, 2004. Members were generally
concerned about the ability of the Act to assist children in foster care as
well as children with disabilities. Some Members were of the opinion that the
Act did not take into full consideration the interests of children living under
the guidance of foster parents especially after the death of foster parents.
Members also raised questions on the conditions at grant pay-points. The
Department was unable to respond to some questions requesting further time to
engage fully with the concerns raised by the Committee. A follow up meeting was
agreed on.
MINUTES
Draft Regulations to the Social Assistance Act: briefing
Mr Selwyn Jehoma, Deputy Director-General (DSD), introduced his departmental
delegation as Ms Lulu Pemba, Director: Legal Services; Ms Dimakatso
Moetloatse-Pooe, Acting Chief Director: Policy; Mr Bathembu Futshane, Intern:
Legal Services; Ms Patricia Maloka, Acting Chief Operations Officer; Ms Nozipho
Buthelezi, Chief Director: Regulation and Oversight. He also introduced
colleagues from the SA Social Security Agency (SASSA) as Mr Andre Brink, Senior
Manager (Western Cape); Mr Zane Dangor, Chief Operations Officer, and Ms
Rihanna Allie, Senior Manager.
Ms Pemba presented the Draft Regulations indicating that public comments had
been incorporated in the regulations. She added that the meeting was solely to
brief the Committee on public comments and changes where applicable and not to
introduce any major policy issues. Ms Pemba informed the Committee that the
regulations were aimed at regulating and giving effect to the Social Assistance
Act, 2004 which came into operation on 1 April 2006. Chapter 4 of the Act
dealing with the Inspectorate was not yet operational. The regulations covered
the requirements for eligibility and determination of amounts of grants that
included the Older Persons Grant, Disability Grant, Child Support Grant, Foster
Child Grant, Care Dependency Grant, War Veterans Grant, Grant-In-Aid and the
Social Relief of Distress Grant. Other chapters dealt with application for
social assistance, appeals, determination of income thresholds, payment of
grants, conditions applicable to a person in receipt of a grant, review of
grants, application for unclaimed benefits, abuse of social assistance received
by a beneficiary, appointment of a person to receive a grant after the death of
a parent, general responsibilities, standard rules and procedures applicable at
pay-points and offences, penalties, repeal of registration of short title and
date of commencement.
Chapters 12 and 13 were new chapters that resulted from engagements within the
Department and during public hearings.
Discussion
Ms H Weber (DA) asked what form of training the staff from Social Development
Offices received and was there any reason for them not to have name badges? She
was concerned that there were problems of lack of service because people were
not clearly identified. Ms Weber was worried that children moved around in
search of safe shelters once their foster parents died. She said that while
they moved around, they struggled to benefit from the grants, as they had to
share their money with other children at the new facilities they found
accommodation in.
Mr Jehoma started off by acknowledging that it was difficult to respond to some
of the questions and an attempt to respond at a later stage would be made. He
indicated that the Department aimed to double the level of compliance to meet
the required standards. Regarding accessing foster care grants once parents
died, Mr Jehoma said that it was unfortunate that there were few people who
were keen on fostering children. However the Minister remained responsible for
children whose foster parents died until other types of fostering had been put
into place.
Advocate T Masutha (ANC) asked about the state of pay-points and the norms and
standards that governed the pay-points. He was worried that there were
difficulties in monitoring and controlling pay-points as the structures and
sites were not clearly defined. Advocate Masutha asked if there were any
omissions from the original Act.
Mr Jehoma said that the status and condition of pay points were a challenge
mainly because it was difficult to clearly define them as they varied according
to areas and circumstances. Another challenge was setting up formal structures,
as they would only be utilised on certain days in a month. There were financial
constraints in meeting that challenge.
Ms S Rajbally (Minority Front) referred to Regulation 23 on the payments of
grants, asking what caused grants to be reduced and lapse. She asked how the
Department intended to protect people at the pay-points considering the poor
conditions at some of them.
Mr Jehoma said that Regulation 31 gave the reasons for lapsing and reduction of
grants. Some of the reasons were death and consideration of time frames. The
Department found it difficult to create certain measures as boundaries in
pay-points could not be really defined. The issue was being given attention.
Ms H Bogopane-Zulu (ANC) asked if the Act took into consideration the latest
developments from legislation such as the Children’s Bill and the Older
Person’s Bill. She was concerned that the Act excluded children with
disabilities as it referred only to mental and physical challenges. That caused
problems in terms of such children accessing grants. Ms Zulu asked the
Department to clarify why the annual personal income of the foster parent was
not taken into consideration when administering grants. She further asked if
grants were accessible to non-South African children.
Ms Moetloatse-Pooe said that the draft regulations acknowledged new legislation
and the Act itself made reference to the Older Person’s Bill as well as the
Children’s Bill. It was however not possible to fully align with new
legislation. The Cabinet approved a new definition for disability in an attempt
to accommodate people with disabilities. However it still remained a challenge
to cater for chronic illnesses when administering grant applications and funds.
It was unfortunate that the issue of children with disabilities were not always
attended to with the same attention as those of adults with disabilities. The
grants were only accessible to South African citizens.
Advocate Masutha asked for clarity on the composition and proceedings of the
committee dealing with appeals. He also asked if there was a distinction
between the primary care giver and the guardian.
Mr Jehoma replied that the Minister had two options when dealing with appeals.
He could appoint an independent tribunal or could make his own decision when
necessary. Primary care giver and guardian according to the regulations did not
have the same meaning.
Ms Bogopane-Zulu posed a follow-up question on the need to consider the marital
status of foster parents. She further commented on the process of accrediting
people accompanying blind people to the pay-points. She was concerned that that
could be an extra burden as there already were problems with administering and
monitoring pensioners and beneficiaries of grants.
Due to time constraints, the Department could not answer some of the questions
in greater detail. It undertook to respond more fully at a later stage.
The meeting was adjourned.
Audio
No related
Documents
Present
- We don't have attendance info for this committee meeting
Download as PDF
You can download this page as a PDF using your browser's print functionality. Click on the "Print" button below and select the "PDF" option under destinations/printers.
See detailed instructions for your browser here.